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Better welcome the pod, save America, I'm drunk every dear viper on today, show President Biden grappled with criticism from Republicans like Donald Trump journalists, pundits and fellow Democrats over his decision to withdraw american forces

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Recommend listening to the latest positive the world on the subjects in Tommy and Ben did an outstanding job providing context perspective. History nuance takes that are hard to find on social media and cable news. As for us, you know, unlike many twitter users, Dan and I did not suddenly become a foreign policy experts shortly after the fall of Kabul, but we do have some experience in politics in media, so we're gonna spend most of this episode talking about how the events in Afghanistan are shaping domestic politics in media coverage. Here in the U S, that obviously starts with President Biden, who sat down with ABC George Definite Plus on Wednesday, four, First, one on one interview since the Taliban took over Afghanistan is a clip. Look. I don't think it was a faint look of a simple choice: George, when the when the Taliban Rebecca put another,

when you had the government of Afghanistan, the leader that govern getting a plane in taking off and go in another country. When you saw the significant collapse of the top of the afghan troops, we train of up to three hundred thousand of them just leaving their equipment and taking off that was on up. This is dead. That's what happened as simply what happened, but we ve lost the pictures of seeing those hundreds of people back into a sea seventeen we ve, seen Afghans flowers four days ago, five days ago. What did you think when you first saw those pictures? thought was work that we have to gain control this. We have to move this more quickly. we have to move in a way which we can take control that airport, and we did so. You don't think this. Have been handled. Decisive could have been handled better in any way, no mistakes. No, I

I don't think it could have been handled in a way that the we we're gonna go back, in hindsight? Look but the idea that somehow there is a way to have got not without chaos suing. I dont know how that happens. So for you that was always price into the decision. Yes, so the president also said that you s, troops will now stay in Afghanistan until every American wants to leave can leave, even if that means extending the mission beyond his August thirty first withdrawal deadline and that he also wants to help evacuate between what he said is fifty and sixty five thousand Afghans, as you heard that clipboard Biden didn't do as admit any mistakes, it seems like the message from the from binds Monday speech and this interview is. You know that bans. Quick success may have surprised us, but I stand by my decision to withdraw when we did leaving more troops there after twenty years of fighting only would have led to more Americans dying in another country's unwinnable. Civil war, and now we're focused on getting

citizens and our allies out safely. What do you think about that message? In the context of the hand that binds been dealt here, I think my as is often the case. I consumed this clip from this interview on Twitter for Striped, with people telling you what it says and its I actually think it was insured binds answer, is more complicated and complex to nuanced. Perhaps not clear as it should be as some of that twitter short hands of at work, he did not admit mistakes, but he also didn't say we did make any mistakes. He sort of kind of half said Well in hindsight, but now we're moving forward and he did in when George. Pushed him. I'm that you don't just the horrified pictures it. Everyone saw He said what I was four days ago. Clearly implying we haven't, prove the situation in a dry, an address it I

we take a step back from. I think this is important, because this answer in the ultimate example of actually see it weighs. You know has been treated as trompe and never admit mistakes. That's not exactly what happened here is more complex. I think, in fairness, not super clear behind of theirs of eleven, completely message there in general, or to take a step back But he is try. I think what binds is saying is gonna, be quite compelling to the majority of Americans, which is we have a choice here, and it is a choice. It is twenty years in the making they. There are no good options, but if the choices between continuing to put more Americans in harm's way, for the purpose of forestalling with Biden Believes- and I think the last few days suggest is in nearly inevitable outcome- is not something he is going to do in there.

For all of this, put aside, like the very real execution errors in terms of getting people out that others more schooled in these things could speak about Tommy events, but rather an excellent episode. But the broader point here is what is happening is evidence of why we have to Like you, we ve gotten us further. We have got down and more humanitarian friendly way absolutely, but the die is cast here. That's the argument he's making. That is correct. I think that the press is now in a situation where their belief is if he doesn't take responsibility or admit mistakes with regard to the execution errors, they're, not gonna. Let him off the hook right leg. one of those things that year we ve seen this happen before like if your president and and everyone has come too agreement that you did something wrong unless you own up to it, you're still to be in the barrel, and I do mean now my view on this. Is it's just too soon to tell right like if you, if you don't,

leave if you're someone who doesn't believe the Taliban could have been defeated right if you do believe they could have been defeated with you know, after twenty years a couple trillion dollars thousands of U S true, oops. Please explain why I haven't heard any compelling explanation. If you don't think they could have been defeated, then I think I think Biden. The bite administration deserve to be judged on whether we can evacuate every American the afghan allies safely. We don't know that yet clearly they didn't get that done before the collapse of Kabul. That's clear but they're trying now and whether they succeed remains to be seen. You know we ve heard as of this recording. There have been we heard this morning from the administration for the military that there have been twelve thousand evacuated since July, seven thousand since Saturday. The military has an experience, any security incidents at the airport. Yet, of course, there are also reports that, outside of the airport-

Taliban is making it very hard for Afghans to get to the airport in the first place. So I think this all remains to be seen, but the press is definitely in the current mindset of you: don't apologize and take responsibility, for what we believe is a horrible mistake, then your script, that I think is there, is a paradox of asthma. king in the sense that I think the average American will find this compelling. But will further inflame the media, who are telling the story to the average American. and there is a trend in Washington, where, when or, as you said in the barrel, which is in a bomb a term for when you are at the centre of a media fire store where the media Republicans and some Democrat are all coming out you for the same thing, for something and in those situations. Third, the tradition. As you have to do, one of two, and sometimes both of these things to get out you have to fire someone. Some heads must raw right, there's a bloodless russian. It you have to eat ceremonial shit on national television. We have it.

On a press conference, just let beat the shit out of you or you have to give us give an interview with well known, respected, tough interviewer, a long time ago that would be at some like a timorous or who just gonna kick the crap out a year when you're gonna meet your flaws. Wash you take it had it from the dark and move on now Trump did not do that ever like. I was not his thick by imposing will have more that worked for a while he's, also currently living in more or log out, and not the White House. So maybe didn't work for him. We don't know, but this is that sometimes we present Ababa, sometimes gets his back up because he doesn't think he's raw and therefore does it each year in the beginning and then eventually Hasdrubal see others by that, and I think what happens on the ground will make a big difference. Do

we now is there more stability? Are Americans getting out our allies getting out of searching the circumstances, and then this will end up being yet another in a long history from a political perspective, not the very real national security humanitarian issues ever from put respective one of these August fire storms that doesn't make it to labour day. I wonder what you think about the criticism that Biden has not expressed more empathy for the afghan people. We ve seen this from some reporters and pundits. Tommy and Ban also talked about this on on pods the world and look, I hate to be the kind of pundit that is like the president must impose on demand, and then things will be better because it seems like its adopted than optics thing. But I am actually genuinely curious why President Biden

is not speaking more about sort of the situation that the dire situation that a lot of our afghan afghan allies are in as we're trying to get them out of the country, because I dont know what you lose by talking about that now I am, I am equally mystified by I like it is like- is one of the most apathetic people they neither has ever met, and so did I, for. I am curious that may be those who may allow the message about this in the committee's, maybe we'll see more than its, not just our allies rides the people of Afghanistan. and broadly it's every woman and girl and Afghanistan who is now living under the rule the Taliban throw you can be frustrated with the corruption of the afghan government. You can be frustrated with the crushing of the afghan military leaders, who you don't cut these ideals with the Taliban and believe that it is

not in America's interest to send our troops to fight and die in the middle of a civil war. and still be heartbroken about what's going to happen to the people there, but you can do those things, and I hope you seem what we see more of that. I dont think I do I believe that some sort of like political calculation, that just Knight who job isn't it maybe he's under pressure. Responding to all the criticism about security and original decision, and maybe he's all these defensive about it are pushing back. But I do hope we see

empathy just because that is authentic to him. Yeah, I think he's. What he's trying to say here is human rights are critical, but that military intervention isn't the way to uphold human rights around the world and any basically says that at a later point in the stuff Annapolis Interview, and that, I think, is a valid point- an important lesson to take away from Afghanistan. But I did you probably could spend a little more time on why human rights are so important and how much you care about them right. Ifor, saying yes, there's a way to uphold human rights through diplomatic, economic pressure, etc, etc. But military intervention is not one of them because has now failed. Every time we ve tried, it may be that you can go around the world and find dozens of places on any day where the? U S, could go in and help people by inviting To this end, the interview he takes about his I'd look at what is happening with the wiggers look with TAT ye keep. Him mentions a few places in the world where

You know, human rights are being violated and we're not intervening military base in every way. ass, to make a decision about whether that is an american interests to do so right and so that that is the choice, and I think it is we'll get it we'll get you away, but I imagine will be a quite passionate conversation that some of the press coverage of this later in the spike asked by what ought leg all this of these reports, using Biden, cold calculation that America, will care more about american citizens in american soldiers and afghan citizens that isn't like that treatises. If Biden invented the dear that you make decisions based on american interests and about what are willing to put american lives at risk for like that is foreign policy military decision in the history of country in the history of the world, frankly rely That calculus also ignores the fact that the Bush administration is trying very hard right now to evacuate Afghans.

the country. Yes, you can blame them for not having done it earlier. They should have they that there was a. There was obviously poor planning. Or at least at the very least, the Taliban success. Surprise them caught them unaware which they have admitted and they could have evacuated more people before, but there certainly trying So it's not obviously not a cold political calculation right now, they're trying to evacuate, Afghans and bring them to United States and other countries. If there if I was, if you were to go back and try to find some things, could it be that not from a execute should military strategy standpoint, but from a message standpoint that I think help compound the political problem here was That, even though bind who has been crystal clear for a decade in his view that we cannot solve the problems of Afghanistan, everyone, Democratic Congress, the by the administration, the press, everyone ourselves was overly triumphal with the decision to withdraw.

right. Isn't he didn't declare mission accomplished really, but I've seen this is big poor thing without properly setting expectations, because what is happening with TAT control was going to happen now. Three months from now, six months from now a year from now, and that's what all the intelligent said. That was what all of the trends in the country suggested and sort of setting the stage in preparing people for what was going to happen. I think would have possibly removed at least some of the shock, How are you Instead in July it's it's not gonna, be a chaotic exit and it was the very simply everyone can understand he was he was. He was incorrect and you know about that. for sure, let's talk about Americans feel, but all this, the short answer is confused with the huge cuts

yeah that poles taken in the middle of a rapidly changing news event are even more unreliable than usual. Here's a summary of what the data is telling us so far, more american still support by the decision to withdraw its troops from Afghanistan that oppose it, but that support has dropped since last month, especially among independence and Republicans people Don't think Biden has handled Afghanistan in the last several weeks, particularly well, no surprise there Average approval rating is forty nine point, eight percent, which is the lowest of his presidency, though there is plenty of evidence. numbers started dropping well before the Talibans victory, but just to give you a sense of how confused people are to put it charitably, Reuters, Ipsos Paul found that Americans support sending combat troops back into Afghanistan right now by fifty two thirty six percent the same Paul also found that american support completing the withdrawal of all troops from Afghanistan by sixty one to twenty four percent. Sixty eight

that of Americans, agree that the war in Afghanistan was going to end badly, no matter what, when the? U S left in sixty three percent agreed that the rapid collapse of the afghan government shows why it was right for the? U S to leave, but by fifty one to thirty two percent. Americans think it would have been worth it to leave troops there for another year, Jesus Christ. What what do you mean of all this carefully thought through public sentiment. Ives ever since you set me this poor lass yes afternoon, I've been trying to find a way to put this into a coherent narrative I actually think that when you, it seems super conflicting face. I do think there is some coherence which is we need to get out. We need to get out better. It may take sending some troops temporarily to give the people we need to get out safely, and so that is ok. As is the way it actually would actually with cells means that people pretty agree with what Biden is doing and also are surprised

is frustrated, shocked and disappointed by how quickly the afghan government that we have been supporting and after mills Herbert sporting for two decades fell, and so there is Why is this is incredibly complex issue with a seat with a very with twenty years of history and mistakes ad thousand years. You have forty years fifty years of Afghanistan, U S, intervention, all of that coming together and it sort of it. Make a little bit of sense of sense that people can have some of the fourteen motions. The other part of it is this is an indictment of the whole effort. As we have trot. We America dating as to the day we invaded, we took our eye off the ball and invaded Iraq is have tried to do this war on the cheap. we want to do this, but we do want to have a lot of people that we want to spend some money, but not tunnel money. We want people and our

there are people who have to pay attention to it unless you are someone who, as a family member who was over there, and so people had to doubt of this war for all our time in many cases, since the day Bin Laden was killed and Thou sentence on the news again like how do we get here? So the fact that people are there's a little bit destabilizing sense that we're back talking about this. It is the news is: twenty years later in September, two thousand and one again and ask last year. That is, do you know, I think, disorienting to people you eating the crude summary of how people view this. According to all this data is were sick of war. We want Europe's home, but we don't like images of chaos and destruction and violence so fix it. You're the president fix it, but do it majuba cheaply and of others when it right? That's. Does that sort of public opinion on this, and so no no one like seeing the U S

lose a war, no one like seeing violence and one like seeing the images that we seen over the last few days, but they also feel like they don't want to commit troops to this war. Cuz I'd rather not be involved in a war. So like that, that's the best public opinion is right. Now is the long term political impact of what's happening. This week was happening Afghanistan dictated entirely by factors like how well this evacuation goes or is there anything else that Biden and the White House can do or say to sort of mitigate the political damage, their absence, some extraordinary circumstances where there was a terrorist attack in America that was related to this or Yes, we are. We end up in a situation where Americans are losing their lives in Afghanistan, amongst citizens who did not get out I do not believe Afghanistan is going to be front of mind for the american public vertically warrant. Just it's out of things. lay positive things to say about the american public by we tunisia- and we do now

securely on foreign policy issues that we feel are pretty disconnected from our immediate lives. unless you are one of the people who serve their? Who knows People there you are disconnected from- and I will just say this forget about foreign policy issues- the attention span. And of the average american voter on any issue is as small, was its ever been right like there was a violent insurrection against Congress, but to try to you know prevents the president from taking office. There was an attempted coup Everyone's dislike can Donald Trump still be. The republican Amity and president may be in in twenty. Twenty people saw their neighbours and families dying of a deadly disease. We I'll have a vaccine for it. People are dying again and it opens people not taken the vaccine, like memories are so short now read, so it's like that. I think beckoned back in the day

we're in the Obama way. Has you could say? Oh yeah, well, there's a difference between like people's memories, attention span on domestic political issues versus foreign, policy. Now I don't even know. If there's much of a difference, I mean it's like that I don't know if this is. I want to say this is a good thing. that everyone's gonna forget about this, because it is very poor. Double that we leave behind a lot of afghan allies who wanted to leave Afghanistan. We that is better the very possible outcome here, but I dont know that America that american voters can sort of like keep these crises and these issues in their head for a very long time- and there is a tendency in political pundit, train announced- Mr Silo these things like. How do you fixed your afghan political problem as I, what we're gonna do a press conference and we should go visit some troops and maybe we'll be some afghan refugees to gum, invited the White House from about any All of that does matter about what the way to think about these things in terms of political risk is

do they contribute to a damaging political narrative. As this one data point does is under mine. The notion that America, blasted by it is a strong and competently, because that is what he won. The election was competent. And he has demonstrated that throughout this presidency, that is what has kept his approval ratings up the entire time It is impossible to know whether this is going to impact that in the long run, what what I think will actually be determined that I'll be what happens in the next month in Congress Requisite, To the extent we ve seen some diminution in binds approval writing its among Democrats. way and if by follows up a not a difficult situation in Afghanistan and wine in of the sort of is treated as clinical bungle than off the headlines, and you can we can fight over how bungled or not. I know that is with failing to get here's to build out of Congress with a debt ceiling battle with someone

like there's a whole bunch of things. It can come together to create this narrative. That undermines the strength that we should be clear. Democrat ten zero fucking margin of error right. Fifty Biden has been up and told her this last period here averaging about between fifty one. Fifty two. already, that is his love, is Pekin, possibly go in. I told the house may even on its own, not behind so the idea that anything is warranted. Bring him down. She is deeply concerning an existential threat to the entire enterprise for twenty two? I am, of the view that passing his legislative agenda in Congress, is necessary, but not sufficient, like. I think that his strongest political position will be if the pandemic is under control. The economy is in good shape and the world is

I generally relative, if it were the world, is quite relatively. I think, if those, if those three things are set up yet still doesn't guarantee a winds at all, but it puts him in that puts him and probably the strongest political position. My view of that, I think this is a longer full pod conversation maybe on the counter. Your turns is all of those things are necessary, but not sufficient, but it's not stability and com. This is the twenty million or so democratic voters who got engaged in the process of sixteen, recognising that this is an election with the highest possible stakes and that they are deeply worried that we can quickly fall right back to where we were just a urea like that in Europe we need those

absolutely need all of those voters, but, as we know from twenty twenty and other elections, there is also a ton of voters who aren't paying too much attention to the news. Don't pay too much central politics are just like tune in a couple weeks before election then go vote and for those people it's gonna, be the conditions in their lives more than all, the Mcintosh what's going on in Washington. I think but you're right, that we need all the people involved and twenty as well, that we don't have that where Bert loosen for sure. So this brings me to what are what binds dealing with in terms of other demo Rats in some Democrats in Congress are not only criticising by none Afghanistan. At least three democratic, led Senate committees say they hold hearings about the withdrawal. What you think about that sort of torn out, so I like we do not white Democrats in Congress. to be like Republicans, Congress right, you just put aside Oliver constitutional obligations to just be a bunch like republicans we're just a bunch of like

criminal conspiracy, s or apologists, or anything like that right, like that they should do oversight, were oversight should be done, but these hearings or performative right would ban. It is but that statement? I'm sure he has some dinner, he feels very seriously about the Senate in its upper Vigo. Brother also a way to get attention. It's a way to be able to spend more of a Sunday which, like tat, and they like Humans are good if there is some evidence that is the old way, bobbin it'll get an answer about what's happening, is by hauling Biden, administration officials before Congress in creating a forum for Republicans by politics on national tv and then, but you see now public message by doing performative, lashing of them if job opportunity. Bobbin indices, calls of Bobby Mendez can not get Lloyd, austrian or twenty blanket or Jake Sullivan. To talk to about what's happening, then, yes, you should actually hold you before, but this is theatre write it.

Just theatre than it is counter productive and doesn't it serves no one other than bananas? or the other. Demagogic just pick up, and it is because he was the one who's statement I found most annoying. Yet you can believe that oversight is right thing to do, but you should understand that we, sort of operate in reality here and the reality is that it's that politics is often a zero sum game, and if there are a bunch of Democrats holding hearings and Republicans obviously get to participate in those hearings and girl the by an administration about Afghanistan for weeks on end, it will keep it in the news and it will drag down Biden, approval ratings and likely the approval ratings of Democrats. In general and hurt the Democrats, chances of keeping the house keeping the Senate and ultimately, perhaps keeping the presidency. So that's just something to keep in mind unless he puts good, read its that's that's what will likely

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has decided to zero in on the refugee issue, hoping to open a new front in the culture wars by scaring me, into believing that brown foreigners are coming to terrorize their communities and, of course, down from himself hasn't been able to shut up about this over the last few days, let's take a lesson all of the years our country has ever been so humiliated at or no when you go to military defeat or a psychological defeat, never been anything like what's happened here, We will see many refugees for Afghanistan resettled in our country and coming months, probably in your neighborhood and over the next decade, that number may swell to the millions. so first we invade and then we're invaded it. extraordinarily expensive, to resettle refugees in the United States. They get free healthcare, they get free education, they get free housing, they get free food, they get cash welfare thanks to find they can tell more of Afghanistan than they did before. eleven, our borders wider open now than it was hampered.

Four? Nine? Eleven, if president refuses to do anything about it? Is it really our responsibility to welcome thousands of potentially unfettered refugees from Afghanistan? So there you have it let's start with Trump. How do you feel about Donald being out there on the attack, Donald Trump, who invited the Taliban to Camp David. cut a deal without the afghan government to withdraw. U S troops also a deal that freedom bunch of Taliban prison. One of whom is now president of Afghanistan and then put out statements after he left office and one job, I'm as president. criticising binding for not withdrawing troops even earlier than he did. That's. The trump was out there criticising Joe Biden now, He also in that, in our view, just decided a path, how a bit on the back for being good fighters got me kid, you just imagine what Fox NEWS would do of Joe Biden it on that

look it's! We are down job model of consistency. It strange that he is not being as consistent here, but I think that there is a I lit. This was a really interesting part of thee. Tommy bankruptcies are part of the world that I think Democrats and by the minute, we should talk about war, which is how Donald Trump mishandling of this tide, their hands and a lot of ways. There was a terrible deal. It was. He cut out the afghan government, said the contractors home released. Of Taliban prisoners and bind was forced, This was always going to be a shitty choice, always competitors but finds a belated his hands were tied by this and a lot of ways, and I think there are

That is a story that has not been told enough in our overly simplistic media narrative of this, and I think it also helps politically to remind Democrats of the role to be played in creating this situation. Will I think that in Germany has a great peace in slate about this, which is a lot of these trompe Republicans, including Trump himself, because they were all pro withdrawal and, in fact criticising Joe Biden for not withdrawing fast enough. They want to jump in on this. Joe Biden Pylon that's happening in the press and even among some Democrats, but they know that day were the Joe Biden basically did something that they wanted him to do, which was to withdraw completely from Afghanistan.

so their only option is here to start a cultural. Moreover, refugees, which is what they do best II, should Deadly read this Jim no peace and slate, but he talked about us even Miller. Kick this off with a few tweets, and he said Miller, whose morning routine sipping, coffee and scanning the United States overnight birth certificates to check how well the Caucasians kept up a great way to describe Stephen Miller. That's neither here nor there, but I do think it It's something to watch and its also because look, there is some reporting that the reason that divide administration was so slow to process a lot of these special immigrant visa applications is that they were concerned about the domestic political backlash over bringing afghan refugees to the United States, which I really hope, is untrue, because that I think, deserves a lot of criticism to be worried about that kind of the political situation there

and you know- one administration official told Politico- it's like they want the credit from liberals for ending the Trump cruelty to immigrants and refugees, but they also don't want the political backlash that comes from actual refugees arriving in American, any sort of large numbers. Now again, the by demonstration is currently trying to bring afghan refugees to the United States, or they are doing the right thing. Now, but I do wonder what how do you about how we think about the politics of the refugee issue and how this place in general, as we sit here today, the public broadly and in a bipartisan fashioned- supports increasing the number of special immigrant visas for our afghan allies. that is one moment in time, and we should recognise that there is nothing Republicans want more than in- opportunity to merge fears. immigration with fears about terrorism? you have actually doesn't sixteen. We always they'd always like she's, going to pay for the wall in Mexico, but really what was the real

Sort of consolidating powerful issue for tromp was the Muslim in right. Now That was about keeping the injustice slightly racist way possible verging those issues right keeping people they did. We went people come here that they will pose a threat to us that they will kill us and they showed great political power with their base at least demagogy people coming across the southern border, but where it has been the most powerful dating back to nine. Eleven is demagogy, Muslims and one of the things we know about refugee issues Is people politicians are often for them in the abstract, and then they did NIMBY Ism as soon as you actually have to put those refugees someplace where we saw this with awe We saw this in two thousand fourteen dealing with on accompany me. there's come across the southern borders when it came to put the places, even some demo governors did not want them in their states

and so what's gonna happen. We saw this. You know we does all this up. How Obama was unable to close but the reason he concludes KIT bow was because the Democrats, Congress with a gigantic majority past bills, every single year saying you could not close get by How do they do that because they did not want any other people from gizmo too can be in their state, either enough supermax prison or in the community adds that is. play itself out here, and I don't think we should be overly I think this is an issue, an issue that we can take on and win, but it is coming and it is going to come in the grossest most aggressive Fox news driven fashion. You can possibly imagine, and that's precisely why it's not an issue that you can avoid the Democrats or the vitamin stration can avoid. You can't just hang up here, because it is a divisive issue and the Republicans are going to start a culture war over

and its uncomfortable when it might be politically challenging. I'm just gonna try to ignore it and and and talk about some other message, because the Republicans and Fox NEWS and the right wing Media ecosystem is not gonna. Let you ignore it. I do think that it it once you make the decision to welcome afghan refugees. You ve got to defend that decision, because otherwise, the Republicans going to attack you for anyway, and you have to make. baskets that you can, and I don't I've gotta, think avoiding it helps now, and I think HU, the messenger as matters a lot here and one of the things that you a powerful over the last few days is hearing from veterans who worked with Deanna travellers who work with the afghan Oscar over this. You understand that country being absolutely heartbroken by what is happening to people they now in using those people like Jason Candor, had our old friend has been very sore eloquent about this and use it sorts of people to help make the case for what we who these acts-

who are allies, are and what we owe them. I think really will be much more effective than just a bunch of politicians making the case but in big become better earlier discussion terms of long term political effects. This is gonna, be part of the the case against Joe Biden from Trump and the mega wing of the party right. It's the southern border, its refugees, It's just gonna be Joe Biden, fucked up Afghanistan, and now we have a bunch of afghan refugees, Joe Biden, fucked up the border and now there's a lot of immigrants in the country. Look at the chaos around us, everything is broken. Everything is on fire, basically, the twenty sixteen message from Donald Trump just rip prize for for two thousand and twenty two and two thousand and twenty four I mean that's it. It's pretty easy figure out what the message is. Gonna, be that's gonna, be it. I mean the August that it when you think about the politics of this, the problem has been put in this chaos in carbon, its message against Biden from the very beginning with no success. They failed miserably processing. They fell misery up until now,

I don't know they have succeeded, but there is now Sunday they thin red to hang onto, and you a sense of how how powerful there make phone is, is it s all pull out this wording, which asked people who they blamed for the spread of of it and north of sixty percent of Republicans way, people come across the southern border, so you already see? Oh yeah, the big thing, it's all over Fox all the time and people believe that, even though it makes it's what you ask vice like removal him over the border in and they walked over to Florida. threats, which is impressive. America's a very raises the geography anyway. May you remember, I think we might even turbans us. We couldn't you doesn't fourteen when Tom Cotton, when running for nor could saw, went out there and push the Firstly, theory that ISIS was infecting undocumented people from across the border with a bull. right, so you know what I'm gonna get right. That's that's that bingo right. There you hit em all let's

it's. The last thing I want to mention before we leave this topic. The politics around Afghanistan are also being shaped by the media coverage and I'll divided into two categories. You ve got lot of journalists and Afghanistan, like CNN Clarice Award, who are risking their lives to tell important stories and show how wrenching images of Afghans train wave and then you ve got a lot of ostensibly neutral political reporters and pundits who ve been openly criticising and blaming binds decision to withdraw its troops from the New York Times. Call a quote: humiliating final act and Afghanistan, political called it a cataclysmic event that marked quote the most devastating period of buttons presidency and actually has just called it quote.

Siding stain media reporter Margaret Sullivan of the Washington Post, took issue with the coverage in a piece titled. The afghan debacle lasted two decades. The media spent two hours deciding whom to blame. She went on to write if ever a big breaking stories, Amanda that the news media provide historical context and carefully avoid partisan blame. It's the story of the fall of Afghanistan to the Taliban. Instead, we got winners and losers coverage that tends to elevate and amplify punditry over news and to assign long lasting political ramifications to a still developing situation. So I usually expect this kind of behaviour from the political press, but even I was surprised by her little objectivity that many of them have shown. Why do you think so many Porters and pundits have covered the withdrawal. This way I It is a combination of it,

of biases. Anything with the biggest mistake we all make is using the term the neutral press right there is no. Journalism is a endeavour conducted by heats all journals megabytes. Some it is a political, buy us. Some of it is a financial via some of its cultural by us, but there was a box and the issue you here until the moment where Mark Zuckerberg finishes project. ending journalism and just puts a high in charge of news it's gonna be done by humans. Ass humans, we bought will be biased. Could you can eliminate by issues, have to be more transparent about it? I think, there's a couple of inner place here that are happening. One is in there I just want to understandable and perhaps even admirable is there are some journalists who have spent their careers in Afghanistan? They know that they know the afghan people, they know Did they interpreters and translators worked for them, over the years and are now there.

the other messaging with them, and they are stuck outside the airport and they are some help, save their lives. Yes, are passionate about those people, a you know what they should be like. Maybe we need more of that right. Like Richard Angle, had a sort of a moment that went viral when he he acts reacted very negative it by speech. It was pretty. We are, even though he is egoism legendary warp. But in that moment it was clear what his biased right, and so that is driving, and you see that with a lot of the people who work there, that's one vice. A second bias is that, for since the days of gate. The media treats accountability. the rays on death row of being a journalist. Your entire job is to keep whole pallisers accountable, and this is not to say them. The media should know about just how we need more of that. We need better investigative reports. We need more. He knows accountability, Muslim, all up and down local news everywhere, but with them If the only purpose a whole people accountable, what you do,

stretching situations like this in a complex nuances. You blame instead of explained yeah because, like no, I totally grew that and if you ask a lot of journalists what their job as they will happily say and proudly say, the whole people in power accountable, when I would argue that their job is to report stories if that reporting leads to people in power being held accountable great, but that should be a by product of just reporting, the story as it is and explaining, like you said, in explaining to people what actually going on in providing context, historical context, other context for by providing a sense of proportion. How important one story is verses another like that's the job of journalism. If that happens, hold people in power accountable great, but if you go into a with that, is that your first goal? You're gonna have this kind of stuff it's. It's is so much that when, as recline and other started vocs they had to they call them self explanatory journals, and that should be an oxymoron right. The whole point is too:

sway the people? What is happening in, as you say, like dirt, should be actual like we should be investigating amateurs reno. Have reason to believe that approach. There is corruption or president's lying. adequate resources to get it in one of the one of the flip side building journalism problem. Is it this what led so many people progressive like tat, Maggie Abrams acquired you holding Europe more accountable in really like it. It's pretty. False impression among No, no you're rang like that. The job of journalists is to bring down president's because they saw the movie once with Robert Redford So often that said, that was the job and it's not It happens sometimes, but it's not the job in. So I think that we're seeing that here and then you add one more copies. The context of this, which is this, is the You know it's Morrison, one point our peace, the incredible complex story. It is a story of twenty years of Miss eggs. Ah, and decisions that were made by for residents in that period of

and so it over. operating in a world of cable news and twitter in the internet. What you're, just not mediums designed to tell complex want stories. You need something that fits into its one and eighty character. So it's Biden bungled. This not history of american military hubris or the mist, Populations in the postal market are all these things that are all part of this. You asked to be crucial to blame. and how do we called for an economy as opposed to telling the actual starting this reality tell that story in thirty seconds, soundbites into energy charter tweets living there, the two other reasons one is. There has been a long addition among some in the political press corps to furtive take the view that talked about earlier that military intervention can somehow help uphold human rights around the world wherever their friend, and we saw this in the run up to the Iraq war right. We seen it multiple times, we ve seen it with Syria and in the above administration right like thee.

there. There are elements of the political press corps, especially those who covered the Pentagon and who talk too general. And military leaders who sort of have a bias towards military intervention as a potentially good thing that can help hold human rights and nation building. All the other stuff like that is a biased than many report. Not all but many reporters will report on the stuff tend to have Eric love. It's wrote a fantastic peace New York magazine that you shall read about this. He wrote it recent days. Much the mainstream media has comported itself as the Pentagon's Pravda. He said if news coverage is, if news coverage focuses exhaustively on the shortcomings of by withdrawal while largely ignoring what our client states abrupt collapse, tells us about our two decade. Long occupation than the lesson of couples fall could be quite favourable for beltway. Hawk president shouldn't and wars in defiance of the military brass, unless they wish to become unpopular, and it's a good point, because the

phrase. You know overruling their generals or overruling that the military is always see, as bad. Even though the job of a civilian commander is to make the final decision on their own- That's why we have civilian command of the military right. It's the presence, jobs and listened. Their military advisers to listen to the generals and then make a decision based on what they believe in the best interests of the United States, and I think that in some cases we progress, anti tromp progressives fell into trap and during the Trump years was because tromp was overruling generals, overruling the intelligence gazes then. siding with them, perhaps less critically, then we should have more uncritically than we should add, Every other Jim Shouto CNN, whose good guy maybe create a twitter sent the sweet about, how that, where did they get richer? I guess the term as they talked about. You know how slowly mermaid you some pretty old

ratio, I guess the. I guess the kids are calling it a ratio. These days, What do you know how those other sort issued on Tik Tok, so I'm familiar with this old? Firstly, a media that you're so you're, so into buddies we talked about how yours, too, often them the Miller is forced to execute on poor decisions made by civilians. But that's the whole point of this system, as all decisions are made by civil rights, because they are the ones held accountable by the public and the, and I I do think that, like the point you make about, there is a pro military action, pro war so damn it among the Washington Dc Prescott right, like one you balmy, whereas you senator it's. Why are you doing this right? That its approach is for military action and it's not as if it's point in a very recent fucking history: that's all that's how I didn't get us into a disaster as war that contributed

exactly what has happened in Kabul over the weekend, speaking of which Why did I turn on CNN and see one of the architects of that war? John Bull, being interviewed about whether Biden should have left Afghanistan. Organised John Bolton. RO? As on tv, we got the whole Bush gang coming back that got us into the credits in two and we're gonna like here what they have to say about this. I just I don't it's crazy. It's and the Durban, you haven't seen a lot of anti war or hurt as I wore voices people who were against like an indefinite occupation of can't stand being interviewed about why about they think about the withdrawal of aid. A lot of times you get more sort of pre, war. Instinctively pro war, paramilitary voices net. That is that has been a as a long Washington tradition that sadly continues

spent everything that is happening. There's one thing this one here last: what years have taught us that eleven is the folly of that approach, and yet we still are doomed to repeat it over and over again yet- and I do think you know too, to end this whole conversation like again it is. It is completely. Fine, and I think important too, like hold the Biden Administration accountable for errors that it makes. But if we're going to treat so they ve the tactical errors in withdrawing from Afghanistan and as the most important, or only story after a two decade, long war, then by is insufficient because there are many a broader lessons that we, should be learning from what happened in Afghanistan over the last two decades. in those lessons go beyond what happened. A week ago, right leg reaches a multiple president's,

trillions of dollars, malt thousands of Americans in combat, like let's try to step back and take some broader lessons from this before we just focus or we just focus on who is to blame right now, because we both can't think ahead too far or behind too far up with this like present to that were always have to be in the moment in talking about who is to blame right now when their approval larger lessons to learn about the Oh you of military intervention. I mean those lessons are complicated involves doing. History requires having a knowledge going back, spurs acknowledge what decisions made that go back. Nineteen years, like all across the board, like we are obsessing with what I think are very real tactical errors made by administration with the facts. Then on the larger, should choose your question. He appears to be right- and I think what is happens when you put it like- I don't-

diminish in any way shape or form the logistical and tactical errors that happening. Evacuation right for everything that has happened proves Joe Biden Correct. I think that one of the few all of the military and the government. Everything happened shows that is, he said in speech, another year down another thousand euros. Another five years is going to change the Elk and at some point some president has to make the decision to bring people home and he did at which, by the way, sixty three percent of the american people agree with right from pull that the rapid collapse of the afghan government shows why it was right for the: U S, leave, and that was the pole taken. You know a day or two ago: ok, when we come back I'll talk to a surgeon, General VIC Murphy about the administrations plan to offer comin eighteen booster shots in September? Patsy America's

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two highly em you no compromise persons and nursing home residents, but not to the general public. Can you talk about how you all decided that it makes sense for a young healthy twenty year old, whose eight months passed their vaccination to get a boost. Shot. Absolutely JAMA is related. Questions are, let's talk. Do this, all that will be Nobody, vaccines in General John, is that protection does tend to win over it. And that's one of the reasons we are looking at the data really closely to see if they were more breakthrough. Infections is time and what we saw in the in the recent data, including data, be like it just in recent days. Was it It does appear to be a trend to reduce protection overtime hours. Isn't that what kind of protection, because the breakthrough that where's, seeing where more and mild and moderate cases that was it. You know that I was concerned as the Good NEWS is that you still had a high degree of protection against hospitalization, severe disease and death.

which is the most important job in an accident. To save your life, you gotta hospital right, so that seem to be selected a high level and as we, get the overall trend and, as we thought about, our own clinical experience and experience, nine illnesses and epidemics are feeling with that that defining trend will continue. I would likely led to an erosion and protection against severe disease hospitalization in that We wanted to be ahead of the curve and If you wait until that data shows up your ass she too late, there has been a time you get, the data is usually a few weeks after things have happened, is always a bit of a lack of data. In any case timed Asher, reacted out and get people to come in and take their boost. Russia Another time you ve lost a lot of valuable time, which translates the lives so big.

We knew that this was an important decision would have been implications. We pull together the top medical and about helping experts throughout the department helping him in services. Everyone from the FDA, commissioner, doktor agenda would cause doktor. Tony foul cheated Frances Collins. I do tat you David Kastler, at Rachel Levine that CDC director Doktor Rachel. We shall then see myself and others, and we looked at the data, discusses in great detail and came to the conclusion that we needed to be ahead of the curve, and this was a way to do. It is offering boost shots to the general population and, finally, why the twenty year old versus Jesse? seventy year, although the person whose in the nursing and here's why? Because when we looked at the trend we saw the reduction in protection was across the population and we We need to make sure that everybody was in fact I didn't think you were you really enjoying right now, the idea to be protection. It was extended if you

but we are actually prioritizing abominable China. This is something well, don't know, because at the time schedule which were doing this getting people acting under each month diversity. It turns out that people be vaccinated. First, word of honour all long term care facility residents, healthcare workers, and seniors. They will be the first ones to be vaccinate once again. I know it still very early but have you seen any real world data, perhaps out of Israel that shows boosters do work That's a good question. We have seen actually some early data it in public that that has come out of Israel showing act that the boosters do seem to be. having a effect on improving protection, but the truth is. you know we ve gotta dig internet data. We gotta look at him much more closely. We didn't make this decision, though, base offer so one single dataset or often israeli data or UK data- we made this data. This decision, based on our compassion

and all of the data- and it was what we sign back in the U S- Data that we found particularly compelling in terms of climate protection. So, on the other side of the spectrum, some experts are pointing to date. of Israel that immunity wanes after five or six months and asking why are we waiting until eight months like just personally My parents are over sixty five. They got vaccinated. wait February, should be worried about how protected they are against Delta between now and when they can get their booster shot in October. Will it's a good and John and my mother is and my grandmother in the same boat as your parents thing I'd vaccinated at some time in that time frame and here's what I would say. We know that even even we had this six month mark they, your protect, against severe disease hospitalization that are high right, so you have acceded barely six months ago. You should still feel good about the protection you have that's why, where she not recommended people go out today, Booster shots

but there is an increase in mild and moderate breakthrough infections, and so this, where is where it comes out, a bit to people's risk tolerance in their preference in when I buy? You know I talk to my It's I you know, I make sure they, even though they are fully vaccinated because they live with my kids around I've seen it and because they tend to be very well, you know said risk averse about about health outcomes. You know what day that you could maybe go out and they wear masks during public indoor spaces. You know they take that extra layer, precaution and that's the right thing to do so it's elevated, you're, not gonna, do differ from person to person, but the good thing is six months that you said that I protection against the worst of covert. So I'm one of the but thirteen million Americans who received the Jane Jane acts. in and I've been given a lot of conflicting advice on whether I should try to get myself a booster now on one hand, I'm a bit of a who follower? So I don't want to lie or cut in line to get the shot. I know its not approved yet.

but I want even less to get infected and potentially transmit the virus to my on vaccinated one year old. Like should I be worried about how protected, I am right now by the change, a vaccine. China, to oppression and, in your certainly not alone, at fourteen million people in the United States, who received the changing vaccine and their health There will be their extended. Protection is just as important as anybody who receive Pfizer Medina vaccine. We do not always when you look at the data that their protection people got from the worst of covert was also high with the Johnson. Maxine Data to South Africa. Recently with the delta area continues to support again, I degree of protection against the worst outcomes But we do know that their breakthrough infections happening mouth about our cases with the change, a vaccine, and we do believe that danger recipient. will likely Nita booster as well. The reason we didn't include specific plan for Jane Jane. Yesterday's announced

is because we are actually waiting on some more data to be submitted from their companies too, and also additional about a second, also J J, as well as additional data from one upon mixing study How will we actually look at using one vaccine first and then another vaccine, an example, maybe getting Jane, Jane first and then getting I second dose adviser, Madonna and and we look at those studies and had the FDA actually evaluate them for safety and efficacy. We can't formally reckoned them, but I do know that when it comes to him in a compromise, people look received Sanjay at some of their. Their positions have been boosting them with eyes or amend Erna, because there wasn't again form recommendation there. They knew they needed something and I don't need it.

That's an unreasonable approach for those positions to take, given that they were not wasn't enough data pretty CDC left here to make a formal rack, and I'm sure you saw that Zuckerberg Hospital in San Francisco is offering boosters to J J recipients just based on if their physician has told them. It's ok, even beyond just amino compromise, what do you think? That's reasonable land- and I see this- he notices somebody who's practices for years and seen just you know, Medicine is both in art and science and that a lot of it has be tailored from people's individual needs are so now. I believe that we should generally allow doctors and patients to make decisions based on their individual rights, tolerance for individual preference or individual needs, and so, when I hear about doctors even recognize at some patients need some additional assistance for support and they have it

find you know, look at different options that perhaps the federal government may not be able to recommend. I recognise that in writing. Every visit, He's gotta make those decisions I in their planning about how best to serve their patients and the adding that the reality of the weather we limit. So speaking, of course, You know we're talking about a third shot for all Americans over the age of twelve, when kids under twelve have been able to get there first. I yet schools are opening now and you know, masks or no masks. We know delta credibly, transmissible variant former FDA. Commissioner Scalia was on tv yesterday saying he could see the agency potentially speeding up their approval process on vaccines for five to eleven year olds. If enough kid started getting fact it getting infected and getting in trouble do you think, that's possible and what's your sense of the timeline right now? Well, it's one question in my Johnny and I both have young it's, who are not eligible to be vaccinated, and I mean I think, they're, not

turns out there like us, you know who really mine a vaccine for decades, especially during this fossil season, without that they know in the air, and I think the wool what's really point erectness yours, the companies and one that the FDA is top priority. I copied vaccines and they know just how extraordinarily important is for kids, who are vulnerable right now without a vaccine. So there Aren't you a move, heaven and earth to do everything they can to to make sure that the evaluation is as quick as it can be, while still being thorough, because we want people have eight and confidence and evaluation at start, but they all, first need to get the data from the companies. And so the trials are still ongoing, that companies need to gathered here from the trousers to analyze and they need to submit their application to the day after so that it can do its evaluation, but as soon as it

that's it- I can tell you at my conversations after this is their highest priority, Toby nineteen. That seems so. You said during the White House Briefing yesterday that you don't accept the idea that we have to choose between them. Sing aiding Americans and vaccinating the world practically speaking now. You know right now at ten countries using ninety percent of the vaccines. If all those wealthy countries follow the lead of countries like the? U S and Israel and decide to give boosters. How do we get the rest of the world vaccinated in a time frame that both saves lives and prevents the emergence of new variants, yeah and I'm glad you said that that peace, the Andy Emergency New variants Gazette, is one of the reasons that is so essential that as a country, we do everything we can to help backs me. The rest of the world- besides we were prevent new variants from developing elsewhere and then coming here and and affecting the rest? well. So here we have to do if you assume that pyres fixed on and we

Only a limited number of vaccines than yes giving more vaccines eye to American to the plenum losers will take shots away from people in the rest of the world. We can't allow that pie to see the same size. We have to grow the pie and that's why I did. We are accelerating our work on the global trend in addition to donating already and delivering over a hundred twenty million doses of vaccine other countries. We are now moving I'll be half billion. I doses that we had purchased visor for the rest of the world, enshrining Campbell goes out to the rest of the world, and that's just the beginning because we know that the real big ticket items that can help here are pushing companies from attack, transfer perspective, to get knowledge about production to other countries and to companies that can actually look we produce vaccine and so helping stand up that local manufacturing capacity is another area, As far as that will really up expand. The bottom line is we have to about. You, don't have a choice. We have to protect Americans, we have to vaccinate the rest of the world

we need you to stay said, and it is our approval. our role as a global leader, automation we're doing that is well through last question: Pfizer met with the CDC July, twelve about the need for boosters laid out their case later. There's really data CDC disagreed at the time. so they had conflicting data. Israel ends up being right. Cdc essentially agrees with Pfizer's case this week. Can you talk about why the national data wasn't compelling back in July and the IP address this question, because in general sometimes it feels like if I want to know, what's going to happen in the? U S with regard to cover decisions, I need to like follow the Israeli New, like. Do you sometimes do wish? We had more information faster here is about. Is it about just looking for more data The? U S like do you feel like the CDC, is getting information and data fast enough

Well, that's how you gonna as somebody who loves numbers. Indeed, I always did it yesterday. It's all here to wait for me below, you you you're pointing to visit, is illegitimate challenge that we have in the United States It's been a problem for many many years, which is that we have fragmented data systems in our country about public health information. That has been under funded and has he wrote it over the years we have seen different data systems that are always talk to each other and so with other countries which have more centralized data and public health sounds which have invested more in public health? More broadly their able to extract and pull in data from what's happening around the country? Much additionally than we are at something we have to fix, that we have Get better at as a country It's why? My hope is that coming out of this pandemic, that we will. recognise that those longer term investments in infrastructure, public health infrastructure are absolutely essential, so we can understand more quickly. What's going on,

being set in Cuba when it Israelis actually is. They ve, started their vaccinations and ended up in a vaccine, much larger portion of population much earlier than we did right so from attack global perspective, not there. I hadn't united States in much of the world but we are, we saw the israeli data. We saw data from other countries, but the CDC needed to do, though, is to gather data from here as well, and look at everything in total. When things you're always sign scientists, don't trust the single source of data Ok, maybe well done next attribute Unita collaborate. Because it is inevitably various factors. You can't control foreign data, and so when they started to see as a patter emerging. John, This pattern in particular became clear in recent days, when multiple datasets from the? U S, I came through data from healthcare workers, data from long term care facility residents if a New York state, as well as what was called the ivy cohort, which is a group of you, know more than

Wendy Eyes, had a health systems and from states All of that data started to point to the same pattern, this reduction in protection against my other minor disease, with eight I still high per day hang on severe disease, that's gonna became clear. There's a pattern. Here is a trend here we see where it's going and that's how we act doktor event. Murphy so much for joining pod. Save America again come back any time. We are, we love, haven't you all things much time to be with you again ticker banks to Surgeon general, the back mercy for joining us today, and everyone have a great weaker by everyone. Hot save America is a crooked media production. The executive producer is Michael Martinez, our senior pretty Sir, is flabby causes are associate producers, jazzy, Marine and Bolivia, Martinez, its mixed in edited by Andrew Chadwick, Someone is our sound engineer.

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