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Hello, hello, loyal revisionist historians, mouth and here as some of you may know, we just had a contest revisionist revisited to celebrate the fifth anniversary of revisionist history, where we ask you to vote for your favorite episode and now that the results are in without we play the winners of the next few weeks to wet your appetite for the upcoming season, which begins Oser very soon June. Eighteenth ready in the bronze met opposition from season to a good walk spoil. My completely intemperate attack on the private golf courses of LOS Angeles, I'll, be honest with you. I thought this one would win because I think the most fun revisionist history episodes other ones with all kinds of wildly different ingredients like not a souffle but some kind of crazy stir fry.
And this one was the stir fry of staff rice. The episode covers, among other things, my obsessional running Bob Hope along rift by a philosopher on the paradox, the ship of Theseus, plus a visit to the tax authorities of LOS Angeles count. Even cameo from one of my oldest friends, dies Oc Landscape Architect, who provided expert commentary on the tree species and exotic varietals, the brim with country club. This, so at legs. I only have to mention golf courses on twitter, which I do all too often and my feet. It's crazy, like the guy who said she, I could run on his golf course so long as he could practice is driving on my running trails, which I thought was kind of funny then there was a time I was sitting in a coffee shop in Houston, Older women with perfect pair pulls up in a brand new checked out major over dressed in a coffin.
Clearly on the way to the country Club and she says a U Malcolm harbour. I say yes, she says I love revision is history, and I, I agree with everything you say, which is a stable I want on my tombstone, and now in the age of social distancing which gives MIKE, Of course, obsession a whole new meaning we're else supposed to keep six feet apart. Is really difficult when everyone trying to get fresh air was crowded into the same sidewalk. Meanwhile, there are massive tax subsidized Private Gulf WAR in the middle of every american city full of beauty, for green spaces that are totally empty problem made solution. How hard is this? in a minute we're gonna play it again, just to get the coffers round up. On my time, putting finishing touches, unseasoned five, which again Debbie's June 18th. I very good feelings about the season. Lots of stuff
I'm a little obsessed with one of the Second World WAR is most famous generals, protests Emerson, the bay I have episode about a lost, then go another small, the dragon and another about one man's crusade to reform student council elections. It's going to be epic, but before I go, two more things. First, I want to encourage you to sign up for the revision. Is history newsletter at Pushkin, DOT, FM see you can follow all things, wonderful and revisionist, and second, the end of this episode, you'll hear the short trailer foresees into of Pushkin Podcast the happiness lab with lorries centres season. One was a smash, because lorry is just so good at explaining the latest signs of the mind telling you how to use it to improve your own. Wellbeing
who doesn't need tat right now season to help us understand bad habits. What makes a super altruist and more, it's great trust me expressing gratitude is a key component to happiness so I'll end for now with fine. Thank you revisionist historians out there back soon with all the other winners, but for now here it is one more time I could walk spoil. I have a friend who lives in Brentwood on the West side of LOS Angeles, between Beverly Hills and Santa Monica here, little Pool house in his backyard, and I stay there whenever I come to allay kind of like Cato Kalen. If your memory for Oj Simpson Esoteric goes back that far anyway, my friends street dead ends on sand percent. Able, if one is central,
EAST, west corridors and ally and on the other side of San presenting. Is this absolutely gorgeous golf course? One of the many private country, clubs and Ella is famous for if you drive down Wilshire Boulevard into Beverly Hills, ten minutes, EAST Brentwood, you go right. Past LOS Angeles country Club, which costs
be a quarter of a million dollars just to join. That is, if tell even considering replication this Bel AIR Country Club, just north of you see allay, which might be the most beautiful golf course in the country Hillcrest off Pico Wilshire Country Club in Hancock Park. I could go on there, everyone vast gorgeous and private, the one you, my friends House is called Brentwood Country Club, and it has a tall chain link fence around it, which goes almost all the way out to the street. Leaving justice narrow rocky to track is a sidewalk, since there are a lot of places to run in LOS Angeles tons. People run around Brentwood Country Club on that narrow dirt track, and is one thing that always bothers me every time I run that route
Why do all the wonders of West LOS Angeles have to squeeze into this narrow rocky little track? When is a huge, magnificent park? Just onions, the fence. My name is Malcolm Gladwell Your listing to revisionist history, my podcast about things overlooked and Missis? This episode is about the problem of Hake and hopefully, by the end of this, you will gulf. Sending you would die dies out. Who is a very successful landscape, architect, Santa Monica and we're on the corner of 78th and Burlingame
and we're looking into the realm of country club- and I the first thing I see is barbed wire- looks like a couple of layers of barbed wire. This looks like the Berlin Wall, everything they want us to get in there. What are you? What are you saying, we're sayings moving closer here? What's that stand of trees, do know what those are that looks like silk in the foreground, and then I see a say, drifts Theodora, quite lovely lots of larger tree search or unusual in LOS Angeles cause there's so little, space there, some Highness Canary answer looks like a redwood in there I dont think dialogue is ever put around of gulf in her life. That's exactly why I wanted her he knew. I wanted some one objective to tell me what it would take to turn this place into a park. First of all, I would get rid of the two layers of air
we have the whole eastern European Theo is dear german feel would have to be corrected. I mean that lightly, some people's back, but it's not very welcoming yeah The typical golf course is two hundred acres give or take a lot of land. You have to landscape it MO it drenched in pesticides, keep the sand traps perfect. I read somewhere that when a fancy golf course rebuild, its bunkers typically takes about three hundred and eighty nine truckloads of sand. Three hundred and eighty nine just to keep everything nice and white and fluffy, but at the same time, because involves launching a potentially lethal projectile, a great speeds across enormous distances. You have to severely limited number of people on the course at any one time. Typically, a good boy, of course can handle no more than seventy two golfers at once. So that's one golfer per hundred
twenty thousand eight hundred and thirty three square feet. Can you imagine if basketball, in population density is Gulf. I did the math. If basketball was played according to the geographical requirements of gulf, a basketball court would be thirty acres. Picture that they had to play on motorcycles? Ok, I'm not a fact about gulf. Rich people really really like it there, if with it in a way that they just isn't any parallel for Mary people, because serious golfers are super anal about their scores. We can actually quantify their obsession in order to calculate their handicap. Basically how well they're playing relative to other people, the country club they all post their results on a database maintained by the United States Gulf Association? So we have a record and it's a gold mine to be a calculator handicap and track
through time. You log into the system, either at near course or under home computer. I'm talking to economists. Miami university named Lee, bigger staff he's interested in the habits of top corporate executives. If you have the when our office, in a multi million dollar stock option and a Gulf stream, five, that make you more or less likely to put in a hard day's work. The USDA database is of serious professional interest too, bigger staff and you and foot where you played in what day you played on in what what's yours was, and, after a certain number of arouse, being played the? U S jail, indicate. What your handicap is your level of skill which allows you to come it against other offers of different scale level and kind of normalize. Against that you know you always. That sea owes play a lot of golf bigger steps, insight is it the USDA. Debase allows us to know exactly how much they play. All you need to do is cross reference that list of score
with a list of the Sea of America's largest companies. So that's what he does takes forever by the way was started. Wows a phd student and certainly was a multi process. So it's not something. The dinosaurs want our feet in the near terms, because it took a lot of collection time there. How can you not love this? Surely this is why, God inventive, graduate students biggest half begins with the names of the heads, the top fifteen hundred publicly help companies in the? U S, three hundred and sixty three of those fifteen hundred turn out to be so obsessed with Gulf that they enter their scores into the USDA database. What you see on average is fifteen rosier is telling that the average she used In that event, a gulf is a heavy skewed distribution rights. We have allowed people are plain very little Gough and then with a tale where we're picking it up to the top court Isle of working out, which is twenty two or more rounds per year, and if you go to the top ten percent, a bigger
F sample the ceos are playing around at least thirty seven times a year around of Gulf. Is it good for four and a half hours? so. If you play thirty seven times a year, that's more than a hundred and sixty hours on the course, the equivalent of five and a half weeks of work. By the way these are under statements. They don't include the time spent drive into the course warming up. Getting changed. Having a drink doesn't include the hours spent practicing shots on the putting green or the driving range or all the rounds. You play that you don't enter into the database like if you only playing nine holes, are playing a fun round, so the real time is probably way higher bigger staff then goes on to show that the more of a sea or plays the worst firm does and also that, the off c o plays the more likely he is to be fired. In other words, this isn't a harmless habit. It's a dangerous, have
remember the Wall Street Investment Bank Bear Stearns. They went bankrupt, junior mortgage crisis in July I have two thousand and seven right when the crisis was beginning, the sea, YO, a bare stearns would often helicopter out from Wall Street on Friday afternoon, to his exclusive course in New Jersey to get around in before sunset and when his company was collapsing, he couldn't stop playing golf out of President Donald Trump. First, four months in office, he visited his own golf courses, twenty five times, one we keep played three times You would think he would be at the office learning how to be president reading intelligence briefings draining the swamp. No, he scoffing it's an addiction right, because the deaf sure of an addiction, is a self destructive habit. Just think if I said to you that an important employee of a maid organization made lifestyle choices that caused him to miss enormous amounts of work, harm his performance and put his.
Career in jeopardy. You would say well check back into rehab: that's Gulf crack cocaine for rich white, guys the highest in the sample hunter and forty six hundred forty eight rounds recorded in a single year which mean that enough with a tremendous amount of time spent on the golf course you thought I was engaging and hyperbole you did. I was using the word addiction, metaphorically, a hundred and four the eight rounds a year is around of golf every three days and now be if it was kind of uniform distributed across the year. It's gone certainly has a season or too little more intense in terms of the summer versus the winner you can't tell me work work up a company. Is this: I wonder A company hits yeah this worst with this data to give somewhat sensitive, we're.
Will, in turn to name out see, owes a camp believe. You won't tell me I'm in here we have an activity that is incredibly expensive, that is organised in just about the most extravagant manner possible and at the same time, this expensive habit is incredibly addictive to the point. It is a chief executive out there of a major american corporation who plays an average of a hundred and forty eight rounds of golf a year and is so completely and self conscious about that fact that he post all a hundred and forty eight rounds on a public database where it can be analyze by graduate students. So what happens to rich white guys with a dangerous costly obsession? Do they burn through their life savings paying for their addiction like ordinary attics? Do please give them a little more respect. By the way this my 15th year and television. Imagine that fifteen years of me.
Longest stomach test in the history of shoulder. You could argue I would say in the forties and fifty's: there was no one who is more widely popular in American and Bob Hope of talking to Richard Sovereign Bob hopes biographer, I think Bob Hope has been little forgotten in recent years, but in his day The huge every late night comedian, who does a stand up monologue at the beginning of the show, was a debt to Bob Hope, because he kind of invented that stand up, comedy monologue that sort of took note of what was in the world. What was going on in Hollywood focus going on everywhere and he was just the Voice of America. I think for a long time, Bob Hope is a crucial part of the story of Gulf in America
though a morning you things are going to get a little complicated, which is sort of the point, because you don't get to run the world for as long as rich white guys have without being pretty wily and some of their best, and whilst work has been on the golf course, so there's a principle in property tax law called highest and best use, which is that one of the ways you figure out how much to tax a piece of property is to estimate what its best use might be. For example, if I ever one acre plot and a fancy is part of Manhattan that I used grow vegetables, I can't say to the city that land is worthless, is just a vegetable gardens. No, the city's gonna say we're gonna value that one acre and tax it as if it had an apartment block on it, because that's the best use of land in a fancy parts of Manhattan.
No, if you ve, got a vast golf course in the middle of Beverly Hills or Brentwood highest impasse. Use makes you really nervous, because plainly, the highest and best use of land in the middle of one of the most expensive and densely populated cities in the world is not a private golf course. So years ago, in nineteen sixty California's country clubs realize they have to act or they gonna get taxed into oblivion, get together and they propose an amendment to the state constitution that permanently exempt them from the highest and best use standard they want. They, vegetable gardens
the text as a vegetable guard. If you think about it, this is seriously audacious. Private golf courses are these massive opulent, gated playgrounds and membership is often restricted in LOS Angeles in nineteen. Sixty a lot of these clubs didn't let in Jews. They certainly didn't that in black people except to work in the kitchen. Yet they wanted a constitutional exemption to ordinary property taxes like they were some kind of public amenity. How can the eye this doubt not really they just bring it Bob hope who, in addition to being the most popular entertainer in America, is also an obsessive, golfer, obsessive I might as well level with I've spent so much time and banned rapid that make better ensure papers from Saudi Arabia. I love bigger. The whole roaming Bob Hope once wrote. An entire book just devoted to his golf game called confessions of a hooker in which he estimates that here,
laid on two thousand different golf courses over the course of his life. He belonged Lakeside Country Club in EL I near where we live till it alone, avert prestigious genius, picking Bob Hope is the face of color so yeah, the genius of picking Bob Hope is the face of California country clubs Is that his whole persona, his whole act was about being every man he self deprecating half his jokes about. How is not part of the Inn group, even though, of course does no one more end.
How wonderful lobbying in California, I just love and look at that as the only place in the world waiting get four seasons and one day I want to tell you about a very well better, be snowing before the third Odin. Let's move on all by so hunted, the Bob Hope Rogalski champion do in nineteen. Sixty wins the proposition passes and is added to article thirteen of the California constitution. We're remains to this day in order to win a set of privileges for them. Wealthy? In other words, California's country clubs turned to a man who symbolizes the common man I mean. When is it ever happened that a tv celebrity wins a sweetheart deal for his rich golf buddies by posing as a friend of the common man. If you get my drift
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it is beautiful. Nineteen thirties office buildings that are Oliver Downtown, LOS Angeles, therefore people on either side of the table there from the l, a county tax, assessors office. I'm on my quest to figure out why Brentwood Country Club, isn't just a big part that I can go running through have decided to start the people who run the tax system. These are serious, folks, deliberate, thoughtful. Their promise to help me you'll have to guess what they really think. The tax rate is set at one percent of the other, you as opposed to a variable rate which it was before demand. Speaking, is Brian Donnelly. He's talking about the most famous amendment to the California Constitution Proposition thirteen probably only get reassessed with when there's a transfer or a change of ownership, or if there's new construction does the primary parts of it is what he sang. If you wanna house, every one or two years, typically
Are you of your property is reassessed by the city or county where you live? So if your house doubles in value, the local government will raise your taxes accordingly, that's the way property taxes work, except in California, proposition. Thirteen said that for tax purposes, the value of any piece of property in California is frozen at pre nineteen. Seventy eight levels and the only way that property can be reassessed at its real current value, is if the property is sold or to be more specific if ownership of more than fifty percent of the property changes hands. In other words, California,. Has two kinds of taxpayers: the post, nineteen, seventy eight people who pay normal property taxes and the people lucky and old enough to be living in the same house, they owned in eighteen. Seventy eight who pay a tiny fraction of their fair share. You know I've got
family members who found their house since one thousand nine hundred and sixty nine and they're paying for the attacks with eyes that ninety thousand just like that. Has my neighbour six hundred so so they're paying a lot less that better to say it's. The class is profiting conundrum, which I'm sure you ve read about Please understand this system is insane totally crazy. I mean think of all the reasons why someone might deserve a big tax taxpayer sick, it poor, they have tons of young kids, they made a big investment in their business state of California says no. We think the most deserving group are people whose property hasn't changed hands in forty years. Hooker now imagine that you're, a private golf club you did that spectacular bit of Jujitsu with Bob Hope in nineteen sixty, which means that you don't pay real problem.
Taxes gift from God, number one then comes proposition. Thirteen and you get a second give from guy, because Proposition thirteen says that, though already artificially low property taxes are now frozen forever. At One thousand nine hundred and seventy eight levels so long as your country club does not change hand and that last part is crucial, because if you have a change in ownership, then you have to pay real property tax like every other long suffering, California, taxpayer, who hasn't been in one place since one thousand nine hundred and seventy eight. So the country club surplus us all hang by a thread. They continue to exist. Only so long as the tax system perceives did, they have not changed hands and for years
everyone assumes they haven't changed hands. I mean Brettwood La Country, Club Wilshire, all the major golf clubs we're all founded before one thousand nine hundred and seventy eight. But then a neighborhood newspaper called the LOS Angeles, garment and citizen runs an art. January sixteen, two thousand and ten in which they say wait a minute. Most private country, clubs, in LOS Angeles, have what's called equity owner, their own by their members. When you admit it, you get a share when you die or quit. Someone else takes your share so overtime. If enough members dire quit, isn't that a change in ownership? That question was put to Rick our back, who was then the head of tax assessment for eloquent, I think the court does not have any from. You said something about. Let's see on most issues, we have been hurt. At least the question asked before he said it worked the office three nine years, but this is a new one set up. Our back refers to question to the cities, lawyers they put
best and brightest legal minds on it for six months and on June. Second, twenty ten, the counties Tax Court issues a solemn, four page ruling. They conclude, no country clubs haven't changed hands if you're keeping track. That's the third straight up give from God that allows private country clubs have gotten in the last fifty years I was talking to someone who is a member of the feller punch. You click, ok and, I said, what percentage of the members of Bel AIR today we're members and seventy eight, and he said ten percent, so wise net, a change of ownership rights rather than just did through this whole lots as I've got it. While the other day they kind of get into it. It's there saying there's no one event that is left. That is more than fifty percent of a transfer. Then it's not each other little individual slices are not a change of ownership on their own.
Did you find that argument plausible? Well, It has its price or does the advances we we're in letters of the law, as you know, well, I could swear, has had to cross a table of Donnelly in his cohorts that they were twitching like they desperately want to say something but had to bite your tongue. It's like you that favours SAM paradox. I forgot the ship. Will you The question is: if you change, if you have a shipping, you change the sex of ancient breathing and you change on board at a time is at the end of the day of the different guess what this is. The thing I can't remember is a ship of Theseus, the famous thought experiment described by the greek philosopher Plutarch roughly two thousand years ago. Through tax. As imagine, thesis is sailing on a ship.
And one by one. He replaces every one of their original planks make up that ship with a new plank until every single piece of the ship is new. The question is: when thesis sure, is a ceiling on the same ship as he was when you left or unusual one view says it's a new ship. This is called the myriad logical theory of identity, the identity of some Is this some of its component parts changed the parts you change the thing on the other side of the argument is something called spatial temporal continuity theory which says that an object can maintain its. Identity so long as the change is gradual and the form or shape of the object is preserved the changes of its component materials. I think you can see where I'm going with this. The city's lawyers take the second you so long as a country club reply
its rich white, guys gradually and so long as each new rich white guy preserves the form and shape of the rich white guy he is replacing. Then the private golf clubs of today must have the same existential status as the private golf courses of nineteen. Seventy eight collections of rich white, guys from the standpoint of the l, a county property tax system, possess spatial temporal continuity. At this point, I realized I was in way over my head tax. Assessors, we're not gonna, be enough. I needed an actual philosopher, so I called Marco and of the University of Washington, to get to the bottom of the question of whether large groups of rich white people possess ontological permanence? Here's an argument that favours the space YO temporal continuity theory, the idea that what makes the the ship persists through time is one, and the same is
it moves smoothly through space time, one plank is removed, on overboard and a replacement plank is installed taken from the cargo, the ship as on board. So when it arrives, it doesn't have a single part that is identical to any other parts. It started out with, and so there's no point at which you can say. Ah ha now we have a new ship, a different numerically different ship, so that if you have that sort of argument in mind, you think ok, the space YO temporal continuity criterion is the correct one forget about requiring that all the parts are the same. But companies not finished as a fella of her. His job is to consider all the scenarios raised by the ship of Theseus conundrum. Like them, you the encounter example. The museum example goes like this supposed. The ship is, his enemy, a museum of ancient ships and a gang of crooks is trying to steal this ancient ship and it
lies it can't just haul it out in one piece they would easily be spotted, so they come up with a clever ski, They sneak in every night and steal the ship one border the time. One point good day, so the museum doesn't realise, what's going on by the time their finished one day number an they have all in parts of the ship, remove Now they re assemble them and put it on the black market. There are selling Theseus his ancient ship for a pretty price and they have left a replica behind in the museum? I contend that in this case, when you describe it in this way, it seems as if These this ship has been stolen, piecemeal, from the museum coincide Is it there's no simple answer to the ship of Theseus problem you can go around and around and around that's. Why it's a puzzle
see what the lawyers at the Ella boarded board of. Did they just waltz into a fellow conundrum that is bedeviled some of the best minds in the world for two thousand years and declare victory and say: oh, it's definitely option one space YO temporal continuity. The problem as it stands is solve, and you only come to a conclusion that makes any sense to you. If you place it in in a context in which there is something serve extra metaphysical, something pragmatic, if that helps that kills you in one direction or the other. So, what's the pragmatic extra metaphysical consideration here, it's at LOS Angeles ranks near the bottom of all major metropolitan areas in the United States in terms of public parks. There's Griffith Park
lost in the northeastern corner of the city which only a fraction of the city can even get to and then there's basically nothing except these massive golf courses which are both closed to general public and subsidized but the general public. Do you want to know the size of that subsidy I asked around? A guy I know, knows a guy who's. A member of the Elect Country Club that guy's back of the envelope calculation was at the key what land was worth about six billion dollars, but that was a couple years ago. Then I heard from another guy who said They now think it's worth: nine billion nine billion under normal circumstances, the property taxes on that much land would come to about ninety million dollars a year. Do you know what else country club actually paid? After you add up the Bob Hope exemption? and a space YO temporal continuity, rolling two hundred thousand dollars give or take alright. Let's do the math together
They should be paying ninety million, in fact, their only paying two hundred thousand dollars in property tax. Ninety million minus two hundred thousand dollars. Eighty nine million eight hundred thousand dollars. That's how much the taxpayers of LOS Angeles subsidize one of the Swank EAST country clubs in the world every year. What odor bring up something else that comes to mind which is that the special temporal argument. Taken out of philosophical context strikes me being consent. Hence be really troubling, for example, its very minute something fundamentally intuitive about it. And I don't mean that an egg necessarily and a good way. You know that we get the fact that we call. The Hudson River, the Hudson River, even though the Hudson River? Is it
every second changing it's like you know what is Saint boats? Go down it. You know it's never that you never looks the same way twice ever, but we continue to call it the Hudson River restricts meeting in a political context. This kind of thinking can be used to perpetuate inequality and injustice interesting example. What is the? What does an aristocracy, but up political formulation of the spatial temporal continuity principle right, it is something like that it's it's troubling precisely that way, because they're saying so senses can change and the holders of the privileged can change to the full. Who can die in the sun? Can inherit the peerage, the peerage remains intact. It has this quality, that's independent of all, that's going around it and that's yes in the world,
The I'd, where were the identity of the object, confers, for example, are right or a title, and if it's considered to be held intact and in full, by whoever holds it at any one time. Then. Basically, that removes Jane altogether from the realm of of what matter as far as as ownership is concerned. Yes, so this teeth. Great grandson of the peer still has all the rights and privileges, even though so far removed from the rights and privileges as they attach to the original holder of them. So there is, there is something that is unfair and anti egalitarian about the the way this principle can get applied,
so the golf clubs of LOS Angeles are essentially aristocratic institutions. Exactly, I think, someone needs to tell Brentwood another country club and all the others that, if they want to space YO temporal continuity privileges. They have to give something back. Take down your barbed wire members can play golf on week days, but evenings Weekends belong to the ordinary taxpayers of LOS Angeles. Let them come and enjoy the greens and fair ways that they ve been subsidizing for generations.
It's worth remembering by the way that the most famous golf course in the world, the home of Gulf Saint Andrew in Scotland, is open to the general public on Sundays. In Toronto, the fanciest golf club is rose, Dale Country Club right in the middle of the city, but the golf course is only private in summer, the rest of the time it's open to any one who wants to go for a walk or play phrase: big across go cross country, Canada and the United Kingdom? I would point out are governed by a queen. They An actual aristocracy, but somehow figured out a way to have their fancy. Golf courses be democratic, it only on the corner of sin vicinity and Burlingame. The gulf remains an instrument of medieval privilege when you fly over allay the greens is that you see cemeteries and golf course. Golf courses, you don't see, parks, we don't have a park like say San Francisco, going Park or New York's
Central park dialogue, and I are standing outside the barbed wire Brentwood Country Club peering through offence, we're trying to spot one of the privileged few permitted a walk in the park and the west I see I see one December the Saturday afternoon, son is now coming out of my way, notwithstanding on running track and there's someone running up now. There are more people on that this narrow dirt track than there are typically on the golf course. So we can still see any kind of I've still looking for a call for I'm not. I see one receives that's very exciting next time, I'm coming defence, maybe we all share.
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