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group. A british scientists me to talk about this problem. They call the silence in the sky the meetings always close to the public but I talked to the scientists who attends his names were had been said. It's closed group in the sense that its academics, who are interested in searching for extraterrestrials. You must be aware that it's a slightly The wall sort of topic- and as a consequence, we feel the need to be very careful about, the origin, so that we can have sensible and genuinely scientific discussions. You want to keep it academic, because if you down it's gonna, be people or be like. I know that there is such a life. It talks to me day or whatever yeah. I had lunch with one yesterday or whatever right so in September, train fifteen they gotta have their annual meeting this time, it's in Leeds warm Hearty day, but that year something was different,
This russian tycoon had come out of nowhere to announce a new initiative, one during million dollars in funding to search for extraterrestrials. This is a huge deal because there is no money in setting research. This is something that all these procedures, scientists just do on the side and more than that, this tycoon he's pissed difficulty was offering a lot of money to whatever group who come up with the best message to send two aliens This would be a message, though, be broadcast using interstellar radio signals that could reach light years and light years away, not some dinky little probe like Voyager, a message that can actually get picked up. So they have their meeting, and somebody asked the obvious question: do we the Uk Sadie research network Wanna partition? Do we think this is a good idea? Should we send a message outer space and how he did was a discussion I mean come on. In a way bricks. With its probably measures.
By the degree of interruptions light now, that's wrong. You don't get people standing waving, their arms around parliament replied, but arguments were intense right from the start. There whole section of people who are convinced that reaching out to areas with the worst possible idea astronomer Alan Penny was there and he says that the no argument is pretty simple, just imagine or in a jungle beer in jungle. I think that my colleagues are you want to tiptoe! Maybe you understand real still. They want to talk loudly Digital were and, if its master might say, who come and kill you. It gets worse. According to Doktor Andrew Sandberg, the groups present philosopher, if does want to kill you, you got its very likely, but they encounter smaller civilization in the milky way is prevail.
A few million years older than ask, so we wouldn't Dunbar chance if they wanted to do something bad or just if they wanted to say oh, we need to tell you the Good NEWS about Lord Sorghum and you need to read these pamphlets and believe what we build. The all this story, Human history will get repeated one last time we'll be the natives wiped out by foreign explorers they might use. Users way we're all picturing or maybe they'll do by accident they'll plant there favorite alien flower and it'll take over the whole ecosystem. The point as it will be Christopher Columbus. Oliver again, he said this time our last dying thought We that we brought this on ourselves. We sent a message inviting them to come. That feels, like a good reason to not send a message, but our an argument against us he's like guys, come on you're being so naive. If you really think that these aliens are so smart and so deadly, it doesn't matter,
he sent a message or not. They will find us if they want to kill us We ve already, given them enough of an opportunity to here's how to work with listening stations right now, they'll send us a message we'll get it it'll. A great message: Romanians cure for cancer will open it up. So everybody some people were good. You don't hit it This cure for cancer at this will spread and everybody will get gonna kill me. Turns out of ten years later at what he dropped dead there. So the message might contain a bar settler. Sir listening could be dangerous. And this brings us to the argument for why we should send a message. Alan says: yes, if he ain't, gonna kill us, they're gonna kill us he says sending a message is worth it because the aliens could also save us. He actually he kept saying that he takes.
The horrible thing that could happen newspaper. They also save us and I kept going to save us from white. And finally, he told me what you say I don't know. Fundamental level is I do think Charles for human rights is not good enough that long. There are many ways in which we can destroy ourselves. In some famous scientists, say the zone of it. Jobs are going survive the next hundred years. If you don't stop, nuclear war than theirs biological weapons. If we survived that there's global warming is also dangerous. Facing human race which could destroy us, both jobs lost laughing and expulsion is so if you can contact with them. Eighty witches, which is about all this say. Well, yet we faceless Brussels and here is how we survived to send a message out, and you response, you might say the human race.
When all the scientists in the conference room other piece, the UK, sorry, research network decided it was time just take about right, then right there. On paper, sending a message: hands went up, turned out, half the room agreed without guess absolutely opposed. Half the handwriting half the room. That's any message was completely reckless there exactly split Anders the phosphates, Everybody knew his kind of offence at her. He voted twice once in favour, one supposed and weirdly the group that had start all this. The russian billionaires group that had all the money for the message they We came to the same decision. They decided like a bunch of messages to think about what kind of message to send aliens, but they couldn't there is a good idea to send them either and to their also holding. And that's for the last two years with science, just agonising over a message that they can decide whether or not the honest and the thing is, though,
otherwise scientists are two thoughtful or over thank ye to contact aliens. It leaves a vacuum and other people feel that vacuum I talk to them. My name's, not Byron, and so my dogs just wanted So avoiding me off, I think, keeping system and make it happen Yes, I was, I say so, a few years ago, man, his friend John we're super broke and they heard that Fredo's was willing to pay twenty thousand pounds to the person who you come up with a degree. Those at that It could beam into space, so he made one of her bottle. Whiskey in one night in Maths, crummy apartment, starring, Matt, anyone for somebody who hasn't seen the ad like what is a story the I like what happened in it away? Essentially, a guy comes home with Pocket Chris. Three days he
he asked opens the mob lays down in that I think he's the one without the written fur for a couple of minutes, but whilst it out of the room they essentially come out come to light, they climb out of pocket. I'm not. She watched cyber vanity do came out of the packet yeah they climb out of pocket there. So as tech ritual dance around the South Park, then opens, and then one of the single territories of ritual is office himself to the south and then others, then I return and kind of finishing off. It's almost like you're, that saucer God or something You return in you reach into the richly sacrifice, also and take out the Japanese at a thing, ass kind. Yeah how I ended up the day. After met when the contest Doritos put a monoplane
flew into a norwegian island where the eyes CAT European Space Station is house just picture two giant radar domes pointed the sky. They put the control room. They made him where Doritos T shirt and it ought to hit a button. He does, and this add with mats face in it, is shot out towards Ursa Major for the consumption of aliens, which is terrifying. Let us stop might be so It would be the first thing I would say what do you mean like there? There is proper polarizes triangular things the colors ruled by this godly human mass will. Not only that I mean my them. I've probably thought about this too much spend the week that I've been having, but like yeah, this story that you'd be telling them is, you know, on the planet where this transmission is from. There is a b
of creatures who are triangular. You know cod, the call Doritos read Apps like to read out, and I and there like another species that, like murders, they consume them. That species. Is you personally yeah absolutely could imagine someone saying this and being like. We have to mount a rescue mission. The earth at you save these creatures, yeah. Well, I thought happens. You're unhappy tonight. Just put myself. Are there in baking? and imprison May or may not be, or the alternative is that that they might turn up and want to try these these Doritos and then
Imagine the brands and there the advertising agency, that being like me nail their like guinea, that the first offering that kind of that. You know that moment whether the doors open in the president tromp hands than I also surrender package cooled retires would be caught in the meeting scenario at sea in its very depressing way. So what this means is that, if there's intelligent life in the universe, intelligent life is pay attention. Here we are what they now know about us is that we really like a taste of cool ranch, trainers and actually is worse than that. Here's another message: recent them we send them an audio recording. Of the sound of a ballerinas vagina, contriving because a guide MIT felt like there weren't enough representations of human reproductive systems in space. Additionally,
They got this message from a bunch of russian teenagers. This is private project, were teenagers pick their favorite ferryman size I think, because there's an idea that there remains or siphoned, music and so aliens will probably like them just like stereotyping, perhaps the worst that we send them, in my opinion, is something that Anders told me about it. With an average Fraid local theatre event it was. First Klingon language Oprah, the four click on language opera. Yes, after all, the Klingon language may Doc budgeted for STAR Trek gear movies. Well, there The community is very active in the making it more of a language developing it and doing art in its, so they developed an opera and somebody got
The assembly that towards Arcturus with a radio message on the invitation of opening this, isn't it we wanted the aliens to get something that I cannot. Imagine any being no matter their culture, nor matter their brain, not viewing as a declaration of war. And if we miss all these messages, we also broadcast the entirety of the movie the day the earth's did still we sent them messages from a defunct social media. I called Debo at one point somebody for some reason sent em all the classified listings from Craigslist. I would not have chosen any of this. None of this represents me. All it does is made me feel very very.
Barriers to be a human. At a certain point, I tell you I wanted was finally one message: we sent the din, maybe you just want to crawl into a hole and die and that time at Martin Marshall, Louis producer, writer and humorist, Martin Louis, like everybody else, I talk to you, for some reason is Although he axes of the United States- and the only thing you need to know about Martin Louis sales are real, big beetles fan. I was playing around one day and I remain notice, but we would coming up to the fortieth anniversary of the recording of a song across the universe, and the philosophy of the song always spoke to me of what is the fossils, the sign for people? That is more words in that saw more verses and more words
and the other John Lennon Song. It was kaleidoscope of images and it was just a notion, votes the power of love, but not the romantic love, but just a feeling of love, but that was the most powerful message you could have said to be also, in my opinion, not the best Pisan. Nobody asked me anyway. Martin Gun hundred NASA and the guy at last. I was being too, I told him the idea. Why should I want to take the beetle song across the universe across the universe? He? Yet it could be done. We ve never done it, but if it could be done more and try to get permission to use the song Yo Yo. She loved the idea, and she wrote a beautiful tribute. That said something this is about short version. That said, this is great. That John and the Beatles music will now go out to reach billions and billions of planets across the universe. Meanwhile, I been got a message from poor. Just it great idea give my love to the aliens
and I come to contact the music publishing company who shall be nameless because I don't want to embellish solely spots. The guy I spoke to there was completely soulless joyless, humorless said well, if you're sending a radio signal of one of compositions. Then you have to avoid too has to be pay. I had we been, despite the fact that we have already, but you can click the worthy, but you have to come back to yourself. Eventually, more was able at everybody on board and when the big day came, he got to be there. He was at mission control at the jet propulsion laboratories impasse in California in the lunchroom. It was like mission control in APOLLO thirteen. There was this beautiful room and it was set up with all the scientists- and there was a big logo but NASA Logo, the Beatles Logo and the words across the universe. And when these.
Do the countdown and then they had play. I mean it. Would then, in that room, in the control room with all these NASA people. Did you hear the song, or is it like its being sent over waves or something like that? Soon? We will both. We had to wait at that point. They did it press the button, a yes. The mp3 file was being transported, transmission. And then finally time you fool proof. I did play the song in that room and again I really had, it was emotional work as a person who is very glad the Martin send this message. I still cannot guarantee. There was a good idea. I do not know what a beetle song is gonna be into an alien, but maybe the when these messages is not actually what aliens think about business is that were sending someone who may not exist. Who we are.
We do not expect a response from which Maybe we should just think of them more like we think, a prayers, because if you think them as prayers message that are offering hope and comfort to the people who send them. Then at least a lot of them make more sense. You step into the silence, and you say something and you dont get an answer, but that's it hey because just saying it, it does something to you like afterwards, exact same silence is still there, but now that silence fuels different. You feel less alone and we use that standard. I really like Martens message It's just sending a message of like love and british Rock in the universe.
And I think that's how Martin sees it too, because when he heard that there are scientists who thought sending a beetle sighing out had been a bad idea, he was an offended. I just didn't even makes sense to him at first. I thought it was a hoax and once I realise there were people, I'm crazy serious about it. I did remember the hey: that's what we were fighting, against in the nineteen sixty is the kind of small minded Blue, Meaney Spirit? A few days later I ran into Yo Colonna, and she said: did you read about
those Bianca yeah you is that crazy? What if they were aliens? They are going to have a spark of a spark of spirit and you might be, and when you listen to great music, I think you're gonna be full of admiration that some creatures from another planet sent a message out there that if they could deciphered or just listen to the harmonic vibration of it is positive. It's not aggressive it. Doesn't it's not threatening them with anything, it's surrounding them with love and that's not a bad little sentiment to send across the universe.
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What did you find out? I tell you about one more tickler anymore from a woman named Kelly, so you might actually know the first part of the story. Kelly was in the news recently. So you can all understand your goals and how to achieve them together and Whatever your next project is a sonnet can help reduce the busy work that waste your time from small companies to global enterprises. More than a million teams across a hundred and ninety five countries get work done with Sata, learn more try us for free visit, assign a dot com to get started. That's a S day. Dotcom pages before we start. The second have the show. There is a brief description of sexual assault in this segment. If that's the kind of thing you wanna hear, you should give it. Ok, Yes, so
this Sunday is a email debt forgiveness day, which everybody knows is the holiday, where, if you have put off an email to someone, does matter how much its ban did is email them as if no time has passed and after forgive you, we asked people if you have an email at your struggling with we'd like to hear about it, sent a female and producer Damietta Murky, who is in the studio with his right now hello. Yes, I am high, he went, you all of the emails have you received and, you know. What did you find out? one email in particular an email from a woman named Kelly. So you might actually know the first part of this, Kelly was in the news recently, for this really does serving thing that happened, her she's a runner. She didn't training for a marathon air. On that particular day, which was March fat. I had a ten mile when I was a Sunday
afternoon, and I ran down to golden gardens, witches Popular Park and Beach in Seattle. She stops to use a public bathroom swashing her hands, and I was there A guy like that feeling of light something's wrong. I turned around And there was a homeless man behind me and I was completely cornered any kind of came out me like I, like a bear. You threw me down to the poor Turn me onto my gun beyond my stomach. Had my left arm hand arm with point my pants, and I had just taken self defense where they teach us like. If you can be more trouble to your attack her, then he perceived to be worse than that can help you escaped. So I was trying to show him like I'm not afraid of you like. You should be afraid of me, and I was screaming not today, mother, Fucker, Earl, he'll kill. You like. I was so mad. She
herself away and runs out in the bathroom, and there are some people out rush over to help her one of those got a carabiner which they used to lock. The attacker in the bathroom to Tiger goes to jail and Kelly she's rushed to the hospital a couple of days later she posts on Instagram about it happened to her and the news picks it up in any goes viral like it's it's everywhere a woman says she was able to fight off a man who was a shocking instagram posts, sending chills an inspiration to women everywhere. It shows the men Kelly starts getting hundreds message, Most of them are people saying you're a hero. You did was amazing, then there's like a subsections says like maybe ten percent of the emails are people who are like you should have been carried a gun or another weapon, or there are some people like trying to promote their prey.
Ex through her so there's like they're like we're sending you a free body, scrub tag is on the gram highly fuckin obnoxious, and then the last group of people are people. Who have experience like sexual sar sexual abuse emailing heard like share their story or like say that she was an inspiration. To them in some way the tiller to take on yeah. So when people started writing to me, I was replying to all of that. A letter just became impossible to manage and it was becoming really overwhelming instruct for- and I was like
the trauma of what I went through. I couldn't function normally you're here body it doesn't, let go, doesn't move on physiologically or mentally when she view would she just care respond with his emails anymore, but behind her I hope it doesn't sound like I'm, not grateful for that. Incredibly grateful and I love that people like you want to connect with me now that I'm I'm dead. Realize how much better I feel by walking away, I feel You and there's other which is like not really escaping these messages, like they're they're, just clogging every avenue of her lifelike. The Good Instagram and see her friends new kid and you know she's, there's like four hundred
unread messages on her out Instagram inbox, it's like having like like when something happens in and like all news media like descent on Sundays. Lawn like it's exactly, but just with the way should like virtually experience, her community ray and at one point in our possession, she just makes, like this off hand, Joke he went to relocate in Elsinore on for me. Would that be what you did? like would do you wish someone would come in and respond to them like? Is that an accounting that you would like to hear tat? I have never, yes, absolutely absolutely. That would just take a huge I would be all a huge sense of relief, so none of the phone with her- and I keep thinking about what she had said and
I was going through the EMA Box in there is. There is another email is gaining Gregory Gregory's again he wrote that he's like a corporate lawyer in his day job, but his hobby is as it is being mediator. What does that mean like if you are a person who Washington we're looking for a chance to mediate? Leon is immediately three store. Is he like a like like he meets? He mediate slake, very classic conflict, like his mother in law and sister in law were fighting every year during Thanksgiving about making the meal. I M so he's like ominous it you down and make sure you communicating with each other and like create like very clear boundaries, about whose job is what, on the day in where people can be in all that he's a mediation swat team. I imagine him repelling off the roof and swinging in through the window. I can solve the problem and do these things work or do yeah. Ok like in that thanksgiving situation, it's been years, but like they go back to that plan, they created with him wow. Ok so he was writing not just a bright eyes mediation here
in writing to genuinely offer up his services to resign hobbyist mediator. Yes to reply or listeners for email, debt, Forgiveness Dave, anyone need help responding to their forgot emails. He could do for them when a sweetheart, okay and as I Maybe this guy really could help Kelly. So I gave her a call in June psyche, I'm totally down to try. I don't you. Rule win this. It does feel weird that, like it feels like it feels weird that something weird but Gregory answering these emails from these people that were not aunt, em totally. I it was something I was pretty anxious about I felt better by the end, and I think you will to dislike hold on Secondly, hold that thought. Let me just tell you happen next, which is I agree and clean I I'll get on the phone and Gregory laid out his plan. What I what I'd hoped? I hope you do you stopped shoes is.
To take the emotional load of ease in else, and I let me be very clear, let look let me out of truly but me when it You gone through a very difficult thing, which I do not begin to understand, but one thing that I think I can do if take the emotional loading difficulty of emails and take it off of you and put it on me deepening and won't be your problem anymore. They will be in my heart yeah. So let me tell you what I'm thinking about sending and you can anyone tell me if you like it? What what I'll say is. I did so, and so thank you so much for reaching out. I am a friend of colleagues are even commuter. We want a stranger from even at the telling those and we ve, and this extreme really tough for Kelly and
you're not going to go to get all the vestiges right now, but she's extremely grateful that so many people have reached out to her with compassion and caring and she wants to send her appreciation to you and then, if that person is sensible indicates there is Fiber all add Kelly's, also having to keep track of people who were survivors of abuse or such like you and you know, you're. Your messages are respected. For her and she may well. It was I'm thinking user as her recovery. Forget it. They will reach out you individually in the future. Thanks so much for your message now that greater sand So I spent the next twenty four hours is like working out a system to deal with the private issues so that neither Drake
three or I would be able to read any of the emails from the assault survivors, but Gregory would still be able to respond to them. And then Friday night, we got on the phone one last time ok we're all here. I think Kilo hello highway, hey guys, but for you get started. Kelly was like guys, and it is up to about something. I think if you had a few things happen in the last twenty four hours that have given me a lot of perspective on ass. Well, you know how you kindly Cleaning up your house like before you have that made come over if you, if you wish, I mean I don't exactly know about like, but so I was archiving than
I'm doing things, and I was struck by a couple of the messages that I came across the end One way from a girl threw it out. So survivor of sexual assaults- and she said your part of this report of this club you know it's not one, that any of us wanted to be earned by now, a part of it and in our world here for each other, and I think it is it my place to allow someone into the clubhouse and look around, and so I had kind of an ethical dilemma with that, and then I got a message from a person who is in a very similar situation to mine and article came out and he accomplished something:
extraordinary, circumvent both, and he said I know the messages that you can you, but you get candy www overwhelming, but am it's because people are really drawn. The stories like this and you know it's ok- to to be selfish and you're recovery come first. So No you're, not you, don't really only having to anyone like this, probably Hungary's and dams, and then I shall convey what that fiscal. And I read it and I was late so inspired by air, and I thought so incredible and I got the urge to tell him how amazing what depth of character he had to do when he did, and then I thought, if I wrote to him and I got a response,
from someone else wake. I thought I heard I would make you feel, and I think I would rather just. I don't think this is hanging over anyone nodding those people out there anymore, who engage because the new rolling back you was lucky man, yeah yeah. I realized TAT the only person who can forget my email, that is, we. Then I I Shan blanket that with a you know with something to just give those messages closure because they don't really need closer. The closure was wearing the personal. Well, let me not in my responding to it I have already done. I think I was supposed to do.
We'll call. You found what you reached a wonderful realisation here, really good mediator. Well,. It is now entering its appointed. A no are you. I mean I've been like I've been feeling and of anxious about this, because I know that light I was like I'm really glad we're doing this, but I know that even when we clear all these emails, like people going to respond to the emails I had like sense of anxiety that, like Like this is like doesn't matter how high we build this, damn like we can protect you from the war. Caring about you there are worth problem.
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