Due to the graphic nature of this killers crimes listener discretion is advised. This episode includes dramatization and discussions of murder and assault that some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for children under thirteen now enjoy the show. The urban dictionary defines Casanova, as quote a smooth talking charmer, whose mastered the art of finding meeting attracting. An seducing beautiful women into the bedroom. Once he accomplishes Gul, he leaves the woman out of here of having relationship and seeds defined as next conquest. The two comes from the man considered the most famous lover in history: G Como, casinos, of a nation womanizer during eighteenth century, the money,

was later given to a handsome suave and alluring man by the name of Paul John Knolls. He would pick women up sleep with them, but instead fleeing into the night. To avoid a commitment he killed. The women giving a new morbid meaning to the term conquests He was the Casanova, killer One woman who fell under his spell, however, would get out alive. Her name was Sandy Fox. The year was one thousand nine hundred and seventy five the place was the Polaris. A rotating bar and Atlanta. Georgia, British reporter Sandy Fox, went to dinner with Darrell Golden a man. She, a holiday in bar a few days earlier. She later grab him as a little odd, even scary, despite that at the moment, she found it hard to say good bye. He was charming. Intelligent tall with his long sandy red hair, she thought he looks kind of like Robert,

further Ryan O Neill. He asked her if she would write a book about him because he didn't have much time to live. He told her. He was going to be killed soon because of something he did in the past before he met her, to explain that some tapes he left with his lawyer would come out after he died and would all make headlines. She thought he was being funny she, liked him. So she went on a road trip with him a week later Sadie. Fox, would learn that Darrell Golden wasn't this man's real name, the man. She was true link with was actually Paul, John Knolls unknown, was right in just over a month. He was dead. She did eventually write a book about him in which she recounted this conversation unbeknownst to her at the time. She was travelling with a serial killer, one who would capture the public's attention a few weeks prior to his death knows. Was taken a military, build Georgia to be

rain. For some of these murders and huge crowds lined the street hoping for a glimpse of him. A week later, he died in police custody shot while trying to escape from the back the squad. When Whiteley in TED. Well, funeral home was preparing his corpse for the burial, the mortician we see Jeff call from a teenage girl asking us He could see knolls body. Her reason She'd, never seen a mass murderer. People can become obsessed with serial killers, dries fear and control, troll of it. We actually have a slight spike in adrenaline when we see something bad like a car accident on the side of the road adrenaline responds response makes us enjoy in a sense learning about serial killers, even seeing them. It gives us a rush even if it's a small one, because its allowing us to confront something. We fear, in this case violent random death from within a country, environment and knolls would have inspired a lot of fear from July

two November nineteen. Seventy four he drove back and forth across the country from months violently taking the lives of men, women, children and the elderly he exhibited no we'll patter and killed in a variety of styles. Confounding police is still not clear how many people knows killed. Eighteen victims have been proven, knolls claims he murdered almost double the fox came to one or why knolls didn't kill her. So would Barbara Tucker radio copywriter, who knows held hostage for thirty six? wars and in a rare show of mercy left alive in Florida motel? Why did he spare them? The answer might be connected to why he killed the rest. Hi, I'm Gregg pulsing and welcome to serial killers a die think of the mines and motives of some of the most infamous an editorial serial killers, and I'm done

Sir Richardson Vanessa, we'll be answering questions I have about the mental make up a serial killer, what makes him tick but moulded them and what their thought processes like. And she will provide other valuable insight. It's important with that she's, not a psychologist your psychiatrist, but, like me, she is fascinated by this College you serial killers and has done of research for the show this week and tweak Vanessa. Looking at Paul John Knolls, the Casanova killer and crimes breathed that traversed thirty, seven AIDS, leaving as many as thirty five dead this week, will examine, knows life from his youth in and out of reform school to his multiple stance in Florida, prison and then will dive into his murder spree and his spectacular death in search of clues as too Ah, he committed so many heinous homicides, and why he's heard some of his victims. If you want to listen to any previous episodes of serial killers, find them all in your favorite podcast directory dont forget to subscribe,

You can also listen on our website. Parkhurst dotcom spelled Ba CS t dot com, a new bestowed comes out every Monday visit. Our Facebook page park asked to join the conversation Vanessa, but the press called Knolls Casanova killer because of his easy charm and handsome face, Do we know how those viewed himself, a Siegel Siegel? He compared himself to a single yes and not any Siegel. Jonathan Livingston, Sego, but love I think I still have my high school copy somewhere, not surprising, written by Richard back in nineteen. Seventy. It talked the New York Times best seller list for thirty eight weeks and then in nineteen. Seventy, two and nineteen seventy three. It was the best selling novel in the United States and its about a single, a sego who doesn't fit in he's. Not listed in a regular Siegel life- he just wants to fly sir aspiration. That's probably the

only thing knolls took from this book, because Jonathan Livingston Siegel is about living a positive life. Contains lessons on love, respect forgiveness and helping others quite to the type of operational philosophy associated with most serial killers. What about Jonathan Livingston Siegel? Did he identify with their lives, all the way back to nineteen fifty three Jacksonville young, first class, the police. When he was seven years old, he stole a bike and road. Right into trouble with the law knows: parents, Thomas and body, had their hands full with young Paul. He refused to do homework. What we say here is that, from the beginning, he had a strong disdain for authority. Do we find that often in serial killers. Sometimes, as you know, many serial killers seek control for murderers. The active killing gives them an opportune, need to gain control by having so much power

or someone else's life, some killer seek out authority roles as a security guard, for example, there was no so different from such a young age, maybe two things: first, even we didn't do its homework? Knolls was very intelligent. Later in life, you scored on an intelligence test in prison unusually high for an inmate. He also read a good deal, not just Jonathan Livingston Siegel, so he didn't do its homework or care for authority figures, because he didn't feel like he needed them right and knows really liked attention from his peers and rebelling against it. I already gave him that attention he sought, so he misbehave off and talking back to adults and stealing he get in trouble and then we'll go back to his friends who laughed and encouraged his continued misbehavior. It was a cycle would continue through adulthood, as a minor knolls was sent away to the floor to school for boys six times I have arrived

charges which included, breaking and entering an grand larceny the floor to school for noise was a reform, school and juvenile detention centre in Marianna Florida the whole I second, the Florida is a big big state a handful of nose. Murders happen there later on, Please would chastened across the length of the state so as a frame of reference. How far Marietta from Orlando. It's four and a half hour drive near the Georgia border. Ok, thank you. Please continue. The floor to school, for boys probably did significant damage to knolls emotionally and psychologically as for all of its one hundred and eleven year history, there allegations of the staff abusing torturing and even murdering students. After goes, closure and twenty eleven excavations uncovered the remains of over fifty students and some believe there were even more unfortunate

lay. This wasn't uncommon at reform, schools and it's why very few still exist, reform schools were originally developed with the idea that troubled youth's needed to be separated from older, more dangerous criminals, the goal was to create it firemen solely for juvenile delinquency, focused on rehabilitation rather than discipline. Doing so early advocates for reform, schools hoped to lessen recidivism, that sounds a lot like a modern day. Juvenile detention centre would they were similar, though they housed more delinquents than modern detention centres. Do today, authorities aspire to keep lesser offenders at home and only send minors to detention centres pose a threat to the public. Eventually, the same issues present in normal prisons when child and adult inmates were intermixed also arose in reform. Schools. Older students took on the role of the adult inmates, bullying and abusing their younger counterparts, and the guards were worse.

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While early childhood abuse does not always lead to psychopathic tendencies in adults. Forty two percent of convicted serial killers were physically abused as children. So I suppose we could say knolls was a product of the system at least in part but knows, was described as having a temper even when he was young, his parents and teachers often faced an intense full rage if they tried to reprimand him and he also exhibited violence against female classmates during this time. What are these and sisters, said: nose like detention and would grow violent if he didn't get. It once knows punched the girl the face for rejecting as advances some Casanova. He also told a friend that one day he would be a quote famous bad guy, which is consistent with something else. We know about knolls he idolized outlaws knolls loved books about famous criminals like Joe

Dillinger, maybe face Nelson and body and Clyde not work. You will you not stealing cars for suitable employment rat went to diesel, or I was I was the state prison crazy whale- I guess similar lady one, so mass armed robbery, the things that China Industries, these They all shared at least three common bonds. These criminals all travelled across the country, committing crimes and murders They all lost their lives and violent shootouts with the police and all of them achieved a the level of fame on par with actors and professional athletes, except they didn't have to put in work and actor or professional athletes would if it was

attention Knoll sought a life of crime, was an easy path to infamy. That was not a part of Jonathan Livingston, Siegel didn't think so, but now we're seeing Pattern, knolls really really liked being the centre of attention at that is extremely amongst several different types of murderers. Mark David Chapman, who assassinated John Lennon thought killing the musician would make him famous. Mass murders have frequently expressed a desire for notoriety that comes from media cover, of mass shootings and perhaps the most famous serial killer of the twentieth century? Charles Manson was a failed musician who found other means to super stardom or you're happy. When you found out, you were gonna, go to the girl, temperature out. I knew I wasn't going to go to the gas chamber cuz I hadn't done anything wrong Charles Manson, talking to Tom Snyder, the NBC late Night programme. The tomorrow show in nineteen eighty one his appearance, enormous ratings Vanessa yeah. If a murderer commit

murder, because he or she wants attention from other people or the media, and this podcast is media think about murderers. Are we part the problem? There is a constant debate in how to murders as well as suicide, so as not to inspire others. This includes avoiding romanticized language when covering the deaths not publishing killers fast, those websites or videos and in some cases not even releasing killers, names or photographs, but all that still happens right and sometimes It is necessary, for example, if a suspect is at large and a danger to others. Authorities will media outlets to help circulate his or her name and image. For our part, we are not here. Honor celebrate Paul, John Knolls or anyone like him. Quite the opposite. We hope that in the retelling at these events, that our list There's learn the commonalities, dangers and warning signs associated with serial killers. Hopefully

have a reason to employ that knowledge, but but someday we might. We literally never know now the child, seeking attention fit into the profile of a serial killer on its own. It doesn't, and if a child is obsessed with infamous, Outlaw laws and boast that he will be a well known bad guy one day it could be a run of the mill cops him robbers, kid stuff. However, we also to take into account knolls explosive fits of rage, and then a more serious pattern emerged when there was escalation in his behaviour, which is what with knolls in March of nineteen. Sixty five knows was nineteen when he added a new crime to his repertoire kidnapping. It was a light that started like others for stolen car Except this time, when the officer pull them over knows manage to grab the office his gun and took him hostage knows

release the office or two hours later without incident. This would be the first time he disarmed and kidnapped a police officer, while police obviously trained to prevent situations like that. Sometimes suspects get the better of them through brain their broad, maybe both in one instance knolls had a sawed off shotgun that he pulled on the officer. While the officer approached the car in another knows picked the lock on his handcuffs and tried to grab the bolstered firearm, the unsuspecting sheriff who was transporting him there's not much detail about the nineteen sixty five kidnapping, except that knolls was able to get to the officers site arm before the officer could stop him I would he suddenly do something so much worse than petty theft, he'd committed it regularly throughout its entire life. What would inspire the drastic change? remember knows how to disdain for authority and idolized outlaws John DOE. Your didn't become public enemy number one by playing nice with police, also for

some criminals. Institutionalization is like going to school for crime, the more time they spend in lock up the worst. Their subsequent offences are so if floor school for boys aren't the equivalent of say, high school level diploma in petty crime, then kidnapping a police officer allowed him to graduate into a life of more serious offences, considered his entrance accept her rayford prison located two and a half hours north of Orlando Rayford now known as union Correctional institution has held up the serial killers like TED Bundy and Eileen, warn us Leonard Skinner wrote a song about it

four walls are referred. Will them was re blows me do in fact hard labor for behind and weighed the ten every time. I thought bad luck that's more from nineteen sixty five until his death knows, would spend around six months of every year in jail. This too, come in for some criminals risk if ism rates in the american justice system are extremely high within just three years of their release. Roughly sixty eight percent of prisoners are arrested again within five years. That number grows to over three quarters of released prisoners, however, when it comes to Prague, the offenders meaning breaking and entering or larceny they exhibit the highest recidivism rate.

Any subset more than eighty percent of those prisoners returned to jail. What are the causes of this handful of factors? For example, if someone turned to crime because they couldn't or wouldn't get a job to make money and there, or afford food and shelter, and they return to the same situation. They were ran before they were sent to prison. It might be very easy for them. To also revert to a life of crime. In north case, it seems to have had something to do with his social, sir. We each shabby was released. He reunited with the same group of friends and drinking bodies before long he'd get locked up again, The cycle that was similar to what he did as a kid when he would miss behave with authority figures, get attention from his friend and then misbehave again to get more attention during this period of his life, a few Man says it would have a significant impact on those life knows, earned his nickname the casino. Killer in the press because he used his good, looks and charm to convince women. He wasn't a danger. What was less reported

was that this is also true of his mail victims. He met two of them in gay bars. It's not if knolls identified as homosexual or bisexual knolls, biographer Jack Smith alleges he had several relationships with men, while at Rayford Psmith, also This is why no sometimes struggled with impotence with his female victims, which I suppose suggested those was actually gay. But when you look at what we know, This romantic history, it's difficult to make any definitive options about how we identified sexually or where he fell on the Kinsey scale. What we can for sure, is that in many regards, gender was not a disqualifying factor for knolls, when jail. He maintained relationships with two women. The first was Jackie night knows: almost embark on an entirely different path with night, one that would have given him a family with three children and would have saved eighteen lives

during one of his brief times out of prison knows met Jackie night in a bar and made friends with her and her husband nose like their three children and spend a lot of time with the family, even taking the children to local. Fares and winning prizes for them, but before long knolls violated his parole and went back to jail while he was in cars Jackie night visited in wrote letters. Then she got divorced. Later knolls grew closer, eventually no sent lightest special request in writing. He asked her to marry him. Maybe he meant it. Or maybe this again was away to be the centre of someone's attention by marrying Jackie, he would be the head of a family he already had a good relationship with her and the kids you wouldn't have just a car kidnap, a cop to impress them. He just have to come home every night, was released on, may tenth lighting. Seventy and Jackie and Paul Knolls got married. He sought a real job.

Which is not always easy for ex cons. Many employers won't higher felons before long Rules was back hanging out with his old buddies. The one too and to have a negative impact on his behaviour and ass. He fell back Two old habits thinks fell apart with Jackie she moved to make in Georgia. Roughly five hours from Orlando, but just under two hours from Atlanta afraid you Vanessa an inmate Georgia. She had their marriage and old. Though, as will see in the next episode, they left off and decent terms and knows, would visit the night family in making repeatedly over the next few years in eighteen, seventy two knolls committed yet another kind of crime that would become a defining, or of his later spree escape, but not like a Houdini escape, but not yet at least before long, he would prove he knew how to pick a lock and twice. He would use that skill to escape custody

but a nineteen seventy two a year after being picked up for burglary. Those was given furlough privileges, far listeners, you dont, know, furlough programmes in prisons allow eligible prisoners to be released for short periods like over a weekend, so that they can look for work or slowly re enter their community. These programs have at times proven to be successful, but prisoners do take advantage of them, as was the case with Knowles, key simply didn't return. One day he was on the land for three weeks before police finally found him. He did not go down, easy knows fought with police attend to recapture em and earned an additional three years on his sentence, and he did with any other and made would do he fell in love again. He wasn't all the Casanova killer for nothing. But he hadn't even started killing. Yet according to

all John Knolls. At least it was this next woman who came into his life, who you could say inspired him to kill, will return to our story in just a moment. And now, back to the story, How does a man locked away for three years, who is definitely not gonna, be granted for low privileges again even meet a woman to fall in love with American Astrology magazine knows lighters, horoscopes, a good out. Look would leave him feeling upbeat happy a negative one would sour his mood so how much value can you put on a horoscope of their only is accurate or inaccurate, as you want them to be meaning? What tends to happen with horoscopes is that we focus on confirms the things we already believe about ourselves. So if you're Horoscope says you're going to have a good day, you look at all the good thing is you already have going for you and apply them to your horoscope it'll, be a form of positive reinforcement. About already makes you feel positive and of yours go born of a crummy day, Europe,

We're going to look at the crummy things about your life and applied that Dear Horoscope, instead so negative reinforcement for what ready makes you feel negative Zactly around this time, knolls described himself. Ass quote angry and aimless. He was in and out of jail and had just been divorced. If he was reading his horoscopes to look for some kind of guidance in his life, then it makes sense. His moods would be so changeable. Depending on what the horse go predicted. Angela convicts mother was a well known, psychic and knows read about Angela in american strategy, so he a letter and she liked his handwriting and wrote him back alive, distance romance grew. His criminal pass didn't deter Kovac, her first has been had one as well. In fact, she called your new bow mad dog knolls. He called her my Yiddish, your angel, there is some debate over how genuine his feelings were for her, maybe really loved Kovac or maybe you founder and easy mark when that would help him

out of prison once and for all. That's true. He worked really hard for it. After a long correspondence, Angela came to visit him in prison. He immediately propose marriage, but first he'd have to get out of jail. That would not be easy he was a repeat offender with a history of trying to escape and he had been the same exact position before his past actions were not a good indicator that he would honour. The terms of a apparel one thing that would be different. He wasn't going back to Jacksonville instead, he was gonna move to San Francisco to be with Angela, meaning He would not go back to that circle of friends who had been a bad influence on him for so long here into higher. Diploma and started taking college courses, and he thought he could get. Job ass, a sign painter like he said before

I've been angry and aimless. Now he wanted to change his life for real this time and abandon his old ways. He was committed to the pursuit of self perfection. Do you really did identify with Jonathan Livingston Seagull, the outcast, who became a better version of itself for now Kovac found knows a lawyer in Miami Sheldon. Yachats he's one of the final play so. We need to meet because, as will learn at our next episode job, it's would events be in possession of a significant piece of evidence that would incriminate knolls and potentially immortalizing. So what do we know about? Yeah? That's well Sheldon, the abbots had several questionable clients. Drugs, petty theft of that sort of ilk, usually got them off on a technic. Quality knolls with proved to be an entirely different kind of client for him to handle his own a turn. Inventor was Alice. Reuben Florida lawyer, who

also had a colorful history of unusual cases. Jurors did their job as they side, but I think that they could not help but be influenced by the fact that, during the the name Spider man was quote inadvertently on full uttered by one of the states witnesses. One of elite detectives in the case at its actual audio of Alice Reuben, discussing the conviction of a client nicknamed spider man who had robbed enough of luxury high rise apartments, he was also in in cases of a celebrities like Sylvester, Stallone, Watergate, burglar, Frank, Sturgis, ants serial killer Bobby Joe long as well next week: Reuben would have to defend, Paul John Knolls, an shielding outlets in Georgia that still a few months away now, you're right, you have it's got the job done and on May fourteenth night Seventy four knolls walked out of prison early,

before knolls arrived in San Francisco, Kovac visited a psychic who warned her there dangerous man was coming into our life after he'd, been in San Francisco for a week, Kovac and models that she wasn't going to go through with the wedding. Instead, she was getting back together with her ex husband at the pointed nor I thought he'd finally got off the ground and found peace and a way to improve his life and leave the troubles of his youth behind at the point he was flying the highest he'd ever flown. He got knocked back down and so knolls murdered three people, the same night. She dumped him well escalated quit, or so he claimed, authorities eventually confirmed that knows, did commit eighteen murders. He took credit for thirty five, including three in San Francisco the evening Angela Kovac dumped him but there's no evidence whatsoever of this actually happening. This inflation of his victim countless

of course, away to bolster his fame from the killings far as anyone living is aware knows. First murder came two months later July: twenty six nineteen. Seventy four following his rejection knows, returned Jacksonville about two and a half hours from Orlando. That night he went on a bender. He got in a fight, stabbed about and wound up in jail, he picked. The lock of his cell had escaped second successful escape from police. If you count the early time when he kidnapped the officer, Looking for money in a car on those broke into the home of a sixty five year old school teacher, Alice Curtis, he probably cut screen of a window and broke it, waking her he bound and gagged Curtis Nobody is sure the exact order of what happened next and if knolls was aware of it. Well, the gag loosened courtesies dentures and she choked them. If knows, was

with her when it happened and knew he failed to help her. Instead, he stood and watched ass. She choked death. So did he know maybe say he didn't any left the house before she died. Eventually, he may have seen news coverage on Curtis is death. He collected news clippings of his later murders, which he probably to bolster his own sense of fame. So he made then, if side information about her, he also would have now. As someone who already had a record that included kidnapping a police officer and stabbing about sir, he didn't stand a chance in the courts. Will you good if it was an accident? He caused it. He probably be charged with murder or at the very best manslaughter. This event marks. Ass, Dick shift, in knows from small time, crook too, big time murder. He knew he was going oil or worse, the electric chair, which was one of the few things that actually scared knolls, and so he had a choice. Let himself be arrested and die forgotten in prison.

Or he could become one of those famous outlaws. He always wanted to be when he grew up north took off Alice criticism: nineteen, seventy one, yellow dodged demon, sporty old so car with a small demon detail in the rear five days later. He'd meat is next to victims again in Jacksonville Florida over the next few months. Paul John Knolls would kill as far West is Nevada far north, as Connecticut he'd. Finally, get exactly I always wanted he'd be a big famous bad guy, the next in storm, at a serial killers, the Casanova killers four month, killing spree across the United States that confuse police and captivated the public will dig deep into the eighteen known victims of Paul John knows as well as

for known survivors to try to understand his motivations behind the different embryos he exhibited, as well as try to figure why he spared some of his victims. Thank you for that need, a serial killers, if you enjoy Zeppa. So please tell your friends: don't forget to subscribe to serial killers on Itunes of Google play some cloud stitches Spotify or any other podcast directory or through website, Parkhurst, dot com, that's, r c s, T Dotcom, a new weapon, motive serial killers comes out every Monday. Let us know what you think enjoy The conversation on our part as Facebook page you can tweet us at PAR cast network, p r c s, T network have a killer, weak serial killers was created by MAX Cutler and developed by IRAN. Cutler is production of Cutler media and is part of the park hast network. It is produced by MAX

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