A folks. It's been one year since the January, six, twenty twenty insurrection of the capital still learning more about that day to be seen whether the to get rid of the attack, including former president Trump, will all be held accountable? The how Select committee is wrapping up its investigation, as it seeks information from sitting congressmen and plans to hold public hearings and release reports in the coming in other news, former Manhattan, DS, I've ants left office without bringing further charges. Investigation into Trump's, business dealings and a California jury, convicted Elizabeth Holmes of defrauding investors in her former biotech startup their nose while a New York jury, convicted, Glenn Maxwell of sex trafficking, teenage girls have him Jeffrey Epstein, Joyce vans, and I discuss all of this and more on the cafe insider podcast

today were sharing a clip from the episode with listeners of stay tuned, to hear our full conversation and access all other cafe. Insider content. Try the membership free for two weeks. You can do that a cafe dot com, slash inside that's, cafe, dot com, slash insider! We look forward to having you as part of the insider community. There seem to be two camps in other friends of ours who are Very notably frustrated about what seems to be lacking investigation, Adam ship is among that group, and then there are others that have seen their social media posts and have seen their commentary who say, look any criminal act that involves lots of people. You started the bottom and you build your case slowly and go up, and I understand that point. There is a general manner, but here, when you have hundreds of people who storm the capital and you're saying that flipping them is gonna, get you the president, nine states

which is an argument they seem to be making. This is not that this is not a well organised, hierarchical, organised crime, family syndicate right where you go at the one guy and then he gets you a guy one level up and you keep moving up in that way. I do agree with that, or do you think there's something about some of these charges will respect. The upkeep is perhaps that will allow prosecutors to get a window into higher level. Folks, I think that that's a possibility with some of the earth keepers type cases, and there are some interesting

situations where there is this conversation, allegedly about bringing guns into the District of Columbia. On January Sixth, of course, guns or illegal, there there's been reporting that their witnesses who talk about fairing guns across the water that implies a certain level of organization that would be interesting to pursue to see where it might lead. And, of course, we have also seen this reporting about war rooms and and the Willard and people who are involved in may be different capacities, indifferent worms, whether that all connects and whether that ultimately funnels higher up, I think, is an interesting inquiry. That's more now, Yes to this typical sort of rolling up the chain investigation that prosecutors are used to conducting here, I think that may be having much more important than flipping people who know bus it into the capital who engage in more or less violence, depending on the circumstances that particular

and is the stuff that happened around Donald Trump Ungenerous six itself. Obviously, there's other evidence about the big lie in it all fits together into a narrow and a story and compelling, I think, the using in the non specialise way indictment of the former president, but we keep hearing more more things out the suppose. It hundred eighty seven minutes someone. So we should use minutes because it doesn't sound as long as three hours, three hours and seven minutes from an insurrection began and I'll trump made a statement. I mentioned a few moments ago that, among other things of awkward Trump told me, should do something about it. There's evidence and reporting that many people told him to tell his people to knock it off Cheney, who is on the one six committee Republican, but increasingly being marginalized, and our own party has said essentially, if you're watching television during insurrection on the capital, your unfit for office and the state of mind of the former president is incredibly import

here. We're not gonna have emails from him. We're gonna need to understand from the people around him, including mark meadows, including Jim Jordan, including his daughter, include. Everyone who had any communication with him at all on January six. What was his reaction when the violence began and that speaks volumes? Doesn't it I think it does, and I think your honing it on just the right way of looking at that. I have heard people speculating that the former presidents failure to act could somehow substantiate criminals, charges and I'm always very leary of this notion that in action leads to criminal consequences there some statutes that are written that way.

Sometimes their regulatory actions. I agree with you. I think that what is important here is using that inaction as proof of his state of mind just hundreds of right and that could support other types of charges may be a conspiracy to interfere with government or some sort of interference with official proceeding charges his state of mind that so critical here the www argument we work is you have evidence that you wanted the obstruction to take place. He wanted the interruption to take place. He gives that speech. He talks about fighting He has all this other conduct leading up to generally six, so that new, your primary argument that he wanted it to happen, that he directed these people and inside them to violence of the capital. And what's your proof of that, as you point out, Some of your proof of that is when it actually happened. He seemed to be happy about it, which is

system with his original state of mind has given by the principal argument right if it wasn't what he wanted. You would expect a president to be modified and to call folks into action immediately and to call them off. He was none of those things he had to be basically pressured into making a statement. during which he also said how much he loved them. That was a really good closing argument. I too may merchant and announced the Americans to denounce the indictment of down from tomorrow. We backed up a little bit and just raised some tea leaves because I dont see a lot of signs. That deejay is looking at this, and I would expect that even

closely held investigation. Some grand jury witnessed some place would say that they had a subpoena does precisely Adam shift. Has been saying that doesn't seem to be any clue of that and that's a problem, but I do see a little bit of others that there seems to be some indication that D J might be looking at some of the money like Sidney Powell and her little shady funding. You know it's, it's not clear that they're looking at other stuff, but it is possible that there is something going on out there sword, but the generous six committee to assess them a little bit. We should. I think that they are doing a great job and wiser. I think that they have learned the lessons of other failed congressional investigations into Trump and come in with a plan for dealing with obstructive witnesses. That's one too, as I think that they ve worked fast. They.

give every appearance that they worked through the holidays. While Congress was in recess, it looks like the committee went on working on witnesses and gathering evidence, and although there dealing with some delays, notably that the Trump delay the delay and turning over documents from national archives, that they have now asked the Supreme Court to act on in their conference. I think it's on January fourteenth, but it's the they asked the court rather than putting it onto their calendar for the year and slow bawling it to deal with the issue promptly. The committee has come up with five lines of investigation. They ve put experienced prosecutors in investigators to work, and so there are tracking down, No they're they're following the money there there looking at what level of organization there was around January sixth events and who was involved, and I think it may be a little bit embarrassing, ultimately for d, O J, F, DIA, Jays, not investigating and if at some point Congress

hands over to them. These neatly organised blue jacket files, full of potential charges and evidence, but Congress is looking at an awful lot like a. U S. Attorney's office right now, well be careful how you say there because arguable that plays into the argument of the Trump defence, which is this doesn't really have legislated purpose there, trying to be an investigative, repressive, toil body and that's not appropriate. So you want to rephrase yeah. I dont really want rephrase, because I think that you can be serving a legitimate legislative purpose and there are a number of them here for Congress and before you can deal with your legislative goals? You need to engage in a full investigation into what took place, leading up to and on January six, and you also need to under

and whether crimes were or were not committed in this regard, because something that Congress could legitimately do here in addition to protecting against future sorts of incursions like this, in terms of strengthening the procedures for certifying the vote, Congress might want to consider whether they need to tweak existing criminal laws or or create new criminal penalties. So I think, frankly, this is an argument that the Trump folks have been pushing very aggressively and it could take on a little bit. Firmer of a response from the congressional committee advocates consume more particular question further. What you're saying for about what appears to be the lack of activity investigating folks at the top shelf. If you were the attorney general or the? U S attorney responsible for figuring out what happened on January. Sixth, would you have

long before now had FBI agents, interview or attempt to interview, Ivanka Trump and Mark meadows and MIKE Pence and their respective chiefs of staff and other folks were in communication with each other and with Donald Trump on January Sixth, thanks, realistic, to hear the full episodes had to capital calm, slash insider and try out the membership free for two weeks. That's cafe: dot com, slash side to the many of you who have chosen to join the insider community. Thank you for supporting our work