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“The Kansas City Butcher” Robert Berdella Pt. 1


Inspired by a 1965 horror film called The Collector, Robert Berdella harbored dark fantasies about abuse and control. As a college student, he acted out his sadism on animals, and later, in the early ‘80s, on a teenager named Jerry Howell.

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Due to the graphic nature of this killers crimes listener discretion is advised this bestowed includes discussions of child abuse, actual assault, drug and alcohol abuse, animal abuse and death torture. and murder that some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for children under thirteen in the summer of nineteen sixty five. Thirteen year old, Robert per Della setting a theatre in his home town of Cuyahoga falls Ohio, in forward as the horror films the collector unfolded before him. He was captivated The movie was about a disturbed young man who kidnapped a beautiful woman to keep captive in his basement. He want, his prisoner to fall in love with him, but despite his bed
stuff efforts, he's unable to control her after a failed escape attempt. The woman is killed. Then the young man, instead of learning any type of lesson, focus attention on another woman, hoping for a better luck with her Robert watch the film in utter fascination, and desire he want. To be like the man in the movie. The idea of having his own captive somebody completely under his control gave him a thrill- he didn't realize it at the time, but that movie changed everything. Hi, I'm Gregg pulsing. This is serial killers aside, if I originally from park, asked never
episode. We dive into the minds and madness of serial killers today will delve into the insidious mind of Robert Cardella, also known as the collector and the Kansas City butcher with my co host Vanessa Richardson high everyone, you can find episodes of serial killers and all other Spotify originals from par cast for free on Spotify or ever you listen to podcast today. Will cover Upper, produces transformation from well behaved catholic schoolboy to a young man obsessed with the idea of controlling another person next time will explore Roberts horrific four year killing spree and reveal just how he eventually was finally caught. we ve, got all that and more coming up stay with us before Listen to the next page cast. How about a trip outside your comfort zone based a bang. Can you nearing mountain biking, or maybe just outside your house.
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occasionally people find there dark sense of power in the darkest up, Places for some, a lack of control over their own life sends them searching for it in different ways. Dominance over others try as they might to repress the desire for absolute dominion over something it concerns are below the surface ready to boil over at any moment, but that split longing doesn't come from nowhere. desires, can be traced back to a seed, one that was usually planted in childhood. A little south of Cleveland, Ohio sits the large supper above Cuyahoga falls. It was there that Probert Bordello Junior was born in nineteen forty nine, his pair Alison Robert Senior were devoted Catholics who immediately introduce their son into their fate life The bird Della household consisted of three things: strict here and to the rules high exe invitations
tending mass regularly if Robert the bide by any of those his father, reminded him with a leather belt, so Robert, was always well behaved, but he learned quickly keep to himself at home. It was just easier to avoid as fathers attention unfortunately, Robert didn't find solace at school. Here a bit of a loner acute away, Dick rimmed glasses. Since he was five and battled a slight list. The combination made him fodder for his classmates and they bullied him mercilessly because of that Robert didn't make any friends. He could never push the bullying to find his own path. Let alone participate in any sort of social activity. He chose, isolation. Instead, growing more and more detached as the years went on, Vanessa is going to take over on the psychology here and throughout the episode. As a note, it is not a licence psychologist your psychiatrist, but she,
has done a lot of research for the show. Thanks Greg the bullying Robert endured was one of the major influences on his developing self esteem. According to dumb Frederick Rivera and Doktor Suzanne, luminous drought being bullied, makes young people incredibly and secure and constantly on guard it even back some when there are no police around just the mere fact that might happen is enough to keep a kid on edge that has big impact on a young child, both mentally and emotionally. kids, who are bullied start to feel unacceptable related. Angry and withdrawn like Robert they, touch themselves from the situation because it seems like the easier way out, but this can lead was stunted emotional and mental state, because they're not engaging with their peers, perhaps even actively avoiding them don't established the friendships that would help their development in short,
Albert, never learned how to interact socially while at school He was home. His parents didn't help bridge the gap after all Roberts Father was a bully in its own right, life for Robert only got worse once his parents came home with his younger brother. Don't you Cardella was born when Robert was seven. Despite the bigger difference. Robert We assume that having a younger brother meant that he instantly got a best friend, but that The case at all stood as the boys grew up, they were reportedly often pitted against each other by their father. It was constant competition and time and time again, Daniel. came out on top bird was always the more quiet of the two located liked are, more than sports. He was smarter than most of his classmates, but that just end making it even more isolated. Daniel became their fathers. Clear, favorite rob
grew resentful, but he never voiced those feelings. He knew that if he ever stepped out of line or spoke out of turn his father's belt awaited, the rules were meant to be followed and respect was to be given body Robert got older. It became harder for him to abide by his father's strict standards. Not because of how we acted who, but because of who he was at some point during his teenage years, Robert realised that he was gay. It was for helping to acknowledge particular because he knew that he could never share that truth with his parents as devout com black Sea believe they would never accept him. So repressed sexuality or at least I too, but in doing so, Robert felt slew of emotions risk it meant for having to hide who he was shame. For not being who his parents wanted and fear that at any moment, some one might find him out. He felt
entirely out of control and he hated that and then life sent him another curveball, one that he had zero power over in nineteenth five Roberts Father died of a heart attack. He was we thirty nine sixteen year old, Robert was wrecked by his father's sudden death, despite their complicated relationship he still loved his father. He didn't oh, how he was supposed to move on how he was both to even makes sense of the world and the other authority figure in his life seemed to feel very differently. Robber mother, Alice remarried only a few months after Robert seniors, death, I couldn't believe it too, it seemed like his father's body wasn't even called yet, and his mom had already moved on how why his belief curdled into outright anger. He referred is to acknowledge his new step father and now he
couldn't stand his mother, his rage filled all consuming and away he'd never experienced before King he shouldn't feel that way, but he couldn't help it in desperation, he turned to the Bible, hoping that is this religion might bring a measure of peace, but nothing Catholicism could offer made him feel any better he tried other religions to he read extensively, searching for guidance to his grief away. To fix himself no matter how much doctrine he read, Robert just couldn't find what he was searching for. He was overwhelmed Robber decided to focus on his job as a productive outlet. He worked Our time is a line could get a local restaurant, so he could make his own money without, depending on his mom and step Father, it was decent enough job typical for us Sixteen Year old boy, but ah
changed when Robert found himself one on one with a male coworker in a back room without any witnesses them, sexually assaulted Robert we don't know, much about Roberts, immediate reaction or how process, this traumatic event, which is believed to be his first ever sexual encounter. How based on what we know about the psychological effects of sexual assault in general. We can assume that this wasn't easy for him. According to the Washington coalition of sexual assault programmes, survivors can experience a wide range of debilitating feelings, such as shame, guilt or anger to do with those emotions, they often tap into coping methods like denial or minimization. Unfortunately, much like today. That means that sexual assaults often go unreported. Hunting sixties Robert had two additional taboos working against him for
He was a man and therefore a sexual assaults. Weren't quota unquote supposed to happen to him second, he was gay, which he couldn't admit. So he never Where did the attack not even to his family, between death of his father and the sexual assault rob started spiralling he stopped attending mass, abandoning religion altogether, he'd law We all hope that a high power could save him from his miserable life, and so became even more withdrawn ever wrapper, did find comfort in the most unlikely of places. A nineteen sixty five horror, film called the collector The film was about a man who kidnaps a woman, older captive and his basement and tries to four. Sir, to love him alter but the man kills the woman and begins the process anew the film struck a chord with Robert. He found him
thinking about it constantly even dreaming about what it would be like to do such a thing himself. He envied protagonist for his sense of control to overpower another human but he knew we couldn't actually kidnap anyone who so even though we sometimes fantasized about playing out the events of the movie in his own life. He met ideas slowly fade away. Instead Robert got on with his life and tried to change it in a better way in nineteen sixty seven. He graduated from high school and moved away from his mom and stepfather he made his way West landing in Kansas City Missouri, where he enrolled in the art institute in the way, If his father's death Robert had quaintly turned to art, has a coping mechanism, when religion failed to give him what he desired, Dover little deeper into art. So after and rolling in the art institute. He thought he might make a good art professor Robert.
teachers were immediately impressed, they found him the talented, hardworking student. It appeared that Robert had I'm just calling Fortunately, Robert got distracted from his studies with his. Found freedom. Robert started experimenting with drugs, marijuana, lsd and amphetamines, the works and witches horse got him into trouble In early nineteen, sixty eight nineteen year old Robert was arrested for selling amphetamines to an undercover agent. although we manage to avoid any jail time. He didn't learn a lesson less than a month later. He was arrested again this time, for possession of lsd and marijuana he spent five days in jail, but was released due to a lack of evidence. After that, Robert his head down likely hoping to avoid more trouble with the law that didn't mean his interest in drugs, waned instead
it just shifted. Somehow, I got it in his head, but he should experiment to see how certain drugs affected animals We decided that the best placed to hold these experiments was in one of his classes. He had slowly become that guy amongst his peers. The wheel. Disturbing student to push things way too far, except raw. Bert was, on a whole other level, Robert COM, everything he did was in the name of art, but started experimenting on live animals in the classroom. His fell students weren't having it. according to Arthur Jack Rosewood. During this period, Roberts fantasies towards torture began to increase and he wanted, who experiment for one class He decapitated alive duck in another. He killed a chicken the straw that broke the camel's back was when Robert injected various sedatives and drugs into a dog trying to gauge,
reactions. The dongle they died which didn't set too well, but the school board in December, nineteen sixty nine. In the middle of his junior year, Robert was forced the institute at First Robert was likely ashamed of what he had done. He wished could take it back then the shame reverted to anger, just like it had after his father's death. He shifted the blame. It wasn't his fault that the school board didn't understand his art. The fault was theirs. Robert stormed away from the cap is that day unsure of where he was headed here. plan, no home, no job, he felt powerless and he hated the world from making and feel that way. It's possible that in his anger his fantasies of dominating and torturing another human being resurfaced. The
idea of such total control would have been alluring. Just then Bert didn't seem to have any control, but he could change that he wouldn't be shamed or bullied any longer. He be the one with the power coming up robber, meets his first victim, you discover their practices, seek their advice, and let yourself become more vulnerable than ever before. They have the ability, to heal what doctors can't or so They say listeners be shorter, check out the special for part series on miracle healers airing right now, I'm cults meat, figures from around the world who claimed powers and pushed remedies, but harboured more sinister intentions, you don't want to miss it and if you he for more episodes. On the most radical and deadly people in history tune into cults ever Tuesday. As we explore the back
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to a new neighbourhood in Kansas City and used his savings to buy a two and a half story. Home where's t mostly kept himself he'd offer a free. we smile or way does he passed papers but like it, school days. Robert didn't really socialize it was a long term effect of his childhood bullying. He didn't how to socialize with his neighbours, because he had never learned those skills with other children. However, he did try. Invention Robert branched out and got involved in the community, including neighbourhood watch programme he went. Patrols with his fellow residents keeping the street safe. He was thirdly, the life of the group, but he realized not. Everyone was as bad as schoolyard bullies and in turn, and his neighbors started to like him too. Robert also started to work on his career using his years of experience as a line cook. He got a job as a chef he worked at some
spectable restaurants, around Kansas City and built up a solid reputation, Then, a few years he even Joint Shouts association so that he could train students at a local college, but Despite gaining success as a Cook Roberts, through passion was still art. The art institute may have pushed him out, but he think his career in the field was over, there were plenty of avenues for him to explore. some point in the nineteen seventies Robert started collecting Arden antiques at first it was a way to fulfil his long time, passion but eventually evolved into a lucrative site, hustle that brought in a decent income before long. He wanted to follow is blissful time so we nineteen eighty one thirty two year old Robert quit his job as a chef came a self employed art dealer Robert rented, a booth at the Westport flea market and called it Bob
is bizarre bizarre. He sold all sorts of antiques, jewelry occult items even shrunken heads. He never made enough money to turn his bizarre into a successful business, but he managed to make ends meet one way or another while Roberts professional life steadied out his personal I've only got rock here you don't know a lot about roberts relationship to sexuality at this time, but it seems that Robert was openly gay by his mid twenties. However, details about any relationships or sexual encounters. During this time, our little fuzzy nineteen eighty two about a year after opening the bizarre robber, began his first serious relationship with a man. We don't know much about his partner, except that his experience fighting in the Vietnam WAR reportedly left him emotionally and psychologically unstable based on this information, it's possible that the relationship was rocky from the outset. Still away
ended. There was another blow to Roberts, already fragile state in the way of the break up, Robert tried to do what he always did, down his feelings. He went back to focus on his business, but he just couldn't I'm thinking about what he had lost Robert craved company, he had got. for a short period with his partner and after that reef taste. He knew we didn't want to be alone anymore, but Rob struggle to find someone here an eccentric man with an odd business oh that he wasn't conventionally attractive, so when he couldn't find someone on his own, he turned to the cities sex workers. He wanted to be sexually satisfied and paying, for it was the only way he could accomplish that, but he resented every minute of it. He did like having to pay for passion he wanted for real it was that old. Shame resurfacing it they're all his life, but he was too
To being ashamed of himself and with feeling of shame came the return of the rage inside Still Robert seem determined to justify its actions to himself. He turned to young lost man, sex workers, drug addicts, runaways and took them under his wing. He tried to inspire them to get their lives back on track. He was helping them. He believed it was an error of charity, but of course, Roberts, more selfish and darker motivations were coming into play. He invited some of the young many met to live with him. Rent free in extra for help with housework. What once they were living with him. Robert started asking or pressuring for sexual favours We wanted to control these young men according to forensic psychologist Catherine Rams, lend the knee
to possess and abuse people in this way signals a week or inadequate personality, even though Robert thought that he was benefiting these young man, he was really just using them to feel powerful, fantasies were coming back into play here, to dominate them. Torture them keep them captive, likened the collector. He was acting on those impulses yet, but he was thinking about them, whether or not he ever verbal eyes. These feelings to his house guests. The relationships never lasted long lament blue in and out of Roberts life without much consequence, but some made more of an impression Robert first met Jerry Howl when Jerry was fourteen Jerry father Paul had a booth at the flea market where Robert worked right away, Jerry was fascinated with Robert. He download the older man's exotic back stories for the antiques he sold,
Jerry was also intrigue by Roberts, open sexuality, Jerry was gay and as you does lay teenage years. He started making money as a sex worker when Albert discovered this. He was much more interested in Jerry The start of nineteen. Eighty four, when Jerry was nineteen years old, the two spending a lot of time together that do sit well with Jerry's. Father Paul had heard rumours about Roberts relationships with other young men in the city, and he didn't want that for his own son, he openly threatened both Robert and Jerry, trying to dissuade them from spending any more time together. the warning was ignored. All was right to be worried behind closed doors, Roberts, dark fantasies of overpowering. Another person were simmering dangerously close to the surface, he's Thinking about what it would look like to actually live out, some of them a battle raged within Robert, but he might, which suppresses impulses for a time,
stirred he focused on being sexually satisfied and for a while Jerry was able to give Robert what he needed, they began some sort of a sexual relationship. Although the frequency of their encounters is unclear. However, after a few months, the relationship took a turn around early nineteen, eighty four jerry got into a bit of legal trouble. Robber gave some advice and even help cover his costs of Robert assume that Jerry would pay him back budget had no intention of repaying the debt, as Harry continuously dodged, paying Robert back the rage inside Robert became too much to hold back it felt like Jerry was trying to turn their established power dynamic on its head and Robert wasn't going to let this young boy control him. No Robert was ready to take the power back. coming up bra
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term supply. Now back to the story. In nineteen eighty four thirty five year old, Robert Bardell, I started spending a lot of time with nineteen year old sex worker, Jerry Howl, the to work close friends and occasional sexual partners, but the relationships soured when Jerry refused to pay Robert back for some legal bills, every time a bird quarter Jerry about the money, the teenager d, did the questions. Ass time went on. It became clear to Robert than Jerry had no intention of paying him back robber, was upset. He didn't like the Jerry seem to be the one in control of their relationship. It made him angry and resentful for years. He had kept his rage and check, but
It seems that all his pent up feelings were just looking for a reason to break free and Jerry gave him that excuse whether the money was the sole thing that said Robert off, we can't be sure, It is clear that things escalated quickly from there. On July, fifth, nineteen, eighty four Robert Pick Jerry up so that they could hang out display The tension over the money, Jerry didn't seem to suspect that his friend would actually be violent. After all to him, Robert was just the weird but friendly guy from the flea market. He'd. Never shown any signs of being dangerous So Jerry happily went back to Roberts House with him there According to author Jack Rosewood, the two smoked and drank for a couple of hours, just like normal, but then rubber, made in advance on cherry. He want. To have sex.
Jerry refused, as far as we can tell Jerry, had been avoiding sex with Robert for a while now even for the money dispute bingo laughed enraged. Robert he'd gone out of his way to help this young kid. In his eyes, Jerry owed him, who was this punk to take his money and deny him sex For years, Robert had assumed that all the young men who we helped out would provide an with sexual favours in return. It was part of the deal their spoken are not, and now Jerry was changing the rules but Bert, wasn't going to take no for an answer. He was dead. and to get what he wanted one way or another. When Jerry resisted again Robert made the decision to drug him. not clear whether this was the plan all along or if the
idea, came to him suddenly either way he was prepared for years, Robert dabbled in breeding chow dogs. During that time he accumulated as dash of tranquilizers. Then this must have seemed like the perfect opportunity to try them out on a human, a bizarre twisted reversal of the experiments that saw Robert thrown out of school years earlier. While his guest was distracted, Robert loaded up a syringe, then he stabbed the needle into Jerry. Within minutes. The young man was out cold in moments. He went from friend to prisoner Robert wasted, no time he Strip Jerry, naked and bound him to the bed ass. He did this. He revelled in the idea that has darkest fantasy was coming true. Fine. when he had his own personal captive. Though it seems easy to dismiss the collectors influenced on Robert. It, like
who played a serious role in cementing his fantasies them itself didn't cause him to commit any crimes, but he wants did at a very formative time in his life. Not only had he just lost the strongest authority figure in his life. He had so recently lived through a sexual assault and perhaps the movie inspired fantasies that acted as a way to deal with the trauma Chris psychologists. Eric Hickey suggests that such fantasies of torture and murder actually serve as coping mechanisms is entirely possible that this is what happened here, though it took him years to act upon them. Those fantasies had been with Robert, since he was sixteen and after years of fighting, urges he knew were wrong. Robber just stop fighting with his victim unconscious and restrained Robert you'd think he'd only ever dreamed about even used household objects to act out. His darker desires on his captive still, despite the
tense violence. It seemed that Robert had no clear intention of killing Jerry. According to rosewood, the torture was more about Roberts quote fascination with the amount of pain he could inflict here. Spurred on by Jerry's, fear and helplessness. In short, he looks, His sadistic impulses take control at last, but it seems he didn't like being confronted with the complete reality of his fantasy whenever Jerry was lucid enough to beg for his freedom Bert sedated and once more, then he waited for his friend to be unconscious again for resuming the assault Continued like this. Through the night, the next day, however, Robert knew that he needed to act as if everything were normal, so he made sure Jerry was well drugged and went to work
at the flea market, whose did work was rather uneventful. Business such as it was as usual. However, with every passing our grew more and more excited. He couldn't wait to get back home, and continuous assault on Jerry Robert had completely given over to a sadistic side. The time apart from Jerry, didn't make him question what he was doing or back off. Instead, it only seemed to make a more certain that this was what he wanted. He even closed the shop a little early so that he could get back home sooner even returned with new ideas on how to cause Jerry agony. Despite Already being sedated robber decided to inject Jerry with some more to real, keep em subdued, it seems that Robert wonders victim more docile to make things easier for himself because now he wanted to document his process. He committed each heinous acts. Robert rope,
notes about the time method position, and he photographs on his Polaroid. These both mementoes and a manifestation of his desire for control. By keeping detailed log of what he was doing. He maintained a sense of order, one that he could refer back to as he saw fit. Unfortunately, Robert pushed his torture too far ten p m on July six Jerry's bond went limp. Twenty four where's have consisted. Assault and sedation stopped his heart As soon as Robert realised what had happened. He tried CPR after he didn't want to lose his captive. He didn't want. is fun to end it was too late. Jerry was dead either from choking on his own vomit or overdosing on tranquilizers disappear.
We did Robert considered for a moment what he was going to do with the body. It did take him long to come up with a grisly, methodical plan. He dragged Jerry's body down into the basement, worry strong, em up from the ceiling. Then he grabbed a cooking pot and his knives from the kitchen. He position the pot right under the hanging body and then got to work
like a man working at a slaughterhouse Robert made incisions to drain the blood from the corpse we don't know like twelve Robert to dispose of the corpse in such a horrific way like something out of his own personal for film, but he was always a man who sought order, so it's possible. He just thought it was the most efficient method. He let the body hang their overnight, allowing the blood to pull in the pot. The next evening, robber returned with a chainsaw with the body completely drained of blood. Robert went to work dismembering it. He cut it into pieces that could easily fit into dog food bags. Then, them individually and put them into larger black trash bags? On the next garbage day, Robert left the bags out on the street to be thrown into the back of the collection truck, which they were no once
did a thing and, as municipal employs carried away the evidence of what he done, the gears were turning in Roberts, mind for years, he'd fantasized about living out a real life version of the collector. But you know he's held back out of fear and shame. Now that He had done at once and gotten away with it. Those emotions felt like pointless roadblocks, he crave the feeling he had had while torturing Jerry. He wanted that power that control and now that he had experienced it. It was like a drug. All he could do was think about how soon he could do it again. Thanks again for turning into serial killers, we'll be back soon with part two of Robert Bordello story in the EP: Math of his first murder, Robert, was dead
spread for his next fix and the body count was set to rise, like in any horror movie. There's always someone who lives to tell the tale and this case that survivor was Roberts undoing you can find all episodes of serial killers and all other Spotify originals from par cast for free on Spotify will see you next time have a killer, weak. serial killers as a spot. A fire regional from PAR cast executive producers include MAX and Wrong Cutler Sound designed by Michael Motion with production assistance by IRAN, Shapiro Carly, Madden and Bruce Ghetto bitch. Episode of serial killers was written by Alex Burns with writing assistance by Jo Gara and Jewel Callin faction, king by on your barely and research by Brian Petrus and Chelsea, would see.
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