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S3 Ep. 1: Against the World


On the first episode of Slow Burn’s third season: How a violent robbery severed Tupac’s friendship with Biggie Smalls and sparked a bicoastal beef that consumed the world of hip-hop.

In November 1994, while on trial for sexual abuse, Tupac Shakur is shot five times in a New York recording studio. In the aftermath, he starts to suspect that his erstwhile friend Christopher Wallace, better known as Biggie Smalls, might be involved. It was the start of a beef that would consume the world of hip-hop and end with both men dead.

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This part has language that some people might find offensive. It was November, twenty nine nineteen, eighty four and to practically was in trouble. It was on trial for sexual abuse, sodomy in weapons, possession a what and had accused him of setting her up to be raped and his New York Hotel room The jury started deliberating that morning, Tupac with face the possibility of a long prison sentence his career was already suffering he The movie row, Anna Guess, but on a tv series in his bills, were piling up to pack need cash during the trial. Here, been his evenings going from one recording studio to another. He was true Europe is way on a financial ruin, easy be with the producer from Brooklyn. He was in the studio with to back a lot of those nice visible, six p m six o clock.
Everyday, so what he would do if he would go to court by day and six? P M shop boom. He passed the door. A bundle of energy YO yo- we don't do this tomorrow is eyes, talk a roof ass. He was a bundle of energy or just the really really keep up with him, on the night of November, twenty ninth two parts first session was withdrawn g. A local mix tape dj this was for free Tupac was hoping a hot first keep his music coming out a bone boxes, even if he got locked up the neck. Action was for money to park was cutting a tree with low shot, a rapper whose biggest hit to that point was Hickey on your chest This collaboration wasn't gonna, get to pay back on top of the charts, but it would earn him seven thousand dollars. The session was a cloud recording studio in Times Square Claude was busy Spot s W mob, deep endeavour.
Also recording that night and so was junior mafia. The rap groups dieback Christopher Wallis, better known as the notorious b. Had she Biggie was in the studio, along with shine, puffy combs, the head of his record label, the super approach to building with three friends. They heard a voice from eight stories above sees, as I feel that, as I too pop wouldn't three. Does she got over a member of junior mafia, ambiguous childhood friends? he low sees, who was also in the group, were taken away. On the balcony, smokin, blunts and dump and cups of water on passers by a few years before she could have been the one to convince bigoted, get off the stoop and onto the blackened Bedford, Stuyvesant. Physically Chico time Biggie into a small town crack dealer. We gave biggie confidence, pocket money and street credibility will bid, became a richer famous wrapper. He returned favor by making Chico a member junior mafia. That's out. She go found himself at the quad that night recording songs for the groups. First, album
Anglo to power, you may so we all granted a bug. You look over there, but I loved park, your party vocal about Yahoo Outta and we, like lots of bodily, came to Power It seems like yours, then see that we obviously do not abide by new phase that will stop Montenegro. We butte we copy term from the balcony she considered to back a friend you can hear, And his voice, the same thing was true of the rest of Biggie circle. They looked up to two. They will, then, when you visited Brooklyn so monsieur, you'll on a corner seats calm down, stairs and get you like your worship, Mondego, evil too happy to headed into the lobby, acquired studios, to see his friends and record of verse a few hours later. He d, the quad on a burning, his body, full a bullet holes. When I start a reporting on soup Christopher Biggie Wallace a few months ago. There was a lot of didn't know. About their relationship. Where went wrong
and how their murderous change the course Hiphop. But this moment on the gurney. This is one point The story than I thought I had locked out. There's this iconic. Maybe you ve seen it was taken that night outside quite studios to Pakistan stretcher with a big brace on his head and neck, any sticking up his middle finger. Dang grew everyone in everything. I always assumed he was flipping. The bird at the photographer did he was pissed off at the media for invading is privacy in this incredibly vulnerable moment, but she could do victim. Your head, IRAN to Buck was given the finger to Biggie and his crew to practice of the elderly. On the hospital bed. He was a mile, a look in on us, but his middle finger. Like fuck, you niggers to your right, you said Johnny goes on
Cambro, but why did Ebola him walk the other, but he looking at us against the wall and do you like he said fuck you niggars but the middle finger you and see the pitcher seen a pittance they go. I thought that was to to no doubt to us. She was telling me that this was it This was the moment when allies became enemies. I've seen them Oh, but I have seen that What else had I missed? What else I need to know to understand who biggie and Tupac where and how they both end up dead. This is slow burn season, three billion super, I'm your host, Joel Anderson The next eight episodes you hear about the creative lives and tragic deaths of two of her pups foundational talents from voices and angles. You ve never heard before
You hear about how friendship, God bad turned into a nationwide turf war, how lyrics about violence blurred into the real thing investigators have failed to solve the murders of true the twentieth centuries most important hardest. This episode, one. Against the world in ninety ninety four I've seen bound to become the brightest star Hiphop. It ever produced here, twenty three years old, charming and profit, and really handsome switch in an instant from poet to revolutionary to want to be thug, started, a movie would JANET Jackson and it Madonna at the same time, those closer to Tupac thought that he seemed doomed Easy Mo Bee wondered if Tupac was faded, defined trouble wherever he went
low, for whatever reason it seem like all. Like my parents died from the South to speak. Somebody lingo, but it seemed like the devil was on his trail to bark, was born in a conflict in nineteen, sixty nine his mother, a fanny in her husband, Lumumba, Abdul Secure, which were the twenty one, black panthers, charged with planning mix all over New York City pregnant and facing at three hundred year, prison sentence a thing: Should cord shows to represent our self in court of she had never finished high school me and twelve? Are the black panthers work waited on? May thirteenth nineteen Seventy one month later she gave birth to pack. Two bucks early years were hard after a faint divorced, membership, were she and Tupac, and his sister said: about from New York to Baltimore TIM in city in northern California, a faint became addicted to crack cocaine, family was homeless, for awhile
matter where they went to pack struggled to fit in skinny broke in an athletic to buck was never one of the cool kids He said even failed at selling weed but he was a reader and a thinker, and he saw himself as a survivor here is a nineteen eighty eight when he was a seventeen year old high school. My mother, really bad shouted at my father had better do and I had about you I love my shoulder. It ignores bear. I love, I feel I guess What we saw might and I'll be like nothing. Conveys me to fox artistic talent was obvious Baltimore he'd started acting and dancing and marine city. He wrote, poetry and said he wanted to perform Shakespeare. He got his first big break as a backup dancer with the Oakland RAP Group, digital underground things, move. After that in November nineteen anyone he released his first album typical. It's now a couple. Months later he started his first movie, Jews, he was twenty years old and Oliver
suddenly was famous both the album in the movie focused on the ills of the ghetto, broken institutions, poverty, police, brutality, his character and juice. Bishop. Was the kind of kid that sociologists and politicians were calling a super. Predator bishop was about teenager who loses himself in anger to circumstances and becomes a remorseless killer. Crazy, but you know what else give a fuck. I don't give a fuck about you, I don't give a fuck about steel and I'll get off. Talk about why either Talk about myself, the movie was just okay, but critic said to buck. Was netteke and convincingly psychotic in August nineteen. Eighty two while he was working on a second album to pocket. Back to Marine City for music festival. After the show he
four for photos and signed autographs. Then he got into argument with a bunch of people had grown up with report said. These o friends were angry that to pocket, insulted marinsky on YO him wraps, although that might- Just been a rumor, a gun came out, shots were fired, Six year old boy was killed by stray bullet, said the shooter had come to the festival with two back. But nobody was ever charged with the killing. Afraid is secure later scented. The boys death her tupac deep inside on his next out using an oddly, distorted voice to park, paid respected the Lane six zero and blame the shooting of people who envious of a success.
Remember that name cuz. All you Motherfukers will go to this way and get back name on your brain jealousy and recklessness not something of God that album was called strictly from undergoes most of it was an indignant response to two packs enemies and critics Tupac last out of the police, the media and vice president dank well. You hear more about their food on next episode, but the fact that the most attention sounded totally different from everything else. On album keep your head up was an end Original owed, the black women, the cot assigned the got plated. Virtue stances and cookouts a fainting appeared in the video it number, twelve on a billboard hot one hundred critics of hip hop, accuse wrapper. Glamorizing the mistreatment of women. Keep your head up. Take a hard look at that kind of message:
Yes, we all came from the one thing from power. The song was released as a single on October? Eighth, one thousand nine hundred and ninety three a month later Tupac made national news and it had nothing to do with his music to back core rap star and movie. Star was arrested in New York and charged with sodomy and sexual assault too, I can see where the men were arrested at the park. Meridian hotel, the Manhattan wrapped singer, took action corps was released on fifty thousand dollars veil today accused of a sexual attack and a New York or tell the singer Tupac Marianna Jackson, it a night club in New York, where he is preparing to shoot a movie that first night they kissed on the dance floor, Tupac with later say the Jackson performed oral sex on him right there, Jackson
She just kissed his crutch later. They women says, hotel sweet where they had come actual sex. For days after that she came over again. Jackson arrive for that second visit. She started giving super commissars and then Some other men entered the room, one of them two bucks road manager, Charles fuller. Another was Jacques Edna, better known as haitian Jack, we hear more about him later in court, Jackson testified to pack wanted to share her with these other men. She said park, told her quote: they're not gonna hurt you. Would you do for me? You do for them. She does the events again in an interview in two thousand eighteen. She by saying to Tupac. No, no! No! No! I dont want this. This is not what I want. She remembered her black pantyhose and her black spandex dress, being ripped off of her body.
I'm not going to say that I had sex with him. She said about super. I was raped by him that night has it wasn't consensual, For as long as he'd been a public figure, Tupac had been in trouble with the law in a year and a half before his arrest. He was accused of slots a fan who dance was autograph. Call a limo driver trying to hit a rapport with a baseball bat. And attacking our views, the code director of the Movie Minister Society, most seriously too, have been arrested in Atlanta after he sought to off duty police officers, but there was evidence he fired in self defence and the charges were dropped These earlier run into the law had really hurt to park standing in the music or movie business. If anything they burnished is tough. Guy image the sexual abuse case, was different. The possibility of prison time and has lost a pain. Gigs make tupac, feel threatened. He did
Take the stand in New York, but on the first day of Jerry deliberations, he defended himself in an impromptu press conference outside the courthouse. Whilst you make that like, because they have no fear like a woman school nonsense, I'm duty of a lot of things, I'm guilty pilot been a mail, so cutesy are probably not chair in as much as I see I'm guilty or not spend time with people like us, but I'm not gives you ring this cause. I don't wanna be in video from that date. November twenty knife, you can see a crowd circling to park in the scum of reporters Tupac remain poised. But you can fill us exasperation building. He hinted at piracy to silence and forest political beliefs. It was a kind of argument, black Panther mother, might have made twenty five years earlier Boxing resigned to the fact that the jurors would see him is nothing more than a thug wrapper it's hard for me to believe a jury, full of older, more middle class women are going on welcome, produce job barely understand. Well, come upon a yacht club, emotive issue. Every day
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slash slow burn and into promo code, slow burn. If Tupac was convicted of all the charges he was facing a New york. He was looking at years a prison time to make matters worse. He'd also made a dangerous enemy. His co defendants haitian jacket, not Jack, and to buy Had become friends while he was doing research for above the rim, a movie on which you violent drug dealer, I have been born in Haiti became of age in Brooklyn as a baby food. Heavy said. Stick up kid. He'd made reputation by robbing drug dealers, but he wanted get into the music business. Dare Parker was in New York police active in the nineteen nineties. Back then, He heard a lot about haitian Jack people said Emily what the clubs and with the places people respected You got out of his way. He had a kind of revenue. While I coming you, wouldn't a big do right, but usually I'm crazy guys. Like you know, people get reps. So may render streets, he ran around. You know he was one of those do that was quick to command
if you came out on the runway when Jack and Super Congo, Jack got the women in the weed and to our paid the bill Jack claim he gave to pack his first rolex. He also got to back the spruce up his look with jewels, but as a case headed to trial a reformed between the two of them Jack, secured his own lawyer, one who often work with the New York Police Union Tupac, came to believe jacket set him up. They will. All same old tells me they will why, in the same room with me, why not only want to go right now? What cameras ILO me and in the report in all this, I guess I didn't do nothing, I'm I'm charge would be in concert with got what I am. To try to dissociate from haitian Jack and one in it he called Jackie Hangar on when they ran into each other one puppies parties Tupac, ignore Jack and instead stuck close to Biggie. This was blatantly
Respect even enemies acknowledge each other's presence, if only with a head nod and disrespect of someone like haitian Jack was dangerous. So that's what you park was on the night of November twenty nine. Ninety ninety four face the present time briefing with a gangster burning through money from the defence lawyers and heading into had studios to make what he held in easy, seven cheese from little one possible obstacle. With low shines manager, James Rosemond, who went by Jimmy henchmen Jimmy was from Brooklyn, where turned a rap for robbing drug dealing. Jimmy These charges, ranging from weapons possession to say degree, murder, try to get into the music industry by representing wrappers on same day. The Tupac made that big speech us at the courthouse he called Jimmy henchmen to ask for directions to Quad studios on that call. Jimmy said he didn't have the seven thousand dollars you ve been promising, went back for it not to show up for the session. Jimmy hung up
minutes later Jimmy called back and said: he'd make sure to buy, got a seven thousand dollars. Arguing about money with Jimmy Henchmen was not a good idea.
But to buy was fearless to the point of recklessness. Maybe was a character of bishop rubbing off on it, but maybe he was acting out of desperation, but he wasn't about the lid himself get ripped off to baulk at his friends in the lobby acquire studios just after midnight. That's when she go delphic and little Sea saw them from the balcony. What she go state upstairs sees headed down in an elevator with me, no Brown, another member junior mafia down in the lobby to Mainwaring boots and army fatigue sprang into action. The men had guns and they ordered everybody in the lobby to get on the floor. Every one obey, except for Tupac, acting recklessly again super was shot five times. He fell to the floor, the arming kick them and snatched his thirty thousand dollar diamond ring and ten thousand dollars and gold chains. They didn't take two bucks diamond studied: relax watch that had been a gift from haitian Jack
I've been the penthouse studio Biggie and she go down I had no idea any of this was happening in then their friend, sees amino brow, rushed back into the penthouse until the. But they ve seen in the lobby. Biggie It is true to stay where they were. He and she go we're going to see what was happening downstairs. The gunman had already fled the scene, but the lobby of quiet studios was still bloody chaos, but tell me D done a police did so. We all dossiers can search by cuts, maybe like shape slow gunpowder tendencies again neighbours not lying solemnly was actually. The problem is to at least two bought bear down on the ground and blood downy. We like oh shit, but no to pack some time before the cops arrive and before Biggie and Chico got down to the lobby Tupac made. Onto an elevated that was going up, he rode up to the age floor then drew
damn self to the studio where he was supposed to meet with little shy bullets. Raised his head and punctual. Hand, die and scrotum. He made it into a chair and use paper towels trying to stop the bleeding. The room was filled with New York, hip hop luminaries, they'd heard what was, Happy to back him were there to check on it. Puffy was there so as puppies Tor, Andre Rural and various members, junior mafia begin she, we're still downstairs held, thereby the cops Tupac was confused, upset and suspicious He later said that no one in the room would even look him in the eye. Maybe Jimmy henchmen had ordered a hit on him. Maybe It had been haitian jack, Maybe the men in the studio knew who done it and worth saying. She go denies it begin. Junior mafia had any connection to the shooting. Chico says: Biggie downstairs with a gun because he was ready to defend to pack
and if you see that footage you see us coming out, cause studio in a police out there and it's so funny big had gun or him walking out passed a police so help me Charlie, set you up and dig it. We came to how you now detective more to catch. A casket was one of the homeless cops who responded to the shooting when he got up to that? four studio. He started questing everyone, including super Who was still there tending to his own wounds so who Two other of RO in all the other people. I had no idea Zero out to me. It was all about to pack being shot. He was the victim and gain the bad guy, but on the flip side he was going
cooperate with us, and I am standing out. I mean a retrospect. Okay, you'll take care of it you're going to do what you going to do. There was nothing I could have done to coerce him to speak The paramedics arrived and cared to back out Why studios on a stretcher, he was nearly mecca and ferry disoriented This was the moment when he extended his middle finger twice. She go and biggie and he caught him like we looked at him, put diminishing about fuck you Niggers and biggest like I just do men at us about certain. By what do we do well know, so she got Biggie figure to pack was confused. After all He just been Bum Russian nearly killed. They couldn't believe he'd blue. Before the shooting and in France. Did she go a big, is very little evidence that they were involved. Every got carried out. A quiet studios Tupac was taken to Bellevue Hospital at seem. A third
Doctors were to repair damage blood vessel in his right leg,. When he got a surgery to pack said he felt vulnerable around all of the unfamiliar doctors. He also did like that. Enemies would know where to find him Tupac understood that play Jack and Jimmy henchmen have the power to finish the job even at a hospital. He also thought the men who attacked him. Like the kind of Dude Biggie hung out with in Brooklyn and super found a fish He was the only one among all the stars of the quiet that night who got, robbed and shot. If you were to park It might seem like a set up to you to so too by checking Self out of the hospital less than three hours after the surgery on his leg. His sergeant said: he'd, never seen anybody leave like that super want to go somewhere, he could be found, so I hold up at the apartment of a friend the actress some guy, they better I guess start on her said: come a different world. First of all, he was shot time. Somebody wanted him dead.
Walking around knowing that really affected Tupac Spirit and there It's a lot of what I call spiritual fortification going around him. I mean we were really just trying to give that law. He looked as frail to he was he. The day to hear the jury's verdict in Vienna Jackson case. He looked as frail as he was here arrived in a wheelchair, surrounded by the security forces of the nation of Islam. His head was talked with the Wool Yankee Skull cap. The covered is bandages. He had to leave before the verdict was read because his leg had gone. Numb Tupac was found guilty of sexual abuse, that may present time, though, he'd have to wait to hear the length of his sentence to Box Co. Defendants. Charles fuller, got four months behind bars patients I plead guilty. The session was contact and got probation that made to back even more suspicious the jacket cooperated with the police
The judge allow Tupac to remain free on twenty five thousand dollars bond while he recovered from his injuries. He spent the next few weeks. Jasmine, guys apartment being cared for by his mother Fanny in a private doctor. The fruit of Islam and form so the black Panther Party stood guard. He had lots of time to think about who shot him and wonder whether his friends were really his friends to buy.
Thought about how big he hadn't. Given him a mention in the liner notes of his debut album ready to die, he been a mentor to Vicky that was just respect. He thought about how biggie and puffy allowed a patient jack and their entourage. He told one reporter. I was hurt, I'm going to trial, I'm probably going to get convicted, and this nigga showing up at a party with champagne hanging with Biggie, most of all Tupac thought about the ambush at Quad studios. How big is friend Little Caesars seen him on the street? How no one else had put up a fight? How, when it was all over, no one could even look him in the face he felt betrayed and he thought maybe big e in them were in on it the whole time. He was ever arrested for the shooting, a quasi studios there very theories about who did it most. I'm sent on a couple of well known. New York, stick up guys the both in present day
serving life sentences for unrelated crimes. One of them says, pull the trigger and the Jimmy and from was behind operation Jimmy. When is imprisoned to hasten Jack, was deported to Haiti and two thousand seven back and ninety nine, before The people who knew would happen weren't talking deftly not to the police. Detective Mordechai to Caskey, says he knew the case will be nearly impossible to solve from the gecko. There was zero. Let me use the word: zero cooperation. Mean that nobody was talking to us, which was understandable. I'm not complaining about was parted. The part of the the cycle Cosu. This was a situation where no by once be a rat for one thing. Cooperating with the cops would have
dangerous, whoever it was set up to part would be just as quick to punish anyone who snitch for another hip hop in law enforcement were locked in a very public war. Next week on slow burn, hip hop, persisted ups slow burn as the production of slight plus slates membership program. You can sign up for sale plus to hear a bonus episode of the show this week in every week for the next two months in our first bonus epoch We ve got an interview with one or two packs: Attorneys Sean Holly, a public too gender and lawyer to the stars you'll also hear about the making of the season for me and slow burn producer, Christopher Johnson, to hear it son slight, plus its slate that calm, slash, slobber
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