In this episode: Tupac claims—loudly, publicly, and with very little evidence—that he’s been sleeping with Faith Evans, Biggie’s estranged wife.
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Previously on slow burn, he pops EAST Coast West Coast viewed heats up
the notorious biagi records who shot you to Portugal or via magazine that Biggie and Sean puffy
had something to do with the shooting at quite studios. To back, then
to a sugar death row records and should help to bail out of prison back in California. To back is ready to restart his career and set a low scores.
In the fall of nineteen. Ninety five little Tories Biaggi was blowing up.
When three year olds debut album ready to die with certified. Double platinum
He was a fixture on radio in MTV, the sitcom Martin even built an entire episode
It is worth bearing in mind the burgeoning, then you and me, and the cow lose you make a man. You don't know me best, Biggie,
constantly on the road that year touring from city to city. He was also
promoting the debut album from his proteges junior mafia,
with collaborating with everyone from the army group, one twelve to Michael Jackson,
such a colonial Christopher, while as found celebrity dizzying, but through
Indeed, he made sure as friends came along for the ride. Here's one of those friends she go delving of junior mafia,
Maybe a tablet beautiful life. We had point. We had
baby, you man we had planned may reach out to the world we ve been around is worrying. That bothers me. Biggie had started dating faith Evans a year earlier. Evans was the first female artist signed a puffy coms, Batboy records. She in big emitted a photo shoot them
married after two months. Their honeymoon period was blissful, but very short, Biggie started
meeting with other women almost right away.
Usually Evan started having flings too by October ninety ninety five she'd moved out of their Brooklyn apart
a year later, Evans talked about her relationship with
the other tv, show video music box in the interview, she sounded totally exasperated with her husband
Xbox mayhem, I don't really. We don't really interact right now, cuz, I think he's being kind of tasteless about the way he's doing a lot of things we are legally married, but we don't live together or anything like that, every once in a while we run into each other, but as of right now, I'm kind of better around that time. Evans was busy.
Voting her music and working as a songwriter ascensions rose between the EAST and West Coast RAP seems she spent
out of her time flying between New York and loss Anschluss on one of those trips to allay she meant to puncture core. It was just a few days after you'd gotten out of prison. We should night brokered to Pox release. He promised the death row would make him a bigger star. Tupac in turn, had promised. Should that he'd make death row, the biggest label in the world can am studio, didn't look like the place to stage a world take over
It was a nondescript brown, brick building located in an industrial park in California, San Fernando Valley, it can M Tupac, worked furiously. He had legal fees to pay
if any one in the world and know that the past couple of years, the arrest, the present time, the quad shooting it only made him stronger, Tupac, smoked, weed and cigarettes, drink, Hennessy and pumped out song after song. He spend as much as ninety
hours a day in the studio. The army singer, Danny boy who was signed a death row worked with to pocket, can am, should a bit roman officer herself in a and is it the studio we lack slain in, like studio Gus Pack, studio leading to ain't work was driven by paying enrage. He still believe that still puffy were responsible for puffy were a quiet studios. He tallied up all the slight seed thought they directed at him. He'd been dwelling on at four year, Imprison Tupac made plans for revenge, Frank Alexander, who worked as two packs bodyguard said. The one thing they kept Tupac going was the thought that when he got out, he was gonna fleet with big his wife. To didn't. Wait, wait longer start trying to set up to her.
He was that guy who would sit up their imply for much zero. That was the way he thought. That's Alison, Samuels, who wrote about Hiphop for news weaken the nineties when are the better way to get back at someone a man than I have your girl herself faith. Evan
tells the story in her autobiography she was.
The club, and allay when she ran it or
entrench the leader of the rap group, naughty by nature. Trudge told her that Tupac was at the club to it. Then he wanted to meet her
Tupac flattered her telling her that he listened to her music every day. While he was in prison. He asked her to sing on his next record.
Evans said she do it for twenty five thousand dollars into buck agreed, not long after that they both ended up at the same event,
a large party for the waiting to exile soundtrack that album was a showcase for the heiress biggest female army artist. Whitney Houston marriage obliged to Elsie in Evans herself
although to parking Evans didn't go together. He walked with a down the red carpet and he sat at her table all night. He was very publicly staking
playing in her memoir Evans, wrote a saw Whitney Houston from across the room.
And she gave me a looked at said a word you with him in my heart, sank later that night Tupac jumped into Evans's lemme in road to an after party with her, they agreed to record together in a few days to pack said that he'd send a car to bring into the studio when the car came it
The convertible into back was driving it himself. Evans says she was shocked when they pulled up at the death row studio. She claims that before that day, she had known the to pocket sign would signal label Evans waited to be called in recorded. Her part in asked for her check to pack said he'd give her the money it is hotel tell when they got there. He told her love New York, but I'm not fucking with me up.
Now because Nigger set me up at night, we she asked for the money again to pack said. If I give it to you, then you my bitch. He suggested that she perform oral sex on him. She left without the check.
Evans has always maintained that she never had sex with to Pat to part would tell a very different story. How did faith Evans get caught up in the food between bad boy and death row? How did Biggie responded to pox attempts at vengeance in a rat being
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Puffy skipped an industry convention in Miami because it threats from should here's the rider and former music executive dance on us. I believe that this beef is really about the small mindedness and insecurity
should make the army singer. Danny boy was part of shoes entourage. He remembers. It should make a point of entertaining wanna puffy sex.
France, oh yes, it like that will shoot way. I didn t you to light like among its girl. He got her my own goddamn, who you was for a long time. Puffy and bad boy refused to take the bait and then finally, the fight became two sided would made
Boy crack was death row coming onto their turf in December, one thousand nine hundred and ninety five Suge Knight's in Snoop Dogg and THA Dogg Pound back EAST to film a video for the group's new single New York New York. The song itself isn't particularly incendiary. It's a five minute Bose from dog pound member corrupt. The only time New York gets mentioned is in the hood,
which is sung by snoop
If the incredible, even though the
song was innocuous. Me shoot
The video in New York might have seemed like a provocation. To make things worse, the song was built on a bit too big. It already used in a commercial for Saint Ives model.
I'll. Tell you what we'll figure responded by calling into a local hip hop station he's ready right, death throes
the security of the big gun on the radio, and was light,
How do you do that film on its own is New York, New York, video, where we cannot allow this to happen? Was biggie being playful? Always he tried to inside his home town,
there's no way to know, but at least one person took the honor instigation seriously shortly after Biggie made that call someone fired shots on the video set red Hook, Brooklyn the
Let's were aimed at the trailer was snoop in the dog power hangin out. No one was hurt
one was ever identified as the gunman after the shooting
Dog pound added a new scene to the video it showed the group
paging through New York, like Godzilla, destroying the skyline and crushing cars in the streets
that wasn't nearly enough wreckage for Tupac. He saw this
latest shooting, is yet another personal attack any took a visitor they do is they does?
They were just around when I got shot at studio and now the issue of the trailer because on which all
job Dumas. Another issue in a job to pocket launched his own revenge plot against bad boy records well before the shooting on the Brooklyn video set that plots in it on faith, Evans
in November nineteen? Ninety five he'd made his old acquaintance Kevin PAL on a different video set.
That was issued for California, love in the desert about a hundred miles from Ella, never getting to the said, and you know looking for
following someone said: there's a trail over there were knocking on the door. You know the door open somehow and a gust of marijuana smoke came out and ours.
Is the site all the Rikers Island of Youtube us and he was going to smoke weed anymore, but there he was. This was Powell's third interview with Tupac in three years. He thought the star wasn't in good shape, but I'm thinking to myself my gosh. This is not going to end well, you know because it seemed like this was a desperation move pop. You know to be in this space.
Cow story. Headlined live from death row came out in the February nineteen. Ninety six issue, a vibe magazine in the story.
How quoted in anonymous sore, saying to pack and faith are now very, very close asked about the relationship. Tupac said you know I don't kiss and tell right around that time. The New York Times magazine, published a profile of signatures in the article, should teases tupac about his fancy pattern, shirt and claims at Evans bought it for it. How did you think a two part should ask? I did enough to pop replies
it has shown that the writer Lynn Hirsch Bird describes is rather salacious. It was a new low in a rapidly spiralling conflict. Here's Colonel Mayo who was a staff writer at the source. It's almost as if faith wasn't a full human being women in particular. Those of us will writing by talking about it. You know just gesture,
this up as yet another example of a woman being used as the pawn in between male beef faith Evan
would later say that the story in the New York Times magazine sent Biggie into a jealous rage. She said that he practically beat down.
Or of our hotel room, screamed and cursed at her grabbed. Her arms in sugar.
Still a little while later they reconciled briefly and conceived his son Christopher Jordan Wallace. Let's take a quick break album all Eyez on me came out in February, one thousand nine hundred and ninety six
just four months after he was released from prison, the twenty seventh songs, all of which he recorded in those marathon sessions. It can am Willis, thoughtful and less political than his earlier work. Now he sounded like the reckless gangster wrapper his critics,
longer accused of being read music journalists,
Oh HO diary, Koker wrote that all eyes on me find the wrapper even more venomous than he was before incarceration for sexual abuse. You can hear,
that venom on the song wonder why they call you bitch is the track the to pocket S, faith every single, although she's not credited on it. In episode, for you heard about C Dolores Tucker, the activists who accuse Tupac another wrappers of objectified and disrespecting women and wonder why they could
Stressing half a mile up big mouth big neighbour, state, leaping Alison Samuel, says Tupac changed after IONA Jackson accused him of sexual abuse. Every
after I on a jack, some accused him of sexual abuse. Everything, I think, was a result of that case because he felt like he'd been lie on ethnic. It absolutely soured him on his faith in people. I think he lost trusting people after that, and I think it made an incredibly angry at women.
Park was an artist capable of real depth and empathy. If any one should have been able to rise above misogynistic troops, it was to pop
What does it say about him that he didn't hear Samuels again here
doesn't do right by women in particular to me. Women of color,
What would do and right look like not sick, overly
actual icing. Women in the videos on not over sex
rising relationships and songs. You know
this sort of having more of a respectful tone and unease sounds Osgood say that by the fact that he thought getting back at Biggie was through his woman.
Which was the most insulting and degrading thing he could do to face the fact that he didn't care that he was degrading her. You know
understanding the their human feelings connect it to use would have just disregarding a person in thinking that they are not. You know that they are second class. Citizens are not good
excuse for hip up here, but I ask you is that a hip hop problem was at a man problem and it is, I think, a man problem. I think in hip Hop
again, because I think a lot of times with
a lot of young records when I talk to them
A lot of them are coming.
To the game. They get this fame, they get this money and they have no outlet. They have no one to talk. Do they have no one to sort of arm guide them, as I think it can be, may be intensified
and hip hop, because a lot of them are coming from backgrounds where they didn't have that guidance thanks a two part, faith Evans became a punch line and there were plenty of folks in hip. Hop who are happy to
If, along a column, invite bags is the new slim
faith, losing weight from all that running back and forth between them.
Torres Biagi and Tupac Evans Neutral
being used in her ninety ninety six,
interview with video music box? You can hear that she was fed up with it
all the that you ve been in our land mean he.
May I be when he's ever am in Baghdad
a man named to go at each other in an ogre. I got nine, here's Cuneo again legos fucked up. Definitely it was
horrible, in addition to what she was suffering in in the marriage. In the context of all that and being an hour
on babble ledges all of it when you just think about it in high
say unbelievable, like she's a survivor, we're gonna forget time out.
With the release of all eyes on me, Tupac again prove there was a huge market for the kind of music see delors, Tucker called pornography
the double album went straight to number one of the billboard charts should night had made good on his promise to Tupac
death row had made him a bigger star. That stardom, though, had come at the expense of other death row artist. Here's Reggie right,
He had risen over the time and the doll power now without doing well. Canada pushed to the site because of poor come one of the people who got pushed to the side was death throes. Other founder doktor tray
Gray had been working on California, love on his own sugar insisted that Dray put Tupac on the song. It was Pox first single off allies on me
more than any other track on that album. California, love sounds like a celebration,
California, primitive man, freedom for money, not dinner. They went round the California Loaf,
turned out to be the biggest head of two pox career. It would also
We wanted to raise final songs for death row. The thirty euro producer had gotten tired of the labels gangster theatrical if it keeps going this way. Doktor Dray said
pretty soon niggas from the EAST coast, ain't going to be able to come out here and vice versa. On March 29th, one thousand nine hundred and ninety six, the EAST Coast and West Coast seems converged at the soul. Train awards, in LOS Angeles,
it was the first time to pocket. Biggie were in the same room since the shooting required studios. It was a triumphant night for both of them to pox me against the world. His last record before joining death row, one best rap, album big, is one more chance remit.
The song of the year, firstly pop rigs all playboy bullies. Those were among those implacably at the award show Biggie perform one more chance in a black tux and a black bowler hat puffy set on the stage at a white piano faith, Evan sang the hook. It was the fulfilment of puppies vision of elegant showmanship, a far cry from death throes gangster image. Here's Larry Hester a hip hop rider known as the black spot Hester profile. Bad
record for the September, one thousand nine hundred and ninety six issue of five. We seen them start from the bottom and work their way to the top and then reap the rewards, and
They showed us everything that they reaped again
and again. This was still the West coast. Biggie
heard some booze from the audience when he shouted out Brooklyn during his acceptance speech, but the real hostility came after the show was over.
Big in his crew were waiting for their cars. When a black homer pulled up the window rode down, it was Tupac with that FUCK gal Tupac yielded
is chaos broke out around them? Bigotry,
Stared at his old friend, Larry Hester
said: Biggie couldn't believe that to buck with this far gone he said Papa
out the window screamin, you know Wes. I not asked us like that, but he was really confused. You know
and begged just wanted it to stop.
In the middle of all. This sum
big, got hustled onto a limo and hurried away from the scene.
It was the last time, biggie into part, would ever look each other. In the eye publicly Biggie tried to brush off is viewed with Tupac. He contributed some verses to Brooklyn fight.
Ass, a song buying up and coming wrapper named J C in the song
made a joke out of the idea that to park in faith, Evans slept together if they have sounded several rose from the s. For two part he took as beef with biggie to play.
That rap feuds normally didn't. You claim why we did him up came out two months after the sole train awards. It was one of the most brutal distracts in the history of hip. Hop two black didn't just boasted: he'd had sex with faith Evans. He also threatened to some of the biggest names and EAST Coast RAP Puffy,
junior mafia lobby. Low. Can't stop pregnancies pretty much. Everyone thought the to pocket gone too far. I was like wow, you know this is crazy. I have a copy of the album with the Roma
I like that. I heard it for the very first time I never played again everything was moving into a space
That was beyond the pale I mean the whole.
Am thing was: was there would it be seen
to assume that violence would follow? Yes, but
he never threatened to retaliate for hit him up in a story for vibe. He till Larry Hester that the song said more about Tupac. Then it did about him or face Evans. If the mother fucker, really
FUCK Faye foul how he's just blow I like, like that? Never once did he say that faded some foul shit to him. If honey was to give you the pussy, why would you disrespect like that? Biggie crew felt the two packs DIS demanded
spots his cheek O Dell, that a member of junior mafia at the while few thousand and the group was like minutes- did too
distal to get at these dudes name is kid on things like now and then he died alone. Man like come on man. Let's just stay,
I will be got to do as we did for the loan alone.
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