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Hello, my friends, Malcolm Gladwell. Here I'm taking a quick break from report
during the next season of revision. Is history to tell you it's December Skull,
Starck, your huddled around the fire, and what do you have
entertain you just some
easy person singing Dingle bells over
over again Dingle bells jingle bows.
Go all the way, jingle all the way who wrote that
and the hundredth time you hear that son, you realize we don't want anyone to jingle away
at most jingle, some small portion of the way best case scenario dont genuine about away. I group in Canada
I have been on a one horse opens like oh, what fun
it's freezing here at Pushkin, we have such profound sympathy for
all of you out there being slowly jingled to death that we decided to step, bring you a little descent.
Cheer, ladies and gentlemen, the first annual Pushkin holiday special today
I will answer some of your burning questions about revisions. History. You will hear a taste of my hilarious conversation with Conan O Brien for his podcast Conan, o Brien needs a friend and you'll. Hear excerpt
from two new Pushkin industry shows. I am so proud of the work.
Pushkin elves had been doing all year and I want to show it after you,
so shake off your boots.
Join me by the fire, the first new chauffeur
pushkin that I want to tell you about. Is TIM Hartford cautionary tales, TIM rights for the
Is known as the undercover economist he's, a genius telling stir
Is it illuminated our world and a cautionary tales? He takes
stories of disasters and mistakes and asks what we can learn from them.
Bringing those stories to life we brought in a whole cast of great actors, including Alan coming,
who you're about to hear in the role of an authority figure who's, not what he seems. Here's to effort.
There may be times and places where it's a good idea to talk back to a military officer. But Germany
Nineteen o six isn't one of them, so the young corporal doesn't the corporal. Let's call him
Corporal Mullah, has been leading his squad for privates down Silva Strasser in Berlin only to be challenged by captain. The captain is about fifty,
in fellow with some can cheeks the outline of his skull
when, above a large white mustache truth be told he looks so
usually down on his luck, but Corporal Mahler doesnt seem to take that in
like any man in uniform. The captain looks tall
in broader thanks to his boots, smart gray, overcoat Prussian Blue Offices, cap is white. Gloved hand rests casually on the hilt. Raking. Where are you taking those men back to the battered sir turn them around and follow me? I haven't urgent mission from the or ice command the highest. Everyone knows that means orders from the Kaiser,
as the small group March towards Pullet Strasser Station, the charismatic captain, seas and other squad. You men, yes, Captain Golden behind the Kaiser himself has commanded it. Yes, captain.
The captain now commands a little army and all
ten soldiers right. The train across Berlin towards cabinet, charming little town, just South EAST, at the capital. On arrival the adventure continues.
Corporal line these men up for inspection line up men, hurry fix bandits
It's already been an extraordinary day for Corporal Mueller and his men were just getting started. What they are about to do is going to be the talk of newspapers around the world. You listening to another
ocean, retails stories about other people's mistakes and what we should learn from them. Less we make
same mistakes. Ourselves, sometimes these mistakes, a tragic, sometimes that comic this time I present a comedy. At least I think it's a comedy
and the captain of Carbonic is going to help me. He has a name by the way, a name.
That will soon become famous. His name is Ville Helm Void
Remember where we left him he's outside the town hall of company.
Snapping out orders to Corporal Miller and his men
and lined up bayonets. Affixed now found is going to begin
Captain Voice Little Army properly Town Hall into the office of a man, a man named guild.
The hands you're under arrest. The Kaiser has decreed that you
our Avanti man, he's in his mid thirties.
Looking fellow with pause, nay, spectacles appointed goatee and a large well groomed mustache, he stands
astonishment. This is illegal as your warrant, my warrants is the men. I command you. What does your role here? I am the Tom pleasure
Don't open to save the cash reserve is to be confiscated for safe keeping, and we shall be
examining the accounts for fraud, company
Municipal safe contains three thousand five hundred and fifty seven marks. Forty five pfennigs Captain Voit is punctilious about the count. Here is your receipt stamp it and keep
if it's nearly a quarter of a million dollars in today's money you to find fraeulein,
hands and the rest of you would be interrogated alongside him. Three turn his courtesy. Yes, it does.
Captain void searches, the town Hall Office on his men keep the town officials under arrest, failing to
what he seeks to decide,
to wrap up the mission the officials are to be
given to a police station, not far from where the days adventure began there
Captain void himself walks to cover the railway station. He collects a package from the left luggage office. Instead,
into a restaurant school.
It or two later he stepped out again and he's almost
recognizable having chain
into shabby civilian clothes. He Amber
was badly legged across the station concourse? This
anonymous Fellow board,
The train back to Berlin, with his uniform neatly folded under one arm and a bag of money under the other
he looks over his shoulder ass. He stepped onto the train gazing out over the station. He smiles, then,
disappears into the carriage just like that. Captain of carbonic he's gone. What what happens next?
Here the rest. You have to go and subscribe to cautionary tales, they're all good, because TIM Hartford legacy
his genius hi, I'm TIM Hanford, the host of caution, region,
first season of my show is out now
It's been such from creating what the Pushkin team from all of us do. You wish you a very
happy holiday season, stay with us, because next,
I'm finally going to answer your burning.
Listener questions about revisionist history, happy holiday because it gives the rules to say merry Christmas.
I'm, like a Louis hosted against the rules season. Two of against the rules will focus on why the role of coach has expanded so far beyond sports and american life, everybody hates the ref these days, but everybody seems to love the coach I'll be back next spring. To talk about
now, come here again
sitting by the fire, Pushkin H Q, recovering from a highly unpleasant riding Pushkin one
where's open sleigh. What mass
guess, decided it had to be an open, slay
December anyway get around
as we settle in to read
your burning lister questions about vision. Is history
If you listen to the first two episodes of last season, a revisionist history you may contain
you to be curious about my score on the law. School admissions test, nope, not telling you ok, question number one
British, Malcolm Canadian, Malcolm and Jamaican Malcolm, would erase. Who would win interesting question? Ah,.
Jamaican Malcolm wins. The spread, of course, English Malcolm, wins, the longer distances,
Katy, Malcolm, doesn't, win all
I M reminded of a telegram story, grand level, of course, being my my father
when we first move to Canada from England, my father, an Englishman, was
in seeking Higgins were lazy and he decided to test this and we lived at the
end of a long row of houses on a country like and those half a mile of houses, and so he had done
party one night: he invited every one of our neighbours along this half now stretch not because he wanted
its neighbours that because he,
wanted to see a what point, would people drive as opposed to walk so clearly the first neighbour would walk right, it's twenty
yards and maybe the second neighbour would work as it psych fifty yards away. But his boy was
I'm point. Kragans are so lazy at some point:
one's gonna drive, rather than were Huck half mile at most
and he wants to know what was the cut off point. He was a mathematician. It was important for him to figure out what was the cut off point
We established the level of laziness in his neighbours that maybe a nutshell, sums up the quiet, dark genius of Grand Weber, who is greatly missed by the world next question.
Sugar Kalkhi asks how much would with a woodchuck chuck if it would chuck could chuck. Would you know,
my feeling on. This is what I've, as has always been sent, been consistent since the first time I heard that, which is why the area
and putting so much pressure on the woodchuck, the Woodchuck
This was to hang out and occasionally chug a little wood, and I will say no, no. You have to perform
with the measure you there's a public
standardize test for woodchuck performance. They were no let the woodchuck b
enough already, unlike high stakes, woodchuck performance metrics next Leah
asks do I have a favoured episode. Yes, I do well it's hard, I,
Elvis analysis per praxis. The last
The episode in season three
think I'll ever do on their good again. I think I peaked. I I'd say it
You have to listen to it.
And you want to know what's going on with a vision, history, that's public good! Well, don't start with that, because every other episode will be disappointing way.
Until the very end
revisions history when I'm ninety eight years old and I hang it up and then listen to it. So you don't have a big let down. When you go into my allowance.
Gabriel asks about my mom. Why has Joyce Global not appeared on vicious history? A very good point Gabrielle
I have been thinking long and hard about how to remedy this
is my mom. In addition to her many other extraordinary traits has a lovely voice. She's dead
the boys about time very low, very quiet, she's, like five
Does he leaned lean down to hear her? This is what happens.
When you call every single time of called my for the last fifty years, this is what's happened. I call and she sees that I've called it
Gus Malcolm how lovely to hear you
doesn't matter it could be. I talked to her
the day or haven't talked to her for two weeks same and then
how she answer. Conversation chagos when she's had enough chagos good good right, a lot of questions about
Jesuits, tick glory. Somebody asks about my son
on that I may a Catholic Wanna be
This came from my phone, the Jesuit up
Those in season for revisions. History,
You know, funnily enough. My friend, Jim Jim adaptation is imminent pastor, who I actually saw.
Yesterday we went for long, walk and Jim expressed,
little bit of
concern about my statement that I was a catholic wannabe. He
thought I was amended. I want to be
so everyone's mad at me out there in the world of pastors, but he did Jimmy
concede and I'll get us to give your generous meant that judge.
It's when you hang out with them, they're so impressive. That is kind of hard not to want to be one of them right. Last question from Obi Kenobi. He points out that Matt Damon was on bill. Simmonds to build them in Pakistan are dispersed,
week and in it he references a revisionist history, podcast cause
by name to talk about something that was said.
Indeed, Toyota sudden acceleration podcast from season one and obey
Kenobi wants to ask. How do you feel when Matt
and uses you as a reference, and the answer is amazing. I mean I remember where I was when I heard that I was in the Jim in the Hollywood economics on the treadmill and
I'm listening the bill Simmons and there is like Matt Damon name. Checking me. How great is that? But I will say this is not the greatest.
Holler route, history collared ever I'm sitting in a restaurant and my phone right
and he d out. Sometimes it says
unknown known collar or no idea. That's like
coming from some stealth by swell
there's a higher one, a more a more stealth
which is like some gobbledygook thing, like Boola break
I see blew my phone I'm about. What's this, I answer it a hollow and her voice says Malcolm Global and I go yes and the boy says Barack Obama, absolutely true. Broccoli,
call me I'm a cell to say how much you liked an episode of revisions. History, it does not get back
That, ladies and gentlemen, I point about life,
There were many, many more wonderful mister,
nurse emails and next year?
we will devote an entire up. So do this, I don't know friends what all my handlers,
better say, but am it was
her from all of you- and I hope I have enhanced your listing experience with this-
steer questions like hey there. This is lorry centres-
the host of the happiness lab. I had so much
on creating the first season of his podcast, and I just wanted to thank you for being part of,
for all you're amazing reviews and feedback. I've really enjoyed becoming part of
Pushkin family this year, and I can't wait to see what else is in store
So let me and my wishing you happy nope unintended holidays. I look forward to see
you and twenty twenty eight is just Richmond
broken record wanting to wish all the Pushkin listeners a happy holiday season. Hope you ve had as much fun.
In DARPA gases. We ve had making here's a twenty twenty. Let's get it
I have a friend, I've been Hudson Newark tomorrow, Adler tomorrow,
written some incredible books about food, including an everlasting meal, cooking with economy and grace she's been a cook at the famous
Bernice in Berkeley, but more than any of that she's just hilarious
and over the years of talking and eating with tomorrow? I've come to wish that everyone could meet tomorrow and now you can,
in her new series from Pushkin called food. Actually,
So a momentary and in this part session
We D tried georgian wines and that's not George.
As in you know, Atlanta,
that's Georgia, as in former Soviet Union Georgia, with it
cool guy Stephen
now, I'm looking at this time of night, I think I might be able to she wore designers
Isn't it by racial line suits my personal preferences area say you of wine is to me of why
colors of natural wine, and if the georgian wine Stephen serving us, aren't binary, though not read or white. I mention this before these wines are all different shoes and that's considered a positive attribute, not a flop.
Totally different from conventional wine, which, like other binary systems like male or female, black or white, has to be filtered to fit. It categories
Conventional wines, white wines, when you press the juice from the grapes you remove the skins,
and you just do the fermentation with the grape juice. So you maintain. The Clare
but when you allow that for me,
patient to happen with the skins, then,
The ten ends and the color the pigmentation will start to show up in the wine
and so you see kind of on a spectrum of color
the length of time that the skins have been in contact with the juice of the wine. And why would you not wonder why would you better take my skins out because
but like purity, people like things at our sparkly in transparency, and so I think this is kind of like peep,
like things that are really sanitized, and so
idea of like these gains
tat wines up until
recently was really like a bit mark
Here you know it was not something that scene now commercially viable based on our own ideas.
Wine and along the same lines, is demanding that wine be sparkly, impure, red or white
demand that wine never change, which is
Also, the antithesis of being accepting in flux, queer or at least open,
natural wine most georgian wine, the kind that can be any color
get stabilized to slow down the fermentation? If you want something to state exactly the same,
oxygen is your enemy. Bacteria like us need
oxygen to survive
Well yeah me. I guess in the context of wine the biggest thing the biggest impediment is oxygen. It's just like fruit right. So if you cut an apple
in half and you eat half in the morning and then you go to work. You come home and then the apples oxidized so Rembrandt, that's right.
So the same thing is true with these basic.
We raw wines, I'm fine with when apples turned Brown, I don't throw that apple out. I
a little brown or I save it till I have a lot of ground apples. Stressing me
and late at night. At the last possible moment, I make applesauce, I
Stephen S and he calls me a benevolent eater. Maybe I am actually buy
that people so enjoy being stuck in pursuit of perfection. I think they're just told that's what they're supposed to do in wine and food, but the truth is perfection is just not that fun
I think most of us would be happier feeling permitted to use brown apples and stale bread. I think embrace of imperfection might not be benevolent two ingredients but to ourselves. Jeer, sirs sizzling through now comes
just that the best route to embracing all the changes that come from leaving grapes with their skins is recasting it as a positive like stop calling it skin contact wine. You could call these this whole group.
As opposed to a half grape line. But when you use the where we sounds says that he'd want the whole grapevine right see,
Malcolm Gladwell, skin contact wine hope
it points out so much better like a whole food, a whole grain whole milk who would want
whole grape should exert now. Its exemplary written know that
that feels a lot less sad. That feels a lot less unusual refusal alot more like the kind of white wine which I rarely drink present my five rules but see seems conventional law more conventional, not conventional, but more conventional man,
the last wounded. That's perfect assessment! Congratulations! Eurozone anger!
that was me with tomorrow, Adler and former Somalia, Stephen Satterfield. I was the guinea pig in.
Mars wine, tasty experiment, and let me tell you there are very few actual guinea pigs who get a gig that good get you
self on luminary and subscribe to her, show food actually and you'll, hear just what I mean now: don't go
because I'm not done with this cosy extravaganza. Yet.
Little while we have a man who seems to think he has no friends
He could not be more wrong. A little
special excerpt from my forthcoming interview with the Great Conan o Brien stay too.
I'm tomorrow had learned I'm host of the new show food actually that you just heard some of I'm so happy to have a seat at the Pushkin table.
And I want to wish you a calm and happy holiday. With this party advice straight from the Bible. It is better to eat a dry crust of bread and peace than to eat a feast in a house full of fighting, in other words,
relax an email. Your happy at will be great hi, I'm no! If
man, I'm a professor at Harvard LAW School and I'm a host of deep background, a show about the biggest stories in the news and what they really mean in historical, scientific, legal and cultural context. From the
background team to you. We want to wish you the happiest of holidays, but you know what I hate: the euphemism have a happy new year, have a merry Christmas and a happy Hanukkah
have a terrific Kwanzaa, whatever holiday you like go for it and enjoy, however
when I'm Bethany Maclean the host of making a killing, I have loved hosting my ipod cast a big thank you to all of the guy
so have come on enchanted with me and a big thank you to all of you who have lessened
I'm back it's very nice to be in the same studio where I recorded the audio version of my latest book talking to strangers. But the audio book isn't just my
I wonder that book to sound more like a podcast for listening to hear the people. I interviewed
even to imagine scenes from courtrooms or labs that I write about. So we pulled out all the stops: Pushkin industries to produce
a three dimensional note for them,
shall audio book than I am so very proud of. Talking to strangers is on audible. Now I've done a lot of interviews for talking to strangers
trust me a lot, but I dont think I laughed more than when I did the podcast Conan o Brien needs a friend. Here's a
If our conversation, which will
air December sixteenth, in which I set off on a little hobbyhorse of ninety,
in person. Job interview should be abolished. My face to face so in the face to face and count
What am I finding out of finding out whether their taller short with the hair is darker? You know not how well they dress
None of this is a very relevant whatsoever right, not their bid to be my assistant, Mister, Durham. I don't work with them. They work at a coffee shops. The email me stuff. They have to be the after reply instantly. They had to be super, organise it be nice, good, honest,
People. I don't like you, brought up this topic because you were in the room where my assistant, ok and I
hired my assistant ten years ago, and I,
I'll tell you that I met her. She seemed responsible, prompt and occur.
Yes, yes, I professional, and it affirms everything you said I was completely horn, swallowing a word. It's never used much dreading this, the second. You talked about hiring and those that have like, please don't say any, but I
say I will say then, as I did you need, we do you work information. Did you gather from the face to face it? You know it's funny. I was completely duped by and it's not sound
fault, but it was I needed to hire an assistant. I was coming here to LOS Angeles my New York Sis and did not want to move, should a family so as hiring a brand new assistant I met with. I think ten assistance.
Candidates in one day in
opposite Burbank and the stuff that you'd think I could take away like is she tall is short? I even got that wrong because I was
I forget what happened, but I think she came into the room and sat down on his couch and it's a very low couch with soft cushions and she sunk into it. So I had this conversation with you yeah.
And I remembered, and your hair
was like all puffed out. If humidity is something so I thought he was Panama,
but seriously so at the end of the day you get my ended up. I ended up hiring her and people said well, what's she like any simple she's, this very short woman with a big massive bush of black hair
her name's Sonia Mov Ceci in. I think I can't pronounce it in you. I am yeah nice.
And the renewal of the ice you nice for Armenia buying, but with the Irish, yes, persecuted, people
I mean I, I know his eyes have your own story, but it could tell them
no one ever gonna secured the Irish. However, you just reduced irish history to yeah. You guys have your own story. Can I tell my favorite, let us have a potato for eight hundred years later. We are you, are you? Are you when you're finished with this story? That's embarrassed,
yours is yes we're, not I'm a dynamic saying they vanished, she's, not she's, very tall, and here I got the visual cues wrong as well as her character. Refinedly Ritalin IRAN, maybe we're gonna, go I having willing on out to tell my all time. Fair in our story is this: pressure of alleged did is yes. I was very well put my life into the troubles story, to guess yeah right and we call them the troubled the troubles in a footnote to a truly great book on you. I read the following story is told during the
the end of the Second World WAR, there was a british informer who was very, very high up in the IRA, and he was found out. They discovered was so they
ITALY, spirited him away to cottage in the b, no often the countryside somewhere and they interrogated him and they wrong and in a confession, out of him
And they asked him to ride out his confession. I should stop and say
stories based on deep affection. I have for the irish people and for their extraordinary literary legacy. Is no it's some of the ways in which we were course. I guess he's asked her out his confession. He says you will you give me time this? Yes, absolutely and so he's they capture him.
In, I think, may not accords going out when he is finally rescued by the British in November
working on it, but it's a beautiful store. I took it. Imagine if you like a hard. I regard and you ve got this trader in Europe. Is too you busted, you
every morning you like sits down with his pen and paper
working on another draft everyone's vying with. If you like, I do it right
if a process that somebody must have been blocked at a very high standard, because even James Joy, sooner went through a difficult period are so they're all is I've spent ass, united support of literary community and it goes over six months. It's just I just. How could you not love the irish finance Minister.
Exactly how indeed, thanks again
Two Conan o Brien and team cocoa for having me on their show. I hope you ve all subscribe to his podcast and if you haven't put down your economic and do that right away
our cosy, our is drawing to a close
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