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from what is required and he gave up and I'm out spoke so a couple years ago a friend was missing from out of town, and you take me to see this play is called perfect crime.
All she really knew about it was that it was a crime, trailer,
So he went to his off Broadway Theatre where the stage or set up like an office and an old, defective story. Big word book shelves in old, persian rug. We sit down in the play, begins:
these- are recording the foreseen
A man is sitting in office listening to a real real recorder, and then this woman barges under the stage
he's wearing a wig, but you can't tell if you're supposed to know that it's awake or not and you normally,
how much time to wonder, because she immediately pulls out a gun and shoots the guy.
and so begins the most bewildering couple hours of theatre I've ever seen in my life? The play. Has the rhythm
The detective story, people
Finding stuff out includes are revealed and accusations are made, but sitting there watching it. I could not follow anything.
In that I didn't know if the play was over my head or really just bad,
PDA made me go see this play. He actually made me, go see it with our producer few Bennett and it is pretty much
bazaars. He describes it, I get leaning,
we're going like. Do you understand? What's going on
She would lean back insane, and so I looked on yelp end.
Internet feels the same way as I do about this way. Here are a couple
reviews that I read on your first, the prows, the seeds have ample leg room.
Emma sets art bad for once at play.
That's everything. That's good about the show, and then
here's another one at the end
the play the audience was so stunned that we didn't know we were supposed to clap until one of the actors took a bow. The appeal
then meted out of pity
And mixed with laughter as we realized,
this awful experience was over. So
I should say I think Yelp reviews are maybe my least favoured part of the internet. They tend to be rich,
this voice, it's like mean and picky and just find fault in everything. But even though I don't
yelp reviews or online reviews at all for that matter. I know that
they're, very powerful, bad helper.
This can destroy somebody's business, and so it is crazy to me that
anything could be so hated online and still survive, particularly
that relies on new people going to see it again and again and again, but my first clue
petty crime might exist somehow
generally outside of the laws of the universe, as I have understood it up to this point came I met
the star of the play. Catherine Russell
I ve never met anyone like
this, how she righted, when I asked her about the bad reviews that I had found on the internet and pretty optimal.
Sick and I am happy with
get up in the morning, so I can't we make adjustment of other people's lives that they want to touch me. I this nothing. I can do about it
I didn't understand like like the yell page-
had it out like a lower starting than the page for Rikers Ireland like it was like riggers had to
Have you got her one? I mean you know it is what
they were so here people are buying tickets.
And this is what is actually crazy about perfect crime perfectly,
has been running nonstop for twenty eight years
It's the longest running play in New York City
Catherine Russell two stars is sharp tongue psychiatrist. Margaret Thorn Brent holds the Guinness World record for doing the same performance more times than anybody else. History
pro 18th one. Eighty seven, it was our first performance and work
As someone who was two years old and ninety seven like what is happening now to seven, how lovely viewpoint that, as of this year, a lie? Music, we're gonna, live
There were no cell phones, really people in have cell phones, no DNA.
Resting really there, certainly no dvds. Yet it was
it was a different time. So what
is going on here. How does perfect crime survive?
this procedure yeah,
is Lonnie. Yes, it is hi. How are you this is Lonnie Price he's a long time, Broadway guy he's been writer and actor director. He knows theatre
and Lonnie said. The fact that perfect crime stays out is especially surprising, because these is even more expensive than most people realize, like even shows that critics
of that audiences symbol of clothes all the time
most shows fail? Most most, it must be
ninety percent or something most fail. Failure is, is
in your inches from failure at all times. It's the odd
the here this place not ahead
revise outside on three different nights once during the weekend, and we never saw the theatre more than a quarter for so how does it
enough money to IRAN monitored the math she'll be
If it's for characters, one said that mean to dismember have stagehands employs
you know I mean I don't know if the actors-
The dollars a week, maybe eight hundred dollars a week, maybe less so saying
maybe their entire budget for salaries is seven thousand dollars a week show, depending on the day the deal they have with
Theodore. If ever we found the theatre they don't have to.
Very many ticket
I would think looking added, it's probably the cheapest show in New York to run. One would think lies.
This could work, but they have to be scrappy. Calves
and it turns out is scrappy, as hell
I came in. He didn't like perfect crime. I think, and he
complained about it and he tried to take money from the
guys were signed the concessions, but was really
Lydia, went and getting into space internal like livery,
What my money back and trying to grab the money was a total asshole?
I got right in his face. It was common. Your buddy, you saw
hey, you, don't get out of Here-
but why do they worked for a play that so confusing when you
the theatre, your hair,
Seventeen point frequently asked questions list about the story that you just watched it.
His questions like who
old whom and what was the painting, Catherine
did not write this play so why
she chosen to devote her life to keeping it running
Doing the same play every night, a performances away,
ginseng same mind every night
all those gimme faced on it
yeah. It's terrifying, its typifying
most actors. You know
they do a year in something they want to kill themselves in anything
who periods of mounting a really bad couple months. You know it's a little bit better, but years
Catherine Roy, wouldn't put it this way. But from my perspective,
like those years doing perfect crime of castor, for instance,
when she started the play
There's a guy issue saying I was engaged to somebody else
he got pretty disgusted set. Is it
perfect crime ruined his life was
like how is it ruining as life at the time, because it's no fun being married,
an actress who does who does a week? You haven't I.
You have no weekend
to go away. You can't go out on date, diet
Friday or Saturday night. You can go up out with
couples or go to the movies. Like I'm always working, I get home at eleven o clock on Saturday night, and would he come into play a couple,
I guess maybe and then and then, but we broke ups like probably after like too
a year and a half or two years, caverns
take vacations. She hasn't take six days. She hasn't Michel, as there is no
performance on nine eleven, but only because it having to be on their day off their back the day after
and the data gathering mom died, she found out
after a matinees showing a perfect crime. She still did the evening. Chow
Catherine says that she gets her work ethic from her dad.
He was aware who died while Catherine was still pretty young she's just twenty she,
I saw him and he loved her when he was a tough critic in college.
When she tried to force regarding desire and got a call back for the part of Stella she found.
But the Good NEWS and his
a question was why she hadn't gone the role of Blanche. It was always like back and then he was like gets.
Days it gets her days, went on in a class. You get Nay plasma at all. If I says he was like what do they call the tiger mom? He was like that and he really instilled in us no matter what you do. Do it well caverns user, real picture of her down on the stage it's been there, the whole time place run and you
that he be proud of her, because even though
accordingly internet perfect crime is a one and a half starved play
she thinks of it as a success. Most people-
be able to keep a play going for years and years and years?
This is not how actors usually defined success
it feels weird to be a performer and not be a crowd pleaser
and told me that her least favorite part of performing is the curtain call at the end.
When you come out, everybody claps for you who needs
two strangers telling you you're good, I will tell you who needs it
when I was talking to Lonnie happen, dimension just off handedly that he likes reply all as upon cast
I take care of by the way I love the shall only gonna think you are you kidding adore it. I can't tell
much will have a pizza. It says everything that you need to know about use a human being. I we gotta think
hold on. Let's just play. It were more time just so that people can soak up if no one else secondary it's a sort of any milliseconds of anything he rigour or so
beautiful it is out of a person who feeds off human validation fighting.
Source, I mean
If I'm being honest, I am
totally the same way like I
my favorite website. Twitter is basically just a game where you try and see how many stars of approval you can get from people on the internet,
you and me just had a twenty minute conversation about whether we should respond to someone who's allowing mean about the show on Twitter or whether we should just be strong and confident enough people to let it go. No, it wasn't in that it was whether it would whether it makes
like crazy d out somebody or not. I go wasn't like whether we should be healthy. It was whether we should try to look healthy or
joy looking mad and then Peter.
Like will how, but I just hate, feed him
which I actually still think we should do
we ve been a year of our lives obsessed with trying to get more fun
where's that each other on Twitter and I commissioned a musician name, Matt Farley, to write a song telling people not to follow you. Lots of things is a cat in it. They lay their eggs, beaten Wireless Alex okay. So if
had gone to choose the personality I was born with. I probably
we have chosen to be somebody who cares less about what other people think
but on the other hand, if you are born with this affliction performing,
What kind of seems like the right job cuz it is. You make something you look at people's responses. If they don't like it, it drives you crazy. You try to make it better and somewhere in that cycle, you hopefully make good entertainment,
and that is basically what made this whole conversation with. Catherine, so confusing is that.
Is it. I assumed that she was the same as us,
no matter how many times I reminded her that some people many b,
and I don't like her play. I ve never met.
Care to its confusing play. Some people really like that some people, don't
There's not one play that everybody in the world is going to love, but this
You see if they are people, don't love like a two. What I say other people have liked. It
right, but you could I mean if you wanted to you to do a different pay. People would hate at him.
People, and my favorite place three sisters by check off. I love that, like us people alike, but oh, oh boy, that play
sure, but anyway, I should find a play that more people will like. I mean
How would I do that? Why would I mean take a pole? Smaller peoples had harbour, expect perfect crime and say what you like me to do another playing like now. We hate you end up like you can't
your life trying to make everybody happy. I try to make the people I care about happy, ok, but complete strangers
I try to make them happy, but if I can't I look up our producer
he abandoned Ass Catherine, a question that had not occurred to me to ask: is it really good? I have no idea, so you don't feel like this.
Is the best play. That's ever been written and therefore no it's something that the best play. That's ever been written between their great great great place. This is not one of them. This is it's fun to do. My mother said it was the stupidest play she that receives it doesn't matter
stands a super play. Everything happens off stage, but this is the plan to support your daughter.
Friend Sancho the star of perfect crime. She does pretty much everything at the theatre
This is her hand. People take it to the box office mom.
Before she specific on state. Can I help you hurt like three great blue people, tat you that
I've got no living on you. You said you realise there you go
sailor, so I take out the garbage and if somebody throws up by help clean it up, and you know that the toilet stopped up, we stop. I like doing all of that
She starts her day at five: a dot m, she's, answering emails, she's, doing press request, she's booking actors, she's talking to sponsors. She is never not moving
when we were done talking, I answer
If you just sit still for one minute, while
accorded the sound of the empty theatre. For me is that we look at her court like a minute of room down
she looked so uncomfortable.
We actually had to start over because Catherine could not sit still. She taken her shoes off during the interview and she started trying to quietly put them back on. Having think feels weird forget,
Is it still because she literally never dies and in fact Catherine says that the poor
itself. The thing that we're obsessed
and the world sees an internet hates that play is just
a little sliver of her day. It's her down time, so it
getting on stage breeze right.
Actually really good and nobody can. You know I mean I can't I'm I'm on safe from most of the time in the show, so like I've been checking my email like model.
It's a during the show. I can't there's no way. I have time to email, anybody or text anybody ceptin intermission. So it's like it's like blissful actually to have that time.
Zero tolerance and the first thing I get.
Shoot somebody six times, so whatever crap is haven't we turn it. I am, I think it's great. Let's out whatever gravest like healthy right is going to read it all out.
I cannot do performance number, eleven thousand, seven hundred and ninety two of perfect crime. I mean I, I know it
basing the universe. You I'm in the Guinness Book of World records and am above the world's tallest horse expert,
there's a picture of the horse, but I don't get a picture.
While the rest of us spend our day screwing around on earth, wondering
for smart or pretty or talented enough, Catherine Russell.
She is like the sun, Iraq
as every day and powers itself, it doesnt read its yelp reviews, there's too much to do.
There's not enough time to think about stopping coming up after the break. Literally since the dawn of time, people have asked each other one question which is, of course
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Peter, more thing yes Alex you nor Buddy met Farley. Yes,
he's written eighteen thousand songs. Their Alan's modify, yes
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First sign journalism, sure if no standards, I've no standards for him.
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