Geometry, physics and the other sciences describe the world we live in, and artists often play with these properties in their own imaginative investigations. From the drawings of Leonardo Da Vinci to high tech computer graphics, Neil and Lynne paint a picture of how science has inspired art through the ages.
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The universe is filled with secrets, mysteries, leaving us with many questions to be answered. Now, more than ever, we find ourselves searching for those answers as the very fabric of space science and society are converging here for the first time as we give you the knowledge that breaks the barrier between what is science and what is merely pop culture is this is start. Here's your house, astrophysicist doktor, email to harass Thyssen Community complex, start. Welcome back to start off. I am your host meal. The graph siphoned joining me might hoboes limp omelette, lend you been gone for two weeks. I now give you miss me. Yes, I do. I hope you will make you laugh wherever you were. I within Songbird Illinois, and I do think we pull up. I had a lot of our thinking and excellent work would welcome back to the show you my call both the whole way again. Nearly I miss you tell you know what I would like today to talk about the universe as it inspires the creativity of artists artist throughout time
an artist of all kinds, not only painters but sculptors and the like. That's very interesting,
I'd I'd like that, because I've no sight.
We hang out together and, and sometimes we're not
created as much as we would like to be.
Occasionally we see some of what we are handiwork reflected in the creativity of artists themselves and we set ourselves, maybe we're becoming me
stream. Maybe we're creative and we're not married.
Well love. We will need to take credit for that. Ok I'll, take credit for doing so
actually I've. I saw enough of this happened so a few years ago I wrote an essay for natural
we make is in call the universe as the artist me do. You have a family. Do you ever not you're, always rating? I wrote a book about one that will cause, I guess, but what I do. Ok inspired the symphony so
me. Oh I'm, I'm happy that I get off the couch both so
It was an essay cause. I was impressed by how often owes me huh
by artists to get the latest.
It's from the Hubble telescope were they wanted to find out the latest understanding of the big bang or black holes or Mars, so they can paints a seen. Something inspired by mean, even as a comic you now, artists tend to liquidate where people
all artists, whether its rider comedian, the visual artists? Even we tend to look at
whole world. We look at everything over under I, I just don't think science was being that portfolio until recently. Scientists is part
the world is definitely pardonable affected, shapes the world, and so I think science has come
a modern way in terms of being felt by the general public and so
Let's see what bill I has to say bill he's. My boy bill. You know bill is bill. He's got a set, the tone.
He's a shaky romantic man
they'll give it a bill, lie the science guy here when you think of a planet in your minds. I, what do you see? Many of us see sadder, but no one could envision such a thing until astronomers, starting with Galileo, drew sketches of this and other world. I've seen Saturn Ring Saturn broaches Saturn Ladys Pumps, dress shoes with jeweled Saturday's instead of both sexes, that with images of distant stellar clouds and our so called nearby world, we can make planetary art from photographs. If you ve never taken a bit of time with the Voyager spacecraft, pale blue dot must and thanks to a spacecraft named after another astronomer Cassini, you can see our world through the thin rings of another. You can see the earth beyond the wings of Saturn Back
by the sun. It's a photo its astronomy, but for me it's inspiration its art. This is build. I hoping that after we're done start talking, you do a bit of start looking at the wars inspired by distant worlds and heavenly wonders very deep down. I move deepen one man, that's a bill, my minute for you raised in our fears, and you know what
Think of the first of the artist to beef
Let me cite everything: why are we going to take you out for you gotta, it's gotta be Leonardo, Leonardo Da Vinci. There's no knob
nobody like him before or since May his again
who who was
on top of science, he was all over engineering. Who is our architecture and oh, by the way he painted often suffer this guy.
It is to do experiments in fish physics. Experiments that word physics in quite evident was defined back then, but he would do it
events in motion and weights in and wait now he did.
For his art? Well,
I don't know if it's forests art, but he did it.
In a way that then influenced
I don't know if that was the point of why he did these experiments? He was a smart, curious guy he's morning curious you play with, and that is why this guy's been activated both sides of his brain. Yes completely. If you did like one of these scams on his brain would be firing at every every cubic against that was in their great guided date,
The comment, I think he's gonna. Just I'm just saying some of these guys in history, I got would be a good like Galileo may point friend dimension as well. He's ok, because he be too distracted by his own thoughts rather than by you, and I like someone who's the like his manipulated. Is that would not happen. We reserve nobody, but tell me more about him. So so first is considered one of bringing people who ever lived, and you look at his writings all these subjects that he took geology physics by
gee and rum aside. He he was a painter right and so what one of my favorite
about you? Do you know about his eye? He drew a first.
Model for a helicopter
It turns out. It wouldn't work if you actually built but he's thinking about flying he's talking about
by an end
just think. How would it be great if I had wings and flew like a bird is actually trying to draw a machine that can make that hasn't? He was one in four people started with machinery. Yes, yes, to bring machinery to the to the task of
de as Ravin. Just imagine if you had wax wings like like Icarus, trying to fly to the
he says. Look, do you need some machines to do an that's more like? I would do so. So you ve
at this end,
would Leonardo he's he's he's he embraced almost
and with all that knowledge it infused into his artistic our
how did it impedes undesirable to do? Well? Ok,
Did you did you know that he probably not
Ok, so he heap he basically pint what he didn't invent perspective
something that's been around since ancient Greece, but it got lost, they got lost.
Until the renaissance, a renaissance, his friend
a rebirth and so sorry burn Leonardo is in the renaissance? Yes, he was the seaworthiness show. My ignorance. Ok do until then, let's, let's go back a minute. So let's go back like the Greeks and Egyptians and always gonna be all right for it. Ok, Egyptians! When they do hieroglyphics, they were flat, you're, all those due to flat right right.
Richard. You look like the flat, but you never see like a three quarter face of an egyptian right always liked side. I assume lock and into the distant running right by none of that their flat so than they were Arras plenty like anyone that land and they went so they were flat rate. And then there is the absence of perspective that immigrant went then who the Greeks, while so they have perspective
yeah. Well, so so so perspective comes in, but it doesn't really take off right, discovered they know about it,
its use in the architecture right, it's there, but you don't. You don't see paintings that
full use of this until the renaissance and
my point is that the physical principles of light and optics in
ray tracing in and in the
dementia. He was. He studied the laws of physics,
They were not known as laws of physics back then, but he wanted to know how things balanced and how things would look if they were
imbalance, because if you draw something that Europe I in brain told you doesn't quite look right either
but it's convincing to you, so you want to make sure you understood how things work I took part in college. My mother is an honest as a kid. I remember one thing she always use made me: do they make you do this than our class and in school if they may,
college they'd make you look at what you thought you saw and what you really saw. That's what it sounds like you're saying, like can sometimes what you think you say
is not without actually were put. Your brain is messing with what what it is. You thought you saw and he's trying to get the basic data there. So he gets it right. I'm alone makes me squint, do not always quaint tissue
It really is no, who we have for this week's start talk I spent some
with Peter MAX
you know Peter Merge, member per from the, and he still around these pop pop artist,
Did you know, he's deeply inspired by a cosmic fiend? I wouldn't be surprised,
yeah. Let's check out with Peter MAX had to say
Peter understand the universe inspires. You is at a recent phenomenon, or is it go far back? It started when I was about ten as seventy years old living in China
and I was NEA Tibet and I met an older man who
start talking. We do know about the stars and planets, and I had no clue in everyday would talk about it and by
the time I think five six ten days went by it's all. I would think about what
go to sleep dreaming about a shocking about it took only a week for it to just infiltrate year, be undermined and bought jumpstart that and believe in that it just grew and grew and grew. There's not a single day in my life, where I'm not pre
occupied with things about
and its stars the universe. What is this whole thing,
the data goes by without think about. I would
up in the morning and it's amazing like some cause,
alarm clock thought it opens
my eyes. They think about the universe. I don't
the bed I'm sleeping in. I don't care,
What date is I don't you
but today I did what you what is I have to do today, the first
is the universe, the cosmos, then I gotta com is down and
my she'd, what I gotta do today. The first thing is the universe, so you ve got a bad idea
bad. You gotta, do you got it so bad is get yeah. It's unbelievable! That's why? When I'm with you see on tv talk to you even hear your name, forgive me, but I,
it's so inspired by that he's so nice to me again
maybe he says, that's that's beautiful you're his muse. He didn't have to say that without there was so nice, so bitter monopoly. The view member Peter Maxie won't always love posters from the sixties and and and and it's like he was it, the artist of a generation. But my guys, you still see all a t. Shirt set, have the peace and in your heart to heart and big hard city and on how to say what it. But he said I thought was so sweet about
king up and how the universe inspires him like he doesn't think about his bed. That's what I'm
like artists who says need because they think in such a bigger and bigger canvas the universe. I think of inspiration aka this infinite. I wondered at night. I want, if any listeners where, if anything about science or space inspires them, either artistically or otherwise. I noticed
there's me and I'm a scientist inspires Peter MAX and inspiring.
Me and then he's an hour and an end Lynn, and I mean how something like an artist
with divinity. Some of us might cause we're sure I got him alive in five star talk give us what inspires you from art, and I mean from from science. Let us move, because there are many people,
who are inspired, who are creating or who are making a difference in this world, and I'm
armed by that because, like
to see artist get mainstreamed in that way if it becomes a subjective of artists to see signs
get mainstreamed in that way with science
the subject of artist. I think science has arrived in the culture in the ways that no one had ever imagined for it.
But look at me north about scientists being called didn't want Leonardo did to try to become a better artist. What did
it didn't he's drawing people, and so he dug up cadavers.
Doug them up, peeled them.
Open to its gross, but if you committed to your heart, you'll do whatever it. What did you tell them up and seeing this is again we give with dead what do they care they're dead? Who general downward did the same thing and heating get credit for being a look, as you said, the same thing he held them. First, that's different relocating, killed for the already dead, only just dogma, let's find dogma that who's gonna know dogma, peel back to scale. Look. We looked at how the muscles came together, how they form he wants to know what was going on beneath the skin of his subjects. Will then another happenings of it now at body with which I haven't seen it, but I've read about God downright Kitty. Knockers I want to go. I wanna take my kids to see it, so they can see that there might be other eight and twelve in the cradle. Wanna see that right. We need a completely creeped by it, but I'm a dragon kicking and screaming. So they can see what bodies or are you really its human physiology, and if you create little serial killers that sometimes it so
That's maybe the modern Verger taken them. Madam two sides actually we're all the normal rights belong right now. So the problems,
here it here's what interesting had if we
the bodies exhibit, which is in a lot of the big cities across the country right now where they have their. They have people
what are we alive shown,
out their skin, and you can see how the muscles and all the rest of the body parts come together in different poses and shapes, and really, I think it's really like a serial killer. Disneyland we're not creepy,
a demented serial killer. Disneyland. Yes, because spiritual just kill people yet
demented enough to order the skin
and see what the muscles are doing, but I do understand why they would like Leonardo what it does give bodies exhibit existed back than you wouldn't have to dig up cadavers. That's where can I just
I think a national Jake. As you know, all my knowledge of everything, this from your tells us something and National Geographic where they had found these terrorist act of worker and they
then everything they had found the fossil skeleton and they ticket and aid that they put the skeleton through.
Scan all right. I was really tired, but there was nothing inside, of course, because it was the skeleton right, but they they could then drew art artistic pictures of
and then they could figure out what would have gone in their rights. What was
do you guys gonna call? You don't have a pterodactyl cadaver little cadaver, so you do the best. The next best thing you can what's missing. That's hey figured out, and you know these, these bodies that are in the exhibit their preserved, though there are different ways you can preserve human flesh and one
as you know, to deepen and acetone rightly get
the problem with terror, and I'm just so. You know, and then they have to sort of keep
Then they have to buy, keep it keep it shape. So they,
use it with silicone, which then hardens the tissue so that they can stay on display, like PAMELA Anderson
she's a woman.
I don't want her body. Weight is silicone. I d
that leaves the arena power, so they
not need to be prepped if they were donated their body to this exhibit is at present what you're saying cause they. You know that Dupree
aid for the exhibit undertaken there may last for a long time, nobody around with roaches and cheese and twinkies. Don't
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a couple weeks, I'm so happy haven't back, maybe it'd be back now now before we move on, I want to go back to Leonardo Da Vinci firm in an irregular talking about bodies and the bodies exhibit
I got bodies to get them artistic form of withdrew and then on the brake. They limit imam. The bodies exhibit now during the break down, they needed told me a little of something that I don't know, which was the desert prisoners like.
These were told that the bodies on display in in the bodies exhibition, which has shown in many cities now who are, were not necessary-
people who donate their bodies to this cause that they were the bodies are prisoners, that's better than
Let us put, it became a move, a little controversial, because the prisoner might not have had a choice in the matter. Who cares? He was a prisoner in Hampshire, saying I've done up just not voting for sides here, I'm just saying that it may be
controversial as it was in Leonardo Day when he's digging up cadavers, nobody had ever so when he was taken about. Yes, he wants you dig up a body and embodies a sacred burial ground in a church yard or wherever people were, of course, but people than people
Then it does not always doing he did in the north a late at night. You, women, insistently made nothing Parma and you don't
the most famous illustrations from Leonardo Here- is that you don't have the virtue VIII and man have you ever seen? They dragged along with a man in a circle square, exactly exactly hot this.
Everything. Ok, I never thought of it. That way, just like a little homunculus inside of a silence life on Saturday and everything got cheese, victorian, that's true! Yet workers is drawn by people who, like muscles men, I've never been to Pittsburgh,
I know that there is no absent had no you just performer if you re a great sports teams, but no ads the sports players have we have not the not the viewer, yes, so just gonna be on the next. Like the tourist model,
principle. No ebbs, don't worry candidates burned,
taught them en masse
here's what you get into trouble, because if you, if you
I've, been aesthetic, no ok, but if you want to believe that somehow the human,
There is some epitome of aesthetics
she's. What went into the maturity, man and so
You will all remember this image. Is this man with his arms outstretched and his legs slightly?
parted, and it's a perfect circle drawn around him and the arms?
touching the edge of the circle and its feet.
The bottom of the same, this isn't just are, this was to prove something. It's prove that the human form had some aesthetic beauty to it, because the circle was a thing of beauty and
in the center that circle. You know it was there his we
not spelled it now
what we know, I'm sorry what we learned about. What was that
people dont have those proportions. It was assumed that your dear distance from fingertips, fingertip equalled your height.
And in those considered the ideal form, and then you actually measure people and some people
shorter summer, long minor, actually especially long some people
what we have a high ape index. It's what's written joked about if you arms a really long, compare to your body height, my arms
for longer than my height,
touch her nose sitting right where I am right now, you know why, because you know so the point is now you don't now. Did you measure them measure my arm? The distant from finger to two fingertip Euro area is eighty four inches, and so that's
I'm just telling you that that's it
not everybody, I'm not alone, and though he don't have it, they are now right. There is mine and yeah, but proliferates portion is he's just a bigger circle. Everything would be in proportion so that didn't really turn out the way anyone had hope, but it remains an eye. Conic vision,
remains an iconic vision of what humans would have looked
and then there is this thing with the golden ratio. Remember that many people have heard of it, but don't quite remember it as a mathematical forte, what it is mathematically more interesting artistically, a reality
Oh really, mathematics is not more interesting than art room had suddenly why they are. So, if you take a mind segment
split it exactly half. If you wanted right, let it be happened here, but if you'd
split in half and make one saying when a little longer than the other. Ok, you want to cut
into two pieces where ape
Us be divided, but I may be a minute tell me my day plus be divided by B.
Is in the same ratio as aid to be as be as to a now. That's what it is arithmetically
so now you can write it out, isn't equate is one plus the square to five divide?
by two to one lies items.
Sorry, I didn't want to be disrespectful, but I'm innocent myself in the face of you keep what what does this mean? I'm just saying so, if you, if you do the math, you get a ratio of one to about one point: six, in other words back then back there.
If you designed form,
you design it so that the base was one point six units long enough.
It was one unit high and that would feel aesthetically pleasing to you now
while the golden ratio. Oh that's right now that,
you know they done lately. They many of you that, with their fate, exactly the measuring people's faces, the width of the face in the height of the face in the nose to the eyes of the map and the claim is those people were those measurements.
After the golden racial or consider more beautiful than I was going to say, that's very creepy because that's good like them and began a cat,
saying how to get those people and more perfect while could that this budget than one where they make to genetically your offspring. She choose one that has more golden ratios and then more people will think you attracted that's not fair either because it indifferent cultures in different places. The ratios are going to be different right,
I'll, make a view. Gonna Africa. Facial features are gonna, be different than visual features, maybe in certain parts of the challenge Eastern they claim they ve done it for people all around the world and everyone focus is back on this golden ratio. I am, I am suspicious of it, but but I'm just reporting
what they said. It is fascinating that there might be some scotch and inadequate level areas like that
might be some genetic propensity for that like it
You know about the normal
that in its divinities most famous paintings, what do you know? It is most famous painting? I don't do this to me me me. First
The Mona LISA, of course I have
in my room she looked like a did. You have a copy of the Mona LISA with
one. I mean I've really three before Congress not way traffic has lost me another sharpening marker on the wall, so I don't think the real Mona LISA my apartment. So what should be able to Matthew into you you just like it
well you know they found they were able to study the painting you can expose it to a certain wavelength. Have liked penetrates the top surface of paint
You can see a whole other paint a whole illustration below. It is rumoured that that was a a self portrait of Leonardo himself. That was the first
tempt whatever he was doing on their hands out any painted like his his inner Mona LISA. What is that? What you think you are
like a did. She was like a bit. I didn't know that advantageous that it. But yes, she does look. I get a look at our every morning to his right of night in front of my bed secondary yearbook. Okay, so sweet did so that Leonardo and Drag is what you're. Sorry, I'm just saying like there was a review back then, but, but you get his she's got Kenema thick link, forehead,
she's kind of class. I gotta look again. I gotta look again to check it out. I rise in areas
put it in a review- is Edwin Vegas
so we asked you listening to start talk radio and for this episode I spent some quality time with Peter MAX pop artist. For the night
six, these any still added right on through today
let's see what more he has to say about how the universe has inspired him. He didn't.
We are part of something that is so enormously big. You know when you
What about the model
it wasn't one glass of water. There mom
accused one glass of water than the Uclaf glasses. A war on planet earth well that law.
That you gave me bothers feed
me for the next six months. I want to think about this at least once a day. I love it so much
happy to be or fuel supply? So let me you are you? Are you more influenced by science?
directly or is there, but a philosophy that folds this science there's the mystery of the science, because there is so much more. We don't know than we do know, and we do know a lot and so that we must
probably not know a billion times as much, but his
wonderful, what we do know, but I was also lucky in nineteen sixty six. Just about the same time, I'm at a Swami a holy man from India, so you would use pure science as your source of objects and imagery. But the philosophy is a me:
of how you would interpose them,
Yes, it was nice through meditation. I was able to get very, very
peaceful and quiet, but through looking at the Universal get excited, and so,
The first is where the art world lived ass, Peter MAC.
He just so in tune
his own sense of art and self in science he sounds like like a cool hippy guy liked very late
down. The recent com becomes me just like this. If you ve got one of these calming forces it so it so it's so beautiful.
The two of you are like her glass. A warm welcome,
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establishing an environmental scientists, but I like our attitude and inspired by environmental science, we haven't better
the guy here in Panama Hamburger station, and this really cool exhibit on hyperbolic, and
you guys we're talking about active right. Well, that's about flat, clean as a damaging, apparently bear a kind of damage that that was guided. Striding mathematician Creek, robotic
Did you like it up here and taken by their catches?
Lincoln and seven Cornell mathematician figure had a model that geometry cricket.
Finally that spending on banana competed, actually hyperbolic geometry. I've gotten,
in incredible kind of landscape objects with
Could you could you know they exhibit at Bergamo occasion when children are going around without mittens, because the crochet effort of going to our I love crochet in its very difficult, but it does have a lot of that spiral and it is very interesting. So are you saying the crochet use of the natural artistic way to express these forms in nature
that we will have a very cool, it's or anyone near Santa Monica go check it out. Definitely that's also interest him in a liquor it up. On nine thank unions. I humanity! I you know what I like about. You is because of your using yarn or whatever the ways which you use a rope to crochet. That is also going, that's great,
for studying the body too, because it is like tendons and muscle or how to who hates together how it asshole enemy twisted and make it do things that you can't do it just charcoal, and so you springs in perspective. You use your and as a substitute for muscle, it brings them
Now I have lots of current shaping happens at home. There is one other thing about perspective. Another very famous painting is the last supper.
Suffered, Madame either by the chief Jesus, is last supper and
upper rather than dinner. I was nine qualities as a minor party I did or leather mandatory. As a dinner party, I mean, if you look at that there, the lines of perspective that reach what they call a vanishing point and
Your point is where all the lines that would,
our horizontal in a room or in a painting end up focusing down. In the backdrop of
painting and focus right
This is I you.
There are various wherever you are in the painting. The lines take your right to the centre of his face,
so the those the
now when you, when you're, dying or painting perspective, a vanishing point is that, from one of the first things you you draw us,
but you can because everything else everything herds after that work since it exactly so. That's very interesting that the vanishing points of that was no accident that the vanished and pointless do this. As I know, accident at all and pushes twelve dinner guest, he was the centre and the whole thing we re, because we have a tweet above you can treat us at start, talk radio. We have a tweet
someone asked. Do you think George?
Oh keeps paintings or a combination of science and art
everytime older flower flowers. They ve come on every sign of wires, innovator flower, they're, not flowers, get them please.
Into those powers there, not just fire. You know what meal? Ok, ok, I'm just
I'm just annoys me about petrol, sometimes a flower as this reply. Well sometimes it needs you to look for the Jews spot on its soil.
Oh out somewhat we're saying. As Georgia O Keefe took the floor,
whereas the southwest
folded them with her knowledge of human anatomy, to create a whole new expression.
Who are the way to communicate with the view? I think what George O Keefe and many artists do great artist do is that they are very. It may make you look at something a different way. They make. You see the other possibilities in it than that
all right, I'll, give other possibilities.
I basically in order did that I think all the great artisan painters and- and they have all done- that and writers- they ve taken things that everybody looks at every day and they they ve twisted it and so do other sides to it. We got him
between their asking is the golden ratio, which we talk about a moment ago, only
aesthetics who is
it is of the health of an organism,
that's a fascinating worry quenched him. What a genius is there, we might families not turned in it. So, though,
good about. That is if, if these, if that is that, if the static is a hard wired into our brain- and we are doing
my beauty that way, and then you turn ill or you
It happens to your bodily form of words on me. One way and if you turn ill than your body starts taking shape that does not fulfil that golden ratio.
You, because you look less attractive to others is a fascinating concept there so
maybe it is hard won angry suffered. So much so. My question I dont know the answer to that, but it's an intriguing like our arouse. That's exactly your beer bone started to becoming misshapen and you no longer fulfil the golden ratio arriving. There should be a gull dimension for different ages.
It should be like a silver ratio, platinum ratio dislike the average, but your average wait to be whenever it has been a here's. The right the celebration, that's an excellent excellent for the platinum excellent thought. We got some more of my interview with Peter MAX. I was in his studio in New York City.
And if this huge studio, where its he's still painting he still doing it.
The guy is still do I get to go to this work
Peter men who didn't, let's see what more Peter backs has to tell me.
While I was a realist, started painting realism like Michelangelo
I couldn't get any work I did, they would know. Galleries were interested in it, no museums, nothing,
and I used to sit in a little cafe-
back then, was almost like what is a Starbuck today now what
my astronomical drawings every day, because I loved it and I have-
maybe a hundred little drawings with me in one day in order
she said to me- peter-
since then a bottom portfolio- and I got all its
think as I was shy, I was realised that was a classical guy is at the top of your portfolio. Is all your realistic now was very like Michelangelo. I wanted to be revered as
I got was because I was so good and realism anyhow and when they sit me, what's isn't a bottom you put forward? I said: no, it's nothing. It's nothing insisted I dig it out and when
Look that he went. Oh my god, the stuff looks unbelievable.
Guys fellows again,
come over here see what this guy does and I walked out of there for the first time in my life, with fourteen projects that pay
like you know, if you few dollars each, which was today like a few thousand aids
it when I deliver them about the ten days later, I walked out of there with twenty two projects and in the next one thousand eight hundred and twenty
I once sixty six gold medals in art and design for my creativity in for me,
I suddenly realized that the stuff I was doing, which was he's cosmic
characters and cosmic stars and costs,
big runners in all these.
Arrogance with wings. They
entered only because of my interest, and in the spring
I invented characters. They lived there that really weren't anything. I could see.
In the regular world, sought fair to say that the universe birth, your career as an artist completely, so you want to be a great artist study, the universe, that's the emptiness,
I recall that that's his inspiration, you're and so good. Rather it doesn't have to be the universe in particular, but I think
fair, to say that
You can be a new kind of an artist or as an artist. You can reach another dimension of reality. If you come to it with some kind of science, literacy,
I think it is fair, but I think the only thing that our show keeps bringing up is science makes you asked questions it keeps you ask
The inquest, enabling mainly to creative person, keeps asking questions that keeps broadening their in their view of things.
What happened to him. He kept asking questions and kept creating these characters and people both on much of french ideas, its actual this math, even beyond the golden. The golden ratio.
We talked about earlier, there is algebra
there's, a branch of the matrix, remove.
Some are being built around this whole thing now exactly and theirs. It there's a branch of Forehold LINEAR algebra, which is
It's not your normally agree that in in high school, but did not even take classes, ended in college, where
this reading computer games that are enable because of a huge mathematical engine, that's driving them. Oh yeah, I guess,
the note so that our grand theft, auto
I don't know it's a dying man. You can tell a whole, instil a car.
I have checked the math engine on that on that of that
particular footing, but it allows and what it does is to try to create it.
A virtual world for you that you move through in a few stealing cars in it, find that your virtual world, but the
Spected that changes as you run down the street and as door
is open, it card
show up. They have to calculate I now at every split. Second, what the new seem looks like as you try,
through them and when it will look like if you do this, moreover, that exactly they don't know what you're gonna do. What you're gonna do next would have to be ready for that nets. Computing power, enabling a lot
clapped him later when you dive in the water of the centre in the ocean in Guyana, music stopped gonna be lower across on no she's way to act.
She would I go ahead. I gotta admit I'd like the movie, when I don't even like Jane Video Game is very active in annoying. At one point I just started dumping amplify here is what concerns me, as well as an actress aspiring actress in economic
Susie I now computer graphic imaging is really taking over. I went to see bolt the three D universe, three
with my friends. Does the with a dog yeah I sons and on after grab little
it's from out of nowhere signing these movies are not look scary but, and I went
It was great, but when I was a kid three d movies we're not as intense as they are now I mean they're so realistically and as an actress who started Bobby mean the Elk then started thinking wow. When are we going to fade out like the way talkies took?
Were silent, fell right right, I'm finally getting acting roles, and I'm done
on people here. You draw people and Adam at animate them in three d and then they will need you anymore. Isn't there a chance that regular actors and actresses economical
we hope they can do. They can fully scan your body in various motions and then fully get you to read like a homeless.
Slovenia of words. Then they have all evil, capillary devalue body motions and they can just cast units really animated for my native anymore. No doubt you just sort of so your body that one time and then their used, you get use later on another people, and I listened the sharing out of scares you because you're waiting tables and you're thinking what now call us at eight seven, seven five star talk if you would have been out of a job, is having some of the science of the when it comes into the creative farm scares maybe have like frigate.
But I dont like new digital phone. I hate it
Did you know that digital some verses, like sixteen millimeter, owing all current, should everything on digital? Now, all of us- and I don't want to see people would lines in their face. I can see that in a mere myself. I want pretty people
When the old greeny imaging. I want the barber Walter's lens that looks like it's got vaseline over. That's what
our focus lens. Thank you. Well, you know
harder for years. You know it's,
Can I make you nervous autocratic, like I'm, never going to be on the view what is Linda, I know we're we're gonna, go to break and were to come back. We're givers call when it seven seven five star talk
we're treatable at star, talk, radio and we'll be right back in time of photography in the universe and how that inspired. Whole generations of artists and movements, social movements simply because of images we obtain from the night sky, seen a moment
green space and sat down to earth you're listening to start.
Start heart. Radio, Neil Thyssen, on the line here we got link conflict microbial hello. We ve got a collar Poland, twenty seven, seven, five star talks with our
question has scientist. I question about the relationship between science and art and
who is the mused for whom we have Rick from L, a Rick, your live on startup high rank.
Well, thank you are doing good. Are you don't stay there?
thank you for what you got was with you here, you Talkin about how how science is inspired,
over the years, and I just want to you a think of any examples where are inspired sites
Oh that's my evening,
Well, thank you
Yeah, I mean he's the best. I could do for you there for them
before the era of photography when people none,
its had telescopes, and they wanted to be able
tell others about what they saw. They had to draw what they saw, so they needed and artistic talent just to communicate their science to other people and if they were not good at it there,
they be showing something that was not really what they saw to other people.
And that would confound any attempt to
have a sort of a level headed assessment?
What was going on, but also the constellations that, firstly, the they came up with, what the stars they
with pictures class yeah, but there's no science anywhere in that. No there's just no snarls. Well, if no with no they're they're connect, the dots points
Maybe they are. There are scientific subjects themselves, but
Things will only learned much later long after
drawing pictures with them. It takes a wreck, the class dancer
I don't really know no living not only offer little insight. I can say that artists not to speak for artists, casino clay, myself
among them over my brothers and artist. I can
they all artist, I know, are driven often if not
the time by some aesthetic and if these
That is the drives. The
fuels their attempt to create a form, and I can tell you what
our hesitation, the
as a scientist. We approach the universe, we approached and
sure world with a similar expectation that what we're going to discover is something aesthetically, pleasing something beautiful something,
that will make you say that is nature at its finest, and so I can
tell you that we share,
common driver, but
they're, not there's some art there?
inspired a scientific discovery. It may be that it doesn't it every time out. What kind of aren't you tired now because we have already discussed and they show that there are found that have probably in television programmes like STAR Trek that have inspired
Exactly so? What happens? There is the
worn out or trigger someone to be interested in a subject that cause it. It affects them in an emotional way and then they become charge and that we want to learn about the science so that Spain is now only detect. Ok, combine told so Rick thanks for call it in
thanks like you, and we still, we shall have some more from Peter MAX Peter Peter MAX. You got love em.
Like you said when he has set such a soothing voice. I listen to him all day Venus by TAT. Remember him
I feel really smooth. Let's see what more he's got to us out.
In Cleveland. I had, I show away,
wake up in the morning. It's in and I go back to sleep and I wake up again about ten thirty and thirty flopping
the tv set and sunny see. Neil Thyssen was catchy pants.
The past his knees, squatting down lifting up a handful of sand and saying you see all the sand, there are ten thousand.
Beaches in the
world. They like ten or twenty miles long and then
such another big,
a full of sand and he said as its running
whose fingers he said for every grain of sand that we have on these ten thousand beaches D amour,
planets in the union
and I mean all my god. I can't
this is so big it. So
gigantic? That's all
A grains of sand in ten fell.
Beaches that I, like probably
feet deep and ten to twelve.
they are more planets. In is the first thing I looked
but my phone I found
you'll, Thyssen's phone number
I call them up and opposite is this real? He said to you. He said to me it's probably bigger than why,
onto a bone, your mind without drugs,
what you think about it is like there's nothing. That's nice
be blown away by
then the cosmos, the universe, these complete, unbelief
the fact that exists in the morning
think about it, the more you dream about the moisture
making sense, and you still know that you're just as little microscopic
little thing in the universe. Thinking
all the bigness, the
the largest thing I mean, isn't it. You know that because of this thing they call this
bring theory. They think that
could be other universes. Other couple
the ideas that led to the idea that there could be a multi verse and we're just one bubble within an uncountable number of other costs. Just like would hobble discovered the first
you galaxies exactly as they discovering maybe more universities philosophically the same thing, because back then we imagine it was only one galaxy and then he discovered a universe of galaxies yeah you gotta them and thus must be place. You can hide. It is too big
too big to imagine, and sometimes you gotta take a tranquilizer, the comedy
I saw amazing, ok now. I didn't think this could happen that Peter Maximum,
like you more real. So I got
dibs from Peter MAX, and now he ass makes his hand even call
I didn't know he go off on that. That way, I was just trying to get some sleep it you could in some content for ourselves, but I didn't know that.
Amazing influence in person- and that's really me, you know, I have a homeless person in my neighborhood who says I really in Spain.
That was not on the sidewalk.
Visited you the other day you, whereas these big, crazy Erika biology, wraps and our hair sulphur,
If you can inspire people, remember if you don't know you are, but in the nineteen
one thousand nine hundred and sixty eight APOLLO, eight went to the moon. It didn't land but actually circle the moon and came back and took a picture of earth rise above the lunar landscape.
Little that happened today, but certainly seen that photos called right by the way.
Not rise on the moon, because the moon doesn't rotate compared to the earth. So earth is always in the sky so that that the picture
is is misrepresents what actually happens on them. It rose because there in orbit around the moon when they took the picture, that's what that say.
Things, but not to say it is an international everything. That's great things is the moon, camera different, then irregular hammer, the bigger and more expensive and take better pictures and most cameras you'll ever senior. What do you have? No, I don't know you
So what I'm saying is that picture? Who that showed earth without any lines of continents or states or cities? It would just this blue orb juxtaposed as
part of the scenery of another world transformed?
understanding of our place in the universe and the modern green movement is traceable to that photograph, and so there is theirs.
Intervene photograph that became iconic art that in
what's the generation of people to take action. I just had to share that ring now
Hubble images, and things are that is that the same kind of camera out Hubble go to digital camera, there's a regular sort of film camera back in the days of APOLLO hate and now huddled pictures it is digital. Is it's a very
Hence a version of the detector. That's in the camera that all of us have the digital cameras that we all use. It's gotta CCD charge coupled device camera so
the? U S, I'm just telling you you ask. I did I volunteered at you and I love you ask it.
The Hubble photos are. Are today's generation
exposure to the rest of the world and its are better
digital pictures are far superior, is a more accurate that their day takes the farce of bananas romance tat. While you I'm a lady in terms of romance, you know, there's a scene in the thin the Carl Sagan film contact. You saw the first fundamental we Jody Foster was taken by the aliens into their distant land, she's, looking at it so beautiful and what she says she says crises without she speechless
the beauty of it all. She says they should have sent a poet. That's that's just that's political, poetical or political. Whatever
Just the other day, I now I'm a big fan, I'm not Peter Man, even a watch. What you say, I'm on a big fan of Ngos, starry night, oh yeah,
it's been inspired, songs, everyone, S Orient or no NEA Neo- has the starry night stuff all over his office,
everywhere. They pillows books, but she's great. It's beautiful
and was the cover of one of my books too.
Because it's a start age, an artist who he could
Inga, painting, sleepy village, I own horse argument. We find out what can it new stars in the sky? It's about the sky, not about agreeing, so the man came through I'm totally with you on that and then
art that, in spite of that, the ceiling of the of grand central terminal do now
yeah. You took me there and the ceilings me yeah. Why? You didn't me
Take you there's a grand central terms that now never really looked up at tea time. Oh that's different
so that ceiling. Did you know that all the stars are backwards? That pissed me off?
and you ve got it out or that guy's not forgot to poor he'll you from nineteen, twelve french artist, I think he'd be.
Not sufficiently scientifically literate
oh, that the image of the sky he was looking at in a map was the reverse of what he had to put on this on the ceiling like you might have been dyslexic. Now that you are happy that dyslexic Dyslexic is flip
few letters are few were not an entire sky, so there's no excuse. I dont forgive him at all one if you set at head and you
with those hobbled photos, some of the college or vivid there, they they can
cause that you would see if your eyes were huge and if you're
retina were sensitive to the filters that the Hubble telescope,
you wouldn't necessarily see what hobble sees you would
However, if you ve got, if you can
to your eyeballs in the way we turn the Hubble telescope. I don't give,
What does that mean? That means the colors that I think I see and there are not because it really coming up in space.
You ve had special eyeballs. You would see that where he would see just the way we have feeble eyeballs so in space
When I see if I was in spacecraft, Canada wouldn't look, I've had not given up or something else there was commenced with your eyeballs, but an Hubble. We want to send aggravating, while I'm sorry, but it's just you know what happens
I make up before they get photographed. It's not what you really look like it, something else. I'm just like
You know, but if you were there on the planet, would it look like that
It would look like Mars, really read yes,
You look like you get angry with me.
We have one whatever witless go fast, clip of Peter MAX our final clip within which you, what more yes to tell us about how he's been inspired by science and mathematics?
When you make an animated film, I
in spite of the earlier, and this film has a lot to do with the universe in its with. Like you know us
sadly connecting with another species from far far away who have
some common interest with us and it's him
beautiful to musical its aid
two hours ago,
about maybe half we three through designing it, conceiving it anymore,
go to some of my friends in Hollywood and see how it
get it made. While we go get you back when then comes out his listen
Peter MAX. It's been great, haven't you answered our talk and thanks for your hospital
inviting me into your studio, where inundated by paintings ready to fall on me. This place is
this place. You need like three more floors of this warehouse. Thank you. Thank you. We just have a couple flows. He went about on paper, but it
my playground I in the morning, I can't wait to get here at night. I don't believe that
all jobs should be Peter MAX, thanks for being honest, are done?
Peter. Don't you
about what you love all the guess that I have on on the interview him. I don't want to use my new favour. Ok in time. I guess that's me. I really really often so. Did I don't if you know that NASA is not unmindful of the fact that art matters in our culture and society, so they did not just fight
pilots fly boys and scientists they send into space, and I
Well, no little son arson space, not yet, but there's a dozen arts in space programme where
Its are invited to capture some
discoveries of NASA voyages of NASA and whatever is there artistic means of expression?
and it was started in nineteen sixty two and if commission artist such as Norman, Rockwell and and others in it, and it chronicles the history of space exploration through the eyes of artists
and others and is more than two thousand works of art by three hundred fifty artists in their archive tat. Any listen! Next week, this evaluation next week
we need everyone wants, adjourn rivers rose, Joan. Rivers is being well she's, a body of yours either my dear friend and she's on our. So next me a yes indeed, thanks to your connection, I could have never had
how much time she's an icon of community she's gonna be ripping on all the science that we're trying to take seriously and tell us where that fits in where it says you ve been listening to start talk, radio sunny hunted by the National Science Foundation will see you next. We keep looking up
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