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puts out an annual list of the top risks threatening our world. He join me in January. The number one risk in twenty twenty. What was that a contested pray? central election in the United States for one of the candidates does not accept the outcome will here we are now that needs protection has come true. He joined me again to discuss this historic election. The consequences of a That's the transition and where we go from here, that's coming up stating let's get to your questions. This question comes from twitter user. funny once a day that could also describe a lot of people. I know the question is: what are the possible? Sessional repercussions for lawyers working with the Trump team right now is quote and I worked to undermine democracy. End quote the kind of thing that

put on one cv: hashtag aspirate. So that's an interesting question that I struggle with as a lawyer and as I think, about the ethics of the profession, also the business model of the profession? I presume that you once a day or asking the question, because there has been reporting on the Lincoln Project a group of conservatives who are never trumpeters, don't support the president and have actually tried to get him defeated at the poor rules and they are working hard to bring attention to the fact negative attention to the fact that a very prominent last, law from them. Jones day has been representing the president his campaign in some of these efforts in Pennsylvania and elsewhere to overturn the results? So it is received wisdom in the the community- and I think in the country, and an important value that everyone- representation that certainly true in criminal cases, whether you can afford one or not.

An important legal tradition in this country, not to inflate the lawyer for the client or the lawyer for the clients cause and clients who had been unpopular, whether they have committed crimes with it. made it acts of terrorism, whether they ve even committed acts of treason like the famous John Adams, representing redcoat back during the time of the revolutionary war that lawyers can honourably. and clients, even if they disagree with him, even if they do so. There are many lawyers in fact dislike their clients, but here a couple of things that I think about when you raised this issue. One is whether you can rightly criticise somebody as a lawyer for representing a particular client. That's one issue, and I think If a war once represent someone they can and if Doesn't one represent someone? They can't and people draw lines all the time, arbitrarily or not famous colonel Dent live, and draftsman has been on the stage and programme before. Basically, represent anyone other than anyone who has been accused of a crime of terrorism. He represented murders, he represented organised crime, fake

but he draws a line there for particular reason, and I think that that has to be respected. The question of whether or not people should go out of their way to malign allow firmer line a lawyer because of a particular reference station. I'm not sure how I feel about that. So first is a question of the recitation itself, but I think second, whether or not a lawyer or law firm is represent. Client, whether odious or not. Oh, yes, by bringing arguments that are dishonourable were arguments that are false and in this case- asked the claim is arguments that are undermining democracy. I think that's it more difficult question and so it may be the case as we ve been reading about the doll trumpets had a hard time Bending his legal TIM and getting more people, represent him in some of these election matters. Not the people resist representing Donald Trump, because he in some quarters, in an elite circles. If I may say that is a controversial figure, but maybe it's the they don't see how they can make plausible arguments in an away deficits, their legal reputations and Natalie Community

the other two sectional make, and maybe not everyone will make. This is a difference between the states, so what you hold private lawyers in private practice, verses lawyers who are acting in the public interest and whose salaries we pay so, for example, we thought that in the use attorney's office in the Department of Justice you hold, those lawyers were higher standard. Everyone is supposed to be candid with the court, but particularly those lawyers in particular Those lawyers should not be making specious arguments should not be making you, don't believe in even as aggressively prosecute cases or we defend lawsuits brought against the United States, have hissing defence There's a private sector lawyers should aspire. Do the same, because sworn an oath in their officers of the court, but in our system, they're allowed a little more leeway. So what private? where's do is one thing, but lawyers who for example, the Department of Justice and has another example in the way Council's office, I think, should be held to a strict standard and repression, since for lawyers who have made

dishonourable arguments and specious arguments that are laughable, and some of those kinds of arguments have been made by this White House Council currently serving and whether or not law firms care about that in the future. I think they should consider it. I think they should weigh it in making employment decisions. but overall a campaign to denigrate the law firm, I love it. I have mixed feelings about and I am sure that other people may have a different view This question comes in an email from Amanda. Does it matter if the It refuses to concede, is legal or legislative way to declare that the outcome of the election has been officially decided, independent of a concession. If there is what is it so that that's it question. I think one has been on lots of people's minds. So what is ready for it? it doesn't matter? If the present refuses to concede? I think it matters politically and they get matters optically and if he weighs one it makes present. Look ridiculous makes it presently peevish. It makes a present look immature, but of course we

all those things about the president already. If the question is, is it matter legally no, it is not. I think the bombing campaign in President Elect Biden and has had a very deliberately has tried to make. The Why there, whether you consider not the election results, are, would govern. When you asked his or legal, let us get away to declare the outcome of that going to happen on a time too. To that end, Milgram Nigh, disgusted and other people have been discussing when the electors me Their certifications of votes and states, so that is formal unofficial. That doesn't happen until some time in December. If the question is, can Joe Biden get some kind of official declaration in the absence of a concession before that it's unlikely and for the most part it doesn't really matter, except in one particular, and that it three Joe Biden, his team to get access to the proper materials to conduct an appropriate transition process in under our system, funding for staff and for offices and the process.

Which transition takes place generally happens in our system when whoever the head of the G essay is the General Services administration makes termination that the winner is evident at most, I'm all doubt is raised when we party or the other concedes that you have to worry about the count than you to worry about the official declarations they have to you not to worry about the electoral vote in this case, because of the absence of that, there is a big discretion that did you say straight or has Emily Murphy to decide whether or not its evident, there's political pressure, not to say that it is evident because at present refuses to acknowledge it. Most of the republican senators in our country also refused to acknowledge it there has been some suggestion that burden could go to the courts. I don't know exactly what the legal theory would be, but since there are some sad to restructure and regulatory structure here, they could see. on the basis that it is evident, for the winner is, and unlike those funds and unlocked office space, I think

Some considerations away against that probably overwhelmingly, probably very substantially one is that takes time and we ll have a few weeks left until the duration and obviously less time until these certifications happen. So it might be a feudal cause anyway, and if you bring such an action, you don't want to lose and you never know what happens in court, given how much discretion the juicy administrator has, and its also probably the case that you don't want to give any credit to the argument which you may indirectly be doing by saying this is worthy of a court case. You gonna give credit to the argument that the president has not lost

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They also talk about the divisiveness or politics a merry standing in the world and what abide in foreign power He doctrine might look like in bremmer. Welcome back to the show preach so good to be back with you. May I am bequeath and honour upon you really yeah. Ok, sure! we cast our that you may not know what it is. I have no idea nigh donor to Lebanon. Stay tuned for over three years at a lot of guests right now, you are now the most accomplished guest in terms of frequency on the show you were the first person to be on the show for time, about the well. That's that's pretty awesome. I did not know that. I assume that you had favorites that you kind of went back to the well frequently with so I will try anything like what but this makes you can see the Pantheon broadcasting in a christian

You are to stay tuned kind of like what reduced Philby was to David Letterman thoroughfare. That's pretty that's pretty exceptional esprit on five may rest in peace. Can you do a reduced open for us? I I No! No! I can't because I never watched him. I know I probably should have, but I didn't thinks he was he would he related right to an audience that was both awake and watching television at a time when you- and I are not able to do that unawares speaking for me, because I have misery. Loves company is deleted it just as much better. If we can immediately create this kinship, we ve been uneven on four times together. People need to understand that the major reason for it is because of this odd couple type dynamic. that we have here we're getting. We inevitably going before this moment, because because you can search engine? Why refuse to put unity around because you'd rather than approach leave love, I'm in the middle of a crisis but which people

We wondered. Why are they talking about this nonsense when there are very important things talk about, and I believe that we do a little nonsense. We do have a likeable over the course of the whole thing will do at least a little nonsense. Important keep. No, I think it. For every once in a while, I get scolded, you know, for making a joke and by the way, that health cape that you and I both participating called a twitter. Yes, that's the place, I think to be legally sometimes at that. I completely agree. we'll take themselves way too seriously. Did you see that I dont on myself that last week in it was, it was awesome? Now I think miss that? Did you really will remind me it's because, like half an hour after the after the election was called for Joe Biden. I put out this. What I thought was in a kind of nice such. Oh, no looking to talk about that. We're gonna lawyer, yeah, ok, there's a message: one should use a hundred percent sort. I didn't know you consider that. How can I know we're gonna talk about that. Ultimately, the earliest goes to Mr Bremmer. Fair divert, ok, so good rate, so we,

we wanted the beginning of the year, because you do this report about risk global ray and then we had you want again at the beginning of the pandemic, see how the spread Deadly virus was affecting Europe assessment of risk in the world and in the United States, and to remind me we may not have listen before, and I will explain why I was excited to have you are now right after the election was called It was a number one risk that we have discussed before in your report was a close political election in the United States and we'll talk about all the ways in which that will cause trouble, because my first, She is going to assume anything was election in fact close. Oh yeah yeah, I mean if it had been a little closer we'd be in very serious trouble right now and you know there are a lot of people out there. I think we are in very serious trouble right now. I am not one of them, I'm not alarmist, but the risk the number one risk it was called rigged

idea was that you have a cot, close election and the loser refuses to concede and that legitimizes the process that back in January, you- and I had that conversation, and I mean it's pretty right now that we know we're in fairly unprecedented. Territory. As you know, one often says one when you looking at the Trump administration in this. Instead, I mean the election has been called, but you know What we just seen the Secretary of State, my palm PEO, saying there will be a smooth transition to a second from administration. you, ve, never seen Us Secretary of State say something like that: you'd ever them interrupt. You saw trumps speech that he gave where he said. I will the election. No, no, he actually has who won the election- and there are a lot of people out There- that act really believe a lotta Republicans out there that support tromp. That actually believe that this election was

oh and away from him, and that probably reflects some strength. The trump will have in the sure when he's no longer president, but it also causes problems for our institutions. In the U S The cap which, back on this issue of whether or not the election was closed for a moment of course, was advocate. So it looks like when all the votes are counted. By and probably will have three hundred and six electoral college votes ship and the popular vote by we're between five and seven million votes. Donald Trump one three and six electoral votes last time, and he call that a landslide and support his call it a landslide. So, whichever way such things you ve just on which a strange one is imputed consistency for President she's unnecessary, and we know that and the second is you talked about the popular vote as if

The thing who isn't it a little bit of a thing, I'd like it to be, but it has done it would be a link in the other direction, will be a thing if doll trumpet when the popular vote and Joe Biden just eat it out in the electoral college. I mean, Israel on the country's right, I mean other democracies are frequently a thing in the United States. As you know, it's not as much about that. So what your definition of close watch, finish Nicolet, while also one when I say it's a close selection, what I mean A linear, contested Nanda destroy close I mean I mean both its not close enough that contestation can be effective in my view, and that's really important, but it's pretty close. What do I mean? By close, in its down to a few swing states right. That's what we're look! we had some of those swing. States have margins that are reasonably tight and while the Democrats have to in the presidency. The Republicans have done

well in every other aspect I mean so. In other words, this was not a blue wave. It's hard to describe this even as a blue ripple. I mean, if I'm a republic and as you know, fill it with a party, but if I were a Republican, I think I'd be pretty happy with this outcome. I mean just objectively speaking, I think the Republicans end up with a sigh Nick and power in some ways more power than the Democrats coming out of this election in January, quitter per second about how people got this wrong. You know you're, not a cop, MR, what you deal and data and analytics alot? What went wrong headed the predictions and projections Jen in the country, get it wrong and then specifically, why? Was it so wrong and main and in other places, specifically one ask about something that I know people have been talking about. The sort of Trump voter

response bias completely. What's that about so, what's really interesting, as you know, I spend so much of my time, not thinking about the? U S but thinking about the rest of the world and when you compare here. The polling error in the United States in this election to pulling Aaron any other major advance industrial democracy, the? U S is such a clear outlier it so much worse here and and same polling methodology seem companies in many cases has not always been true as a result, more recent, its becoming worse yet worse in the: U S a why? Why is that an I mean you know. One obvious reason is because the United States has a large percentage of the population that feels like the institutions are illegitimate. And those institutions include mainstream media and pulling agencies. so I think you're getting a large percentage of the population and by large, in some cases, ten twenty percent. That simply will not take a call from a polling agency.

Represents a media organization, and this of all these people aren't helping me signing a question of lying terms, question and I will not talk to them, so your sample is automatically skewed to not include many people that are dealing minimized and those people tend to vote much more. anti establishment candidates, and certainly in twenty, sixteen and twenty twenty. We know who that candidate was, but if, if as a quantitative matter, if that sea diagnose, Yes- and you know the degree to which people feel that way, that the systems broken they're not gonna participate. Can you just for them? I think that in the future, when I think it's really hard, I think it's really hard, because I don't think you do know how many people that way, and you don't know how many of them are necessarily voting, one where the other, because there simply not talking to you it's a black box. It's an absence of data. I mean you're pulling can be really good in. The standing, a sample that you have information from, but if there is a black hole

the part of your sample. I don't I don't care what methodology you using you're, not getting that black hole and that's that so I think the presumption has been all the way through two thousand and sixteen two thousand and twenty. If there are people that we're not getting well that we're just going to them, as if their representative There's no other women. You can use judgment, but that judgment is not going to inform my dad. Do you know people personally who fall into this category absolute? Actually, my mother used to fall into that category by the way, and why is that my mother there. What? What? What do you want to get into this cousin? Well, we need to talk about your mother. We can we can. Are you? Are you lying down an under couch? I saw you his couch on the zoom earlier I took my shoes I took it up here. I should tell the audience that that even like to let us know what's going on, and even though we are not on video and only audio, he decided to inform me in the team that he was taking. Issues of the question is make your answer in reference, your mother, or not. What is this

it's been going on in our politics or in our society, or a culture that is causing people to two almost wade disenfranchised themselves were at this is so themselves from what's going on and what has caused them to go over the edge with respect, respect for the system, its displacement It's a sense that there is no opportunity for themselves or for their kids, that their forgotten that the country is moved on, that nobody cares about them. It's reflected in greater suicide rates in drug addicts, as part of it is, of course, directly economic, and we see that with your gap of economic inequality in the? U S compared to other countries, but it's not just that. It's you know wars that we fight on the back of the same people There aren't successful and treated like heroes when they come back. It's a country that changing quite a bit graphically we're, bringing in the lot of emigrants, White Cinema

there will be a minority by twenty forty five, and yet you know it's kind of acceptable to be. in many circles to be racist against white rural. under educated underclass in the United States, in a way that you would never think it was. Ok, I'm in the garage thing right the way that it would never be ok to make fun of blacks in the? U S like that, our spanish x or muslims- and I think, all of those things together and trained people say Trump has been. so bad to the base, he's lied and certainly Trump has. If you look at it regulatory role back. If you look at his tax policies, he's not drain the swamp at all. Right, I mean he's been great for billionaires, she's been great for you and me economically and he's been great

for big businesses and bank. Where are you? Are you suggesting that were billionaires? Now I swear. I started with millionaires and another one going one step exclusive ice. I mean Jesus. If you and I like just set up shop someplace wicked by a really nice house. You know we buy away in another. Oh I win ends can be there's gonna, be a competition for that's more expensive. We could probably button it about it just before right now. It's answer. What would we do with it, though? We would just will it would just by aims have pointed out we make it a game. Show network does not actually about idea. I think gamesters over other games is going to become more popular now that Alex Tribeca, that no now the people, twenty four he from politics once This raises settled. I don't like that just about like such a such a bad coincidence for you to bring that oil as until morning. So my ok, You ever been in jeopardy question of you with a knack for explaining complex legal issues with simple language, stay tuned with print pre. Being this x, you S attorney Jonathan Louisbourg era, but I've been a cry

sward puzzle, clue twice as requested it s a lot of people, because it's been sticking in my head since I've had the philosopher it will send out on the show part of what you're talking about He says is how liberals and progressives have valorize college and made college for the Holy GRAIL and its great and in all the statistics show that you have a higher income over your lifetime and longer life expectancy, and all that, if you have a college degree. But two thirds Americans don't get a college degree. Mature ain't nothin. So right this this inordinate stress on college and going to college is good, but on the flip side there is the implication. If you don't go to college or not worthy near awkward, and that's terrible do agree with that If so, what we do about you, I think it's a big part of the problem and I also think lack of access to gatekeepers, even if you get into college, but it's not it's not a first year or second to your college is becoming

problem- and I mean you know you- and I remember you- the varsity blues thing right when I mean you ve got these these wealthy parents to do everything possible to ensure that that wealth continues and that that connectivity continues, and you know you- and I don't have that. growing up in its and in a lot of these kids. A lot of these adults will never have anything remotely like that. What do we do about it or we will we're gonna have to really in vast in universal lifetime training and education? Right I mean it's, it's not about teaching people code and not now, in fact that we want a gets better coatings, gonna be useless, but we have to. We have to treat teach critical thinking. We have to actually improve people's ability to engage in real or, position or and management conversations, we have to train them to function in a modern society and

not necessarily a four year college degree, but its very different than forgetting about such a large piece of our popular and this is gonna get so much worse next year, because we have just experienced a year of pandemic and what the one thing we know about pandemic is, it has show accelerated the deficiencies of technology, companies and the knowledge economy. And if you are not a part of that, you are showing gonna talk more about all of this in an people are disaffected, but I don't want to lose sight of what we began Tom about, and that is why were in trouble. surprise at all. In the aftermath of burden being projected is the winner that virtually every you, a senator, is taking trump side. Did you think they would mean a folded up once that happened, I'm not sure they have sure they have. First of all, we ve already seen a number of centres. It's not just Mitt Romney that have already called to Congress.

Chile Biden on winning the presence in the usual suspects. Mitt Romney, ITALY, some Rakowski it sooner HOLLAND's and coins Events ass. I think we ve had a news for may be fighting for, I think those one more that said that he may not have called, but he said that the Trump had to start the transition get that process going to the wider more. Is it because they're afraid of Trump? Is it because I, like Trump? Is it because they're trying to protect their own reputations with the base of Trump? While I think there are few things first, even though the media, including Fox NEWS, has called the outcome, and it was funny I was on with Maria Guatemala the other morning and well after foxes call the outcome, and she starts the interview with its saying with me. Well, if it turns out that Biden becomes the present Nigeria

after, unlike Maria as since we're on your show on Fox NEWS. I actually think we should go with the call of your company just and then it just for the purposes of this interview. Amateur give credit she didn't try to undermine that are anything, but she is kind of she had to throw it, and because all these people are posturing for Trump himself and for the family, and they want to do that. They want to be, well thought of in in their grace servant. But now I think that we need understand that, where we are right now, is that, despite the fact that these media companies have called it Trump, has every legal right to contest these outcome comes through cases. You are. You know that much better than I do and an as that goes if you're out of your Mcconnell, I don't think there's any harm in saying what's allow those legal cases to proceed. he will exhaust them in very short order and once he exists.

them. There will be nothing else for him to do, though, still be some Republicans, it stick with them, but I think once the legal process is over, you will have nothing close to the Republicans that would be necessary to effectively try to contest to overturn this outcome, which would require your revenge. I hope that Russia, requires an optimistic about that. I feel very looking there are harms know that right, I'm among the harms is a delay. in transition year delay in President Elect Biden, getting National security briefings, and yet not good. They were has also just looking like our political sense M, is massively dysfunctional to every other country around the world and making the average American. Why Sapo yesterday said seventy percent of Republicans think the elections been stolen. You just The level of divide in the United States right now, politically, I think, is significantly greater than that of any other major advanced industrial democracy, Europe. This year's been moving, other direction they ve been actually fuck.

redistributing income from the wealthy north to the south and- and I spoke with the greek Prime minister- he said we're doing a Marshall plan right now, because the guy the Germans and, and then the dutch and French are helping us out that's not what we were talking about ten years ago when they were almost grex it. Reduces euro scepticism. It reduces the polarization extremes, United Sates, it's exactly the opposite that happening and that hurts our country. It hurts the power of our country. It hurts the effectiveness of our institutions, it damages us and so Trump Trump. will not be the president on January twenty first, but he is causing

more damage, and I think that damage will persist well beyond into the Biden Administration, on the spectrum of well functioning and stable and open democracies. Is it true that you would have always placed America in the past at the far end of the spectrum in a good way? What's the past? Well, no thirty years ago. Ok, yes, thirty years ago, yes, and where do you? Where would you place it today? That's really painful question pre, because I think if you have a spectrum- and let's say you know China, Russia, I'm in North Korea, the extreme but China rush on one side of the spectrum, which is strongly authoritarian, closed, illegitimate system, not representative of its people and on the other side of the spectrum, Canada. Germany the Nord X, the United States thirty years ago. Absolutely was solidly in that camp and today is not

and I mean significantly has eroded in the middle- would be something like Hungary or Turkey, and we in Hungary or Turkey, and so- certainly were not remotely close to being an authoritarian state and all of the people on social media that that war about this, and that's not where we are, but we have eroded significantly and why many reasons I mean. If you look at the the bureaucracy in the United States and the role that special interests and big money have play, in capturing the regulatory process that that's one. that the- U S, legitimacy or institutions is eroded. If you look at the elections that have gone that now take two years and call

billions and billions of dollars. And you know a wreck were reflected by an electoral college. That demographically increasingly is very far from what the people of the United States actually look like, and the efforts to survive. Ass, the vote to allow for functionally minority rule that has legitimize than eroded the process. If you look at just how divided the legislature is and how incapable even someone like Joe Biden, whose a centrist that would want to be by partisan, but how incapable he is of reaching out of the aisle to the right or even reaching out across the owl, effectively come next year too. His own laugh. That's eroded the process, the executive and how we just had an impeachment process, which I mean one Republican, voted to convict and we just had to presidential debates. The word impeachment wasn't mentioned once

in either debate. That's an erosion of our institutions that I dont think all of our institutions have eroded dramatically. I don't think the military has even with esper and some of his confederates being thrown out unceremoniously by Trump yesterday. I think the judiciary still is raised when we talk about the second shore, but I'm just across the board. If that answer your question, twenty twenty cannot say the United States deserves to be lumped with Germany, and Canada and the Nordic and Japan as well functioning representative democracy. You can't and when our Secretary of state comes out in the last week and says there have been significant irregularities in elections in Myanmar and the coat of war and Tanzania, and that we criticise that we we have no credibility. We have no business

criticising the elections. We should let the Canadians do it for a few years, but we did we just have no business. No people around the world are looking to the. U S and say I want my political system to run like that and that that reflects the answer to your question that we, we can no longer put the United States in this, except your camp. Where do you put? The UK has not eroded as far as the United States but in many ways be again, the role of money in the UK and the political system is dramatically diminished from the United States but I'm in the mainstream media has become deeply politicized. Social media is incredibly dysfunctional and- and I think the checks and balances in the UK have become more problematic the firing of Secretary Esper. I've been getting a lot of texts and messages from people, who really concerned about what the hell is going on at the Department of Defense, the acting

secretaries, somebody who folks, don't believe is anywhere near qualified? They put in a chief of staff to that person who people have a lot of worries about in a party loyalist not to be sensationalist. But is there any reason at all to be concerned about, what's going on a deity in terms of Donald Trump Planning, to engage in certain kinds of behaviour or erase certain kinds of material or information. Are you by that at all or live a man or woman in terms of level of incoming breathless panic that you're receiving, would you say this is greater about the same or less than you got when wreck grow now was appointed. Acting head of intelligence is of a different nature, its coming from people who who know the folks involve personally and other backgrounds. So it's not your dramatic people getting the vapours. It's from people who I trust and respect

who can who are not in Freetown mode but are really sort of raising their eyebrows. If at what kinds of things are going on a deity, in a way that I not seen with respect to other things. Our first, I think that the profession Illustration of the military in the United States is very high and that rule in the case, irrespective of who the group before five people that are running the deity are the joint chiefs of staff? Again, absolutely and you saw the the letter that that came from them during the the horrible charade in Latvia. where, during the black lives matter, protests I'm not worried about. that I'm not worried about engineering or orchestrating a coup, and you see a lot of language like this out there I nonetheless all that language. You know coup treason, lock him up everything, that's what people to say. In people about an eye at it anymore? You John hardy.

and wrote me a couple days ago and said that he thought it was cool cause play and I thought that was that was evocative. That was a nice turn of phrase right I mean these are like you know. its dress up but you're saying don't worry about it, I'm saying don't worry about it. I think that the most credible intel I've heard on this is that is substantive. Is it s per at owl were refusing trumps demand to take all troops out of Afghanistan a by an operation. So Trump can say. I have accomplished this, as I promised and and that's what led to the firing as you know, there was already a resignation letter, the letter that had been written, and I I'm sure it was written well before that that it was actually leaked. Well, it's finally happening the world is on

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for every Biden supporter to reach out to one person who voted for troubling. You sent this while who were dancing in June, nation in Streets of the cities of the United States of America unclear. The timing was great. I'm with you on the assumption that it have you know, is one of the context for a listeners. Now is the time every Biden supporter to reach out to one person who voted for trump empathize with them. tell them. You know how they feel you do for twenty. Sixteen come up with one issue you can agree on end quote: explain yourself It's funny! I'm in here it is it's one because I was watching on tv and and I didn't realize you sent that we and I saw the people dancing and washing square park and then suddenly hundreds of them picked up their cell phones and, I think, starts make phone calls the Trump supporters, because I know that funny things I see it and everyone's been waiting waiting waiting. We all know for the whole week whose one

the election, but no one's making the call so waiting, it's all the way through it Saturday. Finally, the call jubilation everyone can lead out their collective. It can exhale and see, for me. The misread people had on that tweet twitter. The timing was obviously bad, but the misread that people have on that tweet was that this was not about calling up. supremacists who want you to die. This is about the average American actually doesn't care that much about politics and we ve been so divided for four years and really what we care about his pda and our kids soccer match is going out in having a beer with folks and all of that, an entry has been an enormous problem and now he's gone and that should allow us to actually reach out and be Americans more again and look No, how I wrote a whole book on us

she's them and how Globalism has failed and divided this country's noon. I ve been talking about this, but I thought that that would be a useful message to send, especially because so many people were in vindictive mode and so The people were in denial and but hurt mode, and I am neither of those things so an especially because the elections themselves were we're so divided I mean it's not like, everyone has something to be disappointed about. The Trump supporters have lost their president. They lost their megaphone. The the Democrats have lost seats in the house. They ve lost a state legislatures, they're, gonna, six, three Supreme Court against them in their probably still don't have the Senate. So this is an outcome that should You think the only way we can do anything if we start to work together. At least the world did you at least note the almost immediate response that I wrote to my own tweet. I think I miss that. Did you really

was a response and looking I watch your twitter feed like a hawk sir yeah, but that, but this one was a big one, they performed? Well, that's the measure So here it was, it was fifteen minutes later and suggest did up while we were talking and then I wrote, alternatively or alternately, you can just tell me the if that's more cathartic Ok with it, I did see the and here's the beautiful thing is is like sixteen thousand people like the first week thousand people like Immediate Could the one thing we could all agree about? Democrats? Republican. You too, as I was telling me to cough, and, unlike that's cool, you know, I'm you gonna own yourself, you might as well liked really do it. That was my view, but seriously this back to the spirit of your comment. There are lots of its hand, wringing on the subside on the side who say so version what you just said and that we need to come to some understanding and we need to heal and then something

on that side say what are you talking about? We won its not just from voters who had been demonize, but we urban dwellers liberals. People who live on the coasts were people too. The cities. Are you know actions of commerce they provide for the country that contribute to the gdp and with impunity, trumpet evil. comes from. A city grew up in a city made his fortune in a city. Why don't they make some effort to understand US fair yeah I went after Megan Kelly for that, for precisely and she responded and she was. She was pretty clueless around people but Megantic. Megan Kelly went after Biden. Biden was offering a message of unity, basically saying in his speech the same thing that I was set in my tweet a few, where's later which was you know, I'm gonna govern for four people that vote

for me voted against me and by the way. Why don't you go and reach out to someone that one of your neighbours that has a trump flag and go talk to him? on their long, and I mean people didn't drag Biden. The way they dragged me. Because I mean you know, he's gonna be the president, but but it's the same point in making Kelly comes out and says spoken like someone who's been in his basement for the last year, Megan you don't you you're an influence, sir actually has it you ve gotta a reach that really matter to a lot of loans. Yes, still does absolutely she does she mean she has an enormous following, even though she doesn't have a job, she still an enormous following that. A lot of people like that and an eye Who said I I think you need to lead by example. Honestly, I think that you can do better and, and and I got a lotta responses battle. I don't think this message is only for the after and how it. Why is it that the left would have to always

to turn the other cheek and reach out I've ethic. Anyone in a position of power- I'm not talking about folks that have been truly used? I'm not talking about remind my comment was not you know four for someone that spin them. some black here on the wrong side of police in urban centre in the United States. I am talking about the average rate in file American, who has been frankly come since an lazy over the last four years. While all of this has been going on on both sides of the political aspect, and especially those with the following. Especially those with some money, specially those who get listen to add the thanksgiving table, everyone says. Well, what does? What do you have to say? Those are the people, no matter what their political inclinations that have to do better. They just have to do

and they're. Not, I feel like you are. Let me one of them is that things are really like about you preach is you know you are you have a political perspective. I agree with you. Sometimes I don't agree with you all the time, but I feel like you actually have empathy. You care, you are authentic. You don't just take shots at people to make them feel bad at a political. I lied, and I think that that's very that's increasingly very rare in our country, twitter makes it worse. Look you know. I've said from the beginning, after trumps election in the first place that he was right about a number of things. he's right about this- that there is a swamp his right to allow The system is rigged and he's right. A lot of people been forgotten. those three things. He is absolutely one hundred percent right about. I don't think he's fixed any of those things, but some of those Issues still remain the case, but what is it he hasn't done anything right. I want. I want a push back on.

Could, I agree on you and those will look he has caused. This is true. He has caused, as you see from the vote in twenty twenty, a large section of the population, to believe that he remembers them and has not nothin about them. I don't think he has done much by way by way of deed, to do that he's done more by way of rhetoric, but if if that's the concession wanted me to give I'll give that I wanted to give a little more than that again, I there's no, he's draining the swamp is he's, got a cabinet full of billionaires and private sector, guys promoting their interests, but he has worked a hell of a lot harder to end the wars? Then Hillary Clinton would have, and then Obama Biden did- and I think that matters he's also, oh pushed really hard to limit immigration into the United States and as much as you, and I think that more immigration,

good? There are a lot of people in the United States that do not because they don't feel like they are benefiting from it. Why would you do Kara these other people. When you're not taking care of me, then you ve got him pulling out of the transpacific partnership, which Obama tried to get done I think, for a lot of Americans. They have very just very strong justifications. why there should not be more free trade deals unless you're gonna do something to address their needs and interests and am not even talking about you know The subsidies for the farmers that where the coal workers and the rest, which were obvious giveaways that were kind of stupid and bad for the country's inefficient? I'm talking about things that legitimately, if you were a trump voter back and twenty six seeing you look back for years, Ladys a yeah he good on those things he also works really hard to own the lives and say the mainstream media is full of it and they love that. I don't find that constructive at all, as on presidential, is not becoming our leader but

I mean, I'm just saying. I think that there are many strong and legitimate reasons why someone that voted in twenty sixteen would vote for Trump and twenty money, and it doesn't mean there are white supremacist and I've just been stunned. Although there are now many friends of mine believe that the only people that support tromp erases, but as somebody who some people might formulate the racist tend to support from fair or not the lowly, but I mean those here I mean those the the No exemption turn completely direction yet I wanted it like. I think that it is Lompoc extremists, probably It is over well mainly for o bomber, as opposed to Mccain around me in the United States. I dont think that reality in any way reflects the fact that he should be tarred with that now. It is absolutely true that Trump has dog whistled for racism, a lot but conflicting that with the idea, that

tromp supporters are racist, is insane wiping out, but I don't important qualified burn Kaweah that you just mentioned the track. It's not just the fact that some people who think a certain way are drawn to Trump is it. He invites their approach. He invites their support. He sometimes more than dog whistles the tried and an ax enabling vows and causing people to have. I'm not saying this is right. Cause some people to think. Well, if the leader of the tree and the leader of the party thrives on that support and both sides- things after Charlottesville it causes them to have. You know no negative view, maybe the generalised of Trump supporters of everyone that supports him, and I think that the that's a serious problem in our country. I think one of the reasons that the tweet did so badly is. I have no problem with people. I myself call trump

unfit for office of the worst character of any leader I've seen in my life in the United States, I mean authoritarian tendencies. All of these things you want to demonize Trump have at it, but the idea that you can use that to broad brush Seventy plus million Americans is crazy. So damaging, and yet it seems to be where a very large piece of the population is right now I've it been drawn to maybe it's idealistic drawn to politicians. with by action- but but also in their rhetoric talk about unity. Obama comes on the stage the nationals in two thousand for an job in sixteen years later. Basically, quotes from that Obama speech on a regular basis, leading up to the election day than a red states. No blue states, which is the United States of America, and so I appreciate and cherish binds words about unity.

And about healing, but it's kind of a controversial term of the other things. A maiden Kelly said right was, you know, after bashing Trump supporters, maniacs for a long period of time. Now you want to heal because you won the election. Are we ready he'll yet as there have to be a period of examination and reflection before we can try to adopt bromides like let's heal the sound to the seventy million Americans who didn't vote for Joe Biden. So let's leave the United States for a second, so the grease has just gone through a depression, a depression that was worse than the depression, both it in scale and depth from what we experience in the great depression hundred plus years ago. That is extraordinary and yes, and and one could argue that it was caused insignificant part by the rapaciousness and the unwillingness to treat as fellow humans

weeks by Germany and by others in northern Europe, and yet today there is a healing that is going on in this area and this going on, because we're in the middle of kroner virus and the european acting like all Europeans are in the same boat, their reaching out. It makes a difference, and so the thing that would have made me happiest is if Biden had been able to pull off a Senate majority so that you get a three trillion plus stimulus, includes big money for infrastructure, includes big money for municipalities and for states. allows Biden to actually govern with the resources. That shows that he is a precedent for the red and blue states at a time that the people really need in the met in the teeth of the worst crisis of our lifetimes, and of course that is not gonna happen, but it's not gonna happen, but I I absolutely

think that you can begin healing if you have some policies that show The leaders of the United States really care they're, really did to making a difference there, not just talking at you belying and that's a problem for us pick. One policy that is feasible to accomplish with a republican Senate, the Joe Biden could champion That would cause some subset of those seventy million people- thinking, oh, what they wasn't just talk about healing and unity, but Joe Biden in it and he hears us and sees us too, Certainly you want to see at least extended unemployment support at absolutely critical. We need to make sure or that all these people there are facing getting evicted from their homes or defaulting on their dad. I think that's a serious problem and in owed its the rubbish bin, it hit the road.

for a bunch of these people in really short order. So he needs to do that if that means that they need to hold their no. In compromise on a bunch of other things that otherwise they don't want to spend they gotta do it. They gotta try again. less unless they take both seats in Georgia and they're gonna fight like hell to do it, in which case they ll be able to push it through themselves, elevate, look out. The thing. I am much more because this is a governance, I'm quite negative on, divided governance in the: U S next year I think in many ways Biden will be the weakest president since Carter in seventy six, but I also saw the news that just came out on the vaccine from Pfizer and if we ve got vaccines that are ninety per se, defective and they are rolling out at the beginning of the by the administration. You may not get three trillion dollars and stimulus

Those vaccines may well represent a two percent GDP bump next year for the United States, that's massive and that that allows you to get your kids back to school. That allows people to go back to work in places where you can't socially distance. That gets us back to normal by the end of Biden First year, if you can do that wages are gonna go up and and then you ve got more flexibility, certainly that it's a big if it's a big, if what you asked, what something that can happily something we can be hopeful about, you wanna do you wanna, go in and jointly invest in companies that are building refrigerators that can go to minus eight a degree celsius. We're gonna need em globally. Her I mean this is something that the United States will have very little problem. Getting those two hour plumbing we couldn't. We couldn't have p p, some to go right, we're running masks and toilet paper in we ran a toilet paper in the store. So I mean it's sound negative, but I'm very worried that you vaccine, but not a lot of vaccinations yeah. I I'm I'm dead

I feel better about that. I mean that we we got pee up and running within a matter of weeks, and no hospitals in the United States, ended up having the tree eyes the way they did in northern ITALY, for example, and for every one that has said the trumpets mishandled the corona virus. Let's be clear that the second I believe that Europe is experiencing right now, both per capita in terms of cases hospitalizations and deaths, considerably worse than the United States today. So this is a hard disease to deal with and I I wanna be optimistic in the last eight months: mortality rates of this disease. But we have never seen before are down thirty to fifty percent. That's true, because we ve and a lot and that's gonna continue. So if you add that- hey, I'm actually a little bit more member trump lost because of kroner bars.

If corona virus had been handled a little bit better off the timing had been different. Trump, probably would one. I am worried that Biden and his new corona virus taskforce staffed by some mutual friends of yours and mine. I'm gonna focused so much on the epidemiology. They don't also engage with the economists and, let's face it. Twenty twenty was mostly about the epidemiology twenty twenty one is probably gonna, be mostly about the economic knock on effects and we have to be airing more towards balancing more towards opening economies. When mortality rates are going down when we have more effective treatment and when we have vaccines, we have to do that and so I think that there is a balance here and right now: it's red state versus blue state, its lock it all down verses. White House super, spread or event. That is not a comfortable place for a country. To be sure, you said that you spent of your time, if not most of your time. Thinking about

outside the United States and of course, I've made. You talk mostly about domestic policy, let me ask you: this is the fact that by be weakened in part because of a republican majority in the Senate, which is likely to be so this economic Biden, the foreign policy, focused president, and if so, how do you think that will look? It's interesting Biden is much more different from Trump in domestic policy, but also very constrained. Biden is much less constrained in foreign policy, but in vain ways he's aligned with lotta trumps policies. I mean certainly in terms of the relatively hawkish stance on China, certainly in terms of less? U S military footprint, not like Hitler at all widens someone that will want to end that war in Afghanistan. I dont think

Trade relations are gonna, be all that different under binding. You know he supports the: U S, embassy ay and we support the South Korea deal all that kind of thing, the things that will be very different under bide and in terms of foreign policy. I would say there are two. The first is the equivalent of executive orders but internationally to just rejoined multi lateral institution? So so Six days later we reach when the Paris climate accord, we rejoined, the World Health Organization. We join Kovacs for vaccine development and distribution, We rejoined the intermediate nuclear forces agreement with the Russians. These are fairly significant deals that will help to build confidence. Allies of the United States. I think it matters. Secondly, It will be a honeymoon with Biden. Simply cuz, so many foreign leaders felt like

walking on egg shells when they met with tromp. They publicly would want to say good things because it he so much more powerful. But you know they they beat. Him is someone they could go off at any moment that could explode. There would be a real problem, for them. That's why the mexican President still hasn't actually congratulated by cuz. He knows how long for he is if trumped decides that he wants to take a whack. Just can't can't afford it, and so I think, Mexicans the Canadians, the Japanese, the South Koreans. Almost all the Europeans literally, that's that most of the american allies will just have a honeymoon for the first time third summit meetings. They have with Biden, doesn't mean they still have problems, I mean they're, not angry at the United States, for not doing things, Obama Biden were criticised very heartily for leading from behind for not reacting effectively onrush intervention, Ukraine or on a side and Syria are so many other things, but there will be more normalization, and I think that's a helpful thing

It will be the area that Biden will try to make his mark to the greatest degree internationally and twenty twenty. There's gonna be a very big year for big enough, national announcements to improve focus on climate. He taught me about Saudi Arabia. Sure. What's it look like or Envious- has had a very close personal relationship with Jared. I said a voice a good relationship with Trump, The Saudis definitely see themselves as one of the losers from bide and winning. I think that the United States will care less about maintaining a big military footprint, work more or less. Certainly, if binds focusing mostly on climate- and we are energy more or less independent. Now, as the United States, why does Saudi Arabia matter as much plus? Most importantly Biden will try to rejoin the Jason

the way the Iranian Nuclear Deal and that's something that the Saudis strongly opposed. Most American allies supported the Saudis and in one of the reasons you got these the Abraham Accords, which other the normalization of relations between Israel and the We ve and Bahrain, not yet Saudi Arabia, but the South Asia, even allowing israeli planes to their airspace. That was in large part, because IRAN is considered to be the principal geopolitical concerning the Red so Biden comes in and suddenly starts allow in the Iranian to produce more oil tries rejoin take some of those sanctions off the South EAST, gonna feel like there in a really difficult position, because the few The USA has diversified their economy immensely south. Rabies is still mostly about oil and petrol him, and that is that is not our fuel, the future. It's that's not the way you want your country to grow, if memory serves at the beginning of the Obama administration, there was all

talks on the which affected cases trying to bring in a sudden district relating to to russian spying. But there was all this talk about a reset with Russia. Not gonna happen right now isn't. It should be the opposite now itself over the opposite, because even though Trump personally wanted a reset with Putin, his administration did not his cabinet did not. There were whistleblowers inside the bureaucracy that did not the Republicans in the GEO P did not the journalists were doing their damnedest to make it hard. I would argue that actual? U S. Policy towards Russia under Tromp has, if anything, gotten slightly more hawkish the. U S now provides missiles to Ukraine. This was, of course, a big piece of the javelin missiles of the young of the impeachment a case against Trump, I'm something he tried to delay. But couldn't do U S sanctions against Russia? For specifically,

for their intervention southeast Ukraine have continued to escalate over the last four years. Biden will continue in that direction, but I don't think it's gonna change very much on the actual policy between those two administrations on Russia will be virtually identical. Giving trump runs again in twenty four, or at least doesn't take it off the table, Well, why would you take it off the table? No really. I mean, I think, there's a decent chance that he announces in the near future, He might, though, I like the I'm if he decides to buy Owen and how could he not do an apprentice and actual apprentice for the republican nominee and twenty twenty four to explain to people would Owen and is the audience America NEWS Network, one american news network, it is are more uniformly pro trump, then Fox NEWS. It's like take Tucker Karlsson. and an Sean Hannity, and then

imagine they get really drunk and it goes three a m in the morn, that is, That's your morning, edition of away in Vegas definitely in Vegas, definite to throw in Somalia. Jones, I mean only an end, is I think, watching for minutes of oil and every once in a while is, is amusing and an eye. think that makes our era virus that doesn't make. It makes me a bad person. Could they should not take amusement? people that are so obviously misguided. I shouldn't that's a bad. It's a bad characteristic that I have it is nearing, Well, you know it did you find him during no not really has to be nice. That's too I gotta appreciated that further for Lucifer's get. You know. I've said this before. I really think that ambition in life was not necessarily be the president, but to be the most talked about person on earth, he's an advert for attention. Knock, not achievement, not accomplishment, not patriotism.

it's hard to get out of here right. It is, and we know what to do about it. I had a way. It is a lesson. We realise that the latest SEC weight and so far the reason why I think he must run- or at least look like he's and is that immediately makes him descent of attention and we, as is even his, is gonna, see that stuff, as I said yesterday, is going to see the spotlight to block someone like Josh, Holly or Tom, come now, that's horrifying from horseback to break our father and he sorted like thinks, he made clear the field for a little while in but look I'm afraid. People are of offending his base and he could be that the irish presidency If we are to win three elections in Iraq, right you're being facetious there but that's what he's gonna say that, absolutely and that can be his Logan back to the initial question, the whole show in a universe in which Donald Trump is actively suggesting that he's gonna run against Biden and recapture the White House in twenty four. How much worse does that make this?

problem of divisiveness. And how are you gonna have unity and healing if the guy who lost is out there, not just talking smack but talking smack, as well as the putative future candidate for president. That's that's yet one more reason. Why think Biden can be such a weak president? It's so unfortunate, but it's the country is so divided and Trump is not going away. His ability to DR an agenda. His ability- and you shall Eric trunk, came out and basically told these Republicans in name only rhinos. These are our voters. These are not your voters. The trumps photos and Trump is wielding his voters as a club over a democratic institution that has basically seated power to him of the Republican Party, and that's that problem for them. I mean this election has gone really well for the Republicans, because they have won basically everything except the president's and Trump never was a republican anyway he's not a democratic.

He. Just his own thing and so to the east They can get rid of him. That would be useful for the future, the Republican Party, but, as you just suggested, I don't think they can unless he ends up in jail, and I I wonder I mean this is the question I have for you is leaving aside the issue of pardoning for federal crimes, how credible are these New York cases that are going to be coming up against him and and could he actually do you think it's possible? He could end up in prison before two thousand and twenty four. Thing is plausible. I, as a former prosecutor hearing, on outside who didn't see the grand? material it and see the documents he didn't see this no returns. I would sometimes be amused speculation about how strong likelihood there was of a particular person in the public eye being charged or not charged. So I had the times when their investigating someone in people thought of They would not happen in the dead and vice versa too, so that Maybe I don't know all the details of what's going on in the investigation by silence, I would not be shocked if nothing ever came of them, because that's it

each of those kinds of inquiries. I would also not be shocked if there were some tax charge or were bank fraud charge that has brought? I also think on this question that you didn't ask, but that keeps getting asked. You know what happens in the future. Putting a pardon possibility, aside from a man so potent side for a moment. Does the by demonstration in a look forward or do they look backward and try to figure out accountability for potential, backed by the president, and I dont know that they're gonna have the luxury of making that decision on their own, because nations, have a momentum of their own right and it's one thing that we all know about this. I am of the Mulder Report and there's a credible basis for charges to be brought against the present, based just on that, and you can make the argument Biden might or is it general might do you know what that's been aired. There was an impatient proceeding, it's kind of old Let's move on, and I get mired in this because we believe in unity and healing that's one thing which will by

That itself will be very controversial and people will be very upset about it. On the progressive side, it's quite a different matter if, in the beginning of February, or even earlier than that have what I predicted knows: rhythm the likelihood of people from the Trump Administration out and blowing the whistle on all sorts of other stuff that nobody has any idea of yet and by the way, allow that could be seen it's happening in the next, seventy four days are absolute and I fully expect that's gonna. random in their books and national. Now imagine a world you wake up on February, one buttons talked about I assume you talked about healing moving forward and now there's front pages in your time to the front page of the Washington Post in a very too bad stories about destruction of documents about false testimony in all sorts of other things. The Trump and his people might have done that. Nobody has any idea before the momentum. In favour of opening an investigation, in some fashion, on the federal side,

is going to be enormous. So I don't know if you're going to have the luxury of being able to say we're going to move on or not because because the record is not closed, it's an OPA I think the legacy and even though there's enough I view zero chance. That Biden doesn't become president on January. Twenty, I think the legacy of the last four years going to be so much more toxic and problematic than people presently presume again this there's no other advanced industrial democracy in the world that has this problem right now we're the only one we just happened to be the biggest that's a sea, Are you serious problem, especially when you Have all of this displacement crisis going on being Bremmer. President and founder of the Eurasia group Jeez Euro Media, a lucky man same figure. He cannot say it. I love you. I love! You too, is to urge to outweigh the guy. I'm workin on pre exist.

My conversation within Bremmer continues for members of the cafe insider community to try out the membership free for two weeks had a cafe dot com, slash inside it again that cat they die Slash incited the folks had been a prettier than for weak or eight days we have an election, We have delay in the projection of who is going to win and we have a delay in the losing party conceding the loss, as we have been discussing but when I mention something that I wrote about last week last Thursday in between the day of the election and the time on Saturday, when Joe Biden was projected to be the winner of the Electoral College the note. I went every week to cover insiders and I made an observation- I said Like me, I'm sure you're all glued to the news waiting for the moment. The Joe Biden secures enough votes to be declared. The President elect a very confident that this will

and soon, and then they also said- yet among many long suffering, Democrats, there is no ecstasy, no euphoria, and I said that's for a couple reasons: one the Senate, may not be won by Democrats and two it looks like it was a really the close election. I think people wanted a humiliating repudiation of Trump and Trump ISM. There is, I mention it is. There was a feeling of kind of Columbus. Even though Biden was very very likely, if not almost certainly to be declared the winner. isn't it. We got to Saturday all over the country, supporters of Biden when the He and NBC News and Fox NEWS and CNN, and all the networks called it for Biden when the vote Colleen Pennsylvania became too much for trying to overcome, guess what we saw solar ecstasy. We saw a lot of euphoria people celebrating the streets, people hawking their horns, people dancing people singing, I've never seen anything like it. So I want to admit error at my conclusion of the lack of those two.

intense feelings of ecstasy euphoria enjoy we're missing, maybe for the few days until the result became clear. But then why do we see at last Saturday? And I think that's a good thing and I think there were some catharsis and nothing some people myself polluted didn't even fully understand emotionally, although maybe they did intellectually but not emotionally what they needed from to lose and how much better it is for the country, and there was a nationwide exhale and relief and that's all- and that was all deserve, and that was all legitimate in the three afforded. it's because maybe that's the nature, our dna, there is little bit of return to cars. In an anxiety, even though the result was great and that's because doll troubling concede and that's because People still think there's a way for trumped to prevail. Most senators are taken from side, given that The attorney General United States seems to have issued guidance that caused

the election lawyer public servant election lawyer and the Justice Department to resign from his position. and I want to say, is I get that and I get that we have been rain to expect the worse from Donald Trump and, if had his brothers and you have the ability to do so in our system to stay election. He would, but I think it for to say based on everything and I'm just one person- and you know I'm not infallible but based on everything I see with respect to the Department of Justice with respect to how electors work with respect to the various lawsuits, most of which had been dismissed and many of which her outright laughable that the term campaign has sought to up to and including the crazy press conference by really Giuliani at that spot, called four seasons. Toad landscaping, notwithstanding all of that. see any way that he's gonna get the job done. The job is gonna, get the job done, These are face, saving mechanisms these are soothing machinations and at the

the day and by the end of the day I mean noon. On January, twenty twenty twenty one. Joe Biden Camel Harris. You can be sworn in as an ex president. Vice president of the United States, and there will be twists and turns between now and then she'll be moments, will people will be anxious and between emailing? In saying? Can this happen? answer almost certainly will be no so hold on feeling of revelation. If you were one of those people who want to Joe Biden to win because its deserved and it will come to pass, Well, that's it for this episode of statehood, thanks again to my guest in bremmer If you like what we do rate and review the show and apple pie casts or wherever you listen, everything that review helps new listeners, find the show send me

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