“Keep Looking Up” has a different meaning when Neil deGrasse Tyson and Eugene Mirman turn a speculative, scientific eye towards Unidentified Flying Objects.
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Welcome back to start ready on your hopes, NEO the grass Thyssen, I'm an and the director York, cities, Hayden, planetarium join this week by comedian, Eugene Merriman Eugene welcome to start talk, radio, hello, it's good to be here. Now the pretty can help with put the welcomes which otherwise good to be here. If life I've already been. I'm here. I know it's great to being. Is that better? That lesson is that more sincere, it is a true honor to be finally part of CBS Radio family of that right here. Yet will this week our topic is ufos, unidentified flying objects about which so much as written, and so many people think about them. Care about them, and I thought we should bring some sort physics to the subject: Do you have some kind of analysis? No more speculation thousands of sightings of Ufos every year and of course, most of them can be explained away as the consequence of natural phenomena like
usual cloud formations or bright planets, lightning, and especially meteorological or astronomical observation. Some are just spaceships from other worlds yesterday, but are preparing to take over. Some would be that one explanation along with your gas cloud thing, but what you, what happens is when you see something unfamiliar in the sky. The brain tries to who understand and come to terms with it, go overboard in doing so empty. What it does understand it connect the dots Vince missing pieces, and so when you try to judge what an object is or to judge how big it your brain, fill in the gaps in it. Say breeze of the George Lopez showed the lovely have put back. The brave bills the gaps and making it makes them. So What happens is up our perception about which is still a lot of research going on in the neuroscience community, the depth of our per cent
and still being understood and how it can fool us and how we can think it's giving us correct information when in fact it's not, and so what happens is went find that we're ready to doubt what we see the brain, just figures before you, whether not with law, with what would you telling lies exact? its building block. So have you ever seen a you ever Maybe you simply means unidentified? No, no it! Oh! Yes, let's buddy Kosovo, because party wants to go no, not really, but what I mean is by saying that I, like I, can identify everything in the sky expect. So in that sense I can't, but I think I have rules that we have seen you have. If you cannot, then, if I ever thing you ve ever seen yeah, but I do think I ever saw thing moving and was Lego. That's coming for me. I should get ready you what's my welcome speech, I Ivy League, whence it everything that was so an identifiable I wanted to blog about it. Let's just say that
so that means you have encountered some objects in the sky that quite know what that is, but it's not so weird that I'm a freak out about it. I think it's like a bright planet or something or a shooting stars like about it. No but shooting stars are definitely be more scared. Also, you have some sort of foundation for your observations, that did you ever have astronomy, wanna one in college. I know I went to school we could decide your major it. I didn't included It is one of those kind of school yeah, but I learn everything I need from tv shows about outer space. So don't worry, I know plenty of science. So what would you have to see for you to stick to scare? You can have your blog and tweet about it. I would have to have a thing fly up to me. Maybe make a sound ass. We think questionings flyaway. That's definitely that's at the top of the letter that would work and then something sort of just floating in glowing too much yeah well being a floating and glowing too much at one of the most Mistaken objects for UFO love is not safe, If you'll know what it is, you simply don't know what it is one of the most
reported objects as a UFO. Is the planet Venus yet the sky because its the bright is so bright. Venus is punter per cent white cloud cover suit. Highly reflective, first of all, so it has brought it's like, is bright as it can be, as a planet, but it doesn't dart around just sort of sits there watching you well watch if you happen to live near an airport manual accustomed to seeing airplane lights coming in a twilight or at night, and this would be Venus, and if you know it was a planet, it would just be an airplane hovering. So that's the thing that it is not darting around leaves people killed as to what it is because anything else would have come in for a landing a long time ago, of the use of UFO sightings, how many happened near airports is that would that being so looted Yeah, I'd I'd! I dont know that that statistic, but another thing, Venus is we orbit the sun farther away. Then Venus does
and so if he ever gonna, find Venus in the sky. It's not going to be all that far from the sun, you'll see it just before sunrise. In fact, these days it for a night owls out there it's up just before sunrise and its is bright as can be and it's quite visible just after sunset, here's what and since its in the twilight Sky and its bright as it gets low in the sky, you could take on sunset colors the way the sun does. So now you have a bright hovering white that has a book right, hovering object, let his lights that resemble sunset colors, so you'd the orange and read, and this sort of thing you combine all this together and you get no limit of reported recordings of. Must be so aliens from Venus came here. It would be particularly confusing cause we be explaining this phenomenon to them and they would be explaining where they are, and that won't will keep. It would give us I chapter on the way forward for one Venetians visit exactly the most confusing type of alien to.
Above all, you know the word renewed action is. We can have invented that after the fact and after which back you vague itself after the fact that if you are a Venus, the correct word for being a Venus is venereal really can adopt got to that word before the astronomers right, I don't mind saying of veneer it later. Ok, I'm just saying I, but what wait and if a martian wait five, why venereal I mean that's the proper janitor form of the Worry Venetian bf, be very everyone. I dialed wait. Two arrogantly say that two people, as I talked to them a party- because I'm not really venereal. Doctors had identified the disease common to love, making advances the goddess of love and beauty, and all that goes along with it so Slovenia is a number one cosmic for misidentified authority, a Ufos, that's right, and then the moon, the moon, by the way cosmic target
their name, those arrival. Can you keep track of boys? Be sorry, I'm saying you're coming up with things faster than you have enough that I'll take the compliment and the moon is when tight. We, of course we all know what the moon looks like, but suppose the moon is a crescent and only a little piece of the crescent sticks out from behind a cloud so young The whole thing and you don't know the moon is supposed to be there, and this will cloud areas growing around it. It can freak you out yet, and in fact that happened to me I was on a beach, but are you listening to pink Floyd I oughta be through the boots, speaks about you. I don't know. The record albums that don't get their physics right. The dark side of me there's no dark side of them right. So you know you only listen to accurate physical, its recollect, Jethro told Thick is a break. Here at rock albums. So I just as an example I was launched on the beach I was, I saw glowing object on the horizon and it didn't. I couldn't associated with any terrestrial object. Of course it was at night because then you, you see less well at night when you have that,
most Eu Ufo Sightings ART night, when you can least identify what you're looking at, and I saw something and I could not identify it, and I was intrigue pulled out. My butt ah killers, which I d never the norms reach for me there was, it was the moon, and so am I. Simply saying there objects that can be out there leaving You are familiar with the sky. They can stump. You at least right will you continue to observe its not only at cosmic objects, you also yet sort of meteorological, illogical objects, clouds cloud fearsome beautiful cloud formations up there, not just the puffy ones, that make rain, there's some tissue, feelings for weeks of activity about that, but which would make rain is at the party won the puppy. What all Craig I got it move on. You got the ordinary people. The ones Riah, but then you have your clouds there there or a graphic clouds. We're graphic, lousy elites of the tour, puffy or graphics reckon and then weirdo clamoured o clock go back and forth, and so, if there was a guy who put clouds shapes on a scale.
And then the big puffy Cuba was clouds was cloud, nine, those and that's what you say. Your unclad nine you're on a big deal that why that is why we call them if your cloud nine its accumulate, Matthew, Mule, Nimbus, could then you'd know why don't be an idiot, whatever assume that so So the or graphic loud and you have lenticular clouds these clouds that look like flying saucers you find them near mountains and their very high. And there they slid take on this cylindrical shape and their isolated and so watchword. The sun sets for you. But if your high up the sun later for someone on a mountain top than it would for someone at the base of the Moses. It's them this. We have better explanation than out one, but
So what happens? Is the sun sets for you? Your sky begins to darken. This cloud is still lit up by sunlight. It is still lit up, and so it looks like its glowing against the background sky takes on the colors of sunset, bought a being you ve gotta you ve got us. Does it make that sound off the record it next time and one of my favorite kinds of clouds are not to loosen clouds which translate from the Latin to meeting Nighttime, a cleaner, ok, I've just keep. It was latin one of the subjects you elective we took in clouds, exactly know latin comedy, so The closet are so high up. They can still be lit. By the sun an hour after sunset and occasionally spaceships. And missiles can leave a country that is so high up that they become. These knock knock to loosen cloud It will then identifying they say. Oh I saw this glowing thing in the sky when they knew nothing supposed to glow there right. You know about these.
Fast, could it have? Would it have to go to create it? So the answer is no, but what's interesting, drivers are also not identified, so there's something really funny about being a cuban speech- and this also lightning lightning can do where things lightning is. Is electrical charges going from cloud to ground cloud to cloud but most likely goes from the ground up to a cloud is yes I feel like shit, I don't know. I just put just the opposite of what I was told earlier by movie who were misinform. Much of reality is the opposite of what we're all told, but so lightning actually create a plasma around that, basically, a charge gas that glows mammals globally did you find Spencer gifts, yet they do I ever I wanted one too low. So did I thirty? Thirty is only five or six years ago, those like me and then There are other things. For example, you have weird airplane designs to be happening in near and AIR Force base testing
usual craft later triangle shaped spaceship, thinks so if there are secret for experiments going on and you look up and is something you don't recognize, you could say that must be an air force. Experiment with a new airfoil know if you're prone imagination. As so many of us are you say: oh it's, Alien Spaceship, rather than the more terrestrial accounting for what it is that you see so with alien wanted to come here. If they just wrote, U S government on their ship, nobody would bother dynamic gets us. Is that the point that wages, cover themselves in a weird with loud goes out at the speed of light, if you're giving them ideas and a flares do interesting thing at a time. It's just a flick at night. Is this glowing thing in the sky and is a famous sighting in Phoenix Arizona March 13th, one thousand nine hundred and ninety seven?
who was the fighter squadron from the Maryland AIR National Guard? They dropped illumination flares up to part of an exercise at eight hundred and thirty p dot m. Just after sunset, okay and hundreds of people reported seeing a v shape you fo formation of lights over the city and surrounding mountains. What your brain with your brains with connect them. Two it into a single, coherent object, and so, rather than just say, I saw these lights they so they saw of these shaped UFO right, and so the urge to do that. The balloons now for me, the hilarious, UFO citing was in Manhattan just recently October. Two thousand and ten people saw glowing objects in the sky above Manhattan they hit. For me, the funny part I live in Manhattan. Nobody we're looks up so when they do, they have no experience to identify any in the sky and abuse it. What's that this just the moon right, this little notice it they don't see it so new Yorkers are
can be easily enchanted by balloons that are in the sky. No, these are these were shiny, mylar, surfaced balloons and so that account for some extra glow that they had in the sky, but there this is by the way, balloons? Also, yet this to me everything you said so far sounds like you're part of a cover up just so you know anyone whose, like waiting for you to say that they are definitely aliens, is getting more and more mad with each excuse. You give him I'm just given you all the ways the sky can give you information that you might then miss a measure interpret yes right, where women, back we'll talk a little bit about Roswell blimp symbol talk about how What we see in the sky has look different over generations, because our expectations are changed as, as has our
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Marking the secrets of your world and everything orbiting around it. Systematized that's good music at the end and fell away with a second alien abduction. Did you know that you do? I did not know that, yes, it was hugely merman visiting me he's a comedian Brooklyn workmen in the house. Yes, so welcome. The star talk? Radio, welcome back everyone, Eugene Merman, before the break said that the way the aliens can infiltrate us is if they ain't you as air force on their space based and then we'll just say that they were and then I'll be like obviously the? U S: airforce speculation it's a new- and I worry since this is a broadcast show. That signal is now going out of the speed of light and you ve given away our last the hope of defence against yellow
invasion? Yes, it was. The last piece is like all that's a great idea and will put on wigs and dress like human. The thought they were missing so other things that can be mistaken, whether balloons you dont, whether balloons are not commonly launch near urban areas or near airports, because they would tangle up you're here. Whence it only in very secluded areas and occasionally unexpected air gusts Harry into populated areas, and no one has any experience. Looking at a weather balloon, why was it is look? saying, you know it's just not something you ve ever seen unless you are like a weather balloon person. Rather, you live where they do. This sort of thing all the time you have the money to google the word whether its end the Roswell into Roswell you're, the entire economy. Down there is alien based. Have you ever visited the town never been there. A couple times actually went all the museums. Its
alien economy, the street lamps have alien faces, Ottoman things, and so that was later reported, as that crash was later reported as whether balloon and when combined with some other experiment. That had been done with sort of dummies, people now sort of remember that is sort of aliens and by their motives of the actual, whether balloon I've fragments of it. Yes, oh yeah, but of the payload that was part of their, whether balloon and whether balloon exploded is that. I don't know. I don't know what what what was the consequence of that, I can tell you is that if an ailing really did come this far and crashed here on earth, that's not the point. I want to meet. That's like that. Anyone who can they get better rights can be? Why don't wanna meet the alien? They came here: do you that there also liberal aliens who try to stop the mean meaner aliens are taking over the political elite, events of aliens? Yes, you know we have on the wine. We have a good friend and colleague sets just ass. He works at the
the institutes. That city is the acronym for the search for extraterrestrial intelligence. Let's see what safe ass to say, set out our man get Neil thanks for call it into star talk. Radio are subject to night is sort of the physics of Ufos sightings notice. I say physics ufos, not physics of aliens, because there all kinds of accountings. Four things we see in the sky, but you're sitting it like that. You are for central there. Could your advertising what it is you're interested in! So what's life like in your job well, next with you about what life. Like I mean you know, we don't have enough time to really go into that deal, but let me tell you something: no relevance to the subject at hand, and that is that I get at least five phone calls and emails day from people or having difficulties with aliens in their personal lives and my photos. They sent me videos of ufos. They often think that we're doing the wrong experiment trying to eat drop on alien broadcast because
after all day, like one third of the population of this country, believed that the aims You are here well so, but what you tell them do say was no evidence or how do you handle this? These encounters? Well, you know I listen to what they have to say, or I read what they have to say because, let's face it, it doesn't violate physics. From one star system to another It seems a little improbable that they would come all this way just for fallacious experiments, your mom wooden approve of them in open But on the other hand, you could say that sales, sociology and we don't have a whole lot of data when it comes to alien sociology. So nobody knows what they really be interested, but that that the fundamental fact is that it is truly an extraordinary claim. To say that aliens and come you know hundreds of light years to visit earth with nothing never mind in these unfortunate experiments and if you're gonna
that claimed in what I want to see is the good evidence. I look at what they have to say and I look. The pictures and I try and decide whether does this disease suggests that we actually have visitors here and so what have you concluded like a guess? But I'm just wondering I think you know they had to. I am not convinced look, I you know their their whole bunch of arguments. It could be made to suggest that this is in order for the big. Unlike one thing you could ask is: why are they here now? Why now and then I ask people who think that the aliens are visiting earth How is it that were so fortunate that they come to earth just While we are alive to improve our social life. Whatever will you realise that there are references to aliens or at least unexplained sky phenomena that goes far back as the Bible Vecchio had a vision of wheels in the sky that had no other real account, a real we'll alien
Fans would suggest that maybe he was bearing witness to that and, as you know five thousand years ago, never doubt that five thousand years ago, as you know, what what one one millions of the to the earth, so that still now I love the cosmic perspective on the timeline for that doesn't convincing, because what it requires is either one of two things. There are, the aliens are always visiting me or soberly, doesn't matter when you're Borneo you'll have the opportunity to have a year in an unpleasant encounter with the man in black scenario that just been around us all the time that part in which case I would think that the evidence we wouldn't be so equivocal that not that I would occasionally go down to the airport and you know then the captain would come on if they were folks. We're gonna stay at the gate here for the next twenty minutes, because their them on a den of five, craft in the area and they haven't father like plan- was yet they just kind of state here that doesn't happen to me
looks like it. I think of the games were really here would be like asking the north american native. You know, fifth years after Columbus arrived, you think you're being visited by Spaniards. If it wasn't something just for late night radio, it was, they knew they absolutely new. So. I can't believe that they have always been here, so the only possibilities that are here now, because they have some interest in one Contemporary problem signal like check. We have nuclear weapons. Are they don't like the way? When did the environment? If the plot of the day the earth stood still well exactly, but of course it doesn't make any sense because they don't know any of that stuff right. The only way they could know that almost say The answer is creeping in crawling across his mortal coil. It's because of the high free see high powered broadcast? We ve been sending in the space the Second World WAR were sending to space at this moment exactly, but those
these are only in all seventy light years out at most, which means you you can only expected with alien set, are no more than thirty five like yours outcomes. They need time. To get. I love Lucy, decide they dont, like the jokes and then get into their spacecraft, which are limited to the speed of light and get back here, just a hall, you out of your bedroom, none of it squares with you had better, because the number of stars within thirty five like yours is a few thousand small number in astronomy. I don't think any aid nowhere here show I really stumble across this problem of. Why are they here? Now? Ok, so if anyone actually finds inalienable taken to your office and then you could you have another argument- job seekers well said. Thanks we're going to start talk, radio like we call yet another time when, if we have an urgent need all of its course yeah? Ok, everybody! We actually visited adequately about what will happen. Champagne with you on that
even, if only beg you that was- has just ass, a friend and colleague at the City Institute in where else could it be, but California so Eugene yeah. Have you seen any movies that have ufos anything you like that? I wish you good as a broader question. Yeah lots of movies from in black to the STAR Trek seriously the last hour fighter. I still want to fight someone else's war somewhere, far far away and protects, the earth from an eventual, but not that great right still serve your needs on a planet that has no metals on a planet that has no metals right. Isn't I do the moon Sceptic, know: J, J, Magala Directorate. The latest model for how the moon was formed was that there was a sight swipe of MAR sized object, how he got involved in it and see what he's gotta tell us
I got involved originally because there's an amateur astronomer is growing up. You mentioned come on you're address in astronomy, always ask you two questions: what's your sign and do you believe in your foes and it got me interested in astrology and you are focusing and studying it in realising that there is simply no evidence for that was really a belief system. A lot of people had and, as a result, I started investigating critiquing and analyzing UFO report
There were the ears, and so what? If you found because has tons of right- and this is no shortage- mothers tons of reports, of course- but I found it- there's no evidence. Almost everyone thinks of the term. You upload is being a spacecraft from another world and that's what I mean if you referring to something that somebody sees its own agenda flight, then that's a different issue. What you have to do is most people see something in the sky and they interpret it as an alien space. When there's no evidence that their alien spacecraft lying around in the earth's atmosphere, so that with the belief system comes in where the brain takes over the interpretation right and it's very strong desire for humans to believe in things in the sky. This is nothing new. This has been around for thousands of years.
Related to the whole concept of humans wanting to find meaning and purpose in this revolves around superstition, magic hope, salvation and doom, and you oppose fit this bill perfect where we come back from a break check with chicken back with I co, host eating mermands, see what he thought of more about the movies. Yes, for you anyway, decide about movie aliens in physics behind me, Oh you got it we'll see you after the break,
delivered here then we can start on. We will come back to starts work really followers on twitter stream. At our talk, radio and my co host, where this programme on the physics of you opposes Eugene murmur. Yes, I am and which we too, under I do under the name Eugene murmured, Jean Merman yeah, very good, as do I under just simply Neil Thyssen, Vienna, so rich. Just before the break, we talked about famous sort of alien movies. Yet one of that I think one of the classic ones now is close encounters of the third kind, because most of them movie was actually about you. Have our people were so
it's in the sky and the and understand what was going on and they are also making a lot amount is at the seventh hyper I've. Let someone with a flute flying in from venereal the veneer. I was coming in Vienna is so Are you my big ripe about close encounters? Was there was factually inaccurate there Let us remember the movie. They were decoding on a teletype back when teletyped with the coolest thing. This string of numbers yet have constantly get repeated from space, and one person has. I know what those are its longitude latitude that must be worthy? things are going to land and I thought to myself longitude latitudes at the best you can come up with its a completely humankind. Jim the coordinates system of our earth, it's not even in he's. Ten earnings and base sixty like. So. What is this that the image you enough about our culture too, to give us
Longitude Latitude, they would know enough to like learning languages, just say: hey we're! Coming now, I'm going to land to the left of hidden of what you call Spain, yes, so I'll just six plus- The ship comes down. It flew across the galaxy it's a flying saucer. What are they have? They have runway lights? What's that about If you are flags, was it, you don't need runway light hearing this. I both think that you're one hundred percent right and also would be unpleasant to see us I find movie with where you'd be linked. That's how beaming would work. I've travels! Sort of not real, so you know all the data from crossing nation over the decades has been collected and investigated by the. U S: government did you know about this? I would hope so. This was a protecting against. This was called project Bluebook very famous brought. It ran for twenty eight years right from the depth of the cold war, and I can fifty two up. Through night
seventy and they can they collected twelve faggot. The exact number, twelve thousand six hundred and eighteen reports of ufos and the people who are giving them this information there thinking. Oh, the government wants to know we're being visited by aliens. That's not what drove proud bluebird armies, commies through, was like what are the commies come up to, and now you have a hundred million observers in our country. Looking up, reporting on what it is they see, and this became this huge data, gathering project and so other across, the world are doing this as well, but there back. Then there is like the: u to spy playing very different proportions from a normal, plain, very big wingspan, to fly in there, Rarefied atmosphere at sixty thousand feet where the thing so high up, it would be very hard to shoot down in another famous places area. Fifty one you ve heard about every fifty yeah. That's it at a restaurant, I'm not authorized to take what decorative. Yet you yeah,
we were interviewing earlier. James Mc Guire was directive, the Grasslands Observatory in Arizona and, as you heard, he's a former military pilot who knows all about what the air force might have been doing, and so, let's see what he has to say about area, fifty one, Let's go Harry. Fifty one is never been called area. Fifty one by the air force their written. Area, near groom, wake and Nevada that people call area fifty one. This comes out of the old atomic energy combination areas when they divided up Nevada for nuclear. Testing. There is a possibility there by the: U S AIR Force's highly classified it. Does a number of flight operations and other operations. I have flown in and around the area engineer force pilot to the best of my knowledge
there are. No aliens are no spacecraft there. It's all! U S, technology, the governor, but that's about all. I can say about it. So what's your response to people who certain as a cover up could surely occasionally. If not often, the government would find reason to cover something up if they judged to be in the interest of security or public safety, so how do you reply that the government generally doesn't cover things up? Because if it ever comes out their embarrassed by the cover up now, occasionally some individuals or say things? Do Instead, they shouldn't do the proper thing for the military to do when dealing with classified and after all, there are regions to keep secrets, because a lot of classified information is will stop. It is very dangerous and we don't want to get in the hands of our enemies. The term I will neither confirm or deny that occurring in tee.
It simply not talking about it. So there, people, though, who will then in the lie on the fact that do not told what's going on their debts, were in their own mind, they could place everything for which they don't have evidence right in this goes right. The heart of conspiracy theories. You are. Foes are wrapped in conspiracy theories and conspiracy theories of very attractive because they can explain complex social structures and problems and they can simplify it and put it phase from something. Otherwise, that's very in person know another in fact, about conspiracy theories- is that the to assert that there's a conspiracy? That's the battle cry for having insufficient day, right to actually so, where you're missing daddy, say. Oh that's been covered up. I actually find conspiracy, conspiracy, theory slightly infuriating because they answer things, people don't really understand by
make a start by saying that I too claiming a bunch of random connection right it, and the connected, cavity comes about, because they're saying that if the actual information that would connected or held under wraps, though there is something funny about playing a pilot being like there's no secrets there, I mean I'm sure, he's telling the truth, but also its the same big. He would say if he was like that's what it needs to govern something up its to cover the radio and be like no way. I flew all around that area. No alien- and I were no otherwise- I totally- was led into all the secret room, either the alien ones, another interesting thing about how much credence we given to one to the given by one observer or another, we tend to believe someone is in uniform. More than somewhere was not there's, always a pilot or is an astronaut or not and dressed up as a doctor, just so that people do exactly what I say. Yes
James Mc Guire has actually some comments on what it is to be a trained observer. Let's go back to my interview with him. I've got over forty thousand hours looking at the night sky, and Thousands of hours flying airplane cause. I was in the air force for a career. Airforce pilot and after doing all of had I've, never seen anything that I couldn't explain. But the point is, I have a background in working atmosphere, Phenomena, looking at astronomical objects and being aid, analyze what they are and interpret them correctly and I've seen all kinds-
phenomena all away from Saint Amals fired a ball lightning, Cinemas fire, that's dead, glow just before lightning strike. Is that right well static electrical charge that can build up on something moving, in my case, an airplane, and it can be quite beautiful, but also somewhat dangerous. Something is often talked about. Is this idea of a trained observer? Somehow the public believes that pilots and police officers or train drivers, but of course we are not trying to look at the night sky there trained to do other things, and pilots and police officers make mistakes all the time and the way they look. It objects in the sky
about astronauts. There's some one or two notable astronaut takes the same sort of thing with astronaut their train to fly a spacecraft for maybe trained at their submission specialists. To do some tat did not trained to look at the sky there not trying to locate the reflection of dust particles and be able to realise that's what you see that's coming off the spacecraft they're not trained, so you invite me to imply that all you have to do is train people to know what you're looking at and then the UFO sightings will go away in large measure? I think they were deciding what the barring the hoaxes, of course, it think about in recent years the most prominent been what I call lights in the sky, the Phoenix lighten the Stevens but lights. And it's incredible that people see these individual points of light in the sky, which were very bright
then, connect come together to make a larger object connecting the doctrine. The sky course than this happened at night when you have the least able to to see things right and they believe it to your phone. They sincerely believe this, but there simply incorrect in their interpretation of what the yeah? So I can tell you this as and when I was a kid you Jeanne, I was an amateur astronomer and we look up all the time and I care when their clouds in my way. So I but he'd meteorology. Just to help me find out when I can make my best observed and I can tell you this- that among in the community of amateur astronomers, who are always looking up and among meteorologist, who are always looking up the sightings of things in the sky, that they cannot explain, is lower than that in the general public, and it's got nothing to do with who wearing a uniform right. It's just based on who has the most amendment from US amount of information and probably most famous case of a person in uniform or with some kind of cultural authority who has
big fan of your phone or that we ve actually that there actually aliens is EDGAR Mitchell who's up an appalling turn on, and he was a little module pilot for power. Fourteen sixty per walk on the moon nine hours on the nor surface, he believed it. You were foes, our visitors from other plants and least, some of them some, One is enough that he believes its while we accept click start like the questions. Are there fifty you refers right and one which would work would work he's pretty sure that the Roswell instant involve the real alien spacecraft. Now it used has, claimed at NASA is involved with ufos, but NASA felt compelled to you sure statement that they do not track ufos and don't share his opinions on this, and so that we ve got people out there, who Who would otherwise be respectable and with and would have this part of their life's again, but he does believe in it did an alien powering seek him out where we come back. We're gonna look for what would happen to you if, in fact, you're gonna? U effort
and with the physical that would require breathing space inside it down to earth. You're listening to start Rebecca Start Radio topic today is your photos. Are they how to account? For the moment Eugene Merlin, Jean Carl Sagan, is famously among many famous courts. We attributed to him. One of them is that extra reclaims requires. Extraordinary evidence, which usually means more than just your eye, witness testimony and I have my interview with James Mc Guire, where that subject came up and let's see agenda, guys directed the Grasslands Observatory, Arizona, amateur astronomy, runs observatory of former Airforce pilot limits. But he has to say about evidence
I'm not open to his unsupported coins, net magic and superstition and total stories and conspiracy theories somewhere want them to bring forth. Well it again alien to me. What do you want to tell you why, but would satisfy her aid that in a recent extraordinary cawing than an alien spacecraft. Turn around the earth's atmosphere and it may be going
An aliens getting off of it if you want people to accept that in the rational scientific community that you're gonna have to bring forth evidence is not enough to just say I saw it as a sceptic. I'm opened the fact that it aliens exist in our galaxy. They could potentially build a spacecraft and fly here is highly unlikely because it's so difficult, but it's not impossible, but the point is there simply no evidence was ever occurred. The village account is evident. I would count as evidence some art, back the piece of metal from the day scrap some documented method that could not be hoechst today. The problem with Photoshop and other things it is so easy to help to photograph photographs, aren't for all practical purposes. Evidence in a more obviously
case would have the you up a land on the White House, lawn mailings, get out and go talk the president, but that's not likely to happen, but short of that you need something that didn't originate on the earth so Eugene. What that means is, if you actually got a piece, of an alien spacecraft of the from an ape in trip. He wants to see an aliens flight plan that was authorized by the alien president need be like ok, but it can't be, can have been sort of false falsified rape and You can't just bring something off. The ailing craft is made of the same stuff is here on earth, because even if it were actually from the alien craft its lesser evidence. For that, then, if it's something that would be of alien manufacture with right. So what is it he wants? It?
like made in space and make any of you like more, whilst would say that on it, if it wasn't made in Spain the I think that would not fully counters away the flight plan and a doctor a photograph of an alien to, for example, there is a famous article, the Bob White Object featured on the tv show, UFO hunters and Bob White recovered a team rob sheet metal object that he saw fall from the sky. An analysis found it was mostly made of aluminum and the He has other objects that claim claimed to be of alien origin implants that people removed from their body. They found to be made of ordinary metals available here on earth and our most high tech metals are formed. Re special alloys, and you know when some hand there was the hand work of some intelligent civilization. It's not just tinfoil, it's not just in foreign. I just tinfoil. They founded someone's stomach there's something interesting: the people have seen that they ve asserted that lights have not only appeared in the sky, but it made abrupt change.
She's in its movement right, accelerating for that's what I was describing is what would make me think something well sure. So, what's interesting, if you are on board a spaceship that accelerated at the rate that some of these lights have moved have been reported to me, you the pile of goo at the end of the the back wall. Unless they had thought, I had an inside the spaceship created space belts, They must face seat belt. Good science fiction writers have actually come up with this kind of solution and a cold inertial dampers, and that's that's how you can go from zero to warp speed, the speed of light and just a fraction of a second and not have to peel you off the back of a spaceship with spatula, because inside the ship there's inertial damper, there's our national dampers inside the ship. In that way they can just stand there and not all roll back. The back of the ship and also what science fiction authors have come up with her things like out warp drive The famous way around and STAR Trek went across the galaxy, which is a hundred thousand light years across EU.
The speed of light? That's not you not getting their very fast now, so you want to work that space can cross the galaxy during the tv, commercial and still I'm back in time for what you need. What what are you fall space. Yes, what exactly so? You fall space and then you go through a tear base from one side to the other kind of like a what a wormhole with right. That's how I would do it if you would. I highly recommend that anyone building an alien spaceship or human space, so You can think of. You know what would happen if a spaceship was doing that, but before invest that much brain energy in it. I rather just somebody, does Dragon Dragon Alien into the lab, and I bet then you have me convince we're good go onto the next thing. Is there also the thought that aliens would be hostile? Isn't that yeah yeah Stephen hawking with sure? If they came to visit us, they would enslave us and suck our brains out That's not a new idea, although we always try to credit talking with New S, you know the war the world's what's that but aliens from Mars coming down in just wreaking havoc culture and civilization. You know
found, a quote on the web from the famous physicist, Richard Feynman, yeah that he was giving a talk at Cornell and one thousand nine hundred and sixty four and let's see what he has to say about aliens. Conversation about lying for some years ago with men I'm fine civic! I know all about life. I said I don't think there are applying for dollar, Why and how you referred. The girl. Would you like a possible like what you are very on fire if you can't prove impossible, why? How can you say a licence that is unlike, but that's the way it is scientifically scientific only that they want more lively and less likely enough time optimum impulse, the fine. What I mean I finally satsumas. I mean that for my knowledge of the world, that I am the IRAN I
It is much more likely that the reports of flying saucers are the result of the known, irrational characteristics of terrestrial and elegant, rather than rational effort of extra terrestrial, and that was the one and only Richard Feynman Nobel Prize winning physicists. Yes having thought about this, but even back in the nineteen sixty offer just a prospective here that there is The phenomenon in the world that are rare, maybe happen once a year once a decade once the millennium, maybe you're not in the right place when it happens over. You would happen once every ten thousand years. If you yet is that long? So what's interesting to me. If you see something you don't understand because it's a really rare thing it makes. Hopefully be the way they're doing something that rarely does reward the planet's doing something you ve, never genetically do. What you are saying is all spaceships are weird rain
just say that their yes, that is what you do. They welcome the possibility that years of rare natural phenomenon that drawing on applying here, that's it for this segment of star talk ready, but when we combat rotation I had with part of Sparta stay to start. I we're back on start talk in this. Is that treated section? We just grab one of my tweets from archives. If you some behind the scenes and bill now to help me do that. Yes, it's good to be end. You tweet at build. Yet where excellent, so here's a tweet
just I was. This actually happened. Okay and I was like angry to share my anger, to wait in law to renew a passport allowing me to visit members of my own species across artificially conceived Gordon gotta take exception. The lot of those borders are artificial. Why you got a bit in the whole map and are doing nobody, but then you see all of the planetary which not even thinking about countries know. Do you think, our planet planets. So let's take that as an example should embrace this meal. Embracing here to challenge you will want a lot of the borders have been shown to be learnt a lot of borders. People made up, I have to do with rivers, oceans, ok, then, traditions that happened when you got rivers, oceans and mountains. Stuff happens, I am sure we will, when we meet the Martians it'll
be good and we'll have border crossings and suffer they're going to want to know where you came from and what let's say you could get marshes one in the fruit. The marshes want to know where you came from but parasites you might be bringing to their lovely fantastically sterile surface. I tweeted recently by March, as I said here we are martian accompaniment unearthing and it says to us: take me to your regular, bring your common people. That's what I want forget the leader. I get the reason the leaders become leaders is constructs. Embrace. Leaders at the summit like lately in America loud. He came very close, ladies and gentlemen, to getting a political, common doktor ties that close before he gets out of hand you wanna go to one more tweet. Yes do that. So how do you go on some issues. I am a staunch concerning life curtailing greenhouse gas emissions so that we can conserved.
I get a concern for us. You work at that Uk American Museum, natural history and right there in the lobbyists statue of our friend Teddy Roosevelt, Teddy Roosevelt, an arch nature conserve yet so he basically launch the whole movement to save national park. Remind everybody. You know what you will. The environmental protection agency was created under Richard Nixon who, by many standards, is considered a conservative present at so too was Noah National Services. We, on the other side, wonder how successful political parties gonna be if it insists on chewing. The science of joy and parasites is issuing avoiding denying the science of climate change. I mean
it's really extraordinary time to be actually you're such a book on the well next year. Note what it's really an extraordinary thing that we are. What are you working on a book I might have, or was it I was unbounded unbounded and I hope is gonna, have the next great generation and I'll get those kids today can, dare I say it, Jack,
so you and an end to broker will weigh up the greater the great generation to the next great, our parents, my parents, spot of world war. Two there is deprivation rationing and there was innovation, extraordinary production and everybody was in the music was about this. We can do this everybody. Let's change! You been with me to startle the how tweeted bill thanks are being on budget during the conversation on Twitter, etc. We have always like Galileo job to wish. You could listen. The star talk: commercial, free, joint star talk on Patria for as little as five dollars per month and the ads will disappear. Learn more at patriarch dot com slap star, talk, radio,
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