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It died with more Arnold, our thanks to deep dive for their support from the centre for investigative reporting and p r ex. This is reveal an ice please come the rajah filling in four Allison. I started work. Not reveal in twenty fifteen back before this was a weekly radio show, and I can count on my hands. The number of times out has stepped away from the I see. No, this is for a good reason. You'll get to hear the new investigation he's reporting in a few months and in the meantime, to tell you a story today. We're gonna start back on October. Second, twenty twenty President Trump just tested positive for the corona virus.

The country is accelerating into its third wave in vaccines, are still months away, but pandemic be damned here in New York City. You still have to move your car for street sweeping so early. One morning I walk enemy, building with everyone else parked on the Friday side of our narrow street. I get in the car and I turn on my radio in USA to the breakfast club. Yo Yo Yo Yo Yo Yo Yo Yo Yo Yo Yo Yo Yo Yo Yo Yo Yo, YO, YO, YO, YO, YO, YO, YO, YO, YO, YO, YO, YO, YO, YO, YO, YO, YO, YO, YO, YO, YO, Yo Yo letter. We stone Arusha that way. Charlemagne began, a is fraud. The breakfast club is a popular. Radio show based in New York it syndicated across the country, gets Lillian listeners a month and milk.

it's more watch online. One day, it's red man promoting a four twenty rap Battle Day before that its PETE Buddha judge talking infrastructure in this morning in October, Charlemagne, the God, the most outspoken of the three posts is ripping on the president's positive test. What is Charlemagne gave a few thoughts? First of all, I am not about to be happy there I've been Maloney, a God. Corona would never celebrate something happening to a person that I don't want to happen to me in my and I'm listening along kinda nodding? My head, like? I wonder what is going to happen to the president, he's in his seventies he's overweight and as some thinking this Charlemagne takes the conversation in a direction I don't become a watch. The conspiracy beers in me simply doesn't believe. I really If you like, this is applied to change the headlines. Hours applauded

I draw the line up to take their goddamn value. Menu vaccine that they can be rolling out could even be the first person to act like you, taken it and beat a hero. next thing. You know young have microchips pr. Booty right is harmful. Goddamn thanksgiving microchips in the vaccine, millions of people line up to get it. Oh microchip implants Bali on before we go any further. We gotta say there is no microchip in any of the vaccines. Maybe Charlemagne is assuming that his listeners know. This theory is laughably bogus when he said As a next thing. You know you have a microchip in your, but by the fourth time he repeated, I'm wondering we all know he's joking

there are lots of reasons people give for not getting a covert vaccine lack of access, personal choice, general distrust. Then there are the conspiracy theories which have spiked during the pandemic. The World Health organization holds it in info dammit, where dangerous medical misinformation, so's chaos and mistrust and makes the pandemic even worse. Recently, it's been so bad that the W H show is named vaccine hesitancy, one of the top ten threats to global health. In the U S, the end of this pandemic feels so close, literally and arms length away, but only

enough arms get the vaccine today show is about conspiracy theories, lies and misinformation. We're looking at three different stories about how lies, spread and told they take up. First does here: A bogus theory, like the one I heard my car about microchips, does that actually influence people. I called a doctor who works at the close of tasks, but all too, where I heard that conspiracy on the radio Doktor Jordan now so for the past four years, I've been in residency kings, county hospital, slash slowly down state in Brooklyn, Doktor DOW works in a major public yard that serves mostly blackened latino patients when we spoke earlier this year, he'd been getting a lot of questions about the covert vaccines he almost almost Frederick the almost daily and an also you know like nursing staff who comes up and ask that is the situation,

and other staff and hospitals. As is said, whenever those questions came up with patients or staff, doktor doubt listened, I thought have to hear all their concerns. I have to let them get it all because I don't know, one of my concerns are irrelevant to that. Wanna hear like what are like the meetings that keep you from doing this patients would tell him their suspicious of how quickly the drug was developed, the financial interests of drug companies. All of that doctor down with happy to discuss appropriate scepticism. I think is essential and it was now. Scepticism is actual distrust Charlemagne, the God on the breakfast club earlier this year takes it even are there and I'm sick of you acting like the distress black people have for the vaccine is unwarranted. I've never seen as gum being around

the combat any other elements in the black community, not the ratio, wealth gap, not police brutality, not lack a healthcare, mental and physical. What all of a sudden you want to come in and say what would this vaccine has been too much malpractice denominated people for us to judge all of a sudden truck jar in regard to this vaccine, allocate what black person you're going to take it publicly Charlemagne with unconvinced by Pierre essays of black celebrities. Getting the vaccine doktor doubt who is black and latino also was unmoved by vaccine testimonials. He had developed the trial studies in the Peer Review data himself before he was ready to trust the vaccine enough to take it, which eventually, he did doktor doubt- is open about his own distrust of the medical system, but there's another kind of scepticism. He has less patients, for

The things I'm sick of hearing are that were putting a five g microchip me with a swamp. This is a variant on the microchip vaccine. Conspiracy theory. I had heard doktor douse patients worried that a tiny piece of tracking technology was at the end of the little covert test Q Tipp going up. There knows, and apparently this conspiracy theory came up- a lot I had a swamp Ike hundreds of people and, like twenty percent of them, thought I was putting something in their nose and like I would just look at them like this is not the time to play? Can we please move on, but lots of a man our are having a hard time. Moving on from this very concern, a pool found that more than one in four adults said they don't know if the covert vaccines contain a tracking microchip,

Nearly seventy million Americans. This one in particular this might chip. Wine is just big. It's everywhere. Joan Donovan, is the research director of the shore Instinct Centre at Harvard she's, a leading expert on disinformation and early in the pandemic. She studied the spread of this It touches all different kinds of folks in a heap. Coming up in these different ways: the microchip conspiracy theory as infected communities, urban and rural black and white, liberal and conservative, and she track the live all the way back to where it started. The microchip stuff comes out of its very nature, saint conspiracy. So, let's do a little conspiracy contact tracing like so many conspiracy theories, this one's based on a tiny

of truth. On March eighteenth, twenty twenty bill gates logged onto a red, it M aid to answer people's questions about the new surging pandemic and in that chat. he predicted one day, we would all carry a digital passport for a health records, not a microchip, but some kind of key vaccination card that we would show to get into places the next day a website that itself. The first and only new source on Bio hacking wrote about gates comment. I talked with their admin, who goes by the name cipher, and this is gonna. Get weird. Cipher belongs to a community of bio hackers who advocate for human implantable microchips. They also have them and they gave their blog post. The untrue headline bill gates will use microchip implants to fight corona virus.

But even these futurists couldn't have predicted what would happen next allow. This is Adam with LAW of liberty. I want to share in article with you today look at this bill gates. We use micro chip implants, tough corona virus. That's right! Bill gates. Just two days after the blog Post, a Baptist pastor from Jacksonville Florida makes a biblical case. It's not just in implantable idea system, its literally worshipping this beast, which is the Anti Christ that gives glory to the dragon, which is the devil that is Satan, so this mark of Satan Bill Gates warns about its true. It's not But this video, with its incomprehensible logic, quickly, gets one point six.

million views in order of magnitude. More than anything, the pastors account had ever received a few days later Bill Gates invents this chip away just announced that their considering using it a New York comedian uploads this now once they have that shipping. body who knows what they're gonna do a deal later we know for sure it's a plan, dynamic survivalist joins Bill, gates, one anybody moving around in the country or abroad without a certificate verifying that they ve been vaccinated. Tell me if you heard this one, a pastor, a comedian, doomsday pepper, all walk into a well, that's just not worth repeating, but people repeat. This lie all over you

Tik Tok, twitter and Facebook, but it's really a story about Roger Stone, again June Donovan, disinformation researcher at Harvard Riches, just Roger Stone being or understand, Roger Stone, political adviser, Donald Trump, who was convicted of repeatedly lying to Congress, a guest appearance on the Joe Pisca Post, show em nine. Seventy New York City, Roger Stone, standing by your peacekeeper on the radio, Joe Pisca POW, is an early ass, an owl star who now hosts those incredibly long daily, talk shows, and it's here on April, thirteenth. Twenty twenty during the fourth hour of the Joe Pisca polls show that Roger Stone becomes one of the super spreading. This lie husband

waiting for principle. Thank you, Roger Stone. The legend on on the phone with your peacekeeper peacekeeper, barely tease up stone with a question about the virus before stone lays bare. So I try to break down please wetter bill. its played some more in the creation and spread of this virus is open for vigorous debate, have conservative and you say it's ridiculous, I of others who say its absolute, but here's what I do know for certain he and other globalists. are definitely using it in a drive for mandatory vaccinations and micro chipping people. So we can tell Gordon Cole where you ve been tested. You know what I say go over my dead body over my dead body later than afternoon. The new post runs the headlines, Roger Stone, Collins,

Bill gates may have created corona virus to microchip people, and then I just went totally Vienna lower Facebook. Is this information expert slang for the moment, a rumour jumps from the fringe into popular consciousness, the New York Posts story and the Baptist pastors. Video are liked in shared all over Facebook We don't really know how it developed sense. Then, since April twenty twenty the lie keep spreading and mutating a recent Microsoft back. Oh six: oh six, oh six,

a six execs involves another implantable device for into new variant sensor, attachment start into the body which will be paid in reaching new. These chips, buying away, aren't just a little passive ones, with a super sensors now across the globe, requested you be doing important from its Yoni Pharmacy in Olympia he thought she put her she'd get ideas for a guy like that, but the viral live at the center stays the same wagons and- and I know this sounds like a gothic mountainous and twelve months ago- you- I would never have come out of my mouth, but this does not end with It's all signing might in our hands easier to get him. The pop out, when I reached out to

Youtube to ask how they moderate medical misinformation. No one would talk to me. Instead, a representative sent a statement saying they removed nine hundred thousand misleading videos about the corona virus, including thirty thousand videos, just about Since you two even has a policy banning videos that clean There are microchips in the vaccine, but in April, when I was reporting this story, all the Youtube's you heard were still alive: including the video that helped spark this whole conspiracy. Theory, the one from that Baptist pastor in Florida, embedded quantum dots in through the body to keep your medical hackers- and this is part of a larger agenda. This is part, had wrapped up merely two million views, so I Youtube. I link asking why this viral video was still active. Forty

hours later, more than a year after, at first went up Youtube decided to take it down. In total, the company removed six out of the seven videos I asked about the comedian got to stay, Tiktok removed five out of six videos, about an facebook says it removed sixteen million pieces of content that violated its covered and vaccine misinformation policy and says it's warning labels on a hundred and sixty seven million pieces of content raided false by their fact checking partners, but even that jawdropping amount is just a fraction of what experts say is out there for countering digital hate and enter national NGO that studies online misinformation found that platforms failed to act, a ninety five percent of covert and

seen related misinformation reported to them. So when people go looking for information about the vaccine, does chance that the first thing they run into might be alive. It's a life and death decision and Joan Donovan says that could sway whether or not people choose to get vaccinated? We don't know how many of you nah showing up to the doctors, because they believe this, but the ones that do here her ball and vulnerability is totally artificial if the platforms, r p traditions of bad information whose attention to those lies and trying to inoculate the public with timely, accurate, real information polls show many Americans haven't made up their minds yet about the vaccine and twenty percent say they refuse to get it

How much of that has to do with misinformation? what does that mean for the end of the pandemic? I called one more doctor I'm Lee Riley on professor of Infectious disease school hollowed out the years California abruptly professor and head of the division of the. Anxious disease in vaccine, ology, Doktor Riley, says something I hadn't heard anyone else say before and in a way, it's good news, I'm not that concern about the twenty percent bookkeeper who end up not receiving the vaccine because many of these people will get naturally infected, never get naturally then there are becoming ill. Unfortunately, it's not good news for everybody if they contain to resist getting the vaccine. I yes they'll, get sick, made them all hospitalized in. In summary, I should die with it since it said the little call to the people who There are no longer with us

This is their belief system and I made the decision to not get the vaccines They can exercise their personal liberty on this. One nature always takes care of itself, but our information ecosystem. Doesn't. If you want to know what the government is or rather isn't doing about, vaccine misinformation read our text story, you can find it on the verge or our sight reveal news dot. Org coming up next from stop,

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Dot com sash reveal to start a free trial. That's o d, o o dot com sash, reveal from the centre for investigate reporting, and pr ex. This is reveal I'm Ike's risk on the regime in four Allison I want you to picture is seen hundreds of people standing on the granite steps of the cap, Building, but it's the capital building of Colorado in April twenty. Sixteen also worth noting. This crowd is angry at the Republican Party in the steel they want to stop is the nomination of anyone other than Donald Trump for President

This was the beginning of stop the steel and it wasn't just a catchy chant, so we got these have with their stock. The steel door- and I thank you, You will understand that this is a group of cholera was sir, but from the start, stop the steel was a group of activists in a set of tactics. in Colorado it started at the carcass that Saturday, when TED Crews, one all the states republican delegates, Donald Trump started, complaining the bosses at the establishment and the people that shouldn't this power took all of the power away from the voters. Voters took it out. local establishment, boss, state g P Chairman Steve House, every good day when he would say something Phone would ring with somebody else. You know, I hope your daughters are

earning cages and raped by extremists than we're on the way to your house in Colorado. Right now, stop the steel was trying to harness that anger, trumpet whipped up and pointed at the upcoming republican convention in Cleveland to get the party to pick Trump through a show of force come to clean March I'm clean when you might recognize that voice from earlier in the show when he was talking about bill gates, putting microchips and the vaccine stopped the steel founder. Mr Rogers, we will disclose the hotels in Rome numbers of those delegates who are you we are involved in the steel. We urge you to visit their hotel and find them this plan D. Or the twenty sixteen republican convention it didn't happen, It was largely forgotten because

from one the nomination, fair and square, but stop the steel didn't stop their reveals. Nl corn has been tracing the history of these three little words and he's going to tell you what happened next, your stand. As soon as he won the nomination, Donald Trump started, saying the twenty sixteen election was gonna, be rigged and stop the steel dot, org explain exactly how Hillary Clinton and the Democrats were going to reprogram Diebold Voting machines and also flood the poles, with quote illegals top them stop. The steel was calling for an army of volunteers to show up at key precincts on election day. Looking for fraud, whatever happened, Laura Stir, Chaskey was going to cover it for reveal by shadowing they stopped the steel point person in Philadelphia.

socratic city in a swing state where Trump insisted there be voter fraud. As far as you could tell what was stopped, the steel in Philadelphia in twenty sixteen In reality, yeah there did seem to be grand plans like when you would go to the website. Stop the steel. Like they were organizing people, but then, when I was with Jack day it was kind of just jack. Jack is jackpot. Sobek a game of Thrones blogger turned pro Trump twitter troll, who was working with Roger Stone on election warning, Laura caught up with him at this to Ethiopia headquarters. How is your mood right now to say almost cited you gave me I live for this. I live or die adrenaline rush of election day. Exposing the floor. turn abuses of our democracy. This is

Christmas morning he's basically pacing around an like waiting for urge that something has happened. So he can rush to the scene and then find like something happens and he's like. Ok, it's on, so we jump in the car as you could solve the kind of living here, jacks driving and discuss other guy jumps in the back see the drama on work. a media people. Can you identify yourself rise and bird fully republican Party. What you're all communications lead you're really napkins sounds like he's eating a sandwich. Yeah Albert had a hoagie and he's like cramming this hoagie in his mouth and damage. We are to you now. I think this is gonna, be the story of a day for us. So we are really going to push this and Albert is like freaking out you can properly.

Relax I'll. Keep that the message sharp and time like he was so excited tat. First thing my name is Bernie. I forgot to ask them for men, and today I witnessed Vodafone period awesome and he starts making all these calls Albert eyes and bird. We spoke very recently trying to get other media to come to this pulling place where we're headed, hey. We gotta really hot issue a voter fraud up and win fields, and we're headed there now when its meanwhile, is using his phone to talk to his followers on Twitter is five stream: video app periscope, zero Jack sobering. Another report, voter Freud, malice working to get some of the more traditional media work govern alive. That's how we roll around here at the time it seems clear that, like they we're, trying to discredit the election before the election happened. finding ways to do legitimize, and

I guess I was just like this is so weird like what are they gonna say when we get there like. I was really curious to see how Jack would filled her what was happening to his followers and we work? There's really so we pull out then there's this woman, Brittany, Foreman, you tell me what happened at the top of yes from am. I came in I the issue with the committee person and, to be honest, So if you like, it was a little confusing and hard to figure out what exactly the complaint was at one point it like she was saying, I then I witnessed how actually go Someone with the Democratic Party who was going into voting lists with people and an offer to assist the elderly aside, the voting booth, but then it was like that they are is. Is that person just helping? I dont know what I was doin I dont know what he did and near

you could have a hidden the buttons for all. I know, interestingly jack didn't seem that curious about her or what the account was and Jack kind of like those off to the side. Just talking its followers working together, complete collusion, and I was like a lion get away with murder in internal politics its. I go there, be therein. Persons set it up so they something could have happened. And then you just say that had happened and You were there and so it seems more legitimate to people doing that's why I'm periscope Ngos That's why I've got other media out here, the other media coming and we're going to expose this for what it is and people know so suddenly at the scene, time across town. The phones are ringing at that. Online set up to deal with allegations like this one trend by the Philadelphia

district attorney's, election fraud task force made up of several dozen investigators and more than seventy lawyers, including Andrew Wellbeing. it was all run of the mill complaints I went to vote and my name must have in person. The register of waste It's time you voted. Ninety. Ninety four! Ok, that's why nothing actually alleging a crime! sounds like it's a lot of baby sitting. Yeah me. We are often put in a position of basically be told relate the referees and, as the day goes on, start to hear stories that are more disturbing somebody the prosecutor, start saying things like hey we're seeing this on Twitter Racine this on Twitter, it's like the players are in their complaints to the fans. Instead of the rafts the fully GEO P, It's that voting machine is defaulting to Clinton when voting for Trump and between,

a video of Brittany, Foreman Hashtag, voter fraud illegal. It opens with Albert's line from the My name is very warm and they are waiting for fraud yoke, their pupils. Even if the internet, about all these things that are having sought Althea, but we weren't getting phone calls. Albert Eyes and bird claims. The Philly GEO P was calling in some of these complaints, but that he raised ask force. We didn't I get anything akin to what the silly GEO P Twitter account was. Putting out all morning and at two p m we did a big press, conference. We have no founded complaints of intimidation, no founded complaints of voter fraud. We base said fully GEO P. Please call us if you have these complaints and we can address them and at two p m they stop tweeting, so We ask them to put up or shut up and decide to shut up rather than provide us with events, but the internet does not shut up there

Brittany, Foreman Video is retweeted by people like Jack. The Sobek ultimately watched hundreds of thousands of times picked up by websites like info wars and bright part with headlines. Like Philip, watcher says she personally witnessed voter fraud still This is a one day story. Trump wins. The that night and most people move on, including Andrew to me came and went, and that was that until for you, later when Andrew would run the Philadelphia election task force for the twenty twenty election Here we are now just hours from election day, twenty twenty campaign Collingwood thousands to monitor what the present insist, is an election rigged against to go into the pause and watch very carefully is bad things happen in Philadelphia, bad things,

when we got that hot line up its when we realise that thinks it things are very different. good cause, my guys and taxes. Are there steel in the vulgar potent banners on the buildings. I, Sir, that was taken down right when the pause open. The seventeen July enemy, when you may like is not there at some point they start getting cause about a video going around on Twitter, its thirty seconds law of middle age. white man demanding to be led into a funeral parlor where people are voting That is not what the treaty says. pour water and Philly was just wrongfully prevented from entering the polling place, which is technically accurate. The pull watcher Gary Feldman should have been. Let it Gary solemnly call us to say that we would

Yes, he is allowed to be there. That's not what they wanted They wanted to show they wanted that headline that you referred to, so he didn't make a complaint that was a guy deja vu of twenty sixteen. Same deal. All over again but saying was the same deal as twenty. Sixteen is kind of like saying too, Irish or the same when one is a candle and the others. The fuse of a bomb one of the many groups monitoring and countering election misinformation. That day was first draft news war Garcia in their UK office had the early shift. So actually the first thing that I remember, reading digging into on that day is that video between doesn't give him patient other than Philadelphia, so long It tries to look for clues in the video itself, just because someone says it's really doesn't mean it's really, but by the time she tracks it down.

Between is already going viral. It's one of those like worst case scenario, things we just so it's starting to Papa Instagram and then someone else across different influencers. You were talking about it and we. and started to see them headlines believed story on bright Bart was the steel is on in Pennsylvania. Pull watch Mr Night Access, and then there is the little three word hashtag at the end of between what did you think when you first saw those words? Stop the steel man at such a good has tag its George, it's punch its active. It tells you as an audience that there's something that you can do about it pleasant alone. Nation in there, which is always nice, the stop the steel hashtag with being treated more than ten thousand times in our its election day, peak attached to all kinds of different conspiracy theories, but was all

it off by this one video pull watcher Gary Feldman with a push from someone who met up with Jerry later that day to do a periscope, your life, your Gary Velvet, who has gone viral this? Yes, that is Jack, I'll bet. He went from running the silly start, the steel operation out of his car and twenty sixteen to being able to kick Dorothy nation wide stop the steel hashtag in twenty twenty people, realize house- entered, he's become in the world of right wing media. He is a huge star Michael Edison, Hayden, wrote an investigative series about Jack's rise for the southern Poverty law centre. Where he's a reporter and spokesperson Jack's opening act was at the door. The creation of the National Museum of african american history and culture, where Jack showed up in a hurry Clinton, Mask during a sign that said, blacks are super predators. That's how you gonna work,

the scene and then from there the next time he does a live streaming stand. It is pizza gate. He lives streamed from pizzeria, Comet, PETE, Eureka The conspiracy theory that Democrats were running a child sex ring their rude. there's some high level stuff, your guys we're doing a very high level stuff as I call and others have documented jack- worked with white supremacist, Dachstein alleged victims of sexual abuse and route, keenly pushed this information, but each controversy just more attention more followers, and no real negative repercussions from twitter or on the right wing media. I think, on the right, The media is viewed as a sort of battle zone and Davy jack. Bizarre back, I think there's a guy who just fights relentlessly and they don't care that he fights dirty, especially because the way he fights for Donald Trump after Trump praise,

Both sides of the deadly white supremacist rally in Charlottesville Jack, asked in a tweet why the mainstream media wasn't instead covering. Violence in Chicago, look out, I'm seeing out there, many one on live stream. Trunk just retreated me dear apparently, the president just retweeted me can you get like your vote or something I didn't know this very go there at the time but the twenty twenty election Jack was a correspondent at the one American news network and he had more one million twitter followers, including president Trump and his two adult sons. What does it say that Jack has been able to achieve that level of logic lemme, see? Railways, the appearance of legitimacy what it says is that the right in this country there

created a kind of an entirely Pizarro ecosystem of meat, an commentary. You know look at some of the figures, you promoted stop the steel, for example, of which Jaipur so because one of them- and then these are p- with no discernible credentials whatsoever. Outside of social media manipulation not only had Jack become a star. He was part of a whole all new Trump media Galaxy for the top institutions studying social media misinformation got together for the twenty twenty election as the election integrity project and they put out a list of the most influential repeats predators of false and misleading stories on Twitter, the top twenty included bright Barton boxes, Sean Hannity and right between Donald Trump himself, an account

with a username cat turn to was Jackpot Sobek Jack decline. Comment on this by the way other than to say He shares things. His followers might find interesting, anyways after election day? The viral lies that these and other influencers were sharing, got increasingly detached from reality in Philadelphia, the fur big new allegation, Andrew well Brok, had to deal with was a claim that Republican Pull watchers couldn't see the counting of votes. You know we didn't any calls about it, but we saw a line and was a quarry Lewandowski was outside it, center yonder nor megaphone. So walked into the room ages, look, can pull larger. Lorries are hands. Can you see yeah My work is done. I left, but Andrews work was just beginning. He now prosecuting two men who drove up to the vote count from Virginia with an assault rifle

in the back of their hummer after one of em texted going to p, I have a truck load of fake ballots were going to raid. There's a good disconnect from reality that will continue. Surprise me always: the men were Initially, let out on bail until they showed up at the U S: capital on January Sixth, motivated because they think democracy. is being stolen, their rights are being curtailed. I called up Joan Donovan misinformation expert from Harvard Light This is a reason why people go to war and these false beliefs, it didn't stop with the attack on the capital. Majority of Republicans still think. Tromp won the election Joan thinks that's in part due to being saturated with misinformation repeatedly in post after post and redundant early on platform after platform, Facebook, Twitter TV,

video in the repetition plus the redundancy starts Do you take on a key character of something must be true, because a lot of people are saying it. And that's really wide media maybe later in distant former's bay. Gone. That's what their strategic advantage is Jones he's misinformation as a feature of social media, not a bug and shipping. Dealing with it is a problem. A lot more people need to actively be working on in the federal government and also at the social media companies themselves. If these common please do not start to take both positions and action on authoritarian? especially now, we're gonna, be in serious, serious problems, because only ten years in to this social media era jump another. Five years down the road we ve been traveling. Couldn't

To a really dark place, but also she thinks It's not to wait to pull the emergency brake had somewhat different. That was revealed, stand out. Court lies, misinformation and conspiracy theories, aren't just a political problem after the break. We hear from a family that- split between two realities- that's coming up on reveal.

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text. The word reveal two thousand four hundred and seventy four seven hundred and forty seven standard data rates apply and you can text stop at any time. Again. Text reveal two thousand four hundred and seventy four seven hundred and forty seven thank you supporting the show from the centre for investigator reporting and p r acts. This is reveal an x ray, come the Rajah Infer outlets. Roughly a third of american adults, believed that the results of the twenty twenty presidential election or fraudulent That's about seventy five million people who believed the lie that the election was stolen from Donald Trump Lucy Concepcion is one of them. I, like trump. I see the conservative agenda that it brings to the country.

And I know that there are corrupt politicians that he's fighting and all that stuff, but then, do you it seems like it's a conspiracy, the? U Lucy's. Talking too, is her son Albert Summah hop an investigative reporter at Buzzfeed where he first wrote about, their strained relationship would have been main challenges. Will the challenge? Maybe that's my ideas are different from yours. You know that I believe in you. Anna right, Lucy treads in the world of Cuban Albert works in the world. A verifiable information. Do you think you're right, but to me I think, not, so I think the challenge that you have is the gun. answer me that you're, right mother, no Mamma around with very storyteller phase, will be hard to convince its a dynamic

that so many american families are trying to navigate. What do you do when someone you'd love, believes in an elaborate series of lies, so we asked Albert to tell us how he and his mom do it? How did they manage to stay a part of each other's lives while living fundamentally different realities? What else groaned I was an only child, choose a single mom, so it's kind of just us two against the world. At every step. It was my voice that she gave most weight to whether it was like. Should I keep dating this guy or just take this job that job we worth paddling in the same chamber I value the same things she value. What are your hopes for the future for you or for me above for both of us for each of US I wish you would be on the same goals

a great deal of political views, as I hope together Nothing else matters except that yeah. For me. guess I mean it's just, I think you were trained differently from where I was coming from what I learned about politics. She wrote in the Philippines and Ferdinand Marcos who was present at the time. Declares martial law in that you sent me to the presidency becomes a dictatorship. You know she grew up believe that America was the most stable place in the world? I think, like a lot of immigrants, her american dream is rooted in the opportunities of her children. I think she also it only for time achieved the american dream that she wouldn't say with primary, which was her own success, For the moment, when the mid two thousands When you know we were fired super had she was right

estate agent and she was selling a dozen houses a year. She bought a bands and then you know like millions of other people, my mom was it really art by the housing crash and when market collapsed. She, had to sell my childhood home at a loss, and she has been trying to claw her way back since so. This is now around like two thousand ten, as the financial troubles were happening, the voices she trusted warlike Obama, Muslim and american making up all this disinformation about him. Shoes beginning turn to more and more of these far right wing sites that we're popping up on the internet. My friends we're all conservatives right so. We share the same ideas, but then do you, it seems It's a conspiracy and I

blame you it's just because you don't see it. I know that, especially as ensuring the list you have see evidence. Ok, my friends, we eve. What is being said he had grown up in society in the Philippines. under a dictatorship, were she always believed that they were dirty machinations happening on behind the curtains by twenty eighteen she starts to tell me about these posts on line that claim to be written by a high level government operative with two level clearance, and this person claim the sprawling global child trafficking. Cabal people would be sought

people will be shop when they find out about opera winfried a lot of how people lot of politicians. I mean people, just don't you tropic battling with deep state she's got if grand plans arrest. Everybody involved in advance. What about the reason why it's not being exposed yet is because a lot of people they might just go crazy see if they find out what Tom Hanks he drinks agenda. Chrome, this guy's a beetle feel. Yet he supposed to be a good person and especially as an investigative reporter were, my entire vocation comes down to proving the truth to other people. The fact I can convince the mob of what I found to be obvious truth was was very frustrating. How does it feel to navigate thank these past few years? Our relationship with difficult, I think, we're both pretty hard headed. I think we're frustrated by the

same thing, which is that there's nothing we can say to convince the other person. I feel right now it s comes a point that what ever look, if that's, what you mean That's fine! I see love you. I cannot convince you I think a seamless you they should have shifted a measure of success away from having to persuade her two more so try to understand her and occur to me that this was also a much more productive. approach for our relationship at this hour. Sometimes smog It means that even arguments anymore but like when we share whatever leaves we have. This can just the spice of life. It just makes life.

better or more fun, then, if there was anything to talk about, some fishing gets a gay Albert and Lucy have spent more than a decade arguing trying to get and see each other. What's true, and what's not so at this point the Joker it about whether or not the alleged cabal a blood drinking Hollywood. Sex traffickers will be brought to justice, but we have our bet right. Its philosophy has happened by August have by August, and I went to bed Yes, a dollar. What are you hopes for yourself and for I wanna be rich enough, so that you never have to work again. I want you to have peace and be able to today's doing whatever you want. That's them! but I can ask for if the arrests don't happen by August, will you we still believe we'll talk about the date when Trump is backing off it?

you changing the terms of the of the wage and now you're talking to mom I thought it. You know. I love you. I love you, take care you to my taxi- that's that's Buzzfeed reporter Albert, ah ha and his mom Lucy Conception. Albert, is writing a book about his family's immigration. story. It comes out later this year me a warrant produced this story, Red Myers and talk. You telling me this added the show I was our lead producer thanks to Isabel Cristo, for her research on the stop the steel story, thanks also to the team at the Atlantic councils, digital forensics, research, lap, University of Washington,

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