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The rise of the new German right

2017-09-16 | 🔗

In just a few days, Germans will go to the polls to vote for a new government in an election that feels strangely familiar. For decades, Germany’s elections have been subdued and predictable, but this campaign cycle has seen a rise of fake news, hate groups and right-wing politicians with a nationalist agenda. There also are allegations of Russian meddling.

This week on Reveal, we team up with Coda Story to look at the rise of right-wing populism in Germany’s election.

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a year I have to say I wouldn't care- I mean, let's face it. The german elections are sleepy com here too. What we used to hear- and they don't effect, is right, but things are different with this election, in their different ways that sound strangely familiar first fake news. Yet it's the thing just like it was an hour election. And so are alleged russian meddling, hate groups and the rise of right wing politicians with a Nationalists agenda. That's happening in Germany, too, this is the Ral of a right wing group called pagoda, began, back in March on an old market square in the middle of Dresden. They do this once a week in their rallies always start with music. Cross between elevator music in Lord of the Rings Bay a woman steps onto a tiny state
in starts reading. The rules of the rally is: is Germany, after all, public gatherings are regulated to the smallest detail, Christians and forgotten andand. She says flags Campi taller than two meters also very important. No laser pointers, no Ellie delights no overly bright bicycle lights, all seems pretty tame, but then the music changes, and suddenly there playing cliffs of german Chancellor Angela Merkel, the community trade or to the people, a term that was used by the Nazis and then Merkel must go There's a guy called the poster that shows
wearing the Hitler moustache and her job she's got outstretched hands covered in blood. A political poster like that would offend people here, but in Germany is outrageous and unheard of until now, and it doesn't stop there these guys really Lucan pressure or lying press. It's the same terms, american white supremacist, richer Spencer, like seas and the report of this guy's yelling at is the we sit back
Louisa is a german american report reporting with us in the Online NEWS Organization Code story. She was raised in Germany and has been tracking the rise of right wing populism in Germany's election. She takes it from here. Luton. Pleasure is a word that adults Hitler used to bash media that was critical of hinder worldwide to people here. Think all mainstream media is biased and includes with their political rivals. I try to talk with them, but silenced refugees have served to those responsible Gaeta stands for patriotic Europeans against islamization of the west and standing in the middle of their rally. You got a good sense of the issues being debated in this year's election. The future of the EU, who Islam Border Security, refugees piggy, does not a political party there more like a fringe group of activists.
But their finding a friend and a new party that is running for office, the eighth d or alternative for dutch front. I decide to seek out one of the aims of leading candidates. Bear takes functional But when I arrive at the address and Berlin, an old mustard, colored apartment building, there's a sign for doctors office, but no sign anywhere for politicians headquarters. Only a tiny, buzzer, ok tanker There is a reason for that. You have said here in the house. This is for security reasons. Yes, you have got a bad takes. One story party has no chance of winning a majority in parliament, but they could win seats which would give I must say, and policy making country. I
walk inside her office and its clean and orderly her desk completely empty, except for a flyer that says does best come now, which means the best stove a come just who have good Policia, protect the house, and then we changed the doors and all this kind of stuff kiss a bit. I mean not a bit better luck. She pulls out are found and shows me photos of her office. Spray painted walls open windows and lots of messages scribbled across her door, ending it again, something here see bitch, and so we have a painted it and then they bear my car, then burned. It is used to occur, sue
Do you know who did it? It's the far left this, what we know it has been published on some far left for forbidden on illegal website, and they that she's swipes to photo of your feet. A message on our office wall about her grandfather, I'm they did the thing. Is they talking about my grandfather? My grandfather was a tiny minister of out of Hitler. Yes, he was I'm so they put that on my door. Even though people attack on story, she doesn't look threatening she's, an ermine forties, where's ping past our pants and of anything comes off as rather aristocratic. It's just like you to expect from the daughter of a german duchess, and that's not all she is. I am vice chair of the alternative for German to each day for Clayton. Splash of them die v in bond, and I am now on the list on the regional list for the election, for the Bundestag, the region of Berlin, I'm I'm leading candidate, I'm candidate number one and I mean
the european parliament. When you talk to fungi that you get the sense that Germany is under hang wherever severe problem, so we are not able to take in other millions from other cultural background she's talking about, refugees drop in two thousand, if fifteen as people were wars and Syria, Afghanistan and other countries are Germany's chance. Angela Merkel, did something unprecedented. She allowed, for one point, one million refugees to enter the country, much of the old celebrated. The decision as humanitarian and my group, but for fun story, it was a big mistake. We want to have come. Rules, we want to have a rule which saying he fits into our society who wants to integrate into society? Whom do we need an and then we want to pick them and because everyone is claiming to be asylum seeker, and so we don't pick them we're just letting them in actually
that's not true anymore. These days, the german government's severely restricts who is allowed to enter and stay if an asylum seeker cannot show their posts, equally threatened in their home country. They could be deported chant As regards South has since vowed that a situation like the summer of two thousand fifteen must not be repeated. Still. Foreigners coming to live in Germany. That's the issue that funds dog is using to win supporters for the empty party and its something Germans have grappled with for a long time. Many don't Consider Germany, a nation of emigrants even though millions of foreign guest workers have lived here for decades
to see how funny story is using this touchy subject to win borders. I follow her on the campaign sweep through one of Germany's most conservative states Bavaria, when the city of outspread, it's in the south of Germany, just outside of meaning its predominantly catholic and on Sundays. Families are out strolling around enjoying street music. The campaign event is at a beer house outside their away more police cars than passenger cars and inside bad looks french, stands on the stage and rails against and media ass. She goes through a list of articles. Tells the audience how each story gets. Some thing wrong. I one point she quotes a conservative politician of another
ass motionless on this, and we need to stop the thousands of human traffickers have taken you hostage and, if necessary, to take up arms. Although she is quoting someone else, fun story has agreed with the sentiment Last year, when someone on Facebook Ass, do you want women with children to be denied entry by armed force. She replied with a simple yes, but for fun story. Biggest thing playing. Germany isn't just controlling the porter. It's love, I ask as a culture. We won't make compromises with Islam. We won't let Germany get taken over by Islam, even now. I ask her what kind of compromises she means and she brings up islamic law also known as sure Sharia is not only regulating the personal Sharia is also
civil law and punishing nor and public law, and it claims to you know, organise the society and ruling the way of living. This is not compare, with our culture and with our way of living. Yes, she's right, some Muslims consider Sharia LAW, important and their lives, but to be clear, if someone who's Muslim does not comply with german law, they could go to prison just like anyone else. Her next worry is alot cruder, so not to have short, very short skirts. This kind of stuff not to pervade the muslim men, because they might, you know, miss them a standard short scarface, inviting them to rape. The german Federal Statistics Office has no data on sexual harassment by muslim men and there is no proof that there is an upward trend, but what we do know is that crimes against foreigners living
Germany have been going up. I'd, say it's a very clear line. What we have is long does not belong to Germany and it does not fit into our society, doesn't go together with our values. Bear takes. One story isn't the first to make us Lama phobic statements in Germany, but China, The party have been more successful than anyone else at spreading. That message and she's had some effect of teachers. My party only was founded in two thousand and thirteen, but years before I found myself grass roots movement, which basically was Like those tea party, we knew from the United States. So basically you learn the strategies of of the conservatives, including the tea party, and then I use them here sure. So we have we had the where we had people to teach us and tell us spend their time United States and weak. We made them come to us
advice on how to do this. The tea party. This is the last place I expect to hear about them, but it turns out. There are a lot of people here. Feel that Germany should be looking to the. U s back outside, Meet a guy named MAX may go Trump. Just great, I'm happy you got elected because in his whole way he is so different and because I think that political establishment although with the western world are so corrupt right that somebody stir them up at least gives me the hope. The hope that something better might happen. Max is from Bavaria and works as a male man, but he dresses like a male model situation. Worse Ex choose designer genes and Polly tells me people confuse him for being italian
I've been a member of funds Dice Party for about six months, but this is the first time he's heard her speak live. So what? What did you think of what she had to say I think all in all, it was pretty much the truth or how we feel about it so many muslim people coming into the country will have children, of course, and you dont have to have gone to Harvard to know that this will make Germany and you re more rule Islamic, and if you want that, good luck to you, but I don't want it. You know I do not want to become like an islamic state? Why do all this? its muslim people come to christian countries, know this kind of rhetoric, upsets alot of German, a few feet away from where Maxineff standing protest, shouting get out Nazis and
get rid of nationalist thinking, just like in the: U S, the anti immigrant anti muslim message here has divided the country and even But if these small party, its had a big effect on mainstream politics, who the introduction of frightening populism? We now have basically a player who doesn't stick to the unwritten rules, player that, as is immoral, that says, things that are outrageous and discriminatory. That's Luther a member of the Social Democrats, one of the centre left parties. He says german politics used to be very simple, but they Ain T change, and the media and politicians don't know what to do about it. Do you trust, go after them and then you make em stronger, which is probably what would happen to trumpet, we know the over reporting and everything made em big,
Then he was do you leave him alone, which is bad cuz. We think that terrible things need to be addressed and but the worst it's hard for us to know to what extent their message does resonate with the people that we vote on election day now he says Germans are having to discuss topics, they thought they ve gotten past. We thought that racism was GINO. Institutional racism was gone and we find that it is not ah there's a resurgence of national, believes and racist believe. There's a resurgence of anti Semitism area here, an F leader, name, pure hooker, made a statement that shook Germany's media and politics. Here's what I said The Germans, as the only people in the world to plant ammonia of shame in the heart of its capital
It might sound like nothing. Just a politician making us and about a monument in the capital. But it was a huge deal in Germany, because Hooker was a into a Holocaust memorial to murder, Jews and in another speech he referred to refugees shelters as breeding grounds for the germs of fundamentalism in which criminals are spawned Elizabeth wailing. As a researcher, you see Berkeley who studies right wing rhetoric and german herself. This is really a new ships. We have not seen this type of discourse in a broad public: listen, stir Nazi Reich and it's not just what's being said, it's how she says
and the empty party leaders often use metaphors that compare the nation to a body and refugees to invaders or disease. She says it come straight from the Nazis, so this is a push of less polluting. Groups to call into question. How should Germany feel about people that are called on quote not part of the german identity, but now Population there going against us. The muslim population saying the east, for instance, is like a foreign thing to our culture, doesn't fit with our culture and so it's a threat to our identity to be clear, there has been a lot of in fighting within the empty party about what kind of language to allow and beyond I was almost kicked out. German voters and almost four percent of any of supporters say the part
He has not distance itself enough from right wing extremism so diabetics. Fungi supporters believe her. Special them talk and do they like her think german identity is being threatened and why the day her speech in Augsburg. I'm on my way turned extremely important. Driving therewith illegal, not having an empty member. He tells me they ve had to change the location, because events bases in the original town refuse to host families some instead we're heading to a tiny village, or thousand by our and a holler town, no, I'm not making better up for passing through fields of hops and Enrico tells me this is where all the hops are ground. For Germany's beer. The campaign of is, of course, at a beer house and inside
Their wooden tables covered with large mugs of bloggers and stout people, are eating schnitzel? a few even where later holes in and blue chequered shirts, it's kind of like a caricature of german culture, but the audience seems really into it. I sure table with early doubling and the matter kneeling who live in Bavaria Mass them? What does it mean to be Germany? They tell me you can have german citizen should be brought up in Germany, but never be german Germany isn't an immigration country atomic. They say being German as October fast and Christianity and places like the one we are sitting in here. I should know everyone is white, bear twigs VON stories.
Archer Speech and hit on the same point as the day before, but today it's more extreme. There is the question of every we're going to make compromises with Islam, and I always break it down to a simple formula. We live in the new age. If we want to make compromises with the stone age, then will lead in the middle ages, there's a lot of happy and when the culinary session stars, I raised my hand one of them. Messrs hands me a microphone and I asked spare tricks the question I came here, for I say I want to ask you what is german culture I was invited by systematically the audience, isn't
happy about the question and one story: isn't there she repeats? The same point is made to me before about not wanting to compromise. Islam, not wanting Islamic LAW, Germany. I respond by saying that Muslims living here have to abide by german law to just like anyone out was the answer and then the event organizer takes the MIKE away from me and says this is in the place to discuss such fundamental questions who is german and who isn't but fun story tells me. I should ask President Tramp: why do you ask You take in one and a half million refugees. Then I'd have the answer to my question do not, as it turned to grab my things, we could do the woman
I've been sitting next to tells me to go, put on a huge job and get myself to Syria. I leave an Enrico drives me back through the fields of hops to the train station. He tells me there just talking tough for show it's an election season after all. But to me the anger in that room felt all too real, so I mostly look out the car window and stay silent. That's it from the visa ban? The safety is currently pulling, ten percent of german voters that small but significant since one or two more than a dozen right wing groups have tried to enter Germany's National Parliament and they ve all failed, but this year, if the poles are right, the empty has a chance to win.
These, which will give it a say in writing national legislation the empty spreading his message against Islam, with propaganda tool that played a role in our own election, fake news when we come back how an innocent selfie set off local firestorm. There continues to burn. This is revealed. From the centre for investigative reporting and pr eggs from Can you burn across in an open field or protest of war during school? These people were fined disciplined been hearing about how Germany's far right is targeting muslim immigrants do political speeches, but it's also been happening through fake news for one twenty, refugee from Syria. They became all too real minimize us more than one My name is on a smaller money on this, but I'm from Syria and IRAN have been burned for about one year and former perish in Berlin? ass more money. Is a tall young man,
in really into photography. His facebook wall is covered with action, shots and collages he's made of camel lenses and other photo gear. It was one particular photo, though, that he snapped with his phone that started at all as it does while vacant. Two other selfie. It all happened because of one cell to with MRS Merkel Pro American. Yes, that's selfie with german Chancellor Angela Angela Merkel has spent the morning visiting a centre for processing asylum applications in Berlin. In two thousand, fifteen Merkel went to visit the refugee shelter. A nurse was staying in he'd, been in Germany for just a few days and was excited to meet the most powerful person in a new country. He walked right up to her, shook her hand and snapped selfie. Whether now at the time- and I thought well, TAT was cool, but that day journalists where the shelter snapping photos to and when a nasty selfie dated photos of the exact moment
and ass, leaning into Merkel Merkel awkwardly giving a NASA's phone camera thumbs up the photo got picked up by all the big papers. People started talking about the refugee. Who did it selfie with Germany's chancellor. We know that he makes a cell fevers Angela back, but it was only a joke that alchemy short this event and lives in Berlin, with her husband in daughter in their sixteen year old cat dealings named, of course, after the Cook and STAR Trek Voyager soon after the selfie, she read a poster He spoke very young refugee neighbour nurse was looking for a place to live She and her family had next room, so she A few days later he moved it became his horsemen she works as a vet and lives in Berlin, with her husband and daughter in their sixteen year old cat dealings named, of course, after the Cook and STAR Trek in Germany, said freedom fighter. I could ever like everything was peace
Gee Neighbour nurse was looking for a place, live she and her family had next room. So she we fail to ask anger, ass, good, ass, pancakes, sweet pancakes within that wasn't reporter Louisa back with the online new Psycho two story takes it from here cited a change. A change in Sir two thousand and sixteen you have the bay big terrorist attacks in browser shock spread in the belgian capital following twin blast at Brussels International Airport, not long afterwards, anchor was home after a long day at work. When she got a message from an ass, he was very upset about something he just seen online and then have a look at the internet and at Facebook. Jam. Some people taking on us
picture with Angela Merkel on and saying this was one of the terrorist from Bristol. You heard right that a Nazi was one of the bombers and the Brussels Attack and its goes viral. Of course it wasn't true and anger thought. Okay, This needs to be deleted from Facebook, so she did what anyone would do. Who wants to correct a mistake? She contacted the personal, got it wrong and ask them to take it down. Then I write them and said: oh no, it isn't this man on the day the brutal attacks war. He sat next to me on breakfast tat. And looking on the television and saw that the things and he was crying. She click the sand button and soon the guy responded to what sort of Troy ya go way that that's what that's the response.
You got these told you you're a troll asbestos for toys. And there was more- they want to cut up my head and taken a scowl on my town, on your fence on my friends in front of our house I and from my family and on us as well, that's so they rode on Facebook to road on Facebook. So she set our sights on Facebook, which is how the message was being spread to thousands of users. She filed a complaint asking the company did get down every time. It's not against our community standards. You got that terrorists by those same response areas. I never get another those bonds, this they meant not against our community standards is something anchor would get really
really familiar with basically its facebooks way of saying we are not there take this step. Facebook is the most popular social media network in Germany. Become the main forum for right wing groups to organise campaign events and spread fake news. Their main targets rest, Jeez and Angela Merkel and back in this I have two thousand fifteen a leader from Germany's far right political party, the F B, took the selfie of an ass, an attached to the headline Morocco itself be queen poor imports, violence that Ankara angry. She content
the guy who posted it tell the truth and take it away now or I go to a lawyer, that's what you told them when I was a hard guide turned into a bad ass worked Facebook, didn't we act, but the right wing guy who posted it eventually took it down and apologized. Then this past December, Germany experience its first major terrorist attack in decades. It was at a Christmas market in Berlin. Device on in Berlin Rock has just ploughed through this busy Christmas market in the western part of the city. So let's begin their people very bright, nodded good moment for Germany Suddenly there was more fake news,
choosing a knot of being the terrorist. Who did it and then, a few weeks later, when a homeless man was lit on fire and Berlin, fake news blamed and ass again. A few months ago, I was able to talk to us about how he felt when this was going on He said he couldn't understand why people would pose stuff, like that of the small mademoiselle toward me made me feel afraid and is good, because I didn't. Everything right here in Germany, I'm happy here. So I haven't you it myself in german society, hind Venetian. Probably if I really wanted those kind of problems in mine, I could have stayed in Syria and national comment. The fake news about ass in Germany even reached his family and Syria. Mine from you yet is working. Fine infirmities really worried about me right about the Gulf, a lot of people. My god my moment, my dad and told them as a police talk then they will destroy him. Sorted chicken.
We therefore send him back to Syria, because he has so many problems the slogan thus far, and I keep telling to caregivers cable, no them those are lies, sign it strong than Unsummoned Minamoto, ascribing guiche we're off being mass so upset made on even more determined to go after Facebook, so she got in such were. The lawyer a guy named Chan, Joe John. What has been really dangerous on Facebook is that it's not the organised radicals who are already in their echo bubbles and echo changes. It is people from the middle of society, people who, one time just posted family pictures and pets and food all of a sudden, were exposed to radical opinions, eight news and believed those he says. There's a lot of stuff on Facebook. That's illegal under german law, where free speech is more restrict then in the? U S like deny the holocaust,
or a glorified national socialism. That's a criminal offence in Germany, incite violence or hatred against a group of people also illegal state an opinion about someone while vast illegal but a false about a person that runes their reputation illegal, that asked category. That's the one. Chandra wanted Facebook to have knowledge, because all of these fake news articles used analysis selfie to claim that he was a terrorist, that's illegal because its a true dies, sent registered meals or emails to Facebook and thought well, they will have to take down six ounces sent them, and then I can just demonstrate this is the solution he sent them, about nineteen pages of examples and for a while, no response and when he did get replies. He says it was always some excuse,
your attachments, don't opened emails, got cut off, etc. Finally, Chando gave Facebook an ultimatum, delete the post or he press charges and that's what he finally dead, He became the first german lawyer to put public pressure on Facebook by taking them to court over their handling of fake news. The judge made Facebook remove some of the posts within us, but ruled against changing the law suit. And when I asked tangible about losing, I thought he'd be bombed, but he was a hair like so optimistic and like have. Actually. I think this was the most successful lost case. It was a successful last case because soon after He made the lawsuit so public. The government decided it was gonna, take action on its own May, Your action this spring
Germany's Minister of Justice. High commerce draft a new law requiring Facebook to take down speech that clear, the leader within twenty four hours, or else they have to pay a fine of up to fifty. Deed million euros- that's about sixty million dollars and that line seen much to a multi billion dollar company like Facebook, but they could get find any time. Illegal speeches posted soap, supply that number by one hundred or a thousand, and it quickly adds up. My hope is if this law will be passed. That no announcement of money will ever have to go to court again. The law is called the nets factory settings cassettes, which means the network enforcement long and you might think cool stuff. Over the Germans passes german sounding law. Facebook takes down that's his speech and ass an anchor live in safety, Fleda fighter. I call them ass. Goodness, pancake
sweet bank, eggs, but no sooner was the lab proposed that it became a huge controversy in Germany, so crazy idea to think that the networks are responsible, for people who behave badly on those networks. That's of poor Maya, a judge at the Berlin District Court. He things it's the courts, not facebook. That should decide whether something is or isn't, hate speech, already hard question to decide if content is really illegal because even german hate speech. Laws have themselves to be interpreted, even many courts get it wrong, sir. Not only are constitutional court's gets the final say on these issues and I Brady can see a company like Facebook deciding these cases. He said The law will lead to a sort of de facto censorship, because Facebook will try to avoid the feed
at any cost. So we'll just start taking everything down that could be illegal, even if it's not please contact at Facebook and the spokesperson wrote back this law as it stands now will not improve efforts to tackle this important societal problems. We will contain to do everything we can to ensure safety for the people. On our platform, I wanted to talk to the people who drafted this law in the first place. Why such a huge fight with so many possible unintended consequences. So I went to the Ministry of Justice and consumer protection. I know it's in a stately. Sitting in the middle of Berlin, and I work through rand entrance passed a frame copy of the german constitution and meet the ministry's state. Second
Harry, I'm gonna get bitten state signal. Terry in the Ministry of Justice and consumer protection, come whether he is worried that the Fifty million euro fine will cause Facebook to over sensor its content. There is no censorship, they have obligations. They are private companies. They are here for business reasons. Their licence to operate is depending did they delete criminal content, so they have to be sight. He says. Other companies like Google and Youtube have ways to process complaints and ensure content isn't illegal under german law. So I shouldn't facebook to the same. The real problem isn't that they can't it said: they'd have to spend more money and to get them to do that. You have to play hardball. Why, as the few so so high life from the outside, you could say I mean its political theater, but a really hard impact on our societies
Some cells is technology companies, but they are more. They are influencing our society, they are influencing the kind of dialogue we have and its fine, but they also have to be aware of an intended effects of their work and that's about hate. The radicalism within the net is in many cases the first it forever ecclesiastical impractical behaviour. So it's not only about speech after Germany, except of more than a million migrants and refugees in two thousand thirteen, there was a search and right wing extremism. Hate crimes jumped about a thousand two years ago, to almost seventeen hundred and two thousand sixteen researchers say it's at least partly due to a heap climate toward refugees,
in July, Justice Minister Villain got his way along with fifty million euro fine past and is set to take effect next month. No one knows yet how effective it will be, but Facebook said in his statement that their hiring three thousand people on top of four thousand five hundred already working to review posts. In the past few months, Facebook deleted thousands of accounts that were spreading fake news people who make news are fighting back on farms like four where they generate and distribute fake news anonymously. They say their goal: to create a meme war to disrupt Germany's election and score points for the right wing, a birthday party, poverty. I recently went to at anchor in her apartment in Berlin, to see what she thought about the new law
and when I arrived, she was eating breakfast with her daughter, LISA and her husband. Andrei method the planet was anchor, is still preoccupied with fake news and she now calls herself fake hunter. That's no, my my my hobby I do it s there. Haven't you see or fake under which means you tracked down fake news and then new as and then you say, this is wrong I'm doing and write articles four for Mimi, Coma, Mimi Comma is a website that debunk state is writing and we searching for the site has become a big passion of things. It can't be just up to Facebook to deal with hate speech. I think this work, everybody can do it through saying we all have to be fact checkers. Yes, we all have to be
checkers all before you share a message check if it is true or not because it not true. Then you are also guilty. There are still fake news stories about and ass an I ask about him. She tells me he moved out a few months ago. You think a changed him that experience as I think it changed him. A change is a big word about, sir. If it has in a big influence as life, the refugee who took a selfie with the german chancellor had become the symbol of the terrorist threat. Europe and then he was celebrated as a hero for taking on Facebook. A lot of popularity for young man who have Flee
every refugee from from assyrian civil war. So I think that extremely negative and extremely positive stereotypes- Darius yes and the stereotypes are not him. And ass was given a visa that allows me to stay in Germany for three years, but it's a clear what will happen after that he's working Mcdonald's and is applied to steady at Technical University of Berlin? Subject: information size so I was produced by reported Louisa back fake news in this information are just coming from Germany's far right political parties there being imported from wait, job you'll, never guess Russia. When we come back suspicions of Vladimir Putin meddling in the german election on review,
from the centre for investigative reporting, p r eggs from this therefore, investigative reporting in p r eggs. This is reveal analogy today: we're looking at the rise of right wing groups in Germany, ahead of next week's federal elections. There, Angela Merkel, is expect the winner. Fourth term is chancellor that this could be the first time I'm since world war, two that a radical right, in party wins seats in parliament just weeks before the official because he's began their president gave a speech in Warsaw, Poland. I got a lot of attention. It is a found honour to stand in this city by this money? He standing in a public square front of a big crouching. The fundamental question of our time is whether the West has the will to survive. This is present trumps, first major european address, and you
to a clash of civilizations. Do we have enough respect for our citizens to protect our borders, we have the desire and the courage to preserve our civilization in the face of those who would subvert and destroy it. Many here that is meaning the west versus the was world just blocks away, but well just crowd of people is gathered in hotel conference room. Watching the speech tv reporter along Green Burke of the Online NEWS organization. Coda story was there: so reaction at this conference to what tromp was saying. There are a lot of gas trunks, speech or he talked about civilization struggle. The reason for the gasps many feel trumps. Words echo. Those of flatter me. Putin there at a conference about Russian
it's in Europe is put on by an American think tank called the Atlantic Council and the main question on the agenda. How will the Kremlin try to influence Germany's of coming election? Some of the people to figure it out. I met with Ben Nemo, who is perhaps the leading investigator sleuth, what we see in the russian model is, you could think of it as a tactic of vilify and amplify. In other words, pick your targets, smear them and then spread the story as far as you can track, and this information is specialty? He digs into social media for the Atlantic Council to see what stories are being spread and whose spreading them he is able to determine who these people are where they're coming from, from which countries from what servers and what they're trying to do. Messages. Are they trying to amplify? Who are they trying to reach now? Hashtags are very useful for people who grew so they can track how well they message doing. But there
The very useful for analysts, Hashtag is an identifiable string which is very easy to put into a search engine and final results alone. Is Ben believed that is meddling in the german election yeah. I mean, I think he knows Russia's muddling. I think only the Russians at this point are denying it so Kind of stories are the Russians amplifying for one bad news about immigrants weather. Stories are true, or not one of the most infamous exam last year is something called the LISA Kits. Thirteen year old. Russian german girl was reply, did you have been kidnapped and raped by migrants either shore of arab origin. The story took off It appeared on social media and then it was very quickly cycle through the rush media. The rush foreign Minister cited as russian television really went to town. It was explosive, but it soon
became clear that it wasn't true. The crime never happened, it was fake, but some people still believe it is the same. Usually divisive, very rare They tend to fake event that the russian media thing is fair to say: exploded the hilt coup, Cs Islamophobia, a fear migrants as doing his bed the more Europeans, and for that matter the more Americans are sceptical about. Immigration about diversity, the more a shock and promote its interests without western interference. So what they're trying to do is sound confusion and create a certain amount of chaos. There's a character in game with rose name little finger he's the mover in Shaker China move up, and one of his key statements is the chaos is a ladder, and that sells exactly like what Putin and the right.
Since we trying to do with your explaining his at their creating chaos, so they move forward in the world order. It's all about chaos. I think that's exactly right This is about is undermining your confidence in your political sense, because, in the end, what the Kremlin is trying to do is have the space I would its on foreign policy and to do that they need a weakened west. Questions have made no secret that really overarching. Foreign policy aim in Europe is to new doors It was possible NATO and too. Undermine the european institutions like the European Union that act as a bit of a bulwark against adventurism and there are a lot of people in Germany whore receptive to that point of view. Since the end of the cold war more than four million Russians have moved to Germany. Many of them still get the news from prudent state control me
russian NEWS, is a bit of a funhouse, mirror its distorted. News from a russian perspective, its media that jumps any crime from migrants and it seen as a real fuel for the far right on at least two ongoing yeah guess what it was like. This is from a tv channel called Russia. Twenty four, it's about the upcoming german election in the anchor saying that it's quite likely Merkel will lose her post, even though that's true european labour, so that's disinformation. But what about hacking? Now the Department of Homeland Security said that russian hack potentially targeted election systems in twenty one. U S, states, have we seen anything like that in Germany, in two thousand and fifteen Germans, parliament which massively hacked nobody can prove it was actions or anyone else, but there's been radioset
once ever since that hack, but a lot of people are convinced it was the Russians in that they could spring a last minute surprised to discredit Merkel right before the election. One theory is that it has something to do with her chemistry Phd. The second ferry that Merkel collaborated with the Stasi. Merkel grew up in EAST Germany. She was an adult in EAST Germany before the walls fell and that this house somehow reveal that she collaborated more then was usual with the east german secret peace and that the somehow will be very damaging to her, but nobody Nobody knows what's in the hack and where and what could be revealed. So with all that being said, if Merkel wines, can we take a big sigh of relief? I mean. Is that the end yeah. I think people can take a small sigh of relief by autumn snapped the end at all We're Russia has real foreign policy in press in the region, whether working seal, much more fragmented, violent Europe,
or something else is something that needs play out over the next several years. There was a alone. Remember he's the publisher, CO editor in chief of co distort our partner on today Show While working on this week show, we know, a lot of similarities with right wing movement here in the: U S, remember of winter, in far right leader, matrix bunch Dork say this about muslim immigrants. It's a very clear line. What we have is long does not belong to Germany. Well, that's all! a lot like with some people from the far right in the? U S have to say I do have a problem with the muslim migration. Want to assimilate there get arising they're going in hold neighbourhoods and then through the water. Rape is happening and debate. The great destroying thousand year old culture.
Next, we will look at the provocative rallies being stage by rightly groups in the. U S, and the response from the opponents on the far left. You show up there, right wing rallies. Looking for a fight, so I'm saying break his leg now so that then, maybe he'll consider the next time. If it's worth it to him, that's next week on reveal. I show today was reported and produce with our partners echoed a story a new media venture that does in depth crisis reporting, gather muskets He was only producer. Just saddle, Tanaka help with fact taking in Turkey to meet us was our editor my man, J Breezy, Mr Jim Briggs, is our leaned sound designer and engineer had helped this week from clear. They know mulling, Catherine Raimondo and Catch shook her head duty is from Burg. Any powers are editor in chief Suzanne Rivers, executive editor and our executive producers. In Britain is our lead sound by and like had
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