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It's just a quick language advisory for this episode throughout the course of her
Reading the story, every single person, both hosts and guests, used the word barter when they meant bargain. We know that it's wrong, we won't do it again, please don't malice
for it in Georgia from gimlet. This is reply. I know its hope and I'm he gave up our aid scheme for me to put on my Khakis lays out my loafers and crawl under some his desk, because his time for super export,
or if you do so, here's the deal purity, yes
I got an email from woman named LISA Libby. She,
is she wears the college, but in her spare time she is a young adult writer in
a website that she had made to basically promote her writing Elisa Libby Doc?
very natural makes sense, yes
Sir LISA Elisa
how are you? How are you I am good? Will? First of all, could you do me a favor and just tell me what
And with so Elisa email me and said what would you say to a person who
that is done, the ultimate stupid thing so filing wow, so
LISA Heavens website she had it professionally design.
Many moons ago, when it was
oh really hard to design
website, so she had someone design it for her. I html days yes, but it was Sir clunky.
In difficult to use, so she targeting notices from go daddy and she was just like fine, this thinking expire, but the thing
the cheating, quite understand what would happen when you let your domain
spire. I think she just assumed that the site- it's
would go away, but nothing would happen to the domain name like she can come back to whenever she wanted
saying. No. She didn't think that are no. That's not what happens. I'm saying
you believe in the past was not true right. It didn't occurred at me that, like now
by your l is out there and I rate yet why a novel, though, like any teenager who clicks on that laying like now, I'm afraid of where they will end up and I'd, feel whore?
herbal. Suddenly there's this website out there, which is her first and last name, which is being.
Used by some other person and her big fear they
he was like at any moment suddenly Elisa lobbied outcome could become some kind of porn site yeah. That's not what happened
What happened was immediately after her domain expired. It was just bought and then, while I can just show you what it looks like when it when we just
website, why? Ok, we would you care to do
This is a great scale website. All the text is in, I think, japanese, Japanese and then there's happy looking white man who wearing a tuxedo and daffing his top hat, which is where
that is so funny and in the graceful pictures are of eyes. So I translated this.
Used to Google translate and it's kind of hard for me to figure out exactly what it's about, but it's about web market
all in all a calves that the time just says, disadvantages of websites
getting and then report as there is a disadvantage to web marketing. It's funny
It's like spam to about spam during any that it spam. That's decrying spam, our
yeah, that's good. I appreciate their sense of irony, this japanese speaking spammer and, of course, we ve talked
Something like this in the show before there's this whole class of people who make a living buying,
websites, when they expire and
often selling them back to the previous owners at hugely inflated prices, and it can get very tense and very ugly, and you don't know who to trust. You might remember previously reply all so
this email from him- and it says we now received an unsolicited offer from a brand protection agency for this domain for seven thousand five hundred bucks. We said: okay, eight thousand, that's more, he says okay, then he goes back to them and he said that offers ten. So now we're in a bidding war.
Have thousands of dollars to buy a domain and be she thinks that its gross to pay someone a bunch of money for something that she basically things was stolen.
Billing questions to the owner about that domain, because the price
the domain to skyrocket. So
Getting your domain back can be tricky and Elisa, didn't know what to do.
And the thing about Elisa, is a she doesn't have thousands of dollars to buy a domain and be she thinks that its gross to pay someone a bunch of money for something that she basically thinks was stolen.
From her. What does a reasonable price I like to you? I didn't have to answer. I I'd be willing to pay
Fifty dollars that probably very lame, isn't it I mean
It's my dont know so lame. Here's what I was thinking nor
brand new domain costs like ten bucks right yeah. So
if you say to this guy, who snatched
your domain, like look I'll, give you a hundred dollars you're, giving
ten times as investment yeah there
I'm sure there are very few other Elisa Libya's out there trying to get the Elisa Libby Dotcom. I would be very surprised if there were
ok, I think I'd be ok with a hundred. Could you
barter agar barter on my behalf Lake or you just gotta,
Hey a hundred, take it or leave it! Oh, I will barred if it
you see what I can do, I obviously I'm not know for my bartering skills,
we'll see what happens. My plan was actually pretty simple are just going to
you figure out who on the website, so that I could to an end,
on around this auction sites and just appeal to that person's bet.
Nature to sell it back to Elisa at a reasonable price. Okay, so one of the
ways to find out who owns a website is to go to what is called a who is record.
It's a record is associated with every website on the internet, and its supposed to tell you who owns the website is like a deed for a website. Kind of
the problem is that a lot of them are either inaccurate or they are just protected. So you can't see
who owns them, but that wasn't the case with the person who bought Elisa levies website
it was a gentleman named Menachem hugger who lives in Singapore.
They have a phone number, it did really it had a phone number and address and
I looked up Menachem hugger on the internet
a common aim or non hominem he's the only one I found her and it looked as though he was a japanese speaker based on his facebook.
Is Menachem together,
we do have the right number: yeah, yeah, ok, but he's not therein.
Ok, I will try back later. Thank you very much.
She said so suspect she sounds like those
suspect, she's unsuspicious settled. I met she sound so suspicious because it do just collar, not
explaining what he wanted asking about. Somebody do you know how stressed out that would make if that happened here
Portugal is, are calling for more very far away. Yeah, I don't know I
I would become interested assuming I know not be interested. I've seen that like anxious way you crawl through the world, you don't like me,
someday understand it's probably good and interesting.
for you knew what was going on. You just be mad. You would really how'd you get this number, so
we are really getting in the weeds here, no you're, so
weird so Menachem was
There are, however, was not just forging ironic and I'm gonna get bogged down in this monopoly. Cargo is not there, but I knew at the right number.
Cited. Try calling back a couple days later, once the time difference that
difference is well. It was before
daylight saving so was thirteen hours there. Thirteen hours ahead of us is so when do you
all because if you call in it, I was calling
at six, a m
impression that they would be probably at their house a Europe where you weigh up early to do that. Yes- and I woke
Ever early several times, the next time I I called this is what.
I all I'm trying to reach Menachem Hugger and no.
No matter how high is not there. I knew where do you talking about you
happy you're that websites. Yes,
we have already said good bye. Thank you
I am trying to I'm trying
to buy a website. Oh you mean you want. I
our website, not your website?
a website? Yet? Ok, thank you.
I'd say that is owned by a whole hugger? Could you
May I ask you: what is the evil in full? At the only document? Zombie,
be zero m. Be I e yes info at zombie that net yet ok, thank you. Thank you
you didn't say hello, so why
what it's a human being. So why is this? Is this?
tire thing to be about how I'm a weirdo here here, you're like you
Nerd Detective, Alex Golden like you to shove, you're like I'm here about a website yeah, I'm like the worst, Philip Marlowe yeah. If I can be perfectly honest with you,
all nerves I find it really idea inducing deals- are nervous, good, sound gravy. Well, that's not the
if I had to choose between the two cut as a tough car nervous creepy.
Sounding thing. I'm go creepy relay here. We are once again
Now this is that man is that we're going down a rabbit, the rabbit halls where we go. So
invalids I'll, be that way now, guy website design website does I
I say hello, America, so
in, for example, I emailed it and
it's not! Really! Milk has really it's not real. I think that that was like legitimate language barrier, a guy trying to get me off the phone. I think I miss her.
And he was just like yes, fine go way, so I knew that if I was gonna do this I needed to actually get the services of an interpreter, so I contacted I caught or whose helped us in the past and I as a total saint, because
Basically, I was like here's. What we need to do. We need to wake up every morning at six, a m up up causing afore
in the hope of reaching Mannahatta, so this is this morning this morning. Yes, ok, this
is six thirty in the morning. I think this is attempt number seven or eight. You sell your budget,
record a ghost.
winning today is the day. I can feel that I am a bit
Yet it has to me,
thanks so much for doing this gimme, just a second, I'm just going to get this guy's number in here and then we'll get Mccall decent. I'm tired your voice, like thirty active lower, I was exhausted her we're doing all that we can see how the thunder shopper
he came up. The matter can be a door. Newborn NEO gotta get data industry the more
at the city. I know it's funny, three o clock on the money, but I get a dirty money to funding through riding up
Furthermore, I at all-
maybe if you heard it but she's, just action just asked about the domain LISA Libya play before you at all out inside it
the common market today about Mr Duhamel industry. The law are you shot Elisa, having studied either
the poverty written Wunnot assembled here? Ok now.
I should note that,
as you know, were big fan of hold music in this office. Yes, I prayed
Lee in a previous who protects where I found the best hold music. Yes, this is the worst old music way
home all music, we impose people, hold I'm gettin there, okay, so
put us on hold, and this is what I heard
but you know the sun: what is the sign of brown bread? I hate this. I am so with you. This is the worst all these.
Like a parade and how ok so
turns out the gentlemen that we are talking to us, not Menachem hugger. Really,
Yes, here's the deal
You remember how, in the episode that we referred to earlier, the their weapons where we are trying to do.
Informed at Org website. We eventually ran into a guy. Who's name is Michael Perkins who sold me
a hundred websites a year, but they are all very high value yeah. So Michael Perkins is like a big shot in the domain world, but Menachem haha.
You can think of him, a sort of like the owner of a giant thrift store because he flips this equation. He buys websites that
pretty low value, but he buys thousands of them. Ok,
so he's the honor of about eleven thousand domains. Ah
Who is this like one of his guys? This is someone who worked for him and that's why why we hold music,
I'm calling an office, not harmonize rakers, its nay time there. I can hear.
Their people offers yanking here people in the background other Pike S.
For other domain name, a thirty eight kinda,
took on who, should I know a good one? I will do it for you to go on a system. We will see the cup.
I move that she- and I say to you- is to be here to people
taking he say, hey how you gonna cutting them. You were studied it. U S dollars hate it paper. It Alex! Yes,
sure he said began by four hundred dollars by people. That's great, ok can you
is. Did you try and barter with him at all? Is there anyway, we can go cheaper than that
Could she got out when you sure she's bartering, she asked her. She could be weakened
for any cheaper omen to hire my feet high,
hundred dollar. Ok, it's a deal
so we got the domain back from hunger
what's happening. Now is in a couple hours they're going to they're going to issue an authorization code that
Allow me to transfer the domains of ownership and when I wanna do is
As for the domains, ownership to Elisa and then redirect Elisa levied our come too
tumblr page of you and me with that says: we got your domain.
Why do you want to do that? Because then I can get her on the phone and say I can you go look at your website and it will be a nice surprise.
It is also for grandma thing of all our thinking that we could like we,
You like Hulk, Hogan muscles like we're.
These days. The look on your visit amazing
like you hire somebody to vex, something for you. They fix it, but like they're so proud of themselves.
They're, like hey, I found the car book
as well as brave. My pezara cause I'm the best- and this is definitely about me
give the lady opening bag.
Can write yourself, an ode when you make a tumblr page whenever here
So yeah, I'm really proud of this one. You have
we obvious. Why can't you just say good job?
Because you said do such a good job saying it to yourself.
Pay, we were able to negotiate this painful divorce settlement for you, and also I wrote a song about what a great lawyer I am. There are a lot of times our report.
This leads us down blind alleys and we never get anywhere in this field.
Like getting somewhere and I feel really happy about it. That's totally fair.
You should get it
yeah. You know it, you don't deserve to be on the webpage. I'm gonna do myself go because
and the only person who ever congratulates beyond anything you could get back.
its golden, how are you good? How are you I'm good?
So are you at a place where you can
open up police, let me now come just take a look at it. I went tank,
LISA. I got your website
The photo of my smiling face like
so am I
pray so thankful for
repudiate hey. We should make a website where we are smiling on it and say we got your website back and he was like you're such a narcissist. Why don't? We just give her her domain back? You weird like, don't you think they'll be funny at now? I think it's funny. Ok
great yeah? That's what I wanted to hear. I am really excited to prevent in his face it. It's I e and free
it will, as it would be confusing. Maybe four people expecting
a young adult author and instead seeing someone, still smiling
when I actually barring a predominantly like it will kite. It might inspire me to actually put something here. You know that my
think about my book. Elisa Libby is the author of the novelist, the kings rose in the blood confession and the owner of police are levied outcome. If you want to see what releases website used to look like or if you want to see my grinning maniacal face
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Do you remember? Last year we invented holiday yeah. How could I forget? I we
Is it a holiday? That's like a big fat is the type of thing you remember yeah. So do you want to remind you what it was?
We invented a holiday and to be perfectly fair, I think that
was mostly your invention because it speaks to
The problem that I have your deepest anxieties called email debt forgiveness day. It is
thirty of and it is a day where you are allowed- to send an email, no matter how late it is as though no time has passed. So if you
or ten months overdue, on an email on April thirtieth email, debt forgiveness day,
consent that EU male- no apologies, no apologies- knew of guilt
when you think about who you want a message. I know that
this day, I'll garrison, email or type messenger whatever. Who did like what comes to mind for you, like
What is what has been festering for you? My fourth grade teacher, MRS Lothar wow. She was super cool
She like recognised in me, things in my.
Personally, I think are so fundamental that, like I and no one else really recognised at the time lag. Why, like my obsession with like dumb pop culture and in a north grave
She like encouraged me to sort of go down those rabbit holes. Little bitch encouraged me when I likewise
I was really in the rolling stones at the time she is like yeah here's a book by throwing stones, you should read
upon them and learn all about their outcomes and viable bubble. Blah has varied and she was great
and generally every couple
years, or so I will send an email witches like hey just want to let you know I am how I'm doing what I'm up to her.
Who was the last person email between the two of you like did she's anyone Yvonne you are dragging? Were she sent me an email which are a sort of
bonds to mine, which is like this is what I'm up to it so good to hear from you and probably asked a couple questions I she I haven't spoken her sons, reply all started. Why not got it's like
usually the the emails that you send an email debt forgiveness. They are the ones that require a lot more brain power and emotion than the stuff that you dance
after a normal day. So, like I'm every time I m like, I should sit down a right that I don't have the energy for it. So who are you said plenty and sending something too?
You know I actually have a lot of. I have a lot of people where
so I'm really weird over email, which is to say, like I won't answer, but then all answer like friends,
people's eyes. He mounted advice about doing passing stuff
a lot of times, I'll just be too busy. I want you back and then, like the fourth person, are sent from six paragraph essay development. I think they should do and it's very intense, aiming theirs
rise and then maybe I thank you and one more question and if my comp efforts up again so it actually like to just do clean
on a bunch of times where I am,
like a really motion, Bang forthwith, the person and then like didn't, actually just finish it. I think it would be very confusing to be, on the other hand, that yeah yeah yeah, it's not like you.
In the fade away. Now it's like I'm coming on to strong and then disappearing Heather's. Actually,
bunch of those names, are anything about my stomach, asserting that leg vinegar
and actually saw my worst dad, isn't even email, like voicemail voicemail, really bad
I have three hundred eighty four and listen to voice mouse. Think F, eighty five and eighty five voice, males and socially
and a lot of them are just from my grandmother who I know has just gonna, be like call me back sweetie. I love you, which is great, but I can just call her back, but you in a voice, voicemail ray.
I actually have a solution for that I found this act is free. App called Novi. Am the disabled
smell, so not getting any more stuff there every day
that gives you disable your phone is like yes, yes, I did well what happens when the desert just never pick up. It rings forever
ok so last year, when we did everything that, for you to say it turned out to be exact
for people in a way that we hadn't really in dismay. They got on the grid rise. How many people had the same problems that we do
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