Julien Baker is from Memphis, Tennessee. She released her second album, Turn Out The Lights, in October 2017, on Matador Records. The New York Times called her music "devastating" and Pitchfork gave the album Best New Music. In this episode, Julien tells the story of her song "Appointments," and how writing it helped her work through her thoughts around addiction, depression, and relationships. Julien also takes apart the track "Over," which was written as part of Appointments, but then split off as a separate track.
This is an unofficial transcript meant for reference. Accuracy is not guaranteed.
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so the julian tells the story of her song appointments and how writing it.
how to work through our thoughts around addiction, depression,
and relationships doing,
also takes part the track over, which was originally written as part of appointments within split off as a separate track.
You join baker.
do you ever think to say something, and then you know that you should not say that thing aloud
happens to me. I know that a thought is irrational under save it and exploring
and the sun like ice,
and inadequacy, and like an impostor syndrome, when I would talk to my friends or when I would be at a party just standing around out just to have this bizarre paranoia, though like I'm not what any of these people want it and I'm disappointing them, I'm letting everyone down, and
recurring thought was, I think, probably the first idea that crime
in my brain fur. The lyrics. I know that I'm not what you wanted.
no. The shoe
appointment
materialised around the
weeks in which I was starting to figure out ways to be more proactive about dealing with recovery and mental health, like
actually going to therapy in actually taking care of myself.
I was sitting on my couch in my apartment in tennessee and
creating cord progression and improvising on top of it does
the voice men I made in my house
you, can hear, is stepping on the leaping pedal, its
mr continuous leap of that
I place other points on top of it,
So.
a play, accord progression and then, as they're getting recorded tis a loop they build on top of each other.
And I just noodle around in this reverberant landscape,
improvisation, isn't a very special and therapeutic place in its own way to just sit with a guitar and play for forty five minutes of uninterrupted sound just transporting to somewhere else. It's really nice refuge from constant consciousness and thought that's bombarding you always. The lyrical content is derived from actual.
Relations there had with loved ones about feeling the immense isolation that results from living inside your own head and fear that you always feel isolated and,
being able to express that to another person.
I was thinking over the conversations that I had had in the last week, allowing myself to confront thoughts that I'm having that I know, are rational. The lie
You should try not to miss anymore appointments
was something that was said to me.
I should just none too soon.
Paul?
having someone say that, and
That being the only thing
it can be offered in the way of comfort or encouragement fell like empty and
very fragile, and I remember being disappointed in that phrase and thinking
so detached and sterile, and has
nothing in the way of empathy attached to it.
it was intended to be carrying, but I think also
you're in that isolated mindset, is difficult to not view things as a personal attack.
of course now that I'm
two years. Your move from that. I understand how nuanced and delicate those social
patients are and how no one really knows what to offer another human being and that's
The crux of the whole record
for this on its own
a place where neither person is being understood. So
I have the raw material of my thoughts and then I do,
And just let the thoughts kind of tumble over until they settle into where they're supposed to go
So we need a recording it at ardent studios in memphis
an engineer, calvin labour.
On time friend of mine I
being most comfortable with the idea of recording with calvin, because it seemed like the most conducive to the creative process was going to be the environment much more than the equipment that I felt
is with the person whose recording the record I play of hindered.
I would cast her and retract other parts separately
The reason why we did it is so we could manipulate all of those separately and set of his having one chunk of guitar.
appointments is the second track on julian bakers album the first.
It is an instrumental called over, but there's no gap
The two tracks over acts
The intro to appointments so originally over and appointments were all one song thriven chopped up, so
purposes of this episode. I'm concerned
Two tracks, as one composition, so actually
tell me about over as well the view
First thing that you here, where the studio
where it closes is an attack.
took place, you inside the experience of sitting down to create these socks.
You hear me and my carabine her walk over, hence sit down at the piano.
over begins with a version of the opening led part of appointments, but in
relative minor
This minor piano riff
I mean
and then one of my friends, cameron, boucher, came to
underbelly would wins.
Its clarinet and then sacks
and then camille faulkner place violin
and it all just sounds kind of crystal,
right. All these sounds was floating.
And then Camille and I just sat down at the piano and I played
the courts in the riff, and we worked out this turnaround that would take the cord progression in the minor and
I will end up in a major key
I wanted to feel like there's a lot of tension and then
for it to resolve and disappear into
the very first notes of appointments, which is in the major key.
Negative emotion into a positive emotion,
and so I wanted for that. Tiny art commit occurs within over to indicate how the rest of the record would flow from despair,
to provisional hope,
Maybe there is a lot of her
we processed. The focus was also based on mimicking emotion, being told in verbal lyrical part. The record
all told in first person, but is an attempt to
locate the self in relation to where you are inside your head.
in the archipelago part there's multiple harmony, singing different, lyrics, felicity,
Maybe
gonna turn our, I probably not. I know that it's not you ve got
affirmation, yes, it will be ok, no, it won't be ok and then you ve got uncertainty. All of those things being spoken. Simum
Lastly, there all located in different places. This speech
voice changes, its location in the mix. To give you the sense that all of these thoughts are happening, concurrently, fighting for attention and
competing to be heard too.
Yes,.
The vocals are being executed in this desperate and almost erratic way. When I'm admitting that to say
aid to someone everything's, fine everything's fine is more.
for my benefit
that's something that I'm pretending to be more confident about, and so on
to convey it in a dramatic way.
When is turning
a cyclical, negative thought pattern into a refrain or a chorus is liberating.
Writing. Songs was part of that
Healing process itself I mean for a while I felt like I was in a fish tank
because I was just experiencing this sadness and constant anxiety that I wasn't dealing with
but I was just living inside of an anxious it felt like I could do nothing else, but inhabitants in the music,
it is supposed to be a vehicle.
Or for expelling those things from my mind, or at least just admitting them, I don't report to have like everything
and that's why singing about hopefulness on this record is.
very tentative?
it's like a provisional hope
how small the pin hole of light is? Isn't it
possible that within
today or the next week for the next months that we could feel closer.
Something like joy.
now, here's over and appointments by julian baker.
You shall be easy.
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