In 2015, French radio reporter Raphael Krafft was covering the refugee crisis. On the border with Italy, he met desperate families turned away by his country.
Then one family asked Krafft for his help crossing the border. As a journalist, he was supposed to be objective, but that was getting harder to do. So he followed his moral compass, which led him on the journey of a lifetime.
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from the centre for investigative reporting and p r eggs. This is reveal a mallet rough aircraft. Is a french radio report back in
There are fifteen, he was covering the refugee crisis in France
these ngos- and although this is omit Felicia, been voted. This region will be small hundreds of thousands of people.
We're running away from wars in places like Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Sudan, in coming to Europe.
It was not the most welcoming country its,
I have to get asylum there and they recently closed their border, but still refugees
made their way to Paris in the thousands by the summer. The crisis had
right to rough doorstep. I live
the neighbourhood in Paris, where all refugees come and I M a makeshift camps of three to four hundred people have been.
Settled three hundred metres from my home and for the
This time in my life there was a global problem at the corner of my street. Reveals neighbourhood is typical pairs, sidewalk cafes little shops nearest.
It's an elevated subway line and under these elevated subway there is like some space where actually refugees found shelter and people.
First set up mattresses on the ground, sometimes tense.
And they lived there. You have families that includes children without water without toilets, and
They they just leave outside and they have been living for almost a year.
In this situation, the camp was illegal, though
In early June, two thousand fifteen. The police cleared it out. So refugees set up another camp near by a few days later. The policed on that.
You have the police charging on refugees that they have been surrounding in a very
violent way with sticks and tear gas and stuff like this. That's what we're here now
most of the people to are refugees, but they are helped with activists were yelling at the police
What are these protests?
is actually say they scream the mantra of France, which is liable to get it. If I tell tee that that is liberty, equality and brotherhood, but is it this is right at the end of your street, what did you do? Well, I took my recorder.
And I went to report. This eviction is how refugees are sometimes treated in France. The border police try to keep everyone out and then the people who do get in our entreated. Well, as I was watching this
I tried to make a border between the citizen I was, and the journalist I was but
a while. You know that the border
is, is melting.
Seeing all these people
fleeing for their lives, made it hard to stand by and simply document what was happening. Raphia was supposed to be
mutual journalists, but it seemed like a cop out these people needed help. Roughly
lives thousands of miles away from us, but is
we got our attention because it reminded us of what's happening here with the battle
immigration policy. Prison tromp was to build a boardwalk,
It is administration has been refugees from coming into our country for the next four months
Americans are really split on this issue, and so, as it turns out, are the French. So let's pick up the story a couple months later, in October, two thousand and fifteen. When Raphael takes the reporting trip to ITALY just across the border from France, lots of refugees reach ITALY by boat people from the Middle EAST and african countries like Sudan and Eritrea, but they don't
stay in ITALY. There is a work in conditions are bad for refugees, so many of them go to this. One train station invent Amelia ITALY to try and sneak across into France. I was Ventimiglia train station, the translation of this border town in ITALY, where all refugees gather trying to go to France and they all gather of the train station because most of them try to go to France by taking the train. Raphia sees hundreds of refugees waiting, some of them sleep here, the translation of pieces of carboys surrounded by the belongs Raphael. I've seen a lot as a reporter.
He spent twenty years as a war correspondent. He covered the Iraq war, the Arab Spring, the Balkans. He served in the french Foreign Legion in Afghanistan, but at that train station it means a kurdish family from Iraq and their desperation gets to him.
Set. This family was some. There was the father, the mother to children, one in two years old
daughters. Leah was so the two year old daughter they had been sleeping outside the train station for
few days, the one year old daughter was having a diarrhea
their aim was to go to England and though I think, there's a french lawyer there at the train station volunteered to help refugees through an interpreter. She tells the kurdish Father,
border. Is clubs as possible will allow our thirty five hundred or four thousand people waiting to cross and they cannot cross re? Now, it's impossible, especially with children she's trying to convince the father to forget about England and asked for Salem in France instead was into question I didn't revisit. Most people can be ruled out of me. You have other refugees,
listening to us to the conversation and after hours, and I'm not joking hours. Kurdish father actually accept that he would request for asylum in France
ITALY argue about Anti Bordeaux, will to lose. So we ask the lawyer, then take me to niece the french town,
and take me to ask for asylum there and because the border is closed to refugees. The lawyer answers sorry, I cannot take you there, it's illegal. Where did you really did you come from acts? So just to be clear? It's it's like
a catch twenty to its legal to ask for asylum in France, but illegal to cross the border into France. Exactly the kurdish father didn't understand that situation, this catch twenty two situation so, and he had seen me.
Arriving at the train station with my car, an old white merci this and he looked at me and said you have a car- and I said yeah. So why don't you take us to France where we can ask for asylum and
my heart's, darted beating a bit faster and, and- and I told him- oh, no, I'm a journalist- I it's illegal to cross the border with refugees inside and I thought to myself what what this this
is is a father. You know he has kids there. One
two years old. One of them is sick. His wife is exhausted. How can I say no,
you do. I at the head friend
you bet is at the head of an organization in the southeast of France that deals with the homeless people.
So when the refugee crisis started,
There was an influx of people and he couldn't host everybody. So we started to host the refugees at his home and it
become a habit. Some
you have five of them ten twenty
five to thirty refugees, and I called debate
And I told him there is this kurdish family
it's okay. I will call some friends will call, will friends who will
well some friends and we will make them pass by
someone drove them through the border and the ended up in your best place. So
They made it who bears place in France thanks to your phone call. That sounds like,
the good thing for that family, but
By arranging all that mean you were kind of,
like a smuggler. Well, I
say that now I'd rather say I acted as intermediaries. A smuggler was really when I became next Raphael. The journalists becomes roughly,
EL the smuggler, that's a head,
from the centre. For investigative reporting and p r ex this is reveal analogy, we're here.
The story of french radio reporter raphia aircraft. Winded up,
crossing the line while covering the refugee crisis in France, when he got fed up seeing his country's border police turned back families and desperate people, he decides to get involved when we left off. Raphia had just helped
Curtis Family cross into France by making a phone call to an act of his friend?
We pick up a story at the same train station,
invent Amelia ITALY, where refugees gather crossing to France,
Well, I've spent the whole day
witnessing the conversation between your lawyer and the kurdish family.
And after a while there is this guy that came next to us and he sat on a bench and
He seemed to understand a speaking in English and
I saw, he was listening to us
to him. I went to see him and I had spent-
the whole day you know recording listening to tough stories.
And I thought Chalet interview him or do I have enough sound? I am
I Ireland. I am emotionally affix affected by all that. What I've listened to
and finally I took my my again and I know switch on record. Can you introduce yourself
I remember him, I'm from within
with a state and therefore its colleagues, Argentina City.
And I guess you about two weeks ago in italy-
hearing than to media. Where, when did you write
onto media. I arrived five days ago, so I spent the whole five days here. Abraham comes from western doc
for where war has been raging for decades
the regime has created malicious code, Janjaweed Ibrahim was requested to fight with them and he refused and because he refused the gates to university jobs public.
Work was close to him, so the only solution for him was to actually flee and leave the country.
Because we being sky,
from TAT Day on, we are seeking peace. This is the main issue we came for
So, for me, my destination is
I learned to live there. I won't stay there are seeking.
His life and education that we are not seeking anything more. That's always seek. I was surprised he wanted to go to. France goes over many refugees
We are seeing. France is not a very welcome in country, but this guy had a dream to go to France. He had learned.
The french revolution when he was in school. He was certain that France was the country of light from the agency
tree. So his dream was to go to France and I was some of its
maybe a chauvinist, a reaction that I have, but I was quite happy to see that, guy that war wow this guy wants to go in my country. How many times you tried to good from time to time yet twice I try to go to France and they,
me and they sent me back. So I will ask how exactly had he tried to cross the border before on the train out? That's how most people try but Ebro him, but a strategy,
Having shower dress nicely, you know, put some perfume, you know we try our best to be like citizens. Ok, are we trying to mix with white people? Actually facts, yes, or the can feel that we are just one of them was something we tried to sit in the middle of them. Ok, the problem for refugees is that all trains are searched by french police and getting every time this year, refugee, the resting. They expel him
to ITALY. I think it's clear. If I am a french police man, I will catch them its clear, because you know our I mean our skin its lie here. You know we look. We looked tired because our journey is
as you know, we ve been through hell
the sun, on the Mediterranean Sea, its very, very hot
being in the middle of the sea three or four days so our skin. I guess it's burning its
Clearly it's obviously everybody car with nice ass. That's why but the
men who already here for a long time their skin its look like soft or something? So that's it. I guess that's it! That's! The idea came out with
So I think that's it. Will you try to walk through the mountains? Maybe
No, because this land is filled with mountains, afraid I'm afraid to get lost.
Among those mountains. I will be denied because of Thursday,
hunger or gold. As as
as we are african people, we can, we can handle hardness, but we cannot handle courts.
God is very difficult for us. So for me it's it's crazy. It's really crazy! To try to Bob. I feed so
one hand, the Skype Ibrahim sounds totally stuck
Amelia and he sounds weirdly?
optimistic. What were you thinking standing there? I felt like if I didn't do anything
I would regret it all my life and I would feel I would feel like a coward. You know annexed
actually, you know you know I'll have been. You know. I've been witnessing horrors. I've been listening to
The money all around the world in the Gaza Strip in Iraq anywhere, but but but it's not my country there, you know
In that situation. It was about my country, it was about fraud
and I felt that be
for being a journalist. I was a french citizen, so I had to do something and then I saw this sudanese guy
and this pseudo guy, who had been trying to go to France to twice who had been expelled.
Who was in love with wants, then I said: ok
I'm gonna help but Raphia. Does it see anything right? It says goodbye leaves the translation, Ngos to friends house where he stay. I didn't want to
go to sleep and wake up in the morning and say: oh no, it's going to be complicated. To organize it's going to be dangerous is going to change my life. He tells his friend exactly what he's going to do in part, so he can't talk himself out of it. The next morning he gets up cuz back to the train station and,
in Sebring, and we met, and I told him looks if you accept it, I'm going to take you to France for free, and he just looked at me like what he couldn't believe that for free I was going to take them to prom,
He asked me why, and I told him I think what french police is doing. You is not right, so you want to go
France and I will take you to lunch, and then he did to me as if to test. If I was serious- and he said you know- I have been travelling with a friend since Khartoum, since Libya will you take him with us?
That's it, of course, and his friend was okay, so now it's two guys that you're gonna smuggle crossed the border with the risks. You are taking like if you got caught taking these guys over into France. What would happen to you well on the paper
the law says aiding the entrance or illegal stay of non citizens. In France, the penalty is five years of prison and thirty thousand euros a fine that is thirty, five thousand dollars, but actually there
and give a lighter sentence and you don't even go to jail. So I was not to work.
It actually up. I didn't really care, you know I'll, because I thought that's. What I was doing was righteous.
But let them, let me ask you this, I'm thinking that it from like a journalist perspective. Now and again, I guess a thing that that I keep coming back
please, like you, know your ear, journalising you're supposed to be objective in you clearly cross the line there. Oh, I didn't do that as a journalist. I did that as a citizen and dumb, but but by the occupation,
it is as a journalist me here in the United States. If one of us did that- and we probably
get a whole lot of work as a journalist again,
you know how do you say that a few months after Donald Trump took office- and you don't know
nobody knows what's gonna happen in the following months and maybe you're gonna find yourself in that situation may be you're gonna have to hide.
Some Latinos knows maybe you're gonna have to hide some Muslims in your house, and I think that when you will face the situation, this deed,
The issue of journalism and objectivity will come. Second, you know helping these
Fiji's became more important than any worries. Raphia had about the effects on his own life. He wasn't gonna. Do that
just any old way. He was gonna help them sneak in our train. He wasn't gonna,
I'd them in the trunk of his car. He was gonna, do something much more grand that would show them the most beauty.
Full version of France. He was gonna guide them over the Alps, that's right over the Alps,
mountains, debtors, Heizer Rockies, on foot in October. I knew that if we were hiking in the mountain the chance to meet
French mountain police was Sir, was very small
and it was was also an introduction. You know we were going to walk, we were going to talk, we were going to become friends and we were going to see wonderful landscapes and I don't know it's like a pilgrimage
So what did you do? Next? I called a friend of mine who lives in northern out. He had been a shepherd.
And he is a force of nature. Can I say that as a force of nature or who I called him,
the Sunday and I call them
told him Thomas that's his name. I need you. I need to go through pass. Was
some guys and you have to come with some shoes, and I gave him the side of the shoes and he said I'm coming and he came Thomas. The shepherd knows these mountains. Well he's going to be there. Guy Raphael tells Ibrahim and a mod to take the train up to a town for the north.
The Italian out to meet them. This is my friend Thomas was issued,
time meeting. It was the first
how much is small.
Then Ibrahim. He has very very short, hair
smiling all the time and for me it was difficult to communicate with our money, because I dont speak arabic and hammered, doesn't speak English, nor french catalogue, and then we need Carlo Catalogue ceasing to say a final
come on, who is a former member of the Communist Party and Carlo, as an activist, was very happy to actually large host to smugglers and two sudanese refugees. Mcgann,
See William and gather now remain so we spend the night that Carlos House, in the suburbs of this little italian town,
and Tom US, and I am we prepare the bags and
We send Ibrahim and not mad early in bed.
And in the morning, thomas- and I
make up at around five o clock. In the morning. Everybody still sleeping. We prepare the breakfast, the coffee. I grew up in a brain ass, much room
and it's actually the first time there are welcome in the European House and maybe the
first time they sleep in a comfortable bed and I had to force them to go inside the blankets. You know they wanted to stay above the bed. They didn't want to destroy
they didn't want to so I knock at the door it's time to go too far,
So we left Carlos House around five and I hope I am it was night time Carlo took us by car to the start of the chair
that was about an hour drive and I claim
to the car and I started talking with Abraham adventures me: do we having no one right now, even me, like adventures
but this is the biggest one like you know. It seems like it's gonna, be there, the various one is going to be in the best of my of my adventure list. I am
sure. I'm sure that.
You have lived much more difficult,
just before the year that big, but that was it, wasn't like Keno adventures, because things you do how I can say that by force yeah, you live situation, risky situation and you put your life on the line, so that one you know it
on my own hands rescuing a risky
therefore, and in Libya in Libya we saw things we will never forget. Libya is the gateway to Europe, the sequel,
and is there is a war there. The situation is not stable, so it's very good for mafias and smugglers. So refugees, especially from Eritrea, Ethiopia and Sudan. They go to Libya to actually take makeshift boats that are gonna, take them to ITALY before they put us in a boss, but I see you know they feed people
and the foods very bad and the place very bad to you, paying your money and after that date will teach you the bat call you a bit yeah. What does it mean? I beat me slave,
this is this, is this word you always hear it and Libya every black, every black body or person, Libya. He going to hear this word a lot.
That their Libya. That was really
Bad very bad action, so what we're gonna do today, for you is fun! Sorry, come again, I told him. This must seem like
compared to Libya? That's what I'm telling you that's what I'm saying
I told you it's not it's not that through this all, it's not that bad. You see
and we drove round about two roundabouts until the road got smaller and smaller and higher and higher in the winding road. So on the mountain, and he took us to until where he couldn't DR anymore
that shows that libya- and I do not like Libya here- it's not likely. They definitely like cent club Sylvie we're gonna smoke a cigarette first, so we leave Carlo behind. Thank you so much and we start working.
Six hours through the pass and then another three hours to go down the careful here,
it's early in the morning, so we're in the shadow at the beginning of the track can only the top of the mountains is sir in the sun,
and it's beautiful, because the sun reflecting the granite- and it is a stunning
the sun, on the mountain arising
finally, if others know will melt already when we reach there. That's very nice, really very nice
when you work for such a long time. You have time to talk
Finally, why we walked. I started to know some more about, but I must come to the vote. I would say something
now a big tree, brain brain, would tell meaningless, and I'm translate that into french photometer. I'm not a contrast, cease for. I see him such a new dress. You that's what I did
lemme see her hand ass, powerful ass, though the poor God says this week. What gives
that said that this right
when when when we started the track, Thomas was very happy to take people in his beloved mountains. You know he was really happy. He was trying to make sure that he was happy and in hee hee hee hee cut. He took his knife. Thomas took his knife and cutter a wooden. Stick
give him to two of mud and it was really looking like a shepherd from Palestine and the Christ time. You know he was like, like a profit, you know when you gave we'll give our majestic Thomas gave me. I don't like the way he gave him that the sick
mind you of his cows in therefore by there used to be alone, but you told me
These guys are reminding me of my life back there because it the same,
bio made just now missing their cows have, but we will try to see some cows
colleagues, you ever do it again,
never mind that how many cows did you have
the global demand. Margaux, it's not belong to them. It would do that for the others, people its rebel leader, but he's taking care of them. And after six months six months, salary is one cow. Ok, one cow to take care of their of their cows. You said that you will buy some cause. I can't do this place as an Almighty in Europe. Can you believe
that money has. You know big imagination. It really is for me no deploying stay on the city. I've met Damas will help you
else would rise,
especially Ibrahim, had a very how would I say optimistic view of France.
Great expectations. Ibrahim's dream was to go to university. Equally, please
happen immediately? We could just cross over the border and I was happy they wanted to
the to France, and I would
do everything for them. So France,
be Sweden soft as possible with them.
But I knew that's what they were expecting was too much
even our aim
you see between the two mountains here yeah? This is the girl dishonest, definitive? This is when we across that place, who would be in the
Iceland is that's nice, three nice to hear so
we are almost out of ITALY is when we have crossed the line. You should congratulate and it was a tough hike.
It was tough for Ibrahim enough mad because they were not used to to walk in the mountaineers landscapes that were not used to work in the mountain to climb the mountain. It was tough for Thomas and I
because we were carrying more than twenty kilos each of a food of extra suits of tents of blankets. You know emergency blankets because we didn't want to take any risk for them when we were just about to cross the border with France, like I don't know, fifteen feet away and suddenly Thomas called me back and says: look there.
Look there's a black here alone. Will down her lonely varying it's important
Lawson, Thummim account. What is I discovered this black
and when I read convinced me that what we did was right are very beautiful, sent and actually through this pass in September, nineteen forty three hundreds of Jews from all over Europe reassurance.
Try to look for I've been in vain to save themselves
anti semitic persecution you cross freely. Remember this
each time you tolerate that someone else doesn't enjoy the same rights as you have rights as you. So I think that if the cops arrest us we'll safer,
you will say we ve been through this very man. You have remained have finally weaker. Thank you. Thank you.
My best friend was you're happy? So I guess
so we can make congratulation cigarettes as much just a few steps,
over the border. I started teaching them. The first french word leave F, thereby leaving the media freedom,
here what happened to Abraham and Ahmad once they climbed down the mountain into France. When we come back, that's
from the centre for investigative reporting and p r ex this is reveal a mallet liberty, freedom. That's the first word report
Raphia Craft teaches his sudanese friends, Ibrahim and Ahmad right after they cross the border into France, he's
just smuggled them over the APS up. This is back in October, two thousand fifteen. At this moment. He turns this tape recorder off as they started, walking down
They see an alpine link below them. Beyond that, there's a french village down in the valley they are exhausted. They are really exhausted because they had never walked through the mountains, like this
they walked down for a few hours until they get to a main road. They get a ride to a free,
the rough yells where they spend the next few days. Then roughly
drives Ibrahim in mind, all the way to Paris
and we we reach our home my home, actually
and and we're happy and the US
a sphere in the house is great for the kids, it's great because they see people.
Coming from very far away Ibrahim in Ahmad stay with rough yell and his wife and kids their apartment for a couple months remember. This is in two thousand fifteen: the height of the refugee crisis
a million people crossed over into Europe that year and the backlash against those newcomers is building
while Ibrahim in a modern Paris with Raphael. The terrorist attacks of November two thousand fifteen EP shootings suicide bombings that kill a hundred and thirty people in wound. Hundreds more ISIS takes credit
So, are you worried about your
your neighbors tell the police on you after the terrorist attack yeah, I was worried because the atmosphere in Paris and in France in General changed
a the police who was everywhere on time. Muslim sentiment was growing so with,
muslim refugees at home. You feel different and
Ibrahim and a man had a look on their face, that was
you could see, fear and a different fear from our fears, that is to say that they have fled,
islands and terror and and realise that it existed also in from so they they were. They were afraid they give you the time them locally stops
no neighbour snitching on reveals family for sheltering to muslim refugees, then
they'll, send a mild and even to stay with a friend in the city called not words easier and faster to give asylum claims process than in Paris
so they put in their asylum paperwork, they tell their stories with they fled in Sudan and they wait. Everything is very slow to
and it is so slow that sometimes you're waiting for
a letter for weeks and this time of expectation. You cannot do anything. You just have to wait.
And wait and wait and it puts you in a very fragile situation- worse,
they re for decision on their asylum cases, though there are also waiting for government housing to come through. They find a temporary situation and abandoned church building. That's been turned into a squat. Full of refugees is jammed pact. Fifteen people to a room. Meanwhile, back in Paris, Raphael decides to just leave,
door open to as many refugees as he can help. We are regularly not every weeks, but every two weeks we have
family coming. We have sometimes one man coming. Sometimes we have somebody who stays for two weeks, sometimes who have somebody who states for one night, I have a bureau in office, and so they sleep in my office when there are killed
my son, who is five years old, is taking the children in charge, so we takes them too to his room so that he can introduce them with his sir his places games, but very often like most of the time
these people have suffered so much. They have been on the road for such a long time. They just want rest, you know, and so this
Sometimes the whole day
in the room. But how do these people find? You mean what's the network? Well, there is a guy, this guy Cedric,
Who often calls me, I don't know who he is, and he doesn't want me to know who he is so it comes to my place. He has a drink and he leaves last time
came with the two were retrain woman and that children of five then he leaves and comes back five days later, to take them again. So yeah, it's some it's it's an informal network that works.
Let's get back to Ibrahim and Ahmad they waited for about a year for their asylum claims to be processed this winter. They got word that there
This is had been decided. They can officially stay in France, so how they don't. Let's start
Abraham well today doesn't want to talk on tape anymore, he's too angry
about his situation and about the refugee situation in Europe and in France in particular. Abraham is very disappointed,
France is not what he was expecting. He thought that once arrived in France, he would go to to the university and he would study because his dream is to study and instead he has been living in poor conditions. He he is not going to university. He still doesn't speak French because some because, as a very good english speaker, he didn t he speaks English with french people.
We still has no job and saw his his kind of depressed. It seems like you in ever. Him were cause your buddies on on that track. What about now now we're still friends but term?
just that is in a very difficult situation and bless he's very far away from his family and that something very important that we must not forget that these people flee they are in exile. They have left,
what the cherished the most. So they do not all react. The same and forty brain meets its quite difficult, but I am quite confident that that he will that he will prevail. What about a mud? Yes, I'm just a little while ago right! Well, I have not seen
but for a months- and I went to you to actually visit him
how are you
when I met Madame,
LEO Train station. My wife had told me whenever you
see how mad call me, because I wanna hear his voice
Surely, if any statistical
We have a levy on their work.
So far the five year. It was amazing, too, to see this guy, who could barely communicate with me on the track, having a conversation in French with my wife, as it turns out, Raphia learned that a mud has a wife back in Sudan, a wife he hasn't seeming years. He wants to bring her to.
France, but his life there so far has been unstable in tough Ahmad had been living in that abandoned church building and not to, but the refugees were evicted in November. Two thousand sixteen the police storm the place and gave every body two minutes to get the stuff and get out. Maud ended up going to the city of Leon. Now is living in a former school. That's been turned into
refugee centre yeah, but the living conditions. There is a very difficult. It's called dirty, there's one kitchen for eighty five people and
the only has four hours of french lessons a week. What were you expecting from?
last journey and what did you find finally find ways are nowhere where often had up in here on my goal was to make it
to France. I had no idea about asylum, but I wanted to make it to a safe place,
have a better life than the one I had back home with all the problems of murder theft and threat. Suddenly, Werner have what I did, what common did Combash do you feel you are strong enough to succeed. You still have strength to succeed
What do you want? Famishing? I have been through the worst it coming
could be worse because, since I was a child and as far as I can remember, my life has been full of difficulty. Are you optimistic? Do you want to go back to Sudan? But do you want how motion man must have told him? I had it in no line. I do not regret live in Sudan lacking I haven't reach that level
A mud is one of the thirty six thousand refugees who received either temporary or permanent asylum in France last year. Eighty five thousand people applied as for rough yell. The refugee crisis is now a major part of his work
A mud is one of the thirty six thousand refugees who received either temper
permanent asylum in France last year, eighty five thousand people applied as for rough.
If you d crisis is now a major part of his work in September, two thousand sixteen. He went public with this whole story in a french radio documentary, then he published a book called smuggler, both the
can, and documentary have been welcome positively by the public three weeks ago.
Right wing newspaper Le Figaro wrote a story that was quite positive about the ex this experience, and so I have. I have received no threats, of course,
Extreme right wing trawls on the internet are having great pleasure to insult me, but they're just trolls, you know so it's ok, he's career hasn't suffered
the police haven't charging for for smuggling in Ahmad and his door still open to refugees coming through Paris, even though France is still trying to keep them out of the country. French police arrested and expelled people at the border, thirty thousand times in two thousand. Sixteen
France has a presidential election coming Alex month. Marine LE pen is one of the top canvas and cheese. Far right conservative she wants to keep the borders closed and curb immigration in the style of president truck. So what does it mean for you? I feel: will you just keep hosting people? What if she wins? I think situation p b, terrible for a lot of people in France and especially
in the style of president trot. So what's at me for you, I feel: will you just keep hosting people? What if she wince, I think situation. Would he be terrible for a lot of people in France and especially refugees, undocumented people, but I'm quite
confidence that the civil society will react, and as of myself, I will keep hosting people
whether they are legal or illegal.
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