Continued: Sruthi Pinnamaneni follows the world's best bounty hunter on a peculiar case.
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This episode is brought to you by better for him a new podcast from eighty people. In each episode Francesca Ramsay talks to visionaries in business leaders about mistakes. They ve made how they work their way through them and came out better for. Listen on Spotify or wherever you get. Your pot casts from gimlet this reply all mpg vote if, for some reason, you're just listening to this randomly visit, part. Two of a two part story make sure your Baculus Nepal, one or nothing. You here will make sense. Ok here shortly sell machine. I arrived in this town and North Carolina, it's the middle June Monday, very hot and sticky, and just a quick reminder. The reason we ve come to this particular
town, I'm not gonna, tell you which one it is it's because Michel is, after a man named Louise Rodriguez and after a whole lot of searching. She believes that a woman named Blanca who lives here is Louisa Shelter right, so Michel, thinking either. Louise is asked this address that she has four Blanca he's living with block on our family. Could you said people stateless their shelter right or, if he's not there, she sure that Blanca knows where he is Sir plans to confront Blanca scare her and get her to give up Louis's location. So that's her plan. Michel tells me she's already checked in with her quiet Maria Spinoza, and we are off we.
Meet up with this former bounty Hunter is AMOS, Dallas, Maclean, ok, he's this being dude and Sixtys. Has a goatee tells me that he's a voice ever actor on the side door? Google will farmers who wish to do so. Dallas is gonna, be Michel's wing man for this whole trip and he's just doing it as a favour, like letting our use his office as a home base, and he tells me like this now drive you anywhere, you need to buy or sell. We go to his car how you have you really do yeah? I got in the phronsie like giant Black Suv, with, of course attended windows and beard, there's all sorts of bounty Hunter stuff in it. A water gun. Oh no, this I want again to tease, aren't I got like laundry drop off. Perhaps in the back
we had off the trailer park about twenty minutes outside of town and at this point, Michel is just planning to do a drive by like scope out the place and come up with a game plan. She's done all this extra research on Blanca. Since last time I saw her like at this point. She knows you know exactly where Blanca works. She has the extended family tree for Blanca. Has her daughters name? Is there any part of you? That's like feels a little know how bad for her call her turned cold, because she's, aiding and abetting a fugitive who killed somebody? And she knows it when she could have already for five years, have gone by. She can easily make anonymous, call and hey I'm so so I know about this case. I need for you to come, get him or he works here, something that some its right to do. The principal thing
and that's it destination. As on your, we pointed this trailer park, Slorc Loop, come out. We are slowly driving down this dirt road until we hit this one trail, where by the number on the door, they know it's Blancos and they start to figure out like what are the possible escape routes dual dollars. Keep strivings Michel has come round and is taking photos through the window. We see that there is a front porch coming out of the trailer and there's a little girl there. Eating ice cream
however, since we loop round and drive by again and now there's another girl whose come out an older girl, late, teens and she's. Also standing on the porch pattern. You do that's. The daughter of blood has blankets, daughter, where's the door There is no problem there just words behind like it's perfect. What does that mean? then drawn the rhymes he's gonna be on staff. Are we don't we leave. The House and Michel now wants to go the restaurant where Blanca works. She says it's a week day and I think she might be there, so we sought by its in a mall food core and the girl behind the counter tells us Blanca, just left
Dallas, as you know it, let's get some food, another great italian restaurant and then for the next two hours he and Michel. Just tell war stories Finally, a nine thirty Michel says to him: hey. I want to go back to the trailer, my seat at night and see whose living there besides Bonkers family. First they get their gear together, a Dallas opens the trunk of the car with low binoculars monopolies yeah that my vision to water water resistant, losing. We had backed the trailer park again, I'm up Michel sitting in the back and she could sign of badge it's a Texas in to get her bad, but it looks a lot like a police, rose, way and idealism. I never like ie. I they always that what do you do when you do I'm com very calm. You know
where's the industry for another one rainy them plan Just sit there in the car in front of the house is watching pitch black and then Miss shall just opens the door shut.
South and starts March, frightened towards the front doors she's got herself on her in her hand and she's using it like a flashlight. The whole trailers dark, except for this one light. That's out of the back and in front of us is this giant. Beware: dog sign! It saw teller sex. It's me, you can't be sleeping in the morning. She seems pretty satisfied and we walked back to the car. Just one we're about to get inside. Somebody somebody front door opens, but we see who it is
What now now good boy, good boy, no Domini older girl say earlier she's here, with this dog, looking extremely confused and to shovel like as if she's just been woken up out of bad. My is and then Michel shows her. The photograph of Louis you, no and the girl says no I've never heard of this person and at that point, this middle lady in a nightgown, comes out. Looking, we only scary thing, there's only so bonus bad lanky! Ok, you send me some almost scientifically valid Texas Michel has, badge out and they get into this whole back and forth. What was coming, Singa Phut look on us. No, no, I'm enough
Ok, I'm saying she does not recognise this photo of Louise either and she clearly has no idea what Michel is asking about. She's like I'm, not Honduras. There's only got one on getting a better than that, and I'm legal- and she tells me, shall come to my house and I'll show you my papers you got the wrong end. We sit down in their dining room, husbands out families out, there's like six different people there and they are all taking out all their paperwork like there's drivers, licences, work permits. Just like all proof that there ought to be exactly and Michel is like taken photos of all their documents and then through the front door walks in this. Young. Looking guy, that's Tomas turns out the guy we felt was bonkers husband is
Flickr Sign language, Perfect Michel! Sars ask him all these questions and finds out, like this person has the same first and last AMOS Tomas that guy that she's been with thus far theorizing, as the partner in crime of Louis buys this guy is not honduran he's from El Salvador he's like Twitter. Years younger than we expected. Definitely the wrong guy I'll, Correct Michel I mean she has just barge in two and innocent families house in the middle of the night, with a badge I am mortified and confused. The Michel seems almost excited like she pivots immediately to this new theory. The original Tomas who she was looking for. Are the front of Louise's. He must have stolen this kid's identity and you're the victim year for identity, fraud and Michel starts in giving this kid.
Security advice. She's should like ok, here's what you do. You need to write a letter to all these credit bureaus and tell them like yours or security. Amber is compromised. I mean are one point he's giving her his contact info, so she can get back to him about things and now you don't use emblem- is not good so many times yeah, you need to change. Oh, do hush now go to Twitter, you better community. The whole family is just wrapped wake. They seem really grateful for all this advice and they just keep saying. Thank you. So much longer you ran away We therefore two hours, while by the end of it they all lined up round her Maisie cheese and took photos. Right. You got it
thought out here looks like a leaf family bout. Like absolutely looks like someone was like a right. Let's go to serious and get our photo taken. Yes We leave the house it's midnight by that point. Michel! Isn't it great mood to me the whole thing so felt like a mistake, the next morning. It's back to the drawing board, we station ourselves in the kitchen of Dallas Office and Michel he's working on a laptop and this time she says, she's going a different route. She's found a new lead, a guy named Tony, he's an actual friend of actual Louise, an old friend He's Willingham track him down,
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Where we left off michel- and I were sitting in Dallas Office Well- and she was about to call this guy named Tony and here so that is remember how the court lowered Louis's bail, Tony, who was his friend and co worker. He actually appeared in court early on too. I defy on visas behalf I saw my name is Michel Gomes. I need to speak with you, regarding the situation. Mr rigorous My boy are you that put forward ok. You know. You know Louise really good weather and where the biggest you testified on his behalf as a credible person, Why did you do that? happy with it. Jake
every job right, surely boiling water that will help them. Ok, How did you feel when he was gone Stop it. Good thing. You rush for some trouble, he says last time you saw Louise, was the night just before he took off bullshit you're gonna be Ok at the next thing, I found out that Louise his wife, his two kids I just got in a van, unlike the left, so it was planned. Ok, anything. Now that may help you mean to find him as far as what he What what he would do the guy! That's why you're here
Maybe there's an tendency. He says you can find a wife. Louise will be close by because They have a little daughter you might get hurt daughter, ok good morning- good where. Yeah. Further, being deported, Thank you. Oh, my God Tony said he didn't
the details, but something related to these drug gangs, like maybe I'm ass, thirteen and that they killed Louise's mother in front of him any so sad the EU could please don't you like yeah. Oh, my god, yeah, I'm here with a gun deport him because meet glamour there. Ok saver look than in the other ones will buy, is no longer under the high, but that I miss all saying because Louise is afoot, the violence in his country and hunt or us there's no way the. U S is just going to dump him over there. The heavy calls you or by some chance. By some light of day, you have number. Ok,
some kind of hope, but yet he has to do some time. He has to be financed I will thank you I appreciate you. We got off the phone and I was really confused it. That Michel was so sympathetic towards the ways. Yet I feel you could be like attack their clicks. You trying to convince Tony she's, always aside yeah, but I can tell because she was actually tearing up but after that call. She says you know Tony's, given us this big clue and from now on, I mean a focus on finding Luis, his wife and daughter. She spends enact side like five hours on this laptop by six p m. She confirms that, yes, they are in Tennessee, but she still doesn't know what town we had backed What how and Michel keeps working like keeps hammering away. This question is barely talking to me and then
at one I am describing mother, yes, she gets a phone call from her daughter, which starts off normal, but very quickly. It turns super emotional daughters, crying says that she's decided to move to this other city. Finally, Michel turned to me and this list. I need to stop. I need to go home to Texas and as soon as I get home and say goodbye, my daughter, I'm going to make arrangements to take after tenancy. Like you dislike anything happen to them. Makes you feel differently about hammer about you search for him, he's back a rough life has had. No use is witness death of its mother in front of him. I don't know what Asia happen, but it. Was emotional to know that
gives you a rough life. You know, shit happens, everybody, but he here is. The aim is to pay for his crime for the accident for the closure of the store in the family in the face of the justice system, in terms and in grow from that. You know how been running all his life. There's. Was a day or you can start over and repair it in that day I've the day I confront him is the days and start because I'm gonna sit with him as a friend. He's going to be able to respond until they going to rest cuz. Usually they usually tell me I'm glad you found me now I can rest yeah you're going to be sleeping in jail. You know That's the good part and I'm probably gonna make another friend I really am. I really believe it probably have a photo album with him, confusing Lenny
oh yeah. I am job at sea. Let's see what happens, the police. You know I'm not a meme person. My life is about doing what I do best and that's. Finally, the a person The next morning I fly back to New York. Michel goes back to Texas, and she says- I'm gonna planned for this Tennessee trap I very curious. How the remembrance project would feel about Michel's new empathy towards Louise, but by now Point Maria S, bananas, taking my call This was in June right about the time she found herself in this controversy, a bunch of her families had turned on her like theirs, political article where they say they felt like Maria was harbouring political ambitions and that you
using them to get closer? Tromp Maria tell me, I don't want it you, until I hear your final story machine. However? We kept checking regularly deadlines. I highlighted cases and clients pain, yeah they're, denying them like this year. My last When I called her in early July, Michel was completely overworked. She said she was having migraines by. She said she still finding time to search for louise- and she told me- I looked into it- he's definite. Not in Tennessee. I'm gonna be brief review because I'm waiting for call in September, she told me I found his son. On Facebook and watching them. I think Luis has fled you ass now, I'm ninety percent sure even fame. Aha, ok,
any potential even today, because the way a family is red, responding so awake, I have you been taxing. The centre what what communication? Having with his son little by little cap budget line here in our own room, say like that you're. That means no when you capture somebody, you bring information out you mean you're, not alarming them. Do you mean you're, pretending to be somewhere else? now I man catfish ham and have blades worried. I know who I am hearing ass. He who I am I wanted. She told me I'm so close. Two figuring out his address, and I have this like local investigator there on the ground and he's helping me to take pictures and oil. Oh my god, I'm going here. I don't know, I'm sorry.
I got a report this time, a mess, Maria and let her know, we'd also talk about the things She said that night in North Carolina about how the Eu S would protect Louise, let him stay. I was wondering if you still feel way like claims asylum here of life for his life now to go back on the deck, and no doubt I explained him. I shall I've been talking to a bunch of lawyers, and they all tell me it's almost certain that Louis will not get asylum and I said does that worry you and she said yes I would. We were worried for him because I would be part of that. I want to be part of putting that cause back in the lions den. You know I was worried for his life.
Because you, U ravines ready, we all make mistakes. You can bring your story that what you can do is have closer the story, family and say you are when there is in MR bridges at heart, Does it make your job a little harder Michel, because, like there is this? risk that you know the heat like that he will be sent back to the lions den the responsibility, and I know that and find him, and emotional for me, because I can say you know the tomorrow will be the day you get body job on this guy leaders. Eve is gonna, be locked up a broad versions. Hang than inch extradited over here and they be deported.
Who knows, I may be the one who in their lives by sending back if they kill him. I'm gonna be part of that responsibility. I'll never know that and I don't want you know that. When I would hear Michel talk about Louise like us, I think wow, you have more words. But the for him than I do you know. A drunk drive allegedly who- kill someone ran? How is it that you work for of all people Maria Espinosa. You know, Michel seem too feel, like America had some kind of duty to protect Lou is but Maria and remembrance project. Their whole thing is: why Louise Weiss You owe him nothing. We need to protect,
in families that guy he's not supposed to be here and these two ideas seemed really contradictory, like this country. Fights over them constantly, but I realise that from a shout there are not contradictory like vague, This equally in her mind so to hurry, makes purple since the cheese work. About Louise, but also hunting him down for Maria. I wanna be part of the agenda because you cannot come clean and safe and break the long. You will you beat you will be punished and we're gonna make of Greece a burger Roderick as an example of what's gonna happen to you. It's your case comes in my hand, I want to be part of a recent implied that says. You know why Mr Tromp is trying to do so.
Think I still don't know all the gender, because it changes over time and use carries with it. Fate meant, but there's something I want to pay for it and him and that's just as firms should just hurry. He didn't deserve a diver day. So Michel feels this absolute Clare, This is what she needs to do. She is going to get Louise's address somehow she's going to,
I D, Spain and capture him. The thing is, it's been nine months of hearing Michel say that she sure she can get him. I am not a hundred percent sure it does seem like a very complicated task, especially because he is now out of the country, and on top of that, the remembrance project seems to have lost, summon up steam that had had in the early days of the trunk victory. So it's almost like there is. This giant target kind of ways are focused on Louise, and now it's just lost its focus, but that's not the end of the story. Can I tell you this crazy thing that just happened? Ok,
so I was just doing routine fact checking stuff like just trying to confirm the most basic fact about Louis Rodriguez. Just that he's undocumented. Everybody had told me this. It was in the court records, but I just couldn't figure out where this piece of information had come from. I, met with people from ice, and so I asked them for info on Louisa Status and they said sure we will look into it and through the weeks they were clearly working on it like trying to run down this info, and then just days ago, they wrote to me saying: hey lessen our hands are tied to you to privacy restrictions were unable to comment. I caught her story like how had she first heard that This was undocumented. She couldn't remember, but she did remember this thing that at first she thought was bullshit. A cop had told her
that the reason they couldn't like report Louise to ice is that he had some kind of special something like special papers. Special papers yeah that cop he was a captain retired years ago, but I found his eighty year old mom. She found him and he told me it was a protected status. Louise had a protective status yeah. I didn't know that meant, but I found a law enforcement source who is able to confirm what he had. Louise Rodriguez had a temporary protected status. It's not silent for different. It's a temporary thing that the? U S offers to citizens of certain countries that have experienced disaster like an earthquake in Haiti. Civil war in El Salvador, Hurricane Mitch, In Honduras, like it, doesn't matter how,
you entered the? U s legally or illegally once you're here, you can apply for this temporary protected status and you'd be allowed to live and work here, and Louise had this yes, so so the central fact of this entire story was wrong. He was not undocumented, while he Maria Spinoza poster child, is now not really a poster child at all, No, so everything was supposed to be simple turns out, it wasn't, but Chris Story is sure of one thing: six years ago a guy killed her brother and walked away. Her friends told her. We need to move on and the de stopped returning her calls it see.
Like she was the only person who cared about this. Until one day this woman. Showed up who was so eager to listen, and she told her this stories worth something she wanted the whole country to hear it I spoke to Chris last night. I told her about status. I had no idea how she would respond, but she said you know it really does not matter this guy killed my brother and did not even stick around to apologise. That is the point of this story. What else you need to know, This also requires the same. If she doesn't a fine agrees, but let you now
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