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A Conversation with Dr. Mae Jemison

2019-01-25 | 🔗

Neil deGrasse Tyson sits down with Dr. Mae Jemison, MD, former astronaut and Principal of 100 Year Starship, to explore her multidisciplinary career, the challenges of interstellar space travel, and the best ways to make science more accessible for everyone.

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Skip the commercials support star talk on patriarch to listen to every episode, commercial, free, welcome to start up your place in the universe where science and pop culture collide knocked off begin right now, the draft case in your personal astrophysicist on rare occasions I sit down to interview someone who's presence, is so powerful, so entertain, so, unlike me, all at once in the car, station that comes out of their encounter is so inspiring that we have to depart. From our usual studio format and expand and for some one on one time on jobs,
such an occasion. I sat down with former NASA astronaut engineer and physician doktor May Jemison, and Interaction moved us all and start talk to break format, for this particular episode so instead of our usual panel event, studio, expert, Gaston Comedians and scientists. What follows is my uninterrupted conversation with May from start to finish Doktor May Jemison has been to space, but that's not the only thing would you the most interesting thing about it early career as a medical doctor in Africa and Cambodia. To a space shuttle mission and now her newest project hundred years starship she literally aims for the stars. We talked about all of this sort, this first part of a conversation we get to know May the life that prepared her to dream bigger than most people will ever dared to dream. So, let's go to that.
Conversation. Now so may I feel like we go like way way back, but it's only just way back weight to the nineties. The early ninetys I first met you at a conference where we were advising the head of NASA? I'm we're NASH Nasa should go, and you were there and is like why this? Why is she didn't only go into space? She's like has thought this cell, so an and you had a whole life after going into space. So. Congratulations different. What you have assembled here, while it's really kind of interesting, has so many times people think of of themselves, and particularly people who are in the public light as having this single dimension and its critically important? To remember that there is a life before that. That leads you up to the place, and then you have to continue on afterwards and
you know. So, for me, everything that I did before ever went into space was just as important as going in a space, because that's what got me there? The conference s you talked about was about. You know: where, should the space programme go and bringing that thinking about it? I had to think about the work that I don't for I worked in West Africa for two and a half years as every piece grammatical office of her Sarah Leone and Liberia to the least developed countries in the world. Worked in a cambodian refugee camp. What I've been evaluated to space more stuff, big Marvin and so No, no. The reason I'm bringing this up is because so many times people think you know
Just appear on the planet: men that moment that they had been that circumstance you weren't right, it's all the things beforehand, so to speak at this conference. I knew there was too There is light some back story there there had to be as if you were just you would just on point everything. You said your perspective. You brought to the table, so that's why I just want. I knew that for how to show or wanted you ever so little about me and you are already providing planning- is another thing you have to plug unplanned anywhere, but you know the thing about the whole conference when I was thinking about it My idea was that space exploration has many uses and it will they come to fruition will only know exactly how it should be used as we get more people involved
so it was literally because of my background of working in developing countries. I was very excited about how you can use remote since in the developing countries. How you could jugglers remote re satellite remote sensing, how you could use satellite telecommunications to be able to get to places where telephone lines don't reach and that's what I was very focused and I just left NASA I was thinking about. How do I use this increase, more knowledge and blended with other things. Now I talk about medicine but I'm really an engineer at heart, because I dig him engineering as undergraduate and also majored in african study, so you can sort of see how those pieces blend together and how you think about things and how you think through life, you put the pieces together. So after medical school. I really wanted to work in a developing country for a long period of time, because you get to learn so much about yourself, so sometimes people
think that you know when you go out in your work in these places. You're doin, all those good samaritan stuff in aren't you a good guy, but for me it's feeling something that makes me feel good, so you did for completely office. I may wait. We mean let's look at the things usually do think. No! No! No! No! No! You don't laugh. I think we usually do things for selfish reasons, but that doesn't mean that that's bad and when I say selfish I mean there's something inside of you that you're feeling I doing these things so sometimes when we look at selflessness,
now, because I believe it's important that other people in the world share in the bounty of the planet that fits with my internal compass and I'm gonna feel better. When my internal compass is pointing true nor through south whatever it is it whatever direction. We're gonna go, that's pointing true, so growing arctic. The twelve, where where were you, I grew up on us outside of Chicago South Africa. As born in Alabama, we moved algae cargo vessel going. I was before I started school. I grew up on the south side of Chicago went to Chicago public schools, and all jewels go and
All time that I was there. I was always involved in science projects, but also danced all the time I wanted to be a professional day. S love dance. I took lots of our classes, so I was one of them so glad you must have twisted your ankle at some point. It didn't continued because when we wouldn't attitude I do not jealous. I entered my ankle. I had to make a choice so when I was graduating for college literally the It's true. I had to make a choice between come in coming in New York City to try to become a professional dancer, are to go to medical school, and you know It's always say my mother help me solve that in those You can always dance if your doctor, but you can't necessarily doktor here so when I came in New York City was I took classes at daily while going to medical school cause. It's sort of fulfil that that energy me that I have, for you, know the creativity where you just put yourself into things, just
totally and completely physically and all that energy. So if you know it, it was a choice. We have to make a Sometimes we will say you can do everything you can do a lot of stuff, but you can't do everything. Let's get real. Sometimes you have to make choices and those choices exclude some other things. You might like to do remind me what ashore missions where you want. I flew once online space lab J. It was done with its japanese space agency and it was a laboratory mission though we carried up a laboratory in the back of this. The space shuttle and wished visual mission was that it was estimates, forty seventh, but it was actually the fiftieth flight of the space shuttle hooker. So they were they were numbered in order of when they were put on the manifest. But then, if the flights lift or anything happen and you may fly later. The younger man ran nonetheless, and you kept to keep the number so asked. Yes, forty seven wit with, payload and everything we floor endeavour
it was it was. It was a great mission. Nothing endeavour now lives in LOS Angeles, its ever. Listen. I lay there. So in a way, do you tear up when you see it on display of the California size? so I went to the California Science Centre when they were actually unveiling it, and it's it's a strange failing because a sort of sort of saying goodbye to an era, but knowing that we have more to do and There is really a sort of this bitter sweet, very plant kind of feeling, so it was so, you know just sort of being around that. As you know, it takes me back for a second,
and it also, I think, was a move us forward and I think that's the that's the issue. How do we move forward on this are strong strong views on this, so many people were tearing up when the shuttle mission ended, and I said you not tearing up because the shuttle mission is ended. Tearing up, in fact, because we don't have a really well developed plan to follow this. Did anybody to Europe and we retire Gemini now because the Saturday the mighty satisfied with like sitting right next to read that There were going right miserliness, let's keep going, so that's why I think people tiered up because it wasn't right there. Well, I mean I mean I tiered up, I don't I don't coats huh I will look at it. You know I I you know I was here but no, but I think the I think you ve left. I think you're right, I figure spot
because the They d, the problem, was as we were doing this in like well we're just gonna stop doing, because we don't have enough money in the shuttles actually were they were. Perhaps a retirement in two thousand and four and most people don't recognize that it was right, after the Columbia accident and that declaration, that gonna go to the moon, but we're gonna. Do it at the same cost so emitted John had to retire and when they started on reality that those bodies reallocate the monies and even station was gonna, go away earlier. I re station near space station so. Basically, we sort of like said well, we'll try to figure out something and we won't make a commitment to it so I that it will put a man on the moon return of Social Europe before the decade is out was some money, well we'll figure it out as we go away and here's the thing very recent times. I was
Billy irritated when I joined Ashraf Programme because I figure when I was a little girl by the time at old enough to be an astronaut. Hang it out, at least on Mars S at least on Mars, and I wouldn't have had to be a crew member. I could just be a scientist, Workin Einstein and so the reason. We're not on Mars. Now has nothing to do from my perspective with the engineering it has more to do with the public. And that's the reason why we have to bring all those pieces as so many different people live and include them in things. It was a lack of public commitment as I didn't see why it made a difference. I was a little girl. I grew up with South Africa run around telling grown folks why it was important for us to be in space
as serious. I was run around telling grown people, and you see we could do this on the moon. We do that and stuff, but so many folks were left out when you look at the space programme, there are lots of people involved but publicly when you viewed it a lot of people. Like they didn't belong. I grew up in Woodlawn and Chicago african American community, so many people they were proud. They thought it was Paul, provided it have to do with us and that's the peace. It's really important. How do we make sure people know that when they pick up there, smartphone and they have their mapping. Services on it that here GPS, global positioning satellite systems right that they have a space receiver in their hand, that's a job. We have to do. That's how you get public commitment when folks understand that this is not just for this,
you, your group of folks right it's much deeper than that? the segment of start up come back, one on one conversation, physician engineer forward, hello secret for you when I consider singing all of the ads on this show there just one way to get out of hearing there go to patriarch arms last startled and Porthos at the five dollar level or higher to listen the star talk ad free. You can download. All current episodes into your favorite pack has player and ever hear another commercial on star talk ever again, you will definitely not After hear me saying if you support us at patriarch dot com last, our talk I mean I'm just thinking. I mean just saying.
Conversely, Jemison Purpose she went into space. She continued to for the stars with her project one hundred years starship. This an inclusive multidisciplinary project to get humans, not robot, but living breathing square humans to another star system within a hundred years. It's like shot, but a whole lot harder may and I discuss some of the challenges that we women's, must tackle before we plan for such a watch them and these include not only the obvious demands on energy and technology and propulsion, but also medical and anthropological needs. So let's get back to my car station with May one hundred air starship is
bout making sure we have the capability for human travel, beyond our solar system to another star within a hundred years. It's about pursuing an the ordinary tomorrow in order to create a better world today. It's by doing those things that we don't know how to do. It's about you, in inner seller travel as a platform to push rat call leaps in knowledge technology and on public commitment. Doktor may we haven't been out of low birth worth it since nineteen. Seventy two- and there are problems with your talking about travelling between the stars, were what so here's the deal. When you look at interstellar travel, we're not looking at a specific launch day we're talking about how do you make the capabilities exists? No one.
Innovation and do it, but can we create and helped us our men and environment, where people try to do better things. So this is not rocket architecture is it. It includes rocket architecture, eating Words, human health, inhuman behaviour in includes sustainability. It includes innovation is that it includes. How did you give financial commitment to something that you may not see the results of your ears. Medicine, economics, engineering, biology behaviour, be human psychology governance. So our motto is we pursue an extra Mary tomorrow in order to create a better world today by doings things that no one think you can do. We know I changes- that's what the moon shark did for our country in the world absolutely just think about it in nineteen o one when HD worlds,
first man in the moon. It was Levin lessons in the years later that we actually had a human on the moon. And back then we knew hum river. We knew so little about anything. So our technological arc right now is much deeper than it was back. Then we know a lot more. So it's not unreasonable to imagine that in a hundred years we might be able to have the capabilities. Now, I'm not talking about STAR Trek and Warped, I've been Bindon space Time and all that maybe more. Maybe I mean I may be limiting us, but we, may be able to have the capabilities and think about it, and one hundred starship is about providing a platform to think outside of those ways. We usually do stuff right now, staying within solar system. We can do a lot of incremental kinds of technology to get there. Getting to another star requires that you open things up right now we ve got proximate centurion
we have a romantic going around the nearest star to the sun, so they helped out. I think that our house, let's just think about, think about the platform this provides and some people say, take humans out of it, but no leave humans in because that pushes the platform. Imagine what you have to do with sustainability right. It's not just the rocket engines will talk about the rocket ages, but is sustainable. Because if you get to going fast enough that you can get there in a hundred years or fifty years, you're not gonna slow down to pick stuff right, you're gonna to carry everything with used or filling station. No villas aid, no grocery stores! No stop on quick mark you holding with what we do now, so here's the thing so you can get in once you get there, you're, probably not coming back. So
everything you take has to be sustainable, which means we have to understand things like the microbial in the soil, which is what fixes children and other things for plants to grow cause, we're gonna have to grow wrong food. We're not going to be able to. You know, store enough for you. Freeze dry and all that kind of some you're gonna have to have a whole bunch of people on Hilary silos under trip It doesn't make any sense right, so you're gonna have to because every silo you bring every extra package. You is more energy, that's needed in order to get you to point, one light be right, so so think about What does that mean? We means we have to make tremendous strides in you're standing sustainability in terms of our own bodies, how we digest thinks cause people's microbial system inside its did. You know, you're, your body has to carry these microbes with it and
they essential to recently that is it ten twenty thirty percent of our body mass. Or other living organism is back in their name. It's clean I agree you, but It's me so that it means that I've gotta be me. You'll do have bodies to help you. I can't be micro. Look at you have you have billions, a buddy they help you out right. I gotta go you ve been here, but you have buddies elbowed out, so it talks about how we're in this? this balance with our environment, but we have to understand that soda. All thing around the microbes sustainable when he materials right, calling look here right now, when we go up in the space, people carry the clothing with you. We had a textile into I'm professor call S ballade, who came and said how many people,
in this plenary session. Can so we got a few hands up. He said the rest of you all can't go because we have to make our own clothes. Because we're gonna have to look at material and ruggedness you're not gonna, be able to carry a box cars of clothing for people, you're gonna, to be able to reuse and recycle the materials. So each just our relationship to textiles. Everything We do starts to change things. Space pilgrims welcomed her to do everything cells. Pilgrims had to do everything that we now quick mark. But everybody I mean our history, every variety bigger help from the natives, but about the name so you're doin stuff themselves where themselves in the area and all over the world. But you see we had this wonderful planet that supplies us with so many things, so now we're gonna have to understand enough about it to be able to
we create some of that. So it helps understanding of our own planet. Let us talk about energy right, so how fast can you go? Currently I mean I did the math on this. You don't go ahead, take the fastest thing we ve ever launched Don't even have people on it and you aim towards alpha's ensuring that would take on the off his injury system. It would take fifty sixty thousand, here's exactly somewhat longer than a human lifespan is a somewhat longer than we ve been able to cave paint. Well, even not only that this matter has more than since we ve been able to make is that we have to go much faster, which means that we have to generate these tremendous amounts of energy storm safely and control them, but you that means you can't do chemical,
temporary will not chemical energy out all that fire inflame the comes up under the shuttle or the little origin. It looks good, looks good, but it's not going to do it so we're gonna have to review the clerks or chemical energy or molecules that have energy stored in them. You break apart the molecule bring together, Molly, atoms and energies waste, is I read you a man in a way so that you thrust forward exactly so? That's it everything you say, but if we're going to try to generate the kinds of energy that we would need to get to another star in fifty years or something foolish little two eyes like a tenth. The speed of light light years away its forty year, forty or trip, so going to have to we're. Gonna have to do. And minimum vision safely right, which powers, atomic plants and things like that, where you break Adams apart or you can have to do- fusion, which is what runs a son Right which the sun generates energy, which we don't really know how to do well, are going to.
Santa matter each one of these are orders of magnitude, more energy. So if we started to able to do even a little of that look, how we change life here on earth if we were able to but safely oxygen story, access, energy, which one of the things that fundamental about people's quality of life is one of the things that the future is wrong in the eighteen, forty or fifty years and early sixties, your majesty, the year two thousand and everyone is in a flying car and then in motorized sidewalks, and they were thinking that somehow energy would be unlimited? Is all that takes energy, but they got that wrong. Energy is rather finite, but information is unlimited and sore lives have been changed by access to information the whole. I t universe, so I've, Craig by that. So you're gonna need a future. That kind of like the one people dreamt of working and unlimited access to energy. We're gonna need a few
with a lot more energy right but that's gonna be needed anyway info issue will not take the place of some fundamental physical properties, and this is where we have the bow things out, and I think that You got low confused as we start to look at. I t information technology and assume? and it's gonna solve everything, because there are some fundamental visit called things that living breathing beings have to do, and that is they require entered so whether its enabled a cool vaccine? to deliver and places the keep food saved me from location. A location- maybe you can decrease that with I t, but we need energy and something we need to put money and effort in researching and that's
but again when under your starship, is about how do we start to push things things forward? One of the things that we have to think about As well is even in health, that's a reason: why bring humans and we work on something that were calling crucibles. This is forging thought into reality. How do we jump start new disciplines and these crucibles are subject matter experts working on a tough problem that you need for interstellar travel. One of those problems was: how do you create a health care infrastructure that Apples with you biology, evolves in space and it's gonna evolve over fifty years right and when you get some place right now, our health care system, our healthcare infrastructure, depends on clinical trials pharmaceutical develop and looking at the epidemiology of what's happening around the world and it sits in lots of different places, and you boy
and folks, you do things and it's a big o system, but you can carry that with you, nor you gonna be able to radio back to earth or get supplies. So how do you create something I should come and there's no supply ships they would have to catch up with in writing. So how do you do that? And if it could do that, when I get on their ship and get there first, there's something all the weight equation, but we ll. Let us do this, so how do you, either it enough- they have you ever known by physicists they always want to jump out of the bio stuff they wanted jump into the energy and had I'm sorry, I'm guilty about three. I know so I'm a key beyond that's good, but so, if you, if we, we did something a virtual human, a crucible, and it was done in grass, Austria in a castle right, you know how to do it right. But it was being done with a number of different people and we're looking at How do you wholly model human physiology and health.
By being able to do a model that includes epidemiology behaviour, the physiology of stuff, because that's a kind of infrastructure system that you'll need to carry but how are you gonna do this when I've seen the thickness of the physicians desk reference? Ok, the PD are: is this thick is filled with prescribe herbal medicine you're not going to have every one of these medicines on the ship. That's exactly the point! Medicines will evolve. So you to be able to figure out a way to generate your own medicines, so you know those microbes that you're so averse to not on your see I'd take if I got a little while some of em become bad actors when they go in the spring summit become more pathogenic. One open space, video store wages So the
for those in your body. You know their lot of things that may happen, so we need to be able to understand epidemiologically, what's going to happen so human bodies, Sierra, happen. When you go there, you know things happened to your, but there's This is a reason why you need to be able to do your own investigations. You need to be able to do your infrastructure. What's gonna happen when you go there, you know things happened to your immune system, but there's lots of stuff it go is really good stuff, but there are lots of things that half a very exciting, but how do you understand that? How do you put it together and its by starting to being able to model it right and the enable carry that model with you. So you have they have a way of really understanding like yes, the information in the Pd Orbit, the pity just the dead man, s like just starch heart right as all that is you actually have to oh and understand all the stuff. It's back behind the stars rights. You have to understand all the the new
first reactions and you know farmer could networks in the canoe ex of enzymes and all of these other things that go on and they have to understand how ones behaviour effects your body and you Is he all? You have to understand that mean they're? So many things, that's what part they help him structure so we're doing with virtual human is bringing it. Bull engine protein, our people who do tissue cell culture grow gaming, people gaming, quantum computing and all of those things of bringing them together to start to think about. How would you create that model that would not have happened if we didn't say let's think about going interstellar and let's bring other people in its long fought without that
right. Now we have to close out this part of the show, but stick around for a final segment. Can we wrap up my conversation with former NASA aspirin? Welcome back to my hesitation. Age is a former NASA Astrid she's a physician and engineer and she's also the founder of one hundred years star, we ve been discussing the dreams and challenges of taking humans. Interstellar. Let's get back to the conversation so one hundred years starship we proposed an inclusive audacious journey to transform life here on earth.
The yacht, and I was fortunate enough to lead the team that won the modest seed funding from DARPA and weak Argo DARPA cool the modesty funding, DARPA too, it is independent organization, but you notice. The first word is inclusive, because we you have to include not just over gender, this? Is an geography but across disciplines so we brought in people who had not been involved with space exploration. Amateurs end the exports because they are so. Much expertise out in the world there. So much, college out in the world that may I have been applied to space exploration that if you give people per they should be involved, give them away to participate. Tremendous things happen,
As you know- and I know that if space is the carrot, you can attract some of their brightest minds in the landscape absence. Thirdly, we found that there were so many people who wanted to be involved, who I hadn't had away to be involved and in fact, I'll have to get you a t, shirt. This says spaces and just rocket scientist millionaires there are other model, because by in other people, they bring these perspectives and so When we opened up to life scientist who were ever involved with space exploration. There was a little cabal. That occurred where they just sort of took over and out of it came virtual human because they said you know the deal is the infrastructure is not about base, counter measures, and you know lore body, negative pressure and all these things were folks. Try to do stuff is really about. How do you
create, a system that will evolve over time and that's where started from his so we're working to continue to move those things for we're. Looking things around design as well and even How do you become? advanced civilization. You know there's this, call them in the corner shop. You know scale on civilizations and it's all all energy and that's all be reinforced. Since I have been doing the work, they say it's about energy, but you know their people called anthropologists. For Heaven's sake, colleges did historians and stuff who study civilizations and how they evolve? So I want get them into that because use in all, the energy of your star may not be the marker of an adult. And civilization draining your planet of all of its energy may not be the marker of an advanced, civilised a shower civilization that king hang around for a long period of time. So what we want to do is to bring
other people in a really have this transdisciplinary. Look letting other people be involved, because that's how you're gonna get these radical leaps in in ideas and design. That's how you do it. So I guess I had just not fully understood the whole mission state, because I'm imagining cause what what else? Could you expect someone to think here's? My german she'd been in space and now she wants to go to the stars. That's the kind of weird! Ok, we'll letter, ok, fine, but what what you're doing is you're not building a spaceship. You are saying here are the challenges that sir commission confronts wouldn't be interesting to solve those as a thought experiment, as were in wheeled really solve them, and look
how it applies back to the rest of my life is so you would have a moon shot without actually go into the moon. Why? You know that Specifically, we want to do the stars, because if you pretend it is not for the stars, then people lose trust in some ways, but it's about capabilities. We can't set up alone. Date. Until you know some things like I've had people sort of say: well, what's the technology Roma I'll know, because we all know what the hell, the technologies have to be mean less be serious. We can have a capabilities man right, which we know certain things have to exist in order to do that trip and a lesson. Work on. The capabilities will reassess in ten years or twenty years are thirty years. And then you might be able to start this other thing it's really about. How do you try its form life on earth. How do you use this as a platform to push? Because again we, based on the moon.
Recent Heaven. This conversation and lunar base our Mars right. If there had been commitment and people understood how this could affect our world, but It's really again about the capabilities, creating a capabilities map and engaging people, no one organ, nation can do all of this. So if we can help to start to choose into the environment? You know the first thing to do. Was to get the wool out of it. That's a technical get the wool Otto. You know what it's like you Meda doesn't want to go to the stars. Ok, there's gotta, wait. The war will write so to really started to think. Why might this a reasonable proposition. Is but my task has really been to get other p will involve the changed, the way people think about things right? We do things. We have a coniferous award for excellence in interstellar right to criticise, friction in science fiction and end Nonfiction
how you tell the story is really important. How did you communicate the story can operate as one of the broadest stores and sky mostly from the southern hemisphere, thereby was navigational start examining civilizations colluding s, I think, is an advocate. National STAR. It was for People on land right away when the Norstar STAR and it's the star that use for deep space probes? Yes right now with one with the sun, and the other thing about cannabis. It was used for planting in in the cradle of human strength, in the great Rift Valley and people use it for or figuring out when planting season started and the interesting part aid is the star about which the spice planet orbits, eradicate, forgotten, sell by
in the novel do and now they're? So what we wanted to do when we chose that one is: is this incredible connection from our past to potential futures, because it really is about this longevity when we, when we look at all of this, it's really about who we can be in getting people involved, giving them a path forward that that that's what I believe I can help, uniquely with just from my perspective and my background, I'm comfortable with other folks. Come in, I like cats. I have a lot of cats at home, so I don't mind. Hurting cats cause I'm good at it. You throw your practice, practice practice feeding, cats, you're hurting me It causes dangerous. I have scars from it, but it's very well while venture, but really one hundred years. Starship is about
How do we really push for something better. How do we really do some saying that we don't know how to do it. I if you need more darker money. You say some of our top researchers established that on route to the nearest star, the aliens are gonna want to intercept our food supply, so we need weapons to take out the aliens. Then we'll just give you more money so that I do that no idea what to do with that. I was not ours. I didn't know that another do not protect the starship enterprise and STAR Trek. It's it's on a peaceful mission to explore new worth, but it's got photon torpedoes, it's got. It can kick some. If I asked you mean I bet with modest point, but what about their I'm just saying that its budget is like a gazillion dollars. You get this much of it and just
Keep the engineering that wild Emmy there, there is your right just say. Thank you. You welcome married method that I don't know, I'm gonna emanate extricate myself, but you know it's. This whole thing that we have to look at about when people talk about science based, Many times, see it as something that, outside of that year, that it does have anything to do with their world and yet so much of our world we're lookin, or how do we get out of these difficult situations and justice? The science and tag is going to take us out of it, but it's not it depends on who is involved and if I can do anything I should be able to bring people and get them involved when Look at it. I do a lot of work with sound science. Literacy I started
rational science canst my first came out and NASA is the first thing I did it start. International science can call the earth we share. Why? Because, I believe science literacy is vital. Science literacy is not become the next professionals, I ain't. It is about being able to read an article in a newspaper magazine and figure out what it has to do. You know how to vote relative to those issues able of. We asked people of all kinds of things right that have as science as a basis for it right? We to be able to do that. I tell people, you know you want your hair dresser tonight a la la ph guys don't go. But all the women do. You want your hair address didn't know about PH as it based balance as their putting the colors the personal relax. There's an all those things in your hair. We yeah. I've never had a conversation. My boy, but I could not write tat, is true right, but you also you you wanta folks,
who work in their gardens when there is sort of like drenching everything with insecticides, to understand step when we put statistics about folks health care. Right and all you ought to do this and you need to be your own health advocate. If you don't have any numeracy around this, what these statistics main and how to interpret it, how'd it behind the world is going to be an advocate for your own behaviour. Disenfranchised disenfranchise yourself right. You ve disempowered yourself and that's what are they it's really important. How do we get more people involved and people also have different perspectives when they come in. You asked different questions depending on what you, what you, via the experiences event, so will you are living example them. when I tell you one other reason why interstellar I love Mars, nobody doesn't look more love Mars,
think about Mars and the generations that are going to be working on these things. Even since we were kids, we ve had Then, on Mars, we ve seen Mars close up right. Everybody who also the people are alive today were born. After we landed on the moon is no big. What do you know why we all would have moon shot? You know that we went to the moon, You know what I talk the college's a year yet as call every like me saying, you know their airplanes when I was a little kid people living there. You know airborne jets. We worked with the joint Emerson, I'm leaving on a jet playing why'd. You have to specify that a jet plain was airplane because they were big deal at the time right at the judge. But for us as little kids as I as a plane, you know why are you thrilled about it so the ice? that the moon is something too far. Are that the more
Mars, is really got a push. We ve had stopped roving around on Mars. Is most people were born right? Up close, we did samples, vikings deaths, answers, not was it's not all it's not really. The next frontier is not MAX Frontier even go. I we that, and you know we saw the pictures of Saturn right ever when the first sign Saturn's Ringlets Saturn's relationship they ve seen us like this is like regular thing? Is it just the very essence of anger? Just google it by going outside of our solar system doing- something that we can't do? That's what grabs you? You know I will go to Mars and Harvey Ally, but it's not the most difficult thing. We can think of doing a good time for the final part of the show. Doktor Major Simpson had question for me about my experience as the director of New York Cities, Hayden Planetarium and we
chattered about why there's no substitute for hands on learning and why you prefer We still remember elementary school field. Trips check it out actually question I have is as the director hey planetarium. What do you consider some of them challenges in terms of public engagement and what kind of a platform does it give you two impacts safer ample students in New York City and their parents battle cry request, ok, ready!
as a museum with what would be true for any museum were competing with high value, high quality, video media that you'd have access to it home on your computer on your tv screen, and so the museum experience has to continually be something that absorbs your entire mind body and saw this early viscerally. So you walk in. Oh my gosh there's a meteorite. I can touch it what's this behind me. What's this above me and you engage all of your senses simultaneously, so that that kind of experience calls to you away from the tv screen or from your device is not virtual reality. Israel is reality and so from. I think it's the it's a challenge that museums.
I rise to not acquiesce to rise to, to create an unforgettable experience for anyone who visits no matter the age, and I look at kid. Second, graters come and hold school groups come in and I just watch them and yeah. That was me when I was a kid ok, so we we got, we still do we still at it. We still have this and it also remains true research Education has shown that we will remember school trips from elementary school research and education has shown that we all remember trips taken in elementary school long into adulthood. Don't you remember school trips, armies conference, a fat every one of them and if so, what is it? You're you're not looking at a textbook you're, not listening to a lecture. You are experiencing very until education, their expiry. That's that's what always woodwork
in this area and well. I can't do that then get out of the business the best way to tease. Ass his hands on is experienced by touching and feeling things and by watching it grow right and that's what so. I remember my trips amuse them. I grew up in Chicago sorrows at the good guys and industry natural. History museum, the planetarium that all of that- and you know it's just oh and even when I was an astronaut I I went to Chicago people get to say that even back when I was an astronaut, that's just a coincidence. I just want to pause and reflect on that sentence. Differ moment. Ok can do I went to the planetarium in Chicago and they applicant the annual of the United States- and they had this. Exhibit this hall where you went into, and they said it was. I can remember how they were the visual,
but you would have when you were cool. I can't remember if it was like you are a million miles from the sun and how it would just feel up. The entire view are, I don't remember, exact distance, but they had mere is indifferent things, and so I mean I was a national cool ran. I gotta go or not something that just sort of like touched me and Saddle MIKE this will certainly miles from the sun is only as far away from the sun as the sun is large. So you know the sun is like about nine hundred thousand miles across. So for me, miles from the sun. The studies have yielded everything you need to tell you that but vaporize instantly No, no. No. No. No. No, no, we actually have special she'll have so little seals or we're good, my remit, but it was chest you know it that hold this rule feeling that you can still be moved or when I go outside at night, like in the cities is so sad because
We don't see the stars the same way when I was a girl grown up in Chicago. I could see the stars. We don't see in the same way, but I've, never been in South Africa and staffing looked up at the stars out. I see the milky way and everything is this. What I did I get that say, feeling from now being under the ocean, are looking out a beautiful flower closer so virtual reality reality. Absolutely it's time to wrap up. This episode of start talk. I hope you enjoy listening to this conversation with the one and the only doktor May Genesis, if any of her contagious, passionate audacity came through on this protest in the world will be better off for it. For me, when I think the people who shaken move the world. Deep down within them the dreamers but it'll.
Things that have no connection to reality. There, there tap roots there, the tap routes in what is possible, but also branches that reach for what is yet to be discovered, for what is yet to be imagined by anyone before what genius is really It seeing what everyone of sees but thinking what no one else has thought you can, Listen to startalk radio and I've been your host Neil Degrasse Tyson, your personal astrophysicist and, as always, I'd be used to keep looking. Which you can listen. The star talk commercial, free, joint star talk on pay for as little as five dollars per month and the ads will disappear, learn more at patriarch dot com, slap, star, talk, radio
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