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Some time in the eighteen eighties. My great great grandfather built a heavily
large house in the city of our girl in North India. The house
had many rooms built around the courtyard and about garden filled with plants and trees
outside? There was a bustling market, but behind
in the high walls. The house was his own secluded world that
is gone now.
Was a child was still there and whenever
went to visit my grandparents in India. We would stay at the heavily the family, home
to me. It was a magical, place, tribes,
monkeys, Rome through the trees, and they often
into the rooms he had to sleep with a stick. Besides your Betsy and stop the animals were stealing your shoes
someone's would no longer used. The
The cheering them was coated with a thick layer of dust outside the toilet, blockhead spiders, which made
scary to visit in the night, even with a flashlight those electricity.
Some time spent, if you wanted hot water for above one of the servants had to heated and bring it to your quarters.
Defining moment of my childhood was the shame of realising that another little boy, just my age, had to carry a heavy buckets. I could wash. It was a house built for household a family and the people who work for them.
My great grandfather had loved traditional indian wrestling when he inherited the house. He built a wrestling pit by the servants quotas in the garden.
The peak was a sandy enclosure. We matches could take place
one year when I was eight or nine. A big tournament was held there, and I was
To sit at the front of the crowd is enormous main, with impressive curled moustaches oil themselves up and grappled competing for a crime.
Given by my grandfather, the house. Whenever one else was occupied,
I climbed out of the windows and walk along ledges high above the street, and one day
When I was ten or eleven, I found my way into
forgotten room in the compound it had been. My great grandfather study
the shells held a dusty jumble of books and papers. There were
photos, family groups, sports teams, a book
was lying on the table
only remember it because of the strange title, the lie
of our society by sea doubly led by
and Annie Bassett I'll sign, IE eight,
I'll see why oh Anne E, what does that mean? I doubt I read much of the book. Beyond the title page, it was published in ninety
Twenty four, I do remember the curious subtitle rents. In a veil of time,
you listening to into the zone upon cost about opposites and how boot
and never is clear, as we think
hurry concerning this episode,
about gurus and disciples is about
East and West
but a young indian. He didn't want to be the new Messiah.
About my family and how they
SK covered that fighting colonialism might involve. Making contact
being from the
Lastly, in plain language,
Now years later I know much.
Or about the authors of the lives of our society together, they,
the leaders of a mystical religion. The book is a record of the past lives of a boy who never
to be the new messire. Why that book was in my great grandfather study
is one of the strangest stories in my family. It's a story
I've only recently begun to understand, but first
young Indiana Jones has a question for his dad. What's he ass? Well, they also believe in the commonality of all. Religions.
What they call a brotherhood of man. The adventures of Young Indiana Jones was a tv series that ran in the nineteen nineties. Chronicled
Trotting colonial youth, the fictional archaeologist from raiders, if the livestock, it's kind of a weird, show very preoccupied by intellectual things,
young indeed Jones goes to Russia and meets Tolstoy in Vienna.
His father takes him to the first cycle, analytical conference, where they hang out with Freud, and you
an episode in these father
has been invited to India to give a lecture
attend a meeting of a group called the theosophical society very steadily psychic an supernatural phenomenon.
There's even Aruba. They found him aside some sort of great spiritual teacher, maybe so
The young in these governess dismisses the whole thing is Flynn. Flam anyway feel
The fee is much more than a sub plot in an obscure televised precaution,
is one of the strangest in most quietly influential religious organisations of modern times
If you ve ever heard about organs, colors therapy clairvoyant source spirit guides, you have Theosophy
the thing it's behind many of the ideas we associate with the new Age Movement fiasco
inspired some of the wildest pop culture of the twentieth century. The book I found in my great grandfathers, dusty study,
The first sign I had my family had been involved in it. It turned out.
Woven into my life, who deeply than I knew.
Theosophy starts with one of those great self invented people Madame
Helen amplified, ski
she was a minor russian aristocrat and it's probably significant
Mother was a romantic novelist, though Helena
ASCII hisself wrote a numbers books, a most stirring.
It was her own life. She
the heroine of her own adventures story. She grew up in a drafty house. In Ukraine,
we're only pastime was coming up in the library and reading.
Had grandmothers account books at the
just seventeen. She married a forty year old man who happened to be devised.
Winner of Yerevan in the Caucasus, awhile
border region of the russian Empire
skis. Marriage lasted three months, then
She ran away
her father sent someone to bring her home, but she gave him the slit indeed and almost unthinkable.
Thing for a seventeen year old, rich girl in eighteen, forty eight she made it to the black sea.
Who did a steam ship and headed for
stand in April to start a new life.
We don t exactly know how she supported herself, probably by working
spirit, medium. Madame
Lebowski was fond of putting her occult knowledge to use, contacting the dead on behalf of the living
so far, all I've told you is actually true there,
Still Helena Plover excuse romantic story. Well, perhaps not so much,
her own account she set off around the world. Looking for secret knowledge, she went to Syria, Mexico, Egypt, in India,
She was badly wounded in a battle of fighting alongside italian revolutionaries. She was shipwrecked,
journeyed in a covered wagon across Amerika. She wrote back
back in a circus, she outwitted secret agents in Central Asia and played a major role in the great game. Is people called the GEO political power struggle between
the russian and british empires.
He climbed the Himalayas and studied in Tibetan Buddhist monastery.
Then in eighteen, fifty one Lebowski attended to
exhibition in the Crystal Palace there.
She had a vision of a spirit, this being
Master Maria explained that he was one of the great White Brotherhood. We I note that sounds like a prison getting, but the brotherhood was blocked
reported a band of super beings who secretly looked after the earth
from then on. Lebowski was in regular contact with these, so called ascended monsters. They taught her. So she said the secrets of the Universe
Madame Lebowski led an extraordinary opiates fever dream of a life.
In point. In a life like that, it becomes obvious that you should start your own religion. She could
that the theosophical society it
to be the vanguard of a new kind of universal human Brotherhood. Theosophies
we're going to use the combined wisdom that the world's religions to discover hidden
to unknown laws of nature. They would generally pill
humanity level up
turning us all into spiritual,
super men and women. If you
reed, theosophical descriptions of the ascended masters, it's kind of like a cosmic boy band
everyone has his own look
Jesus in the butter in there, but so is by, and
it sounds like guys like hilarious sexy greek
in charge of science who to me
fast Kashmiri and, of course, Maria. Yet the Spirit she met at the Crystal Palace he's a flashing, I'd watch but pray
a plethora of leading men
for the leading lady, Madame Lebowski,
the time she died in eighteen, ninety one, a new rules
You must doing very well fiasco
He was Madame la that Skis gifted future. This ethical, wizards and mistakes were turning up in popular novels along.
With shadowy groups like the nine unknown man
by the early years of the twentieth century. The public was in love with stories about teams of beings with superhuman powers and missions to save the earth. The x men
and the avenge is direct descendants of the beings into the pantheon
these green lantern is part of an interstellar law enforcement agency. This, like a cop version of the Great White Brotherhood,.
People here is a one theosophical legacy and, of course, there's this, so it safe to talk about flying saucers and people from outer space
the aliens. This is a news reports, a cool jack Webster. You had a tea
They show in Vancouver nineteen sixties, people who may be
relating among us now and demonstrate their unearthly qualities.
If they choose you wanna get agents by disappear.
Reappearing at will. The sceptical
Sweden Webster is queuing up an interview. He did with one of the early UFO contact tease a man named George Van Tassel.
Van tassel ran a private airport out in the Mojave Desert at a place called giant rock in nineteen. Fifty three spacecraft
send it on Van tassels runway, the aliens beautiful human stressed, a little like ancient Greeks had shared within the secret of time, travel
I say that water is occurring now has occurred.
Before that money records of these ships landing throughout history there back into Sanskrit, when you realise, were dealing with a weather type
man that is almost as far as
russian intelligence is. We are above the lower animals,
The remaining phenomenal initial I researched Ufos
Van tassel, in particular for my novel God
without men, I discovered
Most all that first generation of contact, tease. People who claimed to have met aliens were also involved in spiritualism or philosophy.
One belief system that emerged out of the soup of the West Coast. Ufo counter culture in the nineteen fifties involves the ash, talk elected command.
The team of super beings with many names familiar from Madame Levice is pantheon, including hilarious coup. To me,
the great beloved commander in Chief Jesus Christ, the galactic
demand is still around today are let british color therapists and spiritual teacher Hayden Crawford explained
The ash talk command is an ethnic group of extraterrestrials angels and alike beings, plus millions of starships, which act as coordinators over the space flight over the western
hemisphere. They are here to assist humanity through the current process of planetary cleansing.
Polar realignment and ascension into the fifth dimension. I think that's reasonably clear and then there's the ethereal society
the group of you, a foe and ccs, founded in nineteen. Fifty five by yogi guru and form a cab driver. Doktor George came their headquarters in Hollywood and London, but the real work gets done elsewhere.
Top, so called wholly mountains, like the wind swept Holstein down in Devon sight of their operation. Prayer power picture this a friendly looking group of people,
middle aged and retired, and dressed in whether gear in case it starts to drizzle sitting in full,
in chairs communing, with great beyond
we send out energy from places
to the world as a whole for healing for peace. But
do it in cooperation with being some other planets. That's Richard Lawrence
theories societies executive secretary he's into
in a twenty seventeen documentary by vice rights so ends
like, if you like, yes, a number of the right spiritual figures of history, Buddha Shriek Krishna were from other planets in the documentary
Lawrence Gestures, to a strange object to the centre of this circle. The prayer battery
the size of an old tripod camera, a brightly coloured box with some cables and straps. That definitely does not look like a problem. In the late night movie
as everybody being given the men tram, we're going to use today. Good, ok, that's great! So what are we prepare ourselves then become channels?
Is the Assyrians chant
their prayers stored in the battery later this prayer,
I will be released in adults of good vibes directed at strife anywhere on earth. In the past, the prayer battery has helped clean up oil spills protected against terrorists.
Ends and even in nineteen. Eighty one cat, the Soviet Union from invading Poland,
Now this the prayer battery is a radio Nick device,
a physical combination of philosophy and modern engineering. It was invented by
If cabbie George King in ninety,
fifty four voice, told king. He was going to be the representative of the ascended masters on earth.
King was already serious practitioner of yoga. This is long before it was
in stream lifestyle activity. He says:
Miss Indian Yogi, walk through his locked door and initiated him into certain spiritual secrets. This type of
learn from India to mysticism to any number
incredible beliefs was
the well worn by the time George King and his followers scaled wholly mountains with their batteries, and it all
directly back to trip taken long ago by Madame blowout.
In eighteen, seventy nine records show that,
That's good arrived on a ship into Bombay. Looking for
lighten meant her effect on my kids.
Seventy of indian family would turn out to be profound.
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Madame Levite Ski the founder of Theosophy came to India,
to meet Hindu mistakes, shit
up, selling her own brand of mysticism to the Indians and
when they call this bringing coals to Newcastle
The internet tells me that the closest american expression is taking send to the beach, but Madame Lebowski pulled it off
Theosophy became wildly popular in India, philosophical meetings where one of the few places where British, an indian
the colonizers and colonized could meet on equal terms.
Around a shared worldview and because of this summer the unforeseen happened. Theosophy got political. The cranks and mistakes who followed Madame Lebowski, got mixed up in the indian independent struggle against the british Raj. This is where my great great grams,
The comes in pundit Judy Enough Construe route was a lawyer in the city of our growth, best known for the TAJ Mahal. He was from a wealthy family of high cost Hindus in the one,
picture that exists of him his younger than I am now, maybe in his thirties. He has gentle eyes, but most of the rest of his face his obscured by a huge hipster beard.
Like many educated Indians of his generation, my
sister, was torn in two directions when he was seventeen indian treats rose up against the british officers.
In Britain. This is known as the indian mutiny in India
they call it the first war of independence. It was bloody suppressed and afterwards the British were determined that it wouldn't happen again. They set out to create a trustworthy indian elite,
educated in pretty style, schools and universities, with the british curriculum adieu. Dinners became part of this. He went to a government college where he led the English per tree. English history, the dates of the battle Hastings,
Magna Carta. It was drummed into the young men of this indian elite that their own
was backwoods all English.
Boys knew the Indians had barbaric gods with too many heads and arms Indians
widows on pyres Indians were passive and fatalistic.
Like plucky victorian Englishman, who had a can do spirits, Indians, didn't you,
to change things, because the state of the world was God's will migrate.
Great grandfather internalized some of these feelings. He wished his country,
more modern, but he also found he couldn't ignore the problems. Colonialism created
Indians, had no voice in their own politics and they were born.
From joining the civil service that ran the country on behalf of the Empress Queen Victoria English
businessmen were making fast fortunes in India, but they spent the profits back home a dude enough wanted social progress. The education of.
In the end. If child marriage, he was a strict
vegetarian was passionate about animal rights. He also became a rich man, so he do
What rich men do when they want to voice their views? He started his own newspaper.
Called the Indian Harold. I have a duty in US picture on the wall of my stuff.
But it was only while I was researching this podcast that I found out that he had a newspaper couldn't believe it. No one in my
we could ever mention. Did though, perhaps there's a good right.
The reason for that it did
Go very well Adieu dinner.
I wanted a native english speaker to edit the newspaper and somehow he
hired a young itinerant American named Francis Marian Crawford, who is
as I can see, was the eighteen. Seventy is equivalent to a Hippie backpacker Crawford thought his job as a joke
according to him my answers.
His newspaper stuff consisted of a baronet disqualified, jockey,
drunken parson, a countess bank director several struck
young, barristers and a host of others. The struggling baron
this would have been a duty enough idealistic friends whenever really happened at the Herald, Crawford and my great great
Grandfather soon fell out, and the people in vast Guph had said
the herald lost money, because it was too radical for the british and not
article enough to the indian masses. Knowing what I
do about a Judy enough views that sound that right
despite his failures as a newspaper proprietor adieu dinner still wanted to work for his country, his chance,
finally came when he met one of the greatest eccentrics: Victorian India, a retired colonial official, named Alan Octavius Hume,
Hume was an obsessive ornithologist. Who has no
less than seven birds named after him is hugely
for black humour granted him short
laughed and so on, but, more importantly for the future of in.
Hume believed it was time for Indians to step up and take control in typical, victorian fashion. He expressed himself inverse. Ah, he serves on all EU agreement
he that global in the shade in your own hands rest the issues by themselves on nations made the other thing about him. He,
Was a fear and a close friend of Madame Levant Scheme
through. He had personally received spiritual communication from two with the ascended masters who to me and Maria the way it worked. He wrote letters to the masters which relevant ski placed in a special wooden
from there they d materialized in work Fedex to the higher planes. The answers flint.
Down from the ceiling for were found on the recipients pillar.
This is all rather silly the monsters
Give him a message. There was to have profound political consequences. They told him that
India was in danger and it was up to him to save it. The cosmic balance between EAST and West had Tipp to
toward the west inside it was up to him to correct it, have to do that by helping Indians gain more power. Hume put out a cool for fifty good men and true the picked men, the most highly educated of the nation men,
like my great great grandfather in eighteen, eighty five Hume started an organization called the Indian National Congress, the British.
Socrates would instantly have shut down anything national started by Indians, but they found it. Much
are there to muzzle the dissenting opinions of Alan Octavia in Hue, companion of the order of the bath and a distinguished member of the imperial civil service in eighteen, oh
eight. The Congress met in allow about Agora. I have a copy of the speech. My great great grandfather gave at the opening of the Congress he defends his
friend whom we mean to stick to Mr Hume to the last he says he's
vice to us has always been loyalty and moderation, and yet he's been stigmatized is the most
seditious man in India are good enough
his loyalty to Queen Victoria. He points out that the
Congress is only asking for the same rights as other subjects of the english crown is also a defiant note.
You know the strength of the opposition. He says
You also know that it is fast losing its power for evil and dying out all unreal.
Just think sooner or later die. A dinner ass had been influenced by human, more than politics
He'd begun attending meetings of the theosophical society.
He was still a relatively young man, only fifty two when he died suddenly of influenza. He left in intellectual,
Legacy for his children, who all became ardent nationalists.
Madame Duval Ski died at about the same time as a duty in us also of the flu leadership of the
Sophocles society passed into the hands of another charismatic woman on the best and she
in a labour organizer in London, leading a fan
the strike of young women and girls working in terrible conditions that a factory making matches later Besson,
Came a disciple of Madame La Vat Ski and travelled to India. She took over the theosophical society with a lapsed. I can priest called Charles, led, better, led, better and better and with the oddest of art,
apples. The fiery radical leader of the London Match girl strike and the form a curative brim short village had started talking to.
It's in a man of to Asia,
one day in nineteen, o nine led better,
walking on the beach when he saw a young boy who had he wrote the most wonderful aura he had ever seen without a particle of selfishness,
in it. The boys mother was dead. His father was very poor
and for whatever reason, led better became convinced that in this
boy he had found the world teacher.
The new messire know. Everyone agreed at least one other theosophies described the child, a dim witted
And then there was the other issue led better had already been expelled once from the theosophical society because of his sexual interest in young boys, the boy you do Krishna Marty was very
Handsome early photos emphasise is fine features and soulful eyes very quickly. Lead better
scribe to him dozens of past lives. Somehow Krishna motive
family agreed that he and his brother needs here, should go and live at the fierce compound in audio their lead. Better investment would do to them and to further research into their past lives
Which apparently stretched back twenty five thousand years from India to the lost continent of Atlantis Chris
Marty was given a star name, he
is our society, the central star in the play, these constellation led better began to public
An account of Christian Marty's lives in a fierce magazine. Eventually, they were collected together into a book.
I sort of reincarnation soap opera in which all the carriages were previous incarnations of senior theosophists. It was this book.
Lives of outside me that I found in my great grandfather study when I was a boy to me there,
Your life of christian immunity is more interesting and affecting the stories in the lives of our society. Annie best
and Charles led better became the legal guardians of christian immorality and his brother nature, even fighting a court case against their father. The field
its formed an organization, the order of the star in the east to pray.
Their young messire Christian immunity was done
Stan talent, seats from several row.
Plans were made to send him to Oxford.
The murky turned out not to be very academic, so the Oxford plan was dropped.
Though he himself was one of the ascended masters. He never could hold a lot of the complex teachings in his head.
In nineteen. Fifteen Charles led better left India to run the theosophical society in Australia, where it was very popular.
Christianity was relieved to see him go honey Besson. She became a sort of substitute
the combined her mystical interests with support for indian independence,
in the days when he was advising my great great grandfather. The ascent
it must is speaking for mystical letters seemed
be in favour of loyalty to the crown. Now the man
this was sending messages from the actual plain enthusiastically supporting the call for the British to quit. India.
Enter my great grandfather. Roger knows the wrestling fan whose copy of Besson led betters book I found in our old house
in nineteen. Sixteen Roger was a delegate. The Indian National Congress, along with both his brothers,
the following year, Annie Bessie was elected as the chair. The Congress was,
actually turning from an elite talking shop into a serious independence, movement.
By the nineteen twenties. Did the christian minority or just K, as his followers called him was
traveling the world, with peasant mixing in high society,
hey, had become startlingly handsome young man with a long straight knows and sweat back had the order.
The star. The east was now very wealthy. Thousands of people came to hear tat speed.
in early December. Nineteen. Twenty two christian emerging
any person were on a whistle stop tour of India.
Kay hadn't been home for several years. He stated
in our group and according to my family, it was our house that he stayed in
This was always spoken offers a great event and it seems
two cemented Roger Ass loyalty to Theosophy.
Though, Christianity was becoming world famous there was signed.
Is that the new messire was contemplating his own independence movement.
The only nineteen twenties
Parties younger brother nature fell ill with tuberculosis. A theosophies offered a cottage in o high up in the hills North of LOS Angeles. The healthy climate of California would be perfect for his recovery.
In nineteen. Twenty five k left his brother neater now high Benito was gravely ill
locked in the UK was on his way back to India to attend massive rally of the order of the star he's.
In England, where he met senior theosophists aboard ship port side. He received a telegram saying: Nita had died, K locked himself in his cabin and didn't emerge for some day
Is much later in an interview K reveal that the english members had told him that if he accepted them as disciples, his brother would recover what a joke he thought
though he went on to India at this moment,
the beginning of a total disillusionment with the movement
his role as the Messiah still
by nineteen, twenty nine philosophy seemed as if it might turn into a global spiritualist church. The Theosophists arranged to big meeting at all men in the Netherlands, where the order of the star had its headquarters. A wealthy Dutch Dona had given them
castle. It was their room ahead. It the k, would announce the names of twelve disciples. Just like Jesus had better is waiting
but it is attempting to do
three. These latter barely made a plaything for those who are weak
There was a problem k, hadn't chosen anybody the least had been cooked up by present in some other scene.
Theosophists, conveniently their names were all on. It, K told me
that he wouldn't cooperate, that he found there vanity
absurd and disgusting. There's a photo of christian emerging with any bass and opening the ceremony. They both
look unhappy person? Is an old lady by this point and she's dressed like a Christmas tree with mystical, embroidered robes and a massive necklaces and pendant hanging around her neck
Christy Murky movie, STAR suave has an impeccable Taylor, double breasted jacket and a fashionably casual, open net shirt.
I need a saint knows what's about to happen, Krishna Marty gets up on stage and he drops the bomb.
He tells the assembled crowd the he's, not the Messiah. He does
one. Any disciples philosophy is a sham.
The speech wasn't recorded at the time, but later on and K was persuaded to repeat it for a noose, real crew truth mean limitless condition. I love tragedy by any powerful upset about Keller.
You, nor should any organization before to lead all people along in a particular part
Greece, animality says you can't find truth by following leaders. You have to find out for yourself he's giving back the castle
and disbanding the organization, the Theosophists or a led better, feel pedophile. He found the beautiful boy on the beach
spluttered that the coming has gone wrong
What did Krishna Murky do once he walked away from being the Messiah he went to California here
settled in our high and made his home there for the rest of his life. He never.
Writing and giving talks his presence in our high
game, one of the seeds for the West Coast, counterculture that grew up in the fifties and Sixtys a future
end of east and West secretly owes so much to Madame LA that scared. The Theosophists.
Your high cottages, pretty modest, he can't help feel,
It was a reaction to the pomp and circumstance at his days in Theosophists.
Kay, certainly wasn't a hermit without question.
Marty always had famous friends and followers from Langston Hughes, Divan Morrison. The trajectory of his life was towards quietness and meditation. Since the famous pepper tree that in the mid nineteen twenty is that
he sat under and he kind of came to some kind of understanding or opening. This is crystalline helps run the Crystal Multi Centre in Ohio. It fell at a certain point and we thought it had died, but obviously it gave back. Routes is exactly the same trees at about exactly
so is the stance of the pepper trees taller than I am, and it shoots out a branch of fully mature beautiful tree with a canopy of shade. There was such profound calmness both in the air and within myself, Crystal Mighty wrote the calmness of the bottom of a deep unfathomable lake. Like the lake,
I felt my physical body with its mind and emotions could be ruffled on the surface, but nothing, nay, nothing, disturbed. The calmness of my soul in Ohio
Kay completed his transformation from a beautiful, rather vague,
dandy into a profound thinker, crystallize husband, YAP Slota, directs the Krishna Murky Foundation of America. I asked him how he'd characterized case teachings unlike Theosophy. There's no complicated metaphysical system
rituals, no trances or incantations here's accomplish look at yourself. Look at what look at your thinking. Look at you.
Thought, see how you your bill,
not images, see how you consciousness is put together and see how it how you
Sweden has a similar to other people's consciousness and see how that's the root of all conflict in
in conflict inside you and root of human suffering. Another person who works
hi is Michael Cronan. He used to be Crystal Marty's personal chef,
He would hear K rail against organised religion a lot he said, look
not starting a new religion.
Not a new religion, I'm not an authority and I'm not having sacred
script choose any of that is the only
thing that approaches what you might call a device is observe
observe yourself the aware of your own reactions
being aware of how you are conditioned. This fails
intuitively write to me, I feel a connection to Krishna Marty,
partly because I had my what he did, how he had the courage to be simple to reject
to the Messina Flynn Flam. If, but my sense of connection
also goes back to something much simpler, listen for a moment to Krishna Marty's accident, as he reads out his speech, disbanding the order of the star
I am concerned, I might say, vanilla, lived on the essential thing. The true freedom of man I
It had been break away from or limitation that clipped old fashioned accented case that's very familiar.
I heard in the mouths of older, indian men men. If my grand
fathers generation had been taught English by british teachers in the last days of the Raj
I remember being startled once when I was at that
else in our girl, an old man.
A friend of my grandfather came walking toward me supporting himself with a stick. He was,
dressed in a shawl and along with a cap on his head, hello. He said
You don't happen to know the latest score in the cricket that EAST West accent.
I didn't understand until recently, how marked my family had been by Theosophy
Various other relatives were astrologers and homeopathic. I have an uncle.
The a retired army officer, but gives out a business card advertising his skill in the mystic signed
Seven name ology, my father was different. He became a doctor, a scientific rationalist and it's his spirit. I inherited not the mystical side. He'll. Oh hi, Michael Conan, takes me into case personal library, where the books are just as he left them away.
White folks blanks than he is at sea, oh my goodness, to create an earlier that the interest and wonder sincerely Langston he's coming Highland September. Eighteen, nineteen, thirty four
like most writers, when I walk into a room, my eyes are drawn to the book shelves in
impressive, to see all the various editions of works by and about K, Beacon
so tell a lot about someone by what they like to read. So, when I'm taken into to Christian
study, I'm immediately intrigues, yeah, Jackie,
His land was a great fan of these kind of books, threes yeah as a jacket to me that the freelance by the Wolf linguists
cream of the dove. Yes imperfection this will need
me, I mean
Here by the button over whether lunch will serve- and he said,
sir, could you go to the local bookstore and maybe by
by a couple of books by view in euros areas?
with by some of those I may have both these garden ruins in Vienna.
Oh yeah, infrared of these books. James bond scottish thrill, arrived,
I was too Maclean and Leon Yours, you wrote a lot about world war to them. Much showed trashy entertainment,
I think this is the moment that crystal Murky really comes into focus. For me, he didn't just.
Yet being the Messiah, because he had some philosophical belief and simplicity. He was simple: he was ordinary.
He spent the second half of his life turning himself into an ordinary person,
My family house in our group is gone now
some time in the nineteen nineteen it was torn down and all the books and papers vanished every time. I think about that. I experienced a pang of loss.
All that lost knowledge of history
at the cottage in Ojai. I decide that I'm okay with it. This is a place to let things go to allow the past to slide into forgetfulness. Maybe the thing to do would be to follow case example and sit under the apple tree. Reading Tom Clancy, enjoying the afternoon sun.
Christian emergency was not exactly hiding out in California, not an exile,
the many others were, and they hated the sunny state to find them
We have to leave behind the orange groves of oh hi for the freeways of delay
what are your feelings generally about literary pilgrimage to use in summer? You always up, for I am always up for it and I'm I'm always disappointed fun. Son
and lots to complain about optimism. Pessimism. That's next week on into the zone,
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