Welcome to another episode of the retail Hollis podcast, I am just thrilled to bringing this conversation. In fact, I wanted to have this conversation so much. I flew to a different state in order to be able to do it in person today I am sitting down with logic, wrapper author, wildly creative human being to talk about all the things books and music and wrap and race, and what it looks like to grow up. in this country too really hard circumstances and complete we change your life through your art. We discuss anything and everything. The conversation, is real and raw, and sometimes there is causing severe

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conversations. This is information for the curious. This is the Rachel Hollis I guess, hey the air nice to meet. You ask for a final way out here, yeah, it's my pleasure for sure. What are we doing in Utah you know it's funny. Is I've never really been like a city guy, and I was in our waves of originally from Maryland and move to allay in two thousand twas like twenty third he really bad around. You doesn't late, two thousand twelve after I got my. Could deal with death jam, and I was for so long because I felt the need to Long after I had made it whatever that in here air quotes for those just maybe just listening, I I didn't realize it, and then I was I call you know, I'm really not a scene guy anyway and sell it. I'm gonna

la about here right. It's not like I'm trying to get all these connects with these. It's just was at an early hour sick. I don't really want to be here, even though Please don't yeah, really cool gas is not for me yeah. I am in taxes and everything so pretences years re. So how are we ban in Utah for like a year and a half years? Go and its great objecting to be her forever. I don't know where home home will end up being, but probably run the time my boys like for five years old or try to stay put just for him in tackling aware, was home. Originally where'd you grow up, gave bird Maryland. Which is a kind of liquor a bird of of Washington DC, ok and its its causes. Glad like it's more known as the DMZ, which stands for Deasey, Merlin and Virginia, but I just then, on my time in Maryland, until I started wrapping and they cause there's a whole scene in DC, and then I would got there for open. My knights and is a right and is it. I think I've heard too that the style of racked,

based on where you are and not part of the east coast. It differs right, well, I'm gonna take about go go now, which is a very specific type of music hip hop in there, I M sees its gonna confusing actual it's like there's emphases who will rap over the bees, but primarily morceau singing a certain kind of ready, grimy singing It's weird were not always causes those like female vocals who they just kill it, but yeah very different based on precaution, you know back in the eighties eased called chocolate city DC, so yeah that was The sound and in what it was known for was go go here, Ghana, and how much of where you grab influence the kind of music that you make today. Funny, there's a gentleman name while lay whose around, for where I'm from, and he definitely inspire me like for sure. It's not like he was the end all be all in my sound by any means. So for me it was that's about cynically

where other artists in my area that inspired me and once again there were a few that did as more. So like my home situation, my you know being black, white and looking white and your dad's on crime. and your mom's also a drug addict in an alcoholic, and crime in my bra Sellen cracked, dad and like all these different things is more so when influence the music, because it also fluids my life is realize that this was a path that I didn't necessarily when walked out myself. He's I'd, seen how it affected ah how it affected every single person damn near, not everybody, but a majority. The people in my family that essentially began walk down the same path, so I didn't want. It I didn't smoke until like smoke weed I smoked wait. A couple times is a teenager That's crazy! I don't really drink until I was like twenty five. So let me let me

Is that a little bit if it's ok? How? What do you think it was about you? Was it an outside influence or something internal? that you had all got around you and both of your parents and the stress and the circumstances to me. You want to know now what you think it was that you didn't follow the same path. I always say that it was like God and common sense and when it comes to two gonna really an organised religion guy, but I do respect everyone's faith there. I have no issues that you have my own personal beliefs and I don't believe in sky, dad white dude on a cloud with a beard right, but I believe in something we know whatever. He or she is or what and for me. I'd like to say it's that mixed with common sense. You know they talk about, like nature vs nurture and I wasn't really nurtured in sure was crazy. So I don't know what happened exerts so weird. It's like. I can't explain it. You know it. Does

It doesnt really make sense. I mean even grown up. You know my mother. She would use the inward with a hard are at our kids, myself included. I would tell that story. You PETE when they would go. Oh, my god that doesn't make any sense in, unlike exactly that, a majority of my life trying to make a big and only to realise that I'm better off, excepting for whatever the hell. It was, regardless of my being able to understand it. so tat. I may have a better outlook and relationship with my life in general. So I say all that to say it's a lie letting go it's a lot of not knowing where why or how, but not needing to find an answer. I think I'm just okay with the fact that I made it out and in damn you ready and there's a sense of survivors. You know, I mean I look at all people that I love, who just didn't make it. How does that manifest for you that, Sir, ever scale. That was just more so like you look at certain people in your family, work, extremely

he created or can't make certain decisions or were never able to break the loop of welfare see the same thing like a living under the government on educated. It's it's difficult thing and I'm just like. I don't know how it how I gotta. What's he got so slight regular cheating on my fear, saying, unlike damn, that sucks the euro, to put it bluntly and weird, and you feel, like I heard on site were either a mere of or a reaction to our family of origin. I've never we heard that so meaning that list would have become them or we become the opposite of them, but very much liked you ever think about. I doubt you read my books, because you are not my demographic, but I have a very different way of really hard childhood and really not great parenting, stuff

and every single bit of who I am and my success and what I ve been able to do is a reaction to coming out of that. So do you sort of frame it through that lends? Are you just more like present in the moment kind of going with what is happening today, just wouldn't be, who I am today if it wasn't for all the dysfunction and negativity and some of the happy moment as well that I grew up in like it's just I am wholeheartedly who I am because of those things. So its yeah. I may I agree, is just right: wording re egg, but how you perceive it. How I could perceive it how this or that, but it's really is all the same thing. I think our childhoods make us who we are again, whether whether we follow that path or not, whether it's you know on purpose and with conviction to do the opposite way: do the same. If we have had a good upbringing, it's I don't know, I just like I said you, I had a body that I grew up within. He came from the better part of Gettysburg.

again, the three story House in a data worked for the government, loving mother and ever needed, thing, and then you know he slices some dude stomach open in his intestines, fall on the floor and needs in jailed for fourteen airs and that being the case in one hour the kid running around with them. You know Eba guns in my hands and we were shooting gin, doing dumb, Stephan Wrapping in all this stuff- and here was this white boy who came from a pleasant place, who is now walkin around- you know our town with I shot under Andrews Trench cope. Meanwhile, I came from the place where you think that have been me right. I turned out in many ways I think at least more so as a human being, just as a person the way he would have. Growing up in a three story house with the x y- see him but land. You think he would turn out the way that I did or would have since I was raised that way and in my household, are you find

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I mean how many interviews, if you watched books You know it's just like you kind of trotted. Do your best to be the your favorite percy I'm enjoy yeah and then through that you realize you know what I actually wouldn't do it that way, and I would prefer to do it this way or the x Y see and then that's what makes you unique in turn. So for me, I thought it was more soldiers. This drive our quest and Wooten clan, and you know something different amazing artists and in trying to do what they did in fine, figure out why they did it and how they did it as well as they did, whether its enunciation and pronunciation, and you notice. A certain level of having for Happy Laramie gnaws when he was, Before illmatic right, no matter came out. Ninety three, I believe, might have been ninety two, but I'm pretty sure it was one thousand nine hundred and ninety three and so It comes out and he's using words like cerebral cortex, unlike all the shameless like from the Junta that he's from Queens Bridge like selling drugs and all this, the people just didn't talk that way, and so That is another thing that inspired me till. I check out.

books from the library on Human anatomy and medical terms, firms and all this at a shit. So, rather than just like you know, listen to whoever tongue about our beaches and howls and fuck. It look at his money and all whatever I was like now, I also don't have any of that select. What can I talk about Ray? I think the mixture between my home life studying what the great before me had done and just cut what did you something different like integrate? The fact that I'm a nerd- and I like syphon enemy in all these different things, which I was perfect for many years for in hip hop, but I think I'm also a big reason of why hip hop has changed and there are people like me who don't necessarily have to fit a certain stereo type or talk about a certain thing: because in a sorry and I'm going on now, this is like my dream. I really am fascinated by how people do what they do. So you cannot bore me, keep appreciate, show, I think it's it's,

you know you have these artists who aren't actually who they are they? Actually they truly do fabricate a lot of who they are the great ones he had the fewest ones, but the guys who are like I'm in the herd and I'm doing there, someone that cause they're they're, just like perpetuating a notion that Europe has to be a certain things which have always found extremely bullshit. You know you if you look at it the genre of rap right so, first and foremost, whose it was it was born something beautiful kind. You know people definitely of color trying to spread a message, a message of peace, utility from Grandmaster Flash and furious five to run dm seed. Dj cool irc, it was built on something For now, when you have guys like interviewing ice cuban in x and anybody who may bring them necessarily what I'd like to call a negative connotation hip, hop by any means, but just a different perspective. If Aguilar from the hood, if you are shooting guns, because you never really, a family and you need to survive, and you are selling drugs because you can't even get a job for three twenty five

when a Mcdonald's like it's just, is what it is a right that in their music there telling their truth bitten, We have other people who did not stir live that life or live that life to that degree or would rather glorify the negativity or a binding? Didn't you know you have this different sect of the music and once again that isn't bad. It's just a perspective yeah, so Will you can have the positive and negative the nerdy this all this other of these other things in between? I look at rock n roll, and I look and I love her utter. Even fucking- listen Arap as I spent so much of my life. Listening to him, my marriage just listen, backed Margo interim wine, the flaming lips and you know just classic seventies Rock and Bob Dylan like that's what I love to protect myself, there clapped encountered the other night. Don't it was so Seko's onto my wonder concept by myself and I was just like well, oh, my god, it's fucking US year, but their throw me.

I just love all music and I appreciate in Revere Hiphop for sure, but the thing a pisses me off about mainstream media entertainment and how we, what we do with hip hop in what the reason I say this is talking about the idea of plumping. What oh hip hop is just this worry you have certain persona. Is that our create in in, like a sense of fallacy, right that that isn't necessarily real, so that whatever what I'm saying is rock or rock lose rock runs rock this rock that rock and if you take ay, a genre of music, that's even younger than here public electronic music. You have electronic electro, Techno dubstep atm like all the stuff and knows have Areas: categories in sub, generous, especially when it comes to committees and what their deciding to basically what categories Ghak go in the Grammy's or this or that, but we

part. That's all you have his hip interest and had never thought about that, because you could have the guy who's awesome super third shit, but he's telling his his his truth and then you could have somebody like Drake. Who said and have his arms right and bad right, and then you could have somebody like myself, Chemical Margie call you perhaps it then you can have Travis got an list so, and so it is only one fucking category, it is saying it's bullshit. Is their legs thing within the industry, calling should honour and sort of asking for I don't. I didn't way just might have like opened up another day. Bushes about your raises, says why people for real that yeah really comes down to it. Comes down to urban. Daddy. I just got rid of that that, like Ass is there's another wherever they are worried about the Niggers right here, and this is like what kind of shit is re is bullshit right. So for me it's never been something that I appreciate you don't really funny to wet having their sir. These opinions,

an understanding, a certain site of culture and looking widest fuck. I wondered about that because, if you are going to be perceived as one thing for sure. Based on the way you look you and I wondered how that affected. You, as you were trying. to move up in this world and should of grow in a certain way and then you're, probably getting oh. This is like this this one example that we have of a white wrapper yes or any sort of like throw you into this category without knowing the new and all of the detailed mad. That's as well. That's what people do I mean it's, it's it's human. You know it, you could take the you know this woman and say will know you're, not right you're, not this! yeah. That above about say. Yes, I, this is who I am So for me, yeah mean race was never really a thing. You know, haven't blacked out in a way mom and look in the way that

look. I was always accepted by people like the internet, such a fake, ass, fuckin place like it. It doesn't really like life in race relations that dont really exist way in the real world. It's like why people rap black people awesome guys you it's not really this thing, yeah go sit down. I do interviews new date, what's it like being a white wrapper? What's it like been away wrapper and then I'd have to explain that I know well. I'm not. I mean I am, but I am also lack on the act and way my dad's blacken. Then it becomes a whole or argument, not even a commerce. asian, and I'm not the one arguing about how, black or how I'm not black or how black or you are how this or how that it would have the case may be. I know it's kind of fucked up, but I never really gave a shit, and I know I never focused on it and you know it wasn't until my third album witches hundreds of salt that I had released up into this point that I decided you know what I'm gonna wanna talk about it on a few songs on this album

and then it was like. Oh only talks about is being by racial and he's trying to prove himself, and so I see- and I just think it's really funny that you have Cassa conjugal more and you know of blackmail- killer MIKE and all these incredible empty, is that damn Ian, every song talk about how they're black I'm black black and black black is beautiful and so beautifully black and I'm like yeah and then here I come on this on this one record and I'd like them to things. At the same time, they're going to shut the Fuk up as I am the minority now I mean you, you can also have people who have been upset an angry and they say things that. Would you don't know what it's like to walk down? The street is a black man to which I can report. Will you don't know it like to walk down the street is a black man in a white man's body, but also at end of the day. I never came at you, I'm not angry at you for having your experience and life's a worry, so angry at me for having mine when it really just comes down he was everybody has an opinion. Everybody wants to say something: everybody wants to fight and argue for whatever,

broken reason- and here I am the guy who's, just yellin peace, loving, positivity and also hey. This is my Ernie. Here's. What I went through in some people went up shoot you down and shout at you and say that it's not writer, what's right, what's wrong with this or that in all I know is. I was born into this world by a black man in a white woman who were fuckin crackheads and alcoholics, and I made it out to spread a positive message, and if that upset you don't you just go fuck is seriously great guy, it's good is it has like this. I have nothing against live tell me what it was like to like. How do you go from your writing? Songs to you become large, like I know, that's a lot of what the book is about your it sort of this process of becoming, but Michelle Obama already took that title. Some should evaluate and go for. So what was it like, because I dont think you came up instead of a traditional route and you you,

social media quite a bit to sort of grow year brand, yet for sure well was so yeah. Was it like the height of the beginning of the change in music and branding of all these things online? So this was, before social media and places like Twitter, an interim didn't even know what they had at this point I have been making music. I learn how to record. I basically had this old like microphone. I would use- and I was rapid over beads and me- over time. Things got better equality got better and I'm finding friends who may be sir, shoot videos and we're just kind of creating this thing in that I'm utilizing twitter and anybody listening now, you're gonna go go like I would. I would put my video on Twitter and tweet it out and it seems like, oh my god, but this was like discovering the wheel rise at this age of the internet, there was no making it there. It was you got to be on the radio you got to be on. Mtv got to be on all these things like that. That's what matters and so that's just it.

what it is we want, what we want, how we wanted and when we want it so much so to the point: where am I Apple tv right, which I love. It's like that they may drop to read original episodes, but then you have to still wait weekly to watch it and in many ways that even in and of itself is very like old school there I mean with anything now it's at the Tipp of your feet. there's you can just have a watch, it ll do it all at once this the day this was different. It wasn't like that. If you wanted to songs Daedalus, no radio, if you want to watch a music video used to watch and tv, so me and J Hall and tangible MAR Mac Miller to take a clear and was gleeful Abidjan, John and so many others grid action. Bronson echo going to take embed, a video and go hey, you guys can watches anytime. You want right now here you go, it was extreme. We revolutionary. So I would. I was doing that and I was really connecting with my fans and

doing these lives streams. It's just so funny. I say all these things now lives dreams into a system like the right, but back then it just do it is it was anything and was it sort of raw and greedy and in a moment it wasn't polished, it wasn't, I am highly produced or you are sending out like a finnish piece of cotton would differ sure it was finished contact, but it wasn't. A buddy was content with no budget, but we made it look like it was great. You know we'd go steel, shots literally like a jump on moving train in my country, my camera. I would support a movie traded on there and, unlike do in a rapid, I'm like oh shit, ok, we got and when I got a job, I have to say that you, so it was stuff like tat. It was very guerrilla. Agree in grimy, which is cool, but it looked veto and it was honest and sincere and from the heart- and you know you in it about becoming logic, I think that's what people appreciated about it, the most so Still when I came up here, you did yet people, I kid Cutty who

feel very similar to when I think about the emotional content in his music and how open he is in regarding depressed and in suicide, and all these have all these different things are inspired me to them later on, be able to work in that time to be able to express myself in b extremely open and honest, but these conversations with fans via the music saying, like your important you're amazing, oh you're, a nerd me too. Oh, you don't fit in me to life and I think that's that's. What did it. support for the Rachel Hollis podcast comes from three m committed to protecting health care workers globally. Three, employ cress, knows that healthcare workers, like his daughter, may need to get up close to provide patient care. He is working hard to direct high performing personal protective equipment to hospital, and hot spots, so she and nurses like her, can be protected while caring for their patience here

story at three m dot com. Flash improving lives, three science applied to life. So this is like two thousand and two thousand eleven and I don't even know what was going on, which is crazy, he's out. So I'm doing this film called. Agnes, that I wrote. starting and I'm funding atoms paying my two million dollars, dues moving them really excited, sometimes I'm like a man. Am I really making a movie like? I can't believe it almost doesn't feel like. I am because it look, I'm some dude with a two thousand seven cannon like out Duenna, class fill the Daphne yeah their families gonna. What exactly is like a real thing you and being on set with Joseph Gordon Lever for his show, Mr Corpsman or in our filming this weekend? It just gets crazy, but back then, when was essentially doing what I'm doing now in film, I thought-

Like I wasn't doing shit, I was just a kid in a basement and I was constantly focusing on the future and the next the next thing in the next that and once I really started- and I'm still make me- every day I love music, it's amazing, but this is the next chapter in my life, and I remember one day I was on set Apple original. I have this crazy episode and I'm in it, and I don't play some wrapper like an actor its great and I'm on satellite pan. I just wish to, and I started catch myself the same way that I was back in the basement. Thinking about the future I had more fans or if I could go on tour, if I could just get a record deal or if I could this did it out whatever, and I look back on their times, and I dont truly appreciate and because I wasn't as present or in the moment as I possibly could have been, because I was so focused on the what, if so, What I want or the desire of or if I could one day, get there and even though I sacrificed my entire twenties and had that

Zack same mentality every year for the last fifteen years with film. I will not do that and I have not done that and I am telling myself dude your the base, Moraine God who enjoy this cause, you're, never gonna, be here again, yeah, that's so good and also love hearing about any sort of creative who keeps pushing themselves into new spaces design this as well, and I feel it every time I try and do something crazy same is that I wrote a movie script. A Monterrey songs. I write a poem leaden, whatever I'll do, I'm making it up because I? U get? You feel stale, when you're doing the same medium over and over and over and you ve tried ok I've written in a bar two different genres for books and now I want to try a different mediums, but there is sometimes a push back. The audience when you do that. You feel that from yours values that you care the added another you this without either

I believe in mastering your craft and I'm a master musician. May I don't I say said it with ego. I say that with confidence and just fact like I spent my entire life and sacrificed many you're gonna go to parties at in drink. I decided that an astute You know it listening to beats whatever the case may be. So what see people in their like an actor singer, dancer musician, DIS, dad, didn't like all these things and thereby on twitter there, like nineteen, unlike our years, he's gotta. You know, I believe, the ten thousand our theory. I think as much time as you put into something you're guaranteed to see that get their back and get those results. As long as you truly are insane and crazy person, and you make Your whole life. So you know for well over a decade. I've been making music, and now I can just its legal breathing. So and once again I dont say that a sound any type of waste as I do. What I do when I do a very well yeah and you know, being at a round table with amazing actors.

and having my heart beating out of my chest as I'm, therefore, like this table led re, that's something that I don't feel when I'm on stage it matters a square garden sold out. I don't do that anymore. Yeah, I'm excited to be there. I am so Stoke, but, unlike you, let's go like this is what I do, and so I need something makes my heart racing Owen. That's! family and these these new endeavours, yeah, that's really cool I love the idea to abstain present in this new thing. Cedar rush pastor is difficult, yeah I do it all the time, especially if your future oriented very your oriented, so it's it's is difficult because I'm concentrating about the next but my biggest thing is balanced. Doing my best to five thousand do my best to be present, but you know I talk to my friend about to see other. Do he's a brother. People who, like travel the world and go to India for twenty years, to try to find how to be present right hand out rally There is a pretty good job. What do you think it

like for you in the next five years. If your future oriented it means you prefer we now a year? I don't know where I'll be living or what I'll be doing, but film for sure of tat, film and music and still torrent and things like that when I want to, but We do what I want and it has really welcome. That is what I want. I had a very city life. Her childhood, I should say- and I worked very, very hard to be blessed enough to be able to do whatever I want so yeah zones screw it up and blow my money in smoke. Crack to do that. You can. We gonna buy your creative process because I think from the outside looking in I love looking at that, Pollution of everything from the music to the art work to make I was looking at the book is here I was looking up. Cover the book and I Was it looks like an album cover, as does the guy who does a lamb governor? I wonder if I literally like this is so SEC and its oh unique, n Y.

Normally, you would see if it cover book from this particular publisher, about this particular topic. So how did is that creative peace, as your like you know hitching a ride on a train illegally to get a shot. As that always been part of her you are. Is that something you ve learned to develop Berlin into over time and or is it who use around yourself? With of all those things, I think the same time so before I even had the access to such incredible artist. I just had to do my best with when I had you know, but I think once I discovered SAM Sprat, who has done every single album cover of mine. It was just great because he was there to push me help me and you know really create an entire universe for I fancy because, like when I say, I'm a nerd like YO its nerve, like almost like my second I was about to people. It's called the incredible true story and

about these. Two gentlemen: in a year, twenty one, fifteen lighted there's no life on earth. Five million people live in those space station floating through space called the Babble space station. They're they're trying to find a habitable planet and they believe that they found one which is called Paradise and as there in the active this ship that's like kind of going off to check it, may make sure everything safe there. a conversation with. There are a counterpart and her name is Dalia and value in them are having all these conversations in what we are actually talking about, his oldies music. So, essentially from a hundred years ago, but that all these in their day at your service, to be logic that listening to a logic album, so there haven't relations about logic and hip, hop and nerdy shared, and all these things and issues like that's me like be to take the things that I love and then give you this audio cinematic experience. That's like this radio play or like some like Orson Welles, shit like that is really fun and I,

the biggest reason why I did that and went so crazy with. That is because what I really wanted to be doing was making fill out. I had another means at it. I guess that's obscene here writing scripts. I have two characters and it's like you talk about inspiration of fifteen years before then I was I was. Watching and Anna make called cowboy bebop, which is one of my favorite enemies, jet these animated series of all time, twenty six besides limited whence one season series and this guy who plays Thomas, so it's funny so the main. The captain's name is Quentin Thomas and the man infantry his name is, is William Kai, so Quentin because eloquent to guarantee Knowed Thomas, because I just thought about how we all have self doubt kind of like doubting Thomas from the Bible, William for me, was actually about. money trying to get money, because bill is short for William Select bills and try and his bills pay these bills whatever it may be, and then Kai is what for a high, which is

and pc, or a beat machine that I would make all my my wraps on. So every facet of everything that I do stems from something and then- the guy who plays Quentin Thomas, is actually voiced by the guy, who plays the main character on cowboy, be bought. My fate they sound like sterner, realize I well. I can pool all these things into this in and then SAM's Brown is there to help me actually give it a visual life, and you know whether worth doing like a recreation of a renaissance type photo for my third album everybody, yet the just the waiting can even tie, and so my first album under pressure is me in the basement. It's so this basement that I talk about. It's me on the base. with a homey, a mine, and I'm just like writing. And then my last album no pressure which came at last year is me in that basement. But it's like breaking up into this heavenly space as I'm like floating kind of into this place. He added to me represents like hey, like you made it your file

we hear you can just let go gravity nothin's, holding you down anymore, just do whatever you want you free memoir. If you look at it and you see I'm floating in, we did was we took. I had him paint what would be the back? of the no pressure album cover and take my floating legs and asked him. I said, but I want a child falling into darkness beneath it because My childhood was that far lying, like literally just every corner every aspect of it. I should have been here and yet somehow that following turned into levitating, it turned into rising out of their child, it so whether its music film scripts, this that without a doubt it is extremely important that visuals in store Telling is everything tat to me, such as big as a hose in both those are fine, ok, I'll

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If you want some more structure around your growth wanna, make sure you check out inner circle. Details are in the show notes, and we to have you as part of the fund. explain to me how you hold onto that. What I mean It is, I know a lot of people, writers, Artis musicians, who experience great success, and it is almost eats away or roads, the creative instinct, because the become so known for one thing that then yet, surrounded by all these people and their money and like how have you has been hard for you to hold onto it. It's funny cause us. We somehow veered away from a similar question that you just tied into, which was when you do other things out of fans. Take it rightly so the same. Could be said with this, first fans

We take a well, but I could give a shit because a true fan of somebody, it's a fanatic, it's absolutely loves you and He's gonna adore you. It is what it is and ends in other some people. Well, I will now, if I dont like something but issues, people in really used to talk like that, like once, you got what you social, media you're following the person, you love your liking, their comments, you say a great job. You start to realise that you can turn this device on yourself Then it becomes about you and then you realize I hold the power we have. The power and these hashtags and we got his album. what I thought it would be in the other people, all this shit whatever, and then it becomes about the consumer and less about the person whose creating art, which I have had my fair, of doubt, with I've made not necessary, I wouldn't say that I have made the best music. I really do put my whole heart into everything, but

I have made music based on what fans are saying, and that is not a good thing to, especially when you make music like make. As I pick up a guitar, I can sing. I wrap I make you know all different kinds of music and I realize that if I want to make like trap, fun hype party, music, there's a bunch of people who aren't going to like it, because if you need a like the logic that RAP like he's in the basement, when I do the super raw greedy hip, hop, Nastase shit and then there's other that both of those people are gonna hate. When I do the more you no kind of alternative, forty muse there, because as I their general music and then it's so it's like. I have to realise I'm different- and I am doing this for myself right That is the biggest thing because, like people turn on you like that and I've I've, but the crazy shit is like it's such a finite amount of people by guy there, just the loudest yeah yeah yeah. I heard two percent, so I had.

Thirty one, you know they really say when you and your thirty's, you give, you can have a clear grip on who you are and you you spend your twenties. I try to find yourself and I know who I am and I know what matters and I know what does it and now I just could give a fuck yeah and I'm just gonna makes it and if you like it cool and if not hate whatever it doesn't matter, at the end of the day, I really do you myself as a child. I children in our creative and beautiful people, like a match and all the terrible horrible things that people can say to you on the internet. Like you suck your fucking terrible you'll, never be shit. I hope you baby dies you wife's ugly, but allow and then, in saying that too sure of me when I'm five years, all right. It's like fuck, you like on a creative person. I may do what I want and if you like a coup and if not cool and the biggest thing here too, as you have, a majority of people are not a majority. You have a section of people who are saying these things, but they are doing nothing fry the real thing they I wish it were. They wanna be doing what you Y yeah, it's like you are

judging something you ve literally, never even tried to do M, which desire to try to take the wheat. Do you feel like you, Are this creative because you create every day no now cause used to create everyday. I think that's what makes me a great wrapper, because I used to wrap every day and multiple songs a day for years, and I have thousands and thousands and thousands of songs that you just don't even out. You know there are good enough. You know you don't see every you didn't see Michael Jordan in the gym missing, all those jobs should make the shots rail. So no, I think I am a path in my brain is constantly trying to create or think of things, but I think it this stage of my life personally, the lack of creation and finding Alison spending that time with my son or my wife for my this or may, that is actually better for me because then, when I do sit down there, I it's go time and I can be so excited to like really focus on something because I've let I've let art in creation rule me.

so long to get here. But now it's like do like you, gotta, take a break. Yeah import yeah. So when does work there on the movie authority regarding our and who were doing like pre production and all that and we got a cast soon, but it's cool cause. It's like It's crazy! It's a is a wild ride. Man is its ache, an ongoing No, don't give anything away, but it's fun you're having fun. Yes, guy, I'm it's weird my favorite thing about music: isn't releasing it it's making it and watching my friends, reactions to it like it when I'm in this studio right here and I'm in the corner and I'm like watching people if they catch a certain punchline, or you know, whatever the case may be, like that's really gets me excited, I kind of hate, the the port of like released, end of the world to get shit on yeah, even though their doesn't really get shit. Why? But it just like as a creative. That's all you think you think about the re negative, something

but the cooling his dislike I've been so off the internet. That now, when I released music item, not even part of this right, which is kind of sad, but at the same time free Because it just like, I can do whatever I want, and I know that nothing is alter how I make music or I do next show with this process. It makes me feel just as happy and kind of a little happier now it's weird because making, music is the most blissful experience like I love it, but there's something that about this but this is new- were less experienced, so I'm learning constantly in its more exciting, I'm just in phase of my wife of Yasser yeah. I'm excited for you. I know that, but there is a big deal to move into a new genre. Not a lot of people have the courage to do that so good for you pursue so why the new book, your service is to pay me about how we go back, I got you drive another when I got to know Did you know

did. Might my first book supermarket and that was just a work of fiction. It was a novel and that was fun to do I just I don't know I've been toying with the idea of doing a memoir, which is crazy to think to do it by thirty one. You know, but I've been through a lot of shit. And I wanted to do it because I people to finally know the truth, not fragments of an idea were, you know something that took place in the past. Three bars and wraps song like, I really wanted them too, to be invited into into everything, and so I was like here, you go in a minute, many ways it was cathartic and it was a really forgiving and beautiful. orientated allowed me to really look. I think, leave so many so much of my life and my childhood on the page, there forever and it's a secured is cool like boom legates, Canada, Adam I don't need to explain myself to anybody anymore. It's like if you really want to know, go read my book right. It's, not an argument

That was something that was really great about that you know doing a lot of interviews, sir. You knock on my up in the questions in their like what about this and how come, then you know this and that it had there's nobody to ask those questions. You just have to read it and if you like it, you do and if you don't want accept my truth, that's fine! But here it is what, when his father had like free or how much as it can you person, he has changed every aspect of my life because it just all the cliches, they say our true, you never be so in love with any thing see as dislikes the best, my little boy so cute. I love him. and it's made you don't even my release you ve stronger with his mom in just valuing what is important, what is added value of fear like yeah, look, I don't know the next time I'm goin on toward that are really wanna leave. I will go eventually when I feel like it when I'm excited to go, but its changed. Its change entire perspective of my reality. In what matters in what is important,

This is a random piece of advice but- and I dont know, if You even like her music but pink, has a documentary on Amazon and the entire things about taking her kids onto her. So might be. Very inspiring were alive. No, how does a year we have yeah yeah yeah, it's a really really cool her unknown yonder record. I mean don't read his job. That does not mean I can't down just wrote out beyond now. I believe that their I just you know. I can at the time that I was hanging out with pink and Elton John was forty. We unheard engages to me on the roads, as we did at the beginning of the jets remakes housing, which you remixes and I was like. I am But anyway, I have to check that out through either inspiring as a working mom. I was really inspired by how sheaf makes them feel like it. They are part of the experience cash you sort of like the only way I can do this. Is if my family overhung say ass, I feel it you'll. Have you seen working moms! Guess

the fair in Berlin. At the bare love said brother. I really appreciate the time this has been. Thank you, sick, XL, Panther, getting out with you if people want to grab the book just anywhere books are sold I'm assuming yeah and are you did you do the audio book? I do I'd narrated, the entire think very kind. I didn't narrators like an old by I wish lad. Now I didn't like now like I'm talking to you, that's cool. You know about it. Then I do all these voices and yet three people will enjoy it, yeah awesome all Bobby. I appreciate the time and I hope Sunday we meet again in the future when we're at the Grammy's and hypocrisy. Twelve category very soon? Swag, ok bags! Thank you The Rachel Hollis podcast is hosted by me. Rachel Hollis are. Is edited by Andrew Weller with a dish,

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