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That's John tester he's the senior United States senator from Montana he's all a democratic which makes him a rare breed in Montana stated. It overwhelmingly for Donald Trump twice testing is unusual, in other words, third generation farmer and he travels ACT Montana every weekend from DC to grow wheat, barley, p. And lentils? Last year, testing published a memoir about his life and political philosophy, is called, grounded senators lessons on winning Back rule America, as our model in a closer, divided Senate Tester has become a crucial swing both today, Senator Mr joins me to talk about his life. As a farmer, the state of the knighted State Senate and how democratic party can win back rural voters. Now, let's get to your questions.

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Different people react to things differently. I recall very well the issue that you raised about the run the king trial, but haven't paying very close attention and watching pretty much every day the Shovin trial, yeah. I guess there's a possibility there's some desensitize and going on with a speck of some subset of yours? but I balanced against. I think, portance of showing the video and the various angles that so powerfully over. From all the bits of evidence that the defences trying to confuse jurors with and hide but I think it goes a long way to forestalling allow the defence arguments about what the cause of death was about. The intent of officers Jovan was about what, He was reasonable in the proportionality of force that he used There's just there's. No getting around what you see in the video- and I think it gives a lot ammunition to yours

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here. Recording this Wednesday morning morning in the atm our, but you ve already been up for like for five hours that's how you roll senator, etc, I would say if it was, if I was in montana- and we were farming We are right now, Then you get up at daylight, nor all with itself after dark sometime butter. Here I try to get up around six. And then and then get out get to the office in good time morning is one. I do my best work and my best thinking and that's been true. In the pandemic is well yeah pretty, Yeah yeah for sure would you rather be known as a senator or as a farmer, farmer myself? Well, I don't know it's just gonna going on. I mean it serves were turned very fortunate because the life but to all There is neither one of them want to take over the firemen, and I did a very early age in the sky was able take over our family I am aware that my grandmother,

grandfather, it has been an incredible opportunity. Something I reinstall I mean. I I love you in the morning- walk outside smell in the air and listen to the birds. Singing and then get now. The tractor and in our stir, in the dirt then came a region and watching I mean I'm interested just continues and then in some years, Europe diamond some years or stolen and Working With mother nature, some Panza feels like you, workin against by the Nature mother natures workin against you with us, continue to continual challenge, sure you end up with a with a piece of property that you can pass on to your kids or someone for the next generation day to feed the world wide web It is really important and some incredibly rewarding, and it is also a place- and you know this pre having been in Washington DC its also free

Raven get I've done and look and see what you ve accomplished and oftentimes. Washington DC work for entire year and snow harvest, ro. The harvest never comes for. The forty acres, never guess work a hurry. To? Do it? What's the state of farming in America at this moment a opportunity, but, but I think dire need of some attention. I think the council, the nation, as happened in the marketplace, Well, you ve got basically three or four companies control. Eighty percent of the world's food supply is not healthy. It doesnt contributed. Competition capitalism and those kind of things it responds to the table It is the same thing on the input side, and so we ve we ve, found become over the last fifty or sixty years? People who, just in a week apply the the labour and the land pay the taxes and then the big eyes, control our lives, a lot

I would take this. It's like organics in the body. Six. Eighty seven and one of the reasons I did that for a number of reasons, but one of the reasons was I was driving my own fifty four gmc in the town with a load of wheat. You know I was twenty nine years old or so then I thought this not a lot of fun. I'm drop in this when are we often town, they're gonna, tell me what's wrong with it: they're gonna Doc, my prices and then I'm gonna take the price, take it or leave it, totally behold him then I would really like to get into a place where there is actually competition in the market place where I can offers. Some waiter lentils, royalties whatever may be to multiple people in endless. Bet against one another as to who has the best price. Not that way, that's exactly what we did and ass exactly what's happened over the last thirty five years in our galaxy, although it's starting to consolidate an organic agriculture too, which is very concerning to me butter but ultimately the end. I think we

too many subsidies from the federal government, and this is a Democrat is true of any solution to many times when you say to any subsidies, has had a farmer's here that well, when prices are bad? We get subsidies, okay and when you have a disaster that you ve got crop insurance. That, though the crop insurance is fine. I think the news it is also taxpayer supported. If necessary. But I will tell you last administration, for example, when President Trump gotten all these trade wars of the prey, of grain dropped at one point in time. It avoids above the farm in the spring of seventy eight. The price of wheat was within a few sense of what it was when we took the farm over in nineteen. Seventy eight, that's not. Sustainable and is not anyway. You can pass a farm on your kids, but it's better the trade war answer. What happened was theirs, Proper administration took money from the Commodity Credit Corporation, which is part of the USDA and sent out checks to the farmers, which was fine, but.

You're much rather get your cheque from the marketplace, and my folks always told me one when I was growing up. They said you don't know count on those federal taxes is your way to make this place pencil out. If you do you're going to get financial difficulty, that's all changed now and subsidies are part of agriculture, because there's no competition in the market places are. Consequently, prices are continuing ethic depressed. She mentioned Donald Trump, who himself as a champion of farmers. Embedding betting, you and he was otherwise and yet I think it's the case he got the overwhelming farmer vote, How does how does that happen? so he did you, the overwhelming farmer, vote the overwhelming world, though I think it happened, for a number of reasons, I think the to present did a marvellous job of selling himself. The sun. He wasn't. An added in a word

The thing that happened was passed because the pandemic, but truthfully has been done for many many elections, bypasses Democrats haven't crafted a message that rule America can get on board with. Can I think President Biden is is starting on doing that infrastructure, education. Those kind of things I think are still very, very important Roma and very necessary by the way, and we I mean I'm cycle, we as Democrats do it, but we don't talk about him enough and we don't talk about the benefits. We know we don't sell. It presents is a car salesman? I mean that's all it does is talk about them. Four things done an and sometimes their as wonderful as you says they are, and the the american people believed and they still believe in Romania. You met her? Will America couple times? In fact, subtitle of your book, grounded, is

they mentioned senators, lessons on winning back Rural America. What wise and important for Democrats, if Democrats can win without Rural America make the case for why that project is significant I think number one. I am not sure you can hold majorities in the Senate and the house without Roma, the goods. I think it's really important that we try to make inroads into those areas, because I think it's important for for for the to or majorities and majorities are very, very important? Did you get this the agenda, and why should he see if you're on the majority that support, because I think Europe states and I think you know we look at the coast. Basically in and we do very very well for the most part on these in the West Coast with and then a few states in the middle there with their respective you folks up on. If you turn back even fifteen years. You know. North Korea had a couple democratic standards.

Very good ones too. I might add Montana, had a couple. Arkansas had a couple those areas, I think, are important, not only electronically to make sure you have majorities. As I just said, because I think the democratic parties always prides itself on being a big, tent and being able to talk about issues that are important. Aroma also not only has been Roma Pfennigs Bit firm in America and vice versa by the way and so when we quit talking to rural American. We, as being Democrats were talking Earl, America. I think I think he's just a mistake, and so if we fall, the sun, the big population areas and what's been there and that's important focus on make no mistake about it. We should also be able to our task here and focus on some of the challenges that are that are in rural America, too look at this last pandemic, for example, is the prime opportunity to make some people think at least you know we had tell a health,

his learning and in my tailor the broadband is just not work needs to be Do those kind of things or just basic business over the internet, there's been a the talk about building up, abandon eleven structure bill, and I think it's important. And I think we need to talk about what the advantages are for able to do, that. Actors. At some point in time, people are gonna realize it then- and I believe this too, by the way that the Republic has talk a good game but they really dont will have an Earl America like they say you know either, hot button issues they use like gun, control and things like that. Pretty regularly I'm afraid so don't do enough to push back on that either. So so you know there's a lot of things out. There are many many faceted a problem. I think Ro Americans not gonna, be changed overnight. It's gonna take a lot of hard work by a lot of people that are worth

to go into rural areas and talk to people about what the challenges are in rural American. What solutions are for those challenges and we're not doing right now? It's? Why Ask another question about farming, and something you said a few minutes ago reminded me of what I want. Ask you about. In front of me. Paul Harvey's speech Back in nineteen, seventy eight to the future farmers of America Convention and the speeches darted into a car commercial a few years ago and every word of it is beautiful about why farmers are good and important. Here's one passage, God shall need somebody willing to get up before dawn milk cows work all day and feels no cows again. Each supper then go to town and stay past midnight at a meeting of the school board. So God made a farmer. Do you think that's fair assessment of the importance of farmers to be mythologies. Farmers are they worthy of mythology rising. Have you react to the passage from party? I think

in some cases is very true and other cases it isn't. I mean I think you ve got different kinds of farmers. Just like you, ve got different kinds. Allow makers are small businessmen or workin folks that really Dedicate their lives to what they're doing another sit down. I will say this: you work hard on the fire there is. There is no doubt about that. But I was a teacher for a while those people work downward to cut up, but we await a butcher shop on the farm Maybe the hardest work as far as physical work had ever done has been a butcher and we did it for twenty years and my body was about were out to the point where we had to shut it down So I guess what I'm really say, your prayers There are no jobs out there that you couldn't make, Harvey's words too. I do think that there are

certain things in agriculture that demand work to be done in a certain time, and if you don't do it, you're not gonna, be six. Swell fringes were were were in the middle of planting, where I live in North Central Montana, and it requires it just requires fifteen. Sixteen, our days if you are not willing to work and that's actually workin fifteen. Sixteen our days. Here. I want to do that. You're gonna lose opportunity him and lose income. If you they get up and busted. It's not forever is for a couple weeks, then that's fine, then you can sleep in some other time of the year in our self. But with True. This is, I could say the same thing I mean I was the scoreboard for nine years I was raised in big standing, I can t their teachers were. Sixteen. Seventeen twenty hours a day. They they were, they were too tails off and and they were

were pretty darn good. They showed in the classroom agenda and, like I said, the Pall Harvey statement can put him in usually said about them to very diplomatic of you here. There is also danger on the farm. Sometimes over family dinner. My my kids will ask or will discuss column interviewing this week for the Pike Ass, an imagined- Then I was talking to you and I know I described some some things about you at dinner. And then here's an event in your life that I'm sure you're very, very tired of talking about, but it was very interesting to me: Its last night and many people may not appreciate the accident. You had when your nine years old, ass. We learn questions about it as teenagers might. What happened when you were nine well ass. My fingers, so that you just tossed that off very casually. Oh, you know there is a risk that time I slipped on the driver, others that time lost three fingers

meat grinder. That doesn't just happen now it doesn't in and for your listers out there. The problem would ask: how does a nine year old kid gets close after meagre, lose three things, and I will tell you that my folks and me too, by the way it wasn't just my folks. I wanted to do stuff man. I still want to stand around watch them. Do the work I want to get in there and do it whether was run and attract her. Grinded meat or scraping steaks or whatever it might be show up. The whole story is desperate. My my dad, we were We ve also got all my dad took a load of barley, the town to get role, so he broke down a front or a beef to be wrapped in the states ocean and burned out put into burger basically unwell. He was gone. My mother and I worked in there all my two older brothers, am I my middle brother was, will serve some I'll remember what it was, but he was not a farmer than my eldest brother was

twelve years older than me sure he was offer a college or work and he wasn't around we're just my mama and we finished her. Given the beef, up in the last thing. You do his brain. The Berger and she was rather a few rose- and I said well I'll just are granted the Bergen he said now, you know like on a bus routes and of ground. The programme- and I was done literally done grinding, the hamburger to this day. I dont know why but given hypnotism of the of the honour and the greater the pushes me through the knives and ahead the head that's what I've kind of attributed to, but I stuck my hand into me. Grinder. I don't remember sticking my hand and I remember pulling my hand out. All sorts of lessons were taught that day. I imagine what are some of those well, I'm number one. You gotta respect power equipment, you that you don't want to get into a situation where you treated

lesson with total respect, The second thing is, quite frankly, this is gonna sound, maybe a bit bad, better accidents happen and once they happen It's over with you better figure out how to live with it happen and by the way it was my mother's fault. It was my fault and you have to accept responsibility now to move forward now what my parents did for me, there was incredibly important was as they never let this be an impediment to my success. Was part of who I am you accepted. Feel sorry for yourself. You adapt to what you have to adapt like tie in your shoes became a big deal for me right after alas, my fingers spreading have Three fingers the tie, the bow but you figure out how to do with two They push me the other thing that I had. It was incredible advantage. I when I started school, I basically started

thirty five kids. The twelve years later I graduated high school. There was a few- the came in the few that left, but not very many Those kids, knew me like family Got me slack and by the way. But if somebody else came in from another thousand are given me crap about listen, three fingers. They were the first to condemn the fence that was incredibly important for me as I grew up, because that's what I found out. You know me if you got truth they got your back but on the other side of the coin you know they had her ass. Is it her ass to hell out of me when we were out on the playground or playing SK, the ball or whatever. My big enough, many slack, and then I just think the whole experience, even though it was really bad one was nine years old in June of nineteen. Sixty six that, experience. Probably the reason lies in the United States Senate has it taught me how to adapt, taught me how to fight it taught me how to stick up for

herself, it taught me all sorts of things that you, Thank you now I do not recommend anybody listening, I propose mass or anybody else do that, because it it may not hurt him again was, but I must tell you that I was in my twenties before I The desk didn't pull for me to my knees, with my left hand, because of the the nerve endings in my fingers. But the bottom line is that it has become a part of who I am when I got here to the United States Senator there were stories written about in my mangled left hand, and I've never ever seen my hand is a mangled left hand. It's a it's a left hand with two fingers on it. And then I can do some things pretty well with I left hand with two fingers on it. It's one of those things it. May I tell you what it when, when you workin with with equipment

just gotta show an incredible respect because accidents happen so quick, but if you're not thinking about it, it can baker in an accurate picture. It can be difficult situation, so I'm sure you quite said this and obviously in a recommend, anyone intentionally losing three fingers in their handling. Their handed me grinder, but if you can, push a button and go back in time and undue that which would seem to be what most people would say. Would you well? I can't number one number to, of course it would have been held at last. Five fingers on my left hand at world level, the drive and basque about left a lot better than I can now who knows and I'm I might live, might end up being a banjo pickers, something you know which would be pretty cool but, no absolutely what I mean

everybody wants to be normal. Three fingers on the left and make sure not normal and so had taken back in a hobby although I will tell you, if you said, would you put it back on your hand today? I dont know that I could have to adapt to how to figure out to do it. Your kid you can adapt. When adult takes a lot of her neck, so that I could figure out how to use them again. We'll be right. Act. My interview with Senator John Tester after this. A folks prettier. As many of you know, CAFE is now part Vox media pack has here They turned. We engage in discussions each week about the most critical issues of our time. If you like what we're doing I have another talk, has recommendation it's from our new sister network Box, and it's called today explained every week day, Post Sean Rameswaram Swarm sits down.

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cries were down five seats. I think if my memory serves and no one thought that power and it would change hands look up early in the morning the next day and the Those were not all anything. We're waiting on four June and your race in Montana, and then Millie just waiting on your race a full day after the election, and I had told my wife, I would leave for private practice. And then it looked like you were gonna win, and I said I think I was taken to set a good. It's it's more info. Professionally and otherwise to in the majority, so you're the reason I stayed and ultimately got recommended to be the Us S attorney for the southern district of New York, so Senator thank you how I was at night. For you, absolutely. The life for me was actually somewhat similar to yourself. We were often and the results are not fully come in and by This has been in every one of my elections and twelve and eighteen was the same way, but instead

we will work hard and we were really really hard and even on election day I mean glad to have it with, because I would have done everything we could do and so at about midnight. I said to my staff as well: Charlotte, I'm away from where we're going to bed weakest up when you find out who won and we went to bed and I went to sleep through by the way hinder. We were sleeping along about four thirty. In the morning there was a knock on the door, and I woke up- and I thought they know who want, and so I went to the door, I said who wanted this, that we don't know, and I know where the hell did you wake me ass. An ominous we gotta do morning. Shells so I went out in the morning shows there's there is actually a pretty good flip. Why was set the chair and waited for the money goes to come on and there was a roving camera. And I was asking the person to my left, her who was due was now staff member either but oppressor

and I said well who's up, and they said oh you're, up by five thousand votes, and I said well, that's good, Then I talk to him know you're up by one thousand thirteen hundred votes, because this precinct came in and that's kind of the way it went for, I don't know, seems like over ten minutes and then finally, I said well. What precincts were left They started less than one of them. There was less reviewed, so rebel witches. Boot solvable county, which is very democrat, and there is actually quite a few people live there and what about this? It was built. Several goes out other counties around. I knew I want, and I got this look on my face like a right this year we will naturally be cleaned up. But it was an interesting night. Oh by the way, the two thousand twelve was the same way in two thousand. It was the same way we never found out. The results in those elections fell the day after election day, confused about the allowed people are today trump, one montana in two thousand. Sixteen, by by what how many points?

I think, was seventy sixteen. He won by twenty. I think Seventy one base by twenty two going on in Europe for reelection, twenty eighteen as a Democrat, and you won by the three points something like that, So how does Donald Trump take a state by twenty and you a democrat win by three Why does a keeper? How do you keep winning in Montana on top of that present trunk came the state tracks. Probably four or five times, Were you in by you and by working working hard and telling people what you ve accomplished and getting around, and let people know that you're, one of them. And if you are able to do that mankind, I have in the past been renowned for splitting tickets and yet I have voted for a Democrat for this Republican through for that and just go out and vote for the person quickly is one I'm SAM and

That's why it's so critically important! I mean you got to do tv ads and- and you know you got to you know you got to put up some road signs and stuff like that. But the most important thing you have to do is to get out People know that your normal. Basically, and that you haven't gone you see and that year working for a month and the country to make it a better place. Have been able to do that. Would you for a safer seat or to close raises bill character, no go closely. Make your before your time I know I'm here I love Montana. In do I've never looked is nice to be nice to be enrolled. Islander dollar somewhere like that, because I just I just love the state and the and not saying in

a Rhode, island move Vermonter place like that, isn't a beautiful place and I know they are beautiful places, but but my hands home you talk about being on a school board, the big sandy scoreboard in my family- spend a lot of time in leadership position with respect to the local schools. And even in good times it is a really hard, to make everyone happy is an impossibility entirely during the pandemic. Its exam really hard, because everyone has a different view job harder than being a: u a senator, yeah, tough, tough, political job than ever, and yet how come and the reason is issued sit down and make it vision and if it is the people and again didn't like the decision, the image of the door. Is you walk out after the meeting adjourned? true story and an interior. Bigeye you behave well, maybe they don't want a future, but they did what they did want to make it justify why you did what you did at that level, and it is. It is ultimate and accountability.

In those areas where your deal with people's kids. It's tough job I mean it. I rightfully so here was a sign of people care about their kids. Do you think you think we made a mistake in the country with respect to closing schools during corona buyers? No, I don't, and the reason is because, if I was put myself in a teacher shoes, I wouldn't worry If your teacher, you get every every bone, comes into the classroom. You get a second time. I have two years I dusk worth, because every time he came with a cold, I ended up with it and with this virus being is dangerous, was I think it was important that we take them look not only for the teachers, but for the fellow students it might catch from one another. Take it home. To her Who could be elderly or could be have pre? Existing conditions are really for risk. So now I don't. I do think, though, once one the teachers have had that vaccine

regular uses social social, exciting due to them ass to every need, but we need those kids back in the classroom because, because data Distance learning is fine, but it's not like you haven't teacher there, and then And this authority will be learned movement movement for nothing in rural areas. It can be very, very helpful, but the classroom is really really really important and I think the fact that we ve got kids. I have deficits in their running right now is proof of that. That's gonna cost a few bucks to get those photos. We have an economy that is able to work in ten years from now. But now I think that it was a pretty thing, the duty to keep him home, but I do think get them back as soon as possible is critically. Could I met the Senate for a few minutes? He about the world's greatest delivered a body is a broken. Yes, absolutely it always been broken or more recently broken figures.

I been in this position for a little over fourteen years and has been broken since I gotta tell you fix it. Different. People give different reasons, but I think you fix it. I dont camping finance reform. I think the amount of money that goes into these campaigns caused real paralysis. You ve got folks Republicans looking over the right shoulder every decision, they make cuz they're afraid they're going to get primary to get folks democratic side there looking over the left, shoulder every decision makers, they think they're gonna get primary and by it's just not getting primary this primary somebody that has a lot of money behind them. In that being the case, it causes people to do nothing and asks which happened. So look if I had my brothers say let's for campaign donation limits. This make sure we don't classified. Corporations is people as they should be able to donate, to campaigns and go back to the good old days were a campaign in Montana my CASTOR five million dollars. Instead of over a hunter,

million dollars, and you can still get your message out with with five million dollars in Montana, but you have a hundred million dollars number one you ve run. So many tv adds a furniture store. Car dealers can't run in the ask us all people were seen. Is this political ads and then and then you know that the azure there just to czech people ass, I mean there saying you know joint her she's, a great human being because the desert, their sanch ancestors, really a horrible human being because of this agenda, and I think it If people are on politics and the justice Talking about engagement with local schoolboys me an important. I think, engagement with Elect Officials are important at the federal level, but but but I will also tell you that that engagement needs to be something is productive. Not something where you're sitting in and airport somebody comes up and said, you know, you're really a waste of time

Tell me why, then, what do you want? which no, are you just a waste of time and walk away whereas in the school board you make the decision, they walk up and say: okay, so why did you put this? I'll see and what we are hoping to accomplish, because this policy, not you I don't suppose you have a problem with this policy. That's really where we need back to when I think that you know the kind He's divided the sands divided that I think the campaign finance is a big part of the division. Does it matter some. Some bills were passing that are very important and very sweeping and have a broad effects on the country on the people of the country. Is it a problem? Those bills sometimes are passing with zero republican vote of the good the country. I would rather have a few republican boats but stay in the, but it's a good for actually they should pass I think oftentimes infrastructure is a prime example. By the way I figure the Republicans control the presents a presidency, the house in the Senate, and they talk to him

structure than ever got down. There's no reason why they couldn't have there were plenty of Democrats will work with the money structures we were supposed to have a whole week. Didn't we what happened? I don't think it d never did never never had. Then it was talked about during the campaign. Was you know this is a priority mirror. Why do you think that is for ideological reasons, pray magic reasons or just utter incompetence, because it makes no sense yeah well infrastructures great to talk about, but you gotta pay for the EU to pay for with additional revenue feminine or with that assuming You can do it and I think, when it comes to paying for it, problem, and I will tell you that my grand- My parents generation understood that you're gonna have infrastructure, you have read out the check and, My generation them understand that, and I think that this criminal I, what is interesting if structures can be defined, a lot of different ways. Most people think of those roads and bridges

I've been absolutely is a part of it now I think you know schools, I think, with partners part of infrastructure You know Joe Biden put in his plan childcare When I got home, I hear a lot of people talking about childcare being too expensive and not available melodic cases, I would classify that is being given and if you don't wanna handled, never shut your bill, which I know some folks down then, let's figure someplace else to handle it because it needs to be handled in this country just like housing, which has also infrastructure, and so There is no, it is if it can be very broad, mostly luck in this building being roads and bridges. That's yet, but it is broader than that. It doesn't matter. This is what some of the debate has been centered on. You see begins mocking people to judge democratic, generally fruits for throwing all sorts of things. Some things you mentioned childcare housing into infrastructure. Does that as a political matter and your savvy politician did

labels matter in terms of winning support in getting the thing across the finish line initially, I think for a talking point stand Did they probably matter, but in the end, if you could get it done, so people can see the benefits. I think there was saying and what is a very good thing that happened. Housing is a prime example. I think it's deficient everywhere in the country and I think we have enough affordable, slash workforce. I think it has real negative impacts on businesses, action in business start ups and because if you don't have housing, it's pretty tough have a business. And so, if we were able to do some things with affordable housing, there's a lot of different ideas on my agree with some of my doubts on how you get affordable housing then than I think that that is a positive thing for them. We are moving forward in the end. I just think it does positive things for for competition for bill, communities further vibrancy of communities, but he can never get there.

Actually prove that wish you a thousand built. Do you think there could come a time if the Senate remains broken and at a standstill that you would support strongly fill a bus reformer ending to filibuster altogether, so I think the filibuster has benefits. I think that you know this freedom and I think that if you can get Democrats or Republicans to come, come and compromise on a bill oftentimes that bill is better, but I did not come here. We get set on my hands and not get anything done. Think things like making sure we have honest elections and campaign finance reform are important to get done. I think it's things we can get bipartisan support for so I think we ought to work for getting that bipartisan support, but in the end with that with infrastructure, with some other things that, I think are

or two. If we can't get bipartisan support, simply because the Republicans are being threatened by their big donors and if Democrats succeed, they're not going to support them and they're run primaries against them. Then you have to look at the filibuster and say alright. Well, will bit. I do, but I I hope that doesn't happen. I hope we can get folks that have enough backbone to be able to work, the other side of the iron curtain in compromise, but the building I mean you know the bills that are put forward, there's always room for compromise compromising those bills. If you were We want want trash trash and got them. That's a different But if you want to compromise and preach, I'm here to weaken there to make a better, I think there's opportunities for negotiations. As my boss, trucks whom doing as majority leader is horrible,

you're going to give me in trouble, not everyone's going to know. That's a joke. Chuck Chuck has got the hardest job in the United States Senate. I mean you want to talk about herding cats. I mean he's got to deal everybody from Bernie to mansion. I mean that's tough and truly this is a job that I really would like, but he's doing well, the biggest in the next senator that he's got to deal with, I probably test You know how is ruined. I know you're gonna. Do you love me now you I wouldn't? I will I wouldn't I wouldn't through anybody on the bus like that, but I will tell you and you know this- I mean the Democrats to go their own way and therefore it is a big tent there's a lot of folks in our caucus that have different views on the way things are be in Chuck's job. To make for the place doesn't blow up and that people are working together to to move.

Country forward. It's a hard job, it's really a hard job. Would you want that job? I can't imagine ever wanting the job, although I will threaten check every once in a while. That you'll run against him exactly. He was very proud of that class of two thousand and six he was the head of the SEC back then I'd like the If you still proud of her spirits he now he is, I mean a check is Czechs, who is a good guy and there I like Jack. We don't always agree that in the end, I will tell you being the leader, whether your Harry, truck so, and I've only had two during my tenure here. It's a tough job the original leadership style was totally different checks and the various, but although they were very close- and they were very consumer- will tell you that Harry Red was his mentor yeah. I forgot about it, I don't because they got about that

you're you're a Democrat in a very republican state Trump won by a lot of points. Joe Action is the same from one was your by even more points. Do you yourself as a senator in a similar position is Joe Mansion. Do you identify with him? I don't think people think of you. In the same way they think of Joe Mansion. How do you compare the two of you as men? in the Senate, cheering out somewhat common dynamic in your homestead. We ve got, of course, we've got different, different styles and then chose a good friend also- and I hope she watches does, is a teacher I learned in ever put down. There were dropped lines in the sand, And if I had any recommendations for it would be don't don't sand just when you're say if you lay down an ultimatum, say if you do this, I'm gonna do that he doesn't leave you any room and I think that's probably the biggest

John, I line up a lot on policy the same, but in the end Joe he said in a low, never moved to filibuster I job I just think that in time you you lay down like that, like that you don't know what the future will bring in its kind. Like saying you know the next time you next time, talk. Your neighbor you're gonna get slots on the highway, guarantee you you just you're gonna have to go spots in that? That's a problem so, just I would just say, Don't don't do the ultimatum stuff work with people as much as you can work within the try to get things done and often leave, stick with your values, stick with your goals, but but in the end, as part of this, because I was here during the affordable care activate. You were too, I wash MAX Box Go the extra mile trying to get full time

and it was obvious in the end, the MAX was not going to be successful at get many Republicans on board on that, because somebody had figured out that they were going to be able to use this as a political tool to get back in the majority and they did they did. But the truth is part of the problem was we spent a year negotiating negotiations process that was doomed from the beginning. I believe An insurrection at the capital, as everyone knows on January Sixth, were in a three months on from that, Then you have raw feelings about it and in particular, do you have our feelings about any of your fellow senators and the republican side. I still have raw feelings about the impact of what happened on January for all January, for all the reasons that people have talked about, the fact that this is a beacon freedom than a bunch of folks when in flame- and they were doing their constitutional duty, will I'll none none. I ever read the constitution and the bad,

Initially, I will tell you that I had some pretty rough feelings for the folks and serve with, and the Senate Those have subsided. I still will not forget what the folks I believe, enabled the insurrection to instead of telling the truth they jumped on this point Oh bandwagon of sharing the election was stolen. I remember that but but I dont have. I don't: have the wooden collar hatred that certainly there I don't know where to pick out a my vocabulary, which return small dire It will tell you that I was very disappointed in with some of my fellow centres did leading up to that doesn't affected whether or not you would go out of your way to coast. You're a bill with, for example, take cruiser Josh, holier or or someone initially it absolutely did.

And now I'm a pianist with time. Danish dealer S more inclined if it's good bill overlook, the person behind it and look for what the value of the bill is itself and sponsor it? Based on that and try to put the insurrection and the things that let up the insurrection out of my mind, I think it's really important. The country comes together, and I think, if I, if I stay divided, how can I expect the people that I serve batter state of mind? Do you, the United America today since as a meritocracy and whatever your answer is, should it well, I mean flow I don't know if I'm answering this question, we should be answered, but I would that I am very concerned about this country moving forward, because I think there's no stay within oftentimes great countries rock from within

and I will tell you: the vaccines are a prime example. When I was a kid. My folks took me to the doctor and we had a sugar tube and they give you a shot in the arm and took care of smallpox and whatever else it was. There was no question to ask: we have so much vaccine hesitancy in this country for no good reason whatsoever. This is a very safe vaccine that doesn't have side effects, it's very effective against a virus I'm really concerned about this country? I mean camping. Finance is important. Just make sure you have a functional ceiling senator important, but when you have people did witness five hundred fifty thousand people dying in this because we're virus. They continue to see how it shut down the economy across while the United States was certainly not immune from that. And say: no we're not gonna get we're not gonna. Get action, because whatever reason they have, I don't know what it is. I think that's that's scary.

That's very for the country move forward. The fact that his Bernie burnish unconsciously. Forty percent of the people expect you don't believe in democracy works. That's also very scary. That means it is, is king once pointed out to me: I precision exception or not the wool, dictatorships and rule, and, and so We need to be careful. What we have today is something is very, very special this there, because our forefathers Denham did a marvellous job in developing the institutions have continued to be strong in this country if weakened you screw around some of this stuff whether it should insurrection on January six or whether it's not taking vaccines or whether it's a campaign system that dictated by a few many people in this country. I think we have a chance of losing it, and so we need to be smart. Everybody Senator John Tester says, get your vaccine please throughout Europe

get your bacterial you'll come to your house pretty place. You're gonna peoples have another guy Esther, it's been an honour and privilege to have you here. The book is ground. The senators lessons in winning back Rural America. You should pick it up its inspiring and thoughtful. I sent her tester thanks again, free. There is indeed a pleasure. Thank you very much so I want to end the shows we by talking about something that struck me in the news in court. It was in whose about us and the act, vision of our company by VOX Media, as I mentioned at the top for provokes. You wonder why we did it and what it means for our content. Rest assured our continent, The news everything that are currently doing. We will continue to do home

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two people every week. I would answer questions about what was going on in law and power x in government and democracy in the truck ministration you'll be kind of it A little game that I would do week after week. And it became immediately popular and, of course, well. My brother will say and has said to me. You know, of course, gonna be successful reports, lots of people going to listen. It did take a leap of faith on his part. No he's a businessman, so just some flesh and blood doesn't mean gonna, be necessarily doing me any favours, but he had faith in confidence that doing new thing which is given. From issuing subpoenas enshrined cases, they would work and he had no. And said that he put his money behind the project. Substantial time and effort and resources, and lo and behold we grew. The audience grew We launched the cafe insider, we brought on you contributors and all the while Although you folks, don't know it My brother was in the background supporting it building it helping to do all sorts of things that are invisible to the audience, to make

the success it has been and I couldn't be more proud to be working with him, to be his brother, and I use the word brother a lot with folks with friends of mine Haber. Thanks brother touchy later brother, but of course I have only one real brother. It never would have occurred to me when we were little kids growing up in Eden, town New Jersey and fighting over the remote control and who we get to eat more dessert. At the end of the meal that opinion? I would be business partners decades later and have achieved this kind of success. I learned these past few years not just about how to be a podcast Castro added interview somebody, but about leadership and business and judgment just by watching. My brother, So we're not the kind of brothers who say these things to each other, so I thought I'd say

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