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#15 I've Killed People And I Have Hostages


Blair Myhand is a police officer in the sleepy, 42,000 person town of Apex, NC. One night, he received an unusually disturbing phone call where a person claimed to be holding a woman hostage after murdering several people. Myhand assembled his team, and went to the house, but what they ended up finding was much more bizarre.

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This episode is brought to you by better for him a new podcast from eighty people. In each episode Francesca Ramsay talks to visionaries in business leaders about mistakes. They ve made how they work their way through them and came out better for it. Listen on Spotify, wherever you get. Your pot casts. Blair my hand is a police chief in APEX North Carolina, its of rally. Durham. Forty two thousand people upper middle class. I am as a policing apex is pleasing. Mayberry, the down from the anti Gryphus shall not o clock at night. People are in their houses with their families and their going to bed, and sometimes we roll the sidewalk. At midnight. You don't mean it is a very low crime community. You know we were agreed had to homicides ever in this town. One summer night, APEX, nine one one got an unusually disturbing call.
And warning here. This episode contains graphic language and description to violence. You know of a person who claimed to have killed several people and was holding a woman hostage in the house. The collar gave the dispatcher his name in his address. One does one: let it make you acting a police officer thing. You know this is serious. You know we wanted action very equally that night going into action meant deploying the Swat team. Yes, the town of APEX has a swat team part time, but nonetheless about a dozen cops semi nomadic weapons helmets right shields my hand was among them. They drove to the house that the end of a cul de sac river I've completely surrounded by police officers. We got in a war war weapons aimed at the house The swat team was hiding in the backyard two cops behind GINO tree. They gave them a view of the house
they're, pretty sure this aspect was hiding upstairs with ass ass. It was tense, you're you're, going the anticipation that you're gonna see a mass murder and you, you may end up having a you know, kill somebody tonight. I too am light started come on in the house. The suspect notices dissuade him in his yard. Grabs gun and moves down the stairs to the first floor, landing somebody from A team screams tells this aspect to disarm and that's where were they? I was a hostage situation turns into something much stranger. The suspect puts on his gun and meets the Swat team at the door very confused his wife. Whose alive and also confused is there with them. His children are alive and asleep in their beds. The homo had no idea what the cops are talking about, even though the number one call had given the man's name, his address and correctly identified the members of his family sorrowfully, really
through our towards realising a weapon swatted. From what I'm pda vote. Mrs reply all show that this week were timeout swatting engagement, familiar swatting, it's a prank, that's played by duping a local community swat team into rating the house of somebody else. All sorts of people get swatted its habit of Tom Cruise Miley Cyrus, the car dashing But a very popular swatting target is video game players. A specific brand of gamer live stream. Serbia or anything like our boss, Alex Bloomberg. You might needs more explanation here. First of all, the people broadcast themselves playing video games online, often, but not always live, and those people get very famous, there's a whole Network dedicated to watching lives, dreams of games called Twitch Tv Amazon bought it last year
For nearly a billion dollars, the biggest star of broadcasts yourself buying videogame scene is again imputing, Razumihin, Gipsy or after pity pay thirty five million Youtube subscribers and Damsel Taylor, swift than I thought, here's a usually see in these videos. The me screen is the actual video game that the streamers playing and then smaller picture in picture you see their face they come in on the actual, while what. People swat lives dreamers because they the satisfaction of seeing in that little picture and picture the Swat team through the door in real life and throw the game or to the ground there, a compilation of famous Swat videos on Youtube. One of them said to the woman named gas in the video she thinks Our duty blackouts offer right now
She did. They had set off get. Then leave the frame of because the games online. It continues about her Yes, Your hearing, all this, but all you see on the screen- is the tiny box where her face used today, you're just a law in an empty room. Then a police flashlight cuts through the frame One the cops actually recognizes the video game. She's playing up to she's a streak the cops finally start to appear in the frame one x through the other. What actually happened watching us there's no real hostage situation, And what's more somewhere,
they're talking about and they're all probably laughing stock was you still Jackie said it's a joke. Their straighten you're watching you, This watching videos are filled. The scenes like these and the almost always this one moment that comes after the cops cuff the kid it's a long stretched out moment of confused silence, it happened when the cops finally turn and see themselves broadcast in a tiny box alongside a kids video game in a computer. If you're a cop, it's easy to see why this can make you mad some kid somewhere on the internet. Just use you as upon. It makes me angry when, when thanks are due to our teenager. She now that they they are so naive
understand the ramifications of this type of situation and the consequences that can happen from making a prank phone call. You know when it when I was thirteen years old operate phone calls had to do with it. Is your frederick running, you know, that's all we did. We didn't get long Foresman to respond to some of us expect into to deal with a mass murders. You know so it's a different day and age buddy. You know it's a very, very dangerous situation at a very dangerous situation that can also freak out the people who get swatted one swatting victim and airforce fat Had the Swat team show up where he lived with his younger brother afterwards, hosted a reaction video I please plant and my little brush his head.
These ten years old, but he had ten previous Hudson, pointing a gun at him because he was at the door. And that, of course, is the reaction you'd expect, but one of the most, breaking things to me about these videos is how rare that reaction is in many these videos, jobs are riled up, expecting a mad man or a terrorist or something, but the kids just stand there. They don't seem scared All. They are the only ones who really understand the world that these cops had stumbled into. coming up with a deeper into that world. With somebody who understand, I a kid who's been swatted. I know what it's like, how to stop it
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I s honor for free visit, assign a dot com to get started. That's a stay anais dot, com. And now back to the show. What's that guy's sturdy here come the Jews roadway tricks on number. I really don't know the number boy. This is Curtis hanging up he's a twenty one year old, called duty, player, who plays online with a group of other gamers all over the world on a team called phase in phase face, has a lot of fans as Now, like my team, that I'm in is a Youtube team, they have over three million subscribers. What they started out about five years ago and then the largest subscribe gaming team, as if on Youtube and this year. I am I'm talking to you for this internet podcast. As a
As a media organization, you're you're, called due to giving team, is taking method expert she'll, be local actors at the efficacy of this phase. Has two teams. One is a compelling team, the place against other teams in torment the other team which per displaced is responsible for producing entertaining trick, shot videos, Imagine the NBA slammed on contest, but instead its people playing call of duty, phase runs a surprisingly sophisticated media operation. We haven't editing team there's about. Save them grow, steam, there's probably round, I think, there's four. By the then as well and they're all getting paid when Curtis started. He's working in a north face store to pay for community college classes, but now he supports himself entirely by playing video games online, he's good at it when he snapped someone without zooming and with the scope. He also catchphrase, no scope, new scope and
when I do that everyone in the charge is it. I see no experiment and just like more things like that, the glove it's crazy, how hyped up in excited people get when I just read their message, It's it's really surreal feeling for me, like, I don't feel special at all, but if I'll even favouring somebody's tweet Del. Oh my gosh fees dirty favour, my tweet. This is the best ever it, in other words, Courtesy STAR, and on the night he got swatted. He was performing first fans playing video games with headphones on. His dad Warren was one who noticed the cops out the window. We could see other in everything going on, they had assault rifles in and he was talking to megaphone and the words or not in registering, and the sun, courtesy, dad us like what you talk about thirteen thirteen it
That's our house there talking to us. I said. No, that's not our address. That's not us, and I can't even think any I know dad they're they're telling us to come out of the house, The family went outside where the cops quickly, hustled them into a neighbours garage one of em, something like whose Curtis, whose Curtis Hanky and man who is sheer panic? I don't know about swatting, had a time. I have no idea what that was what it meant. I was afraid for courtesy. I thought they were going to Throw in handcuffs in Harlem him off right then, unlike his dad and probably the cops her hand, Covington him Curtis quickly for you what had happened while he'd never been swatted himself before like everybody else, he knew he'd seen the videos. You know the drill when was down there and we are all waiting and the I came over and asked whose Curtis at that point I was about ninety nine percent.
What was going on and when he told me what happened. I was, I felt terrible of it all these cops and all these resources had to be used just for one prank phone call. I talked to Curtis for a long time about the world of squatters and of swatting. It's world where some people have been swatted so many times that they ve gone to their local police department and given them their phone number but themselves essentially on an informal do not swat last. If your numbers on one of these was the police or just call you before they send a swat team over. On the other side, the slaughter. Learning best practices for what kinds of cause seemed most effectively get the police to strangers house the cause In a work best have an added. And the real name of the family who lives there in this way,
this waters as he's killed his mother. But then he escalates occult further we want, but you were gonna kill you gonNA, Calhoun, you're gonna cannot survive financially aboard ok, you're gonna blow the house, you don't care Curtis knows who swatted him. None other names their pseudonyms, they taught him online, they threatened to do it again and he thinks he knows why they did it. Ninety five percent: this is people wanting attention when the cop went into the room where my computer, what. That's the point where they, the person who swatted succeeds. I guess because a tweet about it, Madame, it's crazy how much it spreads when seventy swatted? It's just merely one: attention wanting a bigger follow on Twitter. Just wanting to
seen and to be maybe even feared. There's attempting explanation for how someone could be so. I'm thinking about the consequences of their actions, video games They ve been desensitized. I dont by the Syrian but just make sure asked warn about it. Will or anything strange about. I am sure people ass, like somebody s question on time, but was there anything strange about playing a game? That's like a shooter illegal, first person, shooter and then going outside to see actual men. With guns, irony behind it. I and you may be able to Tell- is politely tired of hearing about this irony, He also wasn't very interested in my questions about whether this is actually a story about swat raids. There are fifty- and Swat raids in America a year from three thousand and ninety needs for war is not about that. This is a relatively simple problem with a relatively simple solution. Somehow
the nine one one system needs to work with Skype, with Microsoft to come up with better ways to verify and Tracy's calls so They can't be spoofed from another address and then and then very difficult to track down. He also thinks that the laws need to change. Some states are already passed anti swat legislation, but weren't thinks that for this to stop, swatting calls have to be treated as a felony. Rather a misdemeanor. There are certain crimes for changing. The laws doesn't work despite stiff audience, murder. He made knows that murder still exists. But the logic behind strengthening swatting punishments is that the people doing it aren't remorseless criminals they're just dumb kids with access to technology. They give them more power than they ought to have. The is that, if you make the consequences severe enough, though stop that's what warranted and captain my hands that car from apex. He hopes he's right.
You know, I hope that its just then being done children and not purposely, because if you do it on purpose, for the other sole intention of of seem somewhat get your body so the course you're committing about a month. You know crime of the heart I feel your right to say that in that case it's murder absolutely would be martyr. You know, wouldn't you naughty were accepted Our border are: what have you I mean that's exactly what it is about. They give record in this country would see it that way. I mean you want to think that it's just done. Kids. I hope it's just a kid, dumb kids, who want attention who one of your more power Matt Labour as a comforter, excellently warned by the radiator. Our theme, song is by mysterious break master cylinder you'd, find more absence of our show at Itunes, dot com. Such reply
public speaking classes now, and he and his dad or minor celebrities. But the pranks authors have reached two. They send Swat teams. Everyone assumes that eventually plausible get past. Somehow society will patch this bag. In the meantime, the local cops have courtesy phone number on fire. He produces ip address. You learning how to be careful. But I always me Peter about an hour Haldeman since we buy shrewdly economic, any increase in Europe, We were edited by Alex Bloomberg in power for. No thanks to Molly Buckley, Sylvie Douglas and Alina negligence, and to the APEX police department We are mixed by the Reverend John Door. Mat labour is a comfort. Accidentally won by the radiator. Our theme song, Mysterious break master cylinder. Invite more absence of our show at Itunes, DOT, com, slash reply, all or reply all doubt limo.
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