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#162 The Least You Could Do

2020-06-18

Black people all across the US are receiving the world's weirdest form of reparations: Venmo payments from white people. Producer Emmanuel Dzotsi investigates.

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from Ghana reply. All I may manage So last Monday, the two weeks of protests over the giving of George Lloyd beyond a tailor, tonic, Dade, and so so many other black people I ended up in a conversation with a black woman who told me about a very weird situation she found herself in. If you dont want to go by your real name. We can change your name yeah down, because the only reason is I feel I feel really sorry. For this girl like how I feel my understanding of it is now a sheaf feels, and I'm almost as I go poor baby but What heard us be embarrassed yeah, but I never hear that she's gonna know this higher because so anyway, because of how I responded to her, because Maya and, as you just said,
Myers, not actually a real name, she's a photographer. This until a man told me that, shortly after recent protests, one of her colleagues posted to Twitter in support of that when photographer it was opposed to editors and opposed to just people in general, that was kind of thing higher black women right now, because you know It directly affects them in their covering these issues that are happening, and so she did this list, which was just incredible, highlighting black women, photographers and you know, just create a lot attraction for a lot of us and sizes are lot of activity on my social media, and just you know, full sharing my photos in you Just leaving me comments at some point. My uncle message from a white woman who was like I'd love support you work. Let me know how and let me know what your Remo is. I said here is my website. Please let me know if you what print you'd like to buy You know we can work out. If not maybe I can compile some images from this.
What has I will be more meaningful and then we can just figure out. Something from there. This is my than mine and then shortly after she said not message, my looked a phone until something confusing a venerable payment from this woman, along with a message saying that she was travelling and would reach out about getting a print me. She got back and I was I wore- That'S- not really what I man on and off was really low as well like. Could she said, let's talk about a prince, so I'm not sure if she thought that was the price of a print. Maybe she do or if that was just, that she was just given. I don't know what it was, but I know it was interesting because we hadn't talked about any exe. Change in terms of the pricing my went back and forth, what you wanted to tell me. The exact dollar amount of a donation. Shoes but the amount could be a give away to the peasants identity, but eventually she told me it was
it was the if it was every donation to me, that's mad, insulting, if that was for a print really insulting. What was that? What was it It was that I mean, I think so I think if we use is Buddhist bleep it. Bulgaria, where the amount was dollars and semi. There was a charity carrot well donation to my being black fund. I don't, I don't even know what that would have done for me in any way, because in twenty twenty, You know things are expensive and I'm not expecting anything from anyone. You know and like I'm pretty okay, this thing my experience is incredibly confusing. Some duration, and it s been happened to everybody. I know, like my sister, my neighbors, my friends, white people.
Visiting black people them payments in these really weird bizarre ways of an completely out of the blue and frequently completely unsolicited I've put on a cool on twitter asking for people to share their experiences of this. I heard from all of these back people who had gotten notification that some white person as cash, but where it is of reparations as if to say he's a few bucks so for raises I just got a random ban now end, and it said sir, We learned drinks down, that's what I'm sending it back. This is happening all over the country, Ireland Chicago. I heard some clothes designers. Buying filmmakers political organizes. Computer program is teaches academics, Picassos, photographers comedians lottery, usually middle class, most of the time under forty payments for continually kept coming thrill and I was like a thank you. According to my completely undermined, if exerted
it seems like you're, more likely to get them all payments from your white friends if you live in a mostly why area went to a mostly college or we're gonna, mostly Whitefield, like gets comedy. You won't get any of these. It turns out. If, like me, you treated about doing a story on said payments. Thanks payments, thankfully white people don't tenders. These with emerges these payments to seem to be so amounts of money like the amount you might contribute to a colleagues birthday God made to people that, although factually completely fine I don't wanna seem like here now: like lack of a better turn like you. Thank you miss who were given these little period. I've heard of people receiving money from colleagues colleagues that in some cases, actually make less the people as any money to these payments can also come from axes grow. Cup of coffee. On me it was just like really weird. Could I had never seen. Dollar amount fitted with police record
before you, maid of honor that same person had been double that amount to a cop anyways, The main thing I learned is that is extremely likely. But you a black person, I'm gonna feel bad about it. I've talk, Maya, Little bit insulted felt this. I don't wanna, take your charity for you to feel better. You know I don't know I mean there's a lot of assumption on my end by I. Just don't want to be a point of your conversation with your friend. I I donated to this attack. This lacks a and was my contribution right. Yes make it more meaningful. The ammonia attitude. Since the initial posted been ok, a higher high have higher figure there. My effect no woman donated for money to a national bill, fun unmatched it she greatly just sort of wash their hands of the whole thing But she never did find out what exactly this person had sent. Her money was thinking that question I was able to get to the bottom of
I heard about the case of another woman named Nani she's, twenty three living North Carolina, I was just in my room on the phone with one of my friends and I get a notification on my phone. And it is random, then MAO from a guy I went to college with, and so I click on it like right. As is coming on. My phone. Doesn't like what the public is, the hidden and all it I'll go my app and read it to you, yeah yeah, Ok, so so you pay me five dollars, five and not, as the We're not get always continue, continue, yeah. Here's what the memo said. Thanks for spreading awareness have coffee way. Thanks for spreading awareness have a coffee, Starbucks campaign. Sounds like sounds like yeah novels ashore. To do
she handled this guy year, though other in a daze has decided to click like until I called by the end of it now there are some. You wanted to find out, as anyone found out. Why has anyone asked why, like you, would me like you just like in the European Union, nor has any one you ve talked to you today and in the black folks who gotten rid of animals like they have ever had a conversation with the people who ve moved them like figuring out, why they ve got that mode no, I don't know, I think it's like really interesting. I think, for the same reason, You didn't ask why I don't know to do why didn't you ask why Well, I don't see you the interesting to me is that I feel it what their thinking and what they might say could be two very different things I wanted to
If I could talk to a white guy, is interaction and get a sense of what was really going for his head when he said not even money so with non intervention, I called him high play. Can you hear me Yes again, hi. How are you doing Donwell hurry? How I'm great I'm great, that's Blake, but why? Guy in question first thing I wanted to know was just how exactly you got me. Did you send money money? Because in the past few weeks there had been Law of white people online on twitter posing takes about a good ally and figured they can pagan haven't cats, one that was so stupid. We turn out to be pretty accurate. Did you get the idea to like donate to your back France Twitter? How to twitter yet someone someone tweeted like a sense. The moneyed, your black friends, does a really bad time and they could use the support. So we did.
You set money to Nani and one of a black person. You know, I think that when Blake opened his facebook last week and saw a method for me a black reporter, ask him about a payment that he, a white dude, had sent to lick with one black woman. You knew something was You have oh ok, it's best just did not go away. I wanted it to, though, when we started talking begging. I did this. We die. Where we talked around and around the thing for a while before actually got to the Bobby and a view that we'd both been dreading. I feel like you, ve done is point. The interviews coming ya go
can I tell you how many felt absolutely she was mostly did. She was confused right and I'm mosey likes you just like. Oh, I haven't talked to Blake in like a year now and then I think the language what you ended up using like have a coffee. I mean when I first heard, My reaction was to her to be like. Does he like work, Mcdonald's that I hear that yeah you do here? I have so little Adele yeah. You know it did feel little with her. What are you? What do you think about? All that I mean it totally like I'm, absolutely would not argue a bit of that. The fact that that was received-
really that I didn't go about it well, that I was yet got about a better communicated it or yeah. Maybe tat honour of I'm in I'm learning ends his eye. I have the impression that Blake, like a lot of why Americans have been spending this month in talking about racial injustice a little moment easiest here, I was curious to know like how much had this get into his life before this moment. How did like the concept of race and liked? doesn't look. How did it show up like while you're going up. Honestly, none is, there wasn't really talked about because it didn't really show up. Only just wasn't talks about. Not in any drastic sense. I mean obviously examples of media, my family. Hairspray. But to that extent it's not very much, but
yeah, it was never something that had to be addressed or that you know my family ever felt the need to explicitly ta about one thing. I wondered about was the comment Blake Saint Movies, Remo Payment- that thank you for spending, the line. He told you of that you ve been about keeping causative in college at the University of North Carolina and noise we admire and Howard spoken. She was. They had this one film, professor, green movies by white directors and non EU to stand up to him. How did you feel like watching nanny take on this professor, like they after day? Klaus, honest was glad she was. Doing it, but now the lot at times I felt bad that she was the one who had to do it. What do you mean say more about that? Yeah. That's end, I absolutely its
I felt bad, that she was the one other thing I say had to do it, but recognising that she like, I could have done it absolutely. I could have spoken up but that she was the one who was doing it time and time again and I personally allotted I didn't notice, I'm still I'm still in the middle of my self education when it comes to race relations, really understanding these topics that we're getting into so I sometimes would notice, but then other times he I definitely let it slide, and I shouldn't Blake and ON had very different experiences at you and see. But there is one thing that have and at the end of college that stood out for both of them? We had a huge issue with a confederate monument that was up on campus silence. And something that only memorialize is the worst of us and the worst of our history
and celebrating. It is not something we needed on our campus, something for students to be walking by on a regular basis, and I you know I went to a lot of that process for it and just a lot of their protest. That happened around chapel hell. Finally, the statue was taken down. And one of these protest about the beginning of our senior year, so you knew that was going on, but, like you, you didn't really go to the protests red. Why, like I said I was lazy. I was not being an active part of stuff that I supported in theory, but you know at the time I thought that was enough. Just being someone supportive of my friend you're, going protest being like yeah, you go get em volume. Hang back in the comfort of my home that would set definite regret it, but not much? I can do about it now. The other then moving forward doing more, obviously, right now around the country. There are tons of protests happening like
of Gardena. When money is things have been pretty hairy I mean everything is: is up in arms, just like cowardice, and a lot of parts of the country have guided friends out at protests who are now being tier gap. Violences escalate Obviously, a lot of people need to be bailed out and part of what sex phobias I'm hired for covered. So I can. The out there, so I really do want to be out there, but I just can't evaporates frustrating on, of course, where big now moves in a very impressive baby. So I wondered this time around his big doing anything there was a protest or was it two days with Saturday that I could have gone to, and I really struggled with whether or not go in. The reason that is is because I live in a house with eight people as a lot of people. You live in a house with eight people. I do it's of its crowded place, but the
kind. It kind of it. It was a real struggled determining like I one really wanted to go to this protest cause yet like I do feel regrets for not going to these it is being more active as an ally, and I was really want to go to this one. I also know that, should I come back from a protest and bring something into this house, is almost zero percent chance that not all of us catch it, and so I found myself very torn in that moment deciding between going to the protests and putting the I, like, my house at risk. Bake ultimately didn't go over presence and thus Bob what made my conversation Movement Ricky. I will call you as a journalist, but I also felt like let me put myself in a position of being some judge in a case where he was defending. His innocence is knowledge. I want an image of anyone wants and frankly, like as agendas and as a person
I don't want to be in a position of judging river banks, have left his house and got on his roommates effective coded, like that's a completely personal decision. So I thought I was feeling I'm going to one more question did any of your roommates go. Two of them debt, gas out to him did go and I guess watching them go. How did you feel once again torrent because as they were. They were adamant like they. They actually didn't necessarily ask these first said they were going and then brought. The notion that well will this make anyone uncomfortable. I guess it's just like the wave of conversation happened. It sounds like it incredibly for long sounds like two of your roommate felt really strongly about going about informing you guys about doing it, and- even though you kind of felt like you wanted to go, you kind of hung back. I did
and then like after that, then sort of like like ok. What else can I do, and you saw a thing on Twitter and you donated money to two of your black France? Is that sort of like the chronology of us? I think so I can't night at honestly, not quite sure. Yes, might understand. The days are blowing together, yeah yeah, I guess I'd. How do you feel about yourself yeah, I mean as as as we continue to talk. You know long low, more guilty but I know that the EU is not guilt, is not, and I mean it's an Annabelle feeling, but it's not the most beneficial and We want, but I'm not like my go here, not to make you feel t, God knows gimlet needs and not pay me enough to make white people feel guilty, but I do
I am does cues above his leg. Now that's injured and that's the egg you're asking wake, re questions and your tapping into the cognitive dissonance that I've been grappling with in that I think I think a lot of it still. To just habit because I spent have, so many years of my life being we to stand back to not take the more active role, and so I think that port probably played upon in balancing the the hard thing that might be dangerous. Or the certainly easier thing, but one that I could in I guess justify it was. It was now given my history and my my who bid all actions, it was easier for me to take. The latter by this point makes his comfort palpable I may be incredibly uncomfortable. It was a part of me.
That one's, let em off the hook and be like it's totally. Ok, it's totally final. You doing, but I didn't say that, because I actually think is a good thing for why people to sit with a girl. Guilt is something you feel when you realise that the gap between our you're actually behaving and how you ought to be in a moment in our country, where we looking at where we are where we want to be, and it feels like white people, the biggest part of that aren't sitting with that guilt instead, every day when I wake up? I do know my phone. Does the messages from my blackberry, pointing out the latest we had just your white people are making two weeks ago it was ever company under the sun and these podcast changing their logo to a black square. A week ago it was nine people. The injunction my way can take off, and this week it seems like every city is copying Washington, DC and painting black lives matter in the middle of some street. These gestures that ridiculous and hilarious mayor
but the question I wish people asking themselves is: am I doing this stuff? I feel bad and I want make things better or do I feel bad and I just one stop feeling that way either way. None of these gestures are gonna really change anything, especially not five bucks for coffee and it's crazy about white people think it might be concluded so opportunely Blake. I agreed to be as virtual in to help him move from superficial professional activism to the real thing we meet every week. I coach him towards being a genuine force against racism in America. A perfect ally. Just kidding, I have no intention of being some magical. Negro Gordon I have my own life, and that is not how to spend it I can't imagine a black person you want to do that, which is why I was so
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I got this one message: it was from the comedian in New York, a black Messina name. Many to mere is made that you'd been jogging white people for their guilt for fun, I met. You been doing it for years. I really wanted to talk to her. It felt like she gone so far in this direction, but I didn't understand you told me you'd fallen into his by accident. I might have actually started at this sketch Kommeni video. She made her white people are you Billy Super guilty, because your raise overwhelmingly voted for and thus elected, Donald Trump to be our forty with president of the United States? This is a video Mimi may in twenty sixteen, it shows how standing in front of it blue background. Giving a mini, may style page for service could wipe the given us one of the first things we did when we talk was watch it together is the girl, so intense tat. Not even a safety will make you feel better about yourself. I just want to put their I forgot about this.
Fifty v. Fifty right, I forgot about it to its already bell. Forgiveness is a service where you then moved me me it's a and I will. We acknowledge you as one of the good wife. You, haven't women of color. I see oppression from has and will be that much more valuable. If I tell everyone the cheers Super woke Jill, Steinway, seven million dollars the one eyed super broke, but in other words many thing saying, pay me and I'll. Forgive you and hope it feels disturbingly real, like even tiers, of payments, five dollars, get your like familiar on Facebook posed about bashing Donald Trump. Four hundred metres shall share that posed the world how grave? And how are you, I found it who areas, but about ones he made an the video kind of surprising, then my real then now merely
May I use your real value, me and I will absorb view of the sins of your people here. Let's get inspired by a thing that happened to me a few years earlier about that you pretty hurtful it was right. George Zimmermann killed Travel Martin and she was on Facebook conversation with a friend about the raises income, they ve been having their own community when another friend a white guy showed up to tell me that actually
The racism she and her friend mental about didn't exist. Many ended up on funding him, but a few years later, in twenty six deem this guy put back up. So then this guy reaches out to me in his eye. Hey, I'm really sorry about what I said all those years ago. I've really reflected- and you know I saw like I thought about what I said and like I've been thinking about ever since that day. I understand now, and I'm really sorry am. I wonder if we can be friends- and I wasn't sure, like yeah, of course like to thank you for acknowledging that thank you for your policy. These occur from every New York. We should grow coffee, I'm sure yeah, that this great. Thank you then, like two days later, he was like hey, so can I screenshot our com?
the station and posted on Facebook. To like you now show people how to apologize. Intellect move passed away once and I was like yeah. I think what the fuck no right then and there may be realised, and we should never forget that wasn't got light Barbara. That cat was a switch of. I owe you care that you hurt me. I care about you just like why you just want other people to see that you're a good person. He wasn't apologizing for me with polish waiting for him to discuss guilt was like completely performative many Geneva respond, but she never forgot about it and then, a few months later, anatomical elected many made that video. This is the equivalent of going to college and major in an african american study. Don't fuck this up more than you already have them all my real.
Then Millie merely to marry many figures that, like of a gets comedy up until this point, a couple of offended watch it like on Facebook, and that would be it. She had no idea that this whole thing was gonna take on a life of its own. So you may that video and then what happens. People actually peoples that you like yeah. So first there was like my friend he sent me like five dollars or something anything absolved me so then I like screen, shouted it and then I posted it. I known on Facebook and I'll write like a commentary on like this is my friend. He wants a swede three absolution, I'm gonna give it to him, but Eric didn't. I miss her last name like I now absolve you from all sense of way people you are now saved. I speak for all people color. When I see this,
you are saved, you are free of guilt and then he's, I think, do them. Others, people liked it and then more people started sending a more and more and then and then were ended up happening as in the memo of the Van MO like transaction, they would confess like something races they did or like why they need to be forgiven people were ascending many real Ventnor payments, so many decided to keep the joke going. He sets up a tumblr page where you would pose some of the best messages in payment she gone Many showed me the pays its cool but white forgiveness project at first, It was mainly people in on the joke, bears white woman who asked for giving us for Laden with as a move is another person who taken part in the production of West Side story where all the porter recombine through played by White P.
But when I found a really remarkable about this tumblr is that many didn't just post what people have said Joseph responded to them. Take this one, many well for me, hey Mary! It's me John says a broad with his black girl, we made out one night and got touchy and stuff. I thought things were going to go all the way, so I start acting weird and distant and ultimately blew it on purpose, because I was positive, I would disappoint her sexually because I was sure she only had sex with black eyes who had to have been better than me. I feel like I made three to seven races calls on this when I regret this and would like to be forgiven. But super dark, it's dark, and then I wrote I mean I can read your what I wrote it response cuz. I feel like I stand by this. One. More comes from John. This meets we superseded so many levels, racism succeeded so stupid or John. Don't you know that all dick
trash regardless of race, take comfort in knowing that, no matter what you are and what you do, your dick is probably going to be garbage, and even if you honestly feel like your dick game is awesome know that you are probably a bad person anyway, that's making you trash as well. My philosophy is liberating to both men and women. Please remove yourself from the shackles of thinking that your sexual experiences will be anything beyond straight waste. John, I speak for all women and people of color when I say that you are now. Even for the sin of forgetting the other guests shock, while one of the things I really admire it about many and how I begin this project was I'll in control of it, she seemed. I had not felt that, Control Michaelmas asian Legate. All this thing back to it
I need to recognize myself is like a version of me that my white work, colleagues, where does not come across as angry or frustrated meetings when I had to kind of mean to be, but many she told me that eventually but white thing in this Van Gogh to be too much five dollars a pop to deal with white people's weird ways has been steps of it. Oh you pretty much quit. I have been convinced that many had cracked the code I found the way to talk to white people about raise that didn't diminisher it even Milly have gotten burned out was even where it was it just this impossible, pointless task, I ass many about it. Sometimes I feel like people of color engage with white girl like put themselves in a position to dialogue with why people about these things, because I feel like they
They feel like a thing engage with it. It'll make more sense to them and not get a better understanding, but like it's, not fucking worth do like a lot of this should just does it make sense. You know like yeah, even if they pay me they're, not paying me enough here and it's not even that I come from this super. You know my family's pretty progressive and we still have a lot of issues with like massage any end, even collar reserve and all that stuff. You know not like. I dont have work to do myself yeah, so why am I gonna do that for you? That is also still like, supporting what supremacy of ignoring the work that I do and make my community needs to do to prioritize. You. This past week, and while I was working on this story, I helped move my girlfriend. The Alabama where aware lives. I one point:
drive down. We stopped at a gas station just outside of Chattanooga Tennessee and assumes report I took a look at the people around. The notice is one big back again out front and I realized the only black people that we want. These are the only ones weighing a mosque, I have to read a license plate to number one from around now it could have been pretty fine I've just days by the calls from gas and cut my hand while loading the car earlier and I was beating very badly. I needed a band aid and here was a gas station that probably have some. So I decided to go into the store I walked in and couldn't find the band AIDS at first. The club was busy looking at her so I tried to get her attentions. I got out of some help. Excuse me, I said: don't put down a firm looked at me for a second I'm like what do you want? The question
really loaded and it felt like every person in the store was looking at me wondering the same thing. None white people in the store could imagine, was bad just for the was that it was like they were too scared to hear a basic send. As I was saying dislike, I need a band aid. A maximum Brooklyn isn't feel that different. If something out but a lot of my black friends. Would you not everywhere? I go I'm having to maneuver around. Why anxiety? It feels like white people. Just won't, let it be the last person I talk to you, for the story was a friend, I'm gonna call Jonathan and when he takes it me you wanted to talk, I'm not even sure he knew. I was working on this peace, but the story ended up telling me it felt like getting everything that was going through my mind. When I talk to many naughty and so many others everything you this week, gonna rough, we imagine yeah. It has been a mean if what you say.
Exactly exact we on the same page, though the region. We're talking right is because you sent me a tax levy, livery poorer, why I dont know if he's the Tiber, but you are like this white fuel used deck college asking about was about the current climate. My dad hypo, is that why you're so here's what had happened? Jonathan, had gotten a late night tax from his white ex girlfriend disliked. I love you, you know I hope you're doing okay, if there's anything that I could do like. Let me know you know and stuff like that and when I first saw it, I was kind of like taking it back because, like it- was a girl that, like you know, I'd dated in college and
The reasons are we broke up is because both repairs were racists and they were out of her brother. Out of her house what, for dating me, a black man holy shit yeah browsers like history, there you feel being Donovan's eggs ultimately chose apparent over him. I now you later of the betting former from Jonathan's wondering Why is she reaching out? It fell so sure yeah I mean cuz, like I don't know I might just do the only black person that you're having all that Jonathan didn't text her back right away. He wanted to let it will just sit for a bit ways, options. The gratitude and doesn't really have a job right now, because of go of, though, that night Donovan's online schooling for twitter,
I was going to social media and, like you know, you see tweets like you know, posts from like white people who are like posting about the and climate, and you doing do you very like trying to absolve their sins type of way and a lot of time. You see people. Retreating. Those things are repulsing them and saying open your while it so I myself like well beaten, asked opened her while they like job was gonna, ask of extra cash because he was annoyed and it out. To be a little route pages comfort with discomfort, but he still started to write the tanks
as a part of him worried about whether you come of mean or even ruin, the movement for someone who was just trying to get involved in the anvil Donovan's and how a couple of tax about ways you could be a good ally and the author for money, but in a nice way, not in open your wallet kind of way. Then you texted me right. Failure This is too funny dogs. He said yes, you did say yes and how did you say as well to freely in the position of life in our I understand we are coming from and I have dealt with the same thing right so like she was there. Oh honey. I feel bad. You know. Like, maybe a year ago I laid off at my job, and I like you this woman, I I know she offered me a job and double my private
salary. So now I'm good ass, I, I must be nice. Must we not like your like you're, trying to like then if I with my struggle, even going to really get to go into detail about what why dallying off or what was going as you can, while you're late or to a couple years ago, when I make double the salary like what yeah that laughter like the way we laughing you don't really cathartic to me. It's a web laughed about play. And all the other interactions I've been hearing about the last couple of weeks. It's a dark love. It's a sort of one of these white people. Doing love anyways other talking about a new job. Donovan's acts asked about the logistics of spending the money
so she was like. I would like to say something like I don't have cast out of their low, but I have now spoken here pay pal addressed now. You know how I send you something whenever I can so I dropped by pay pal to her and then that in getting tat was just after that I was a he Batman. Accommodation ended but did you send you money matters area, anything it? Oh, she hasn't. Actually I didn't realize that way. So she said yes, after all of that leg, back in full of after all of emotionally we had to do and then she still hasn't set New York. Ass slaves. I want to ask you a like you by the way You pay pal. You like you want do that. I feel bad for Jonathan.
Girlfriend has sent him in annoying text message. He wanted to be cut and cutting, but had ended up, sending a pretty nice response, and then she goes at him. He'd wanted to thank you. Is totally different person from the Jonathan who rolled over when she given into a racist parents, but instead he was like Jolly bound the football he made me think about who Jonathan walls, but I'm in a few years ago, we both just graduated from predominantly white schools, and now here we were too bad man in New York City rebounded super quickly in part, because, felt the same way about the world before you is we'd both been in a sea of white men. Now we were out- and we were-
only trying to make by France will have all our uncomfortable we'd relationships, white people behind us, so Donovan's acts reaching out to him. If I like this relic of relationship, Jonathan used to have a right spaces later ship he'd worked hard to burying forget, had come back in a cage A lot of people had spoken to were probably very similar Jonathan eyes, boldly. What made them likely to get messages like these men had one relationship to wet space and now, even though we had a different one, but white people from their past lives kept trying to drag from back, in I'm sure people of all classes, so my tweet but like at the same time, I getting kind of like a rarefied view of like black people. You know I mean like eating and most leading from the middle class black folks who probably went to college and a lot of people are. I know everyone seems to have experience. It is like navigating white spaces right, and I guess I think, that's part.
What makes this whole discussion. I feel like hard, at least for me, or at least I think I have to think about these interactions. Clearly, because it's like. Just like a lion toe yeah workers, it is like. We have a lot of privilege yeah. You know what I mean life. Not merely asking that girl from colleagues also yellow lights have like parents would like also give me money, and I would like your body that that the air definitely- and I don't know- I think I think a lot about- was people into the right who, I think, a very right. And do I even a lot where it's like? Oh, I can't believe that, like you know the black experience that's being like put out into media right now and
only in June is one other is basically meeting put out by people who, like you, don't Bobby, grew up. Lack went to College David. If you white, girls have been decided to become black again when they laughed oh, my god- oh my god, you're gonna come at me like that. I see, as is not like that. Work and white like that road like in thin, like you like, I feel like a lot of it is like the survival tactics you all you have to like, like the thing about humanity is we need to both feel like we belong like and it's like so painful, to be excluded so either going to four years. It excludes rounding. Anybody really wants to do that, so you yourself in ways that make you would here these social norms of flight? You know, I guess like what middle class values in ways that
we harm, but you don't really feel the hard at the moment because you feel accepted at the moment. You feel like yeah yeah. Now under the fight, one of the things were: flake secular. Like a stress fracture adding odd and adding all go there up and up until a point where you can break and then at that point like what's next like you, are we gonna do now? What are we gonna do now? I don't think anybody really knows me included by the people for whom, the question that is more and more pressing, his white people might be We seem to have no idea what to do all we want either When the answer is very easy, it funny in MILAN days of a drive Alabama this past weekend, as me, my girlfriend drove out of Tennessee into Georgia and then into Alabama my girlfriend told me about these things you ve done recently but during the civil war white people, had all these conspiracy theories for why black people wanted to be free
one of them? Was the reason we wanted to be free was to rape or white women and thus end whiteness? Not you know that we just wanted to be free. It hit me that people why people are incapable of understanding the offer Edam happiness by have happened is by them, but isn't about them. The answer to what we want is new, and over and over again it's been yelled from every black mouth in nearly every major street in, The every major city in the world stop killing us. That's it that's retreat! You should pay attention to.
I always knew seed by IP gave him an if golden. We believe, especially if you put him in any fear, banning damietta Mercury and, if only Jessica, young and me he manage energy. I reckon producer is TIM Howard. We mix by we're goin back checking by. Shall Harris. I, in turn, is these away a fee. Music is by the mysterious big mouth, the cylinder and digital media. Can this episode but mister big mouth, the cylinder, Marianna, Romano and devoured special thanks as episode to I'm all an essay okochee and all the people who got in touch about a demo payments made received or sent It is help familiar pull Green Gabby, Bulger Ready and be a Paca Matt Labour is a private feedback storage unit
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