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Let's wait! What about Disneyworld, because ever Benda Disneyworld, I have joined a. I went, Sweden's, very, I guess what several times as very young right Disneyworld is like this, global legend people around the world are aware of Disneyworld right in its mouth. Who place every day, an estimated two hundred and fifty thousand guest visit and a lot of ways the city of its own, more is then we knew prior to researching this episode and getting into the history of Disney is a company. Is this issue proposition to. I know in it the twists and turns you take from the legal stuff we're gonna get into in this episode very surprising. Considering the way I view the company and like the the image that word Disney, so we yes, we have to be. We have to pick our battles and been pretty specific. So today we're going to

get the story of Walt Disney World located in Bay, lake and lake. Whenever they stuff Florida is wasn't the first part Disney built. There is another I called Disney Land in Anaheim California that open in eighteen, fifty five and up oh and I actually state across the street from their recently and now I really kind of wanted to go, but I just I couldn't just spending more than a hundred dollars to like weight in a series of lines all day which is kind of what it seems I could shift? Disneyland involves fireworks. Every night we saw those for free, though, from the street from Sicily driving around, I was pretty cool. We were Tyler Holly and I went when we went to STAR Wars celebration specifically weep. I paid need to get in there to be, will holly to watch the fireworks because it was. Like a star wars, deemed thing in itself.

Holly fry for new, the shows in one of the co host of stuff. You, Mr History Class, correct so was it was worth it did? You have a good time, I mean for my money. But I d look on Holly's face lying with the tears coming down after the star Wars presentation I mean it was worth it. That's beautiful man, Yeah, I didn't make it into Disneyland time round. But who knows life? Is life? Is long reign? The moon Well known park, the Disney owns, it is probably still the one afford Disney World It was built in nineteen, seventy one. Currently it's over twenty, ten thousand acres or forty three square miles in size and bunch of stuff on there too, oh yeah, you got for theme parks that are massive on their own right to water parts, which are also hefty twenty. Seven feet resort, hotels. That blew my mind,

I knew of maybe eight I did not know there are twenty seven. I wonder if they start reaching after like number twenty, they ve got two others less happy. They is one I'm just the thing down the path. In a loud voice. You that's the thing with every new property. Produce in their other ventures in their media companies, you can just Papa resort up, and now you ve got money just common in theirs avatar, one now right has now, and then there is also the star wars, one where it like lets. You, like almost like, be a character in your own star wars, adventure and, I think, kind of creepy to me a little bit more like you. Dont really leave her are you here, tell it's all this like unified experience, where everything follows you from your tell to like your time at the park and unless the and you like, maintain this mutation, I guess, based on choices you make. It's all encompassing self sustaining

the theme Morgan continue to cover in this episode. It's a bubble is almost the actual reality. I was talking to Holly from history, glass about it and she's kind of a Disney aficionados shall we say and what sort of say my man it's a little ways you like. What that sounds we're that sound like the most amazing thing ever history of anything like cool all you can. You can have that beer? The people who are fans of Disney are often you die hard. Lifelong lets, you know like travelling every year, have a reserve play maybe have a home that they spend part time part of the year in near the parks other also in nine non Disney hotels. Yet if you needed Disney Break Golf, Is a courses camping resort? I hears the craziest thing. We still more room for growth less than thirty percent of this land has been developed, a quarter of it. The wilderness preserve, which I think is, reflects nicely on them. Doesn't it and

No, it's not exactly easy to develop land in that part of Florida. You gotta do a lot of work to even prepared to put buildings on their own, just because it swampy yeah, exactly stable Disney world is the most popular vacations were on the planet before adding to them like, after that part and every They have an estimated attendance of over fifty two million people. That's not at Disneyland an Disneyworld combined, that's Disneyworld. So we mention the total square mileage by way of comparison. This area, this complexes bubble- in view of its own is about the size of San Francisco ha ha ha. We can actually go in Orlando for a non Disney work. Related thing next week and when I went to rent a car, the stat popped up on the card your site, then Orlando is like the car rental capital of the world.

Oh well, you're gonna, be a part of history. Are you aware that playing or when you sit next to some other plan? You should just tell them that you're going because its car rental capital have always dreamed of visiting the car rental. A catalogue of the were never seen only stats, it makes sense. I guess I didn't realize how mass this. An old complex is, with all these different stuff makes sense. If you're do not familiar in San Francisco Jim the entire island of Manhattan, New York, where What city is sure and now double it and then put it in Florida and that's how large the spaces it's a cartoon mouse to. He has been here and just a kick ass castle, Can I say that, like I know it's not a real castle, the federalists. That thing looks cool, rarely does magical opened up and nineteen seventy one ray and when it did it had about five thousand five hundred employees.

The term for park. Employees by the way is cast members, and this is interesting because there's a there's, a whole terminology or language used by the company to describe guest to describe. Experiences your attractions. He reminds me of win, we all learned through We're conversations your work. We all learned about how the W W e in the world of wrestling has its own weird language, superstars right right me. So I put my hands in a man. It's an smell and while I wonder People are always get that the oddest they authority. That is in essence, suddenly that libraries that anyone I did not make that out of security. Adding olive as no. No, please. I think we should keep it somebody, alright, it with an email, know: they'll get it like all branded out like the Disney speak, yeah, yes or no

please everybody's a cast member there always performing and they're always guest. I in the secret stuff that happens, which is fast. In underworld of its own is just all referred to his back, each year and then anytime time you're around a guest, your onstage, that's all rule, a camel like that I mean You know, I guess they have to have pretty ease, understood and clearly defined rules, because today, Walt Disney World employs more than seventy four thousand cast members, and that means it's pay all is like one point: two billion dollars, nearly a year yeah, not not everyday, ah That's really saying that means this company must bring in just but loads of cash cause payroll is just gonna, be a percentage of part profit rain and before it gets too? weird right. We ve got admit it. The fall into a Disney rabbit whole over the years,

the MAGIC kingdom has been the subject of all kinds of conspiracy theories and unfounded rumours and you ve, probably if you listen to this, show you ve probably heard of at least a few of these before oh yeah There is the idea that secret event, there are other secret places in the Disney in parks, and there are these, like secret parties that occur these things in this There have been crazy accusations online about what goes on in some of these, but we do know, there's a grain of truth here, because there are a lot of exclusive clubs that exist in the different resorts and the different parks that you have to be specific type of member to get in and have a drink there yeah one. The wonder started this sort of conspiracy. This rumour is a place called club three new private exclusive five star restaurant in in its actually in Disneyland

for years now in Florida, but the idea really to prove and existence of club. Thirty three will make people some people say, like you know, there's a secret spot, implored. There's you, you have to know the right yet to shake the right mouse his hand, plus talk about the number thirty three of our power. I feel like a good on the number. Thirty three. Oh that's right! This is our first I've recording, since the world didn't and right we're. Ok, we may through hours You know where that that was the potential thing was gonna happen. You guys Include me end in Zambia memo we were banking on it not happening, but if it did, that would have been pretty terrible on our part, been I would have thought I would have felt really bad the world ends. I worry. The show to go out blazing with guns in the studio and always to be like that. The whole crew- yes, you know, but for now, of course, the world has

ended and am very glad. It hasn't aid and you can still get into an exclusive club, the land and the questions are there. Other secret places at Disney World, but when dies. Only. That's not true, but the theory is that no indicted Disney's, the idea that both cast and gas deaths are covered up to keep them no one dies. Only that's not true, but The theory is that no indicted Disney's the idea that both cast an gas deaths are covered up to keep the parks, image squeaky, clean part of that focuses on the whole underground backstage system where, if anything kind of starts to go down, things get swept away and down into the catacombs it's an interesting idea, for it would have rather this when I thought it was like some sort of weird legal distinction that only data that I like the idea, the zone of Daphne I ass though it were like you know you it's not possible for you,

Yes, your dad, but you're, not when you're Disney. He did so they just use a different world like you, I get promoted probably turn out like a costume and prompt you up like a public see, I think you become cast member permanently at the own. Imagine It's got his hotel, California, by land. So soon, no businesses is that a monitor all frequencies for any mention of the mouse. Well, you know how it might not be Disney monitoring. There might be somebody else just given it to Disney is the same. We're gonna get to a man yeah we're going to focus on a single aspect of Walt Disney World, just with just one facet of this Jim, and that is the case structure of this. Of this ideal world.

Because, of course, buying over forty square miles of land in Florida. Even swamp land is not some, you just go out and do on a lunch break, and it can also be quite expensive. If that is you do it legally, you can, that illegally. So in the fifties, when Disney began searching for property order. The company realize they were kind of it. This collective cross roads there were two is to look at their situation. So opposite, therefore, speculative and then the other way to look at it from the companies prospect how the land was purchase was crucial. It multiple, that landowners realised a single company was purchasing land in the area, the it almost certainly jack up their prices in if they knew it was Disney. This would be compounded as they would start speculating, maybe even becoming just hold out the outer say, like I have my ears but level ranch. Ah I'm in the middle of what the Volvo

you watch now it can be a million dollars, pay me or eminent domain son, There was no way to claim a minute to major anything cause. That's a power technically restricted to the government and eminent domain. Is this thing? Inaction when you see roads in your neighborhood get widened. You have a lot of that in Atlanta so much and that that happens because the city says well for the good, the public good we are taking possession. And have you know like this Friday for fear of someone's art and generally will pay you right now are what we turning to be a hare, Maria theirs way to look at this net is Disney realise that by obscuring opts for creating the identity by me, certain that land owners did not really know who was buying. What the company could conspire to get land at a price, significant Lee below market rate in when we say below market rate, we're talking around two hundred? U S dollars for an acre in it

maker of land for two hundred dollars. That's crazy! It's a good deal. Yeah mitigate he is clearly not a land baron. The conspiracy doing on that inspires like that. This is a textbook group of people conspiring to by land at a much price with the mouse- would never do that that visas and look at him he's got this big gloves in smiles, we're papist voice? It wasn't the mouse, though it was the masses boys, the masses. The mouse is like an idea guy. He doesn't get those gloves dirty, but he does have friends Andy posed another question to Walt Disney and, let's just referred, it distances the mouse like the little bit radiation, so the question is it well, Once you own the land, how do you controlling he controls the spice controls the world

though, we're part these days was sharing more so at Geico. We'd like to say thanks thanks for sharing your savage dance moves thanks to sharing you d, I why haircut trails thanks for sharing your inner lips in star now, it's our turn to share with the guy go, give back the fifteen percent credit on car and motorcycle policies for current and new customers, because we committed for the level of the fifteen percent credit. Last. Your full policy to visit guy could outcomes. Let's give back for more info and eligibility world. Yours. The ball park ass, the new cars with a fresh perspective, pop culture. Fail you not just matured in a bail down in one city. Impress us talk about this there. All eighty every owner is seventy away out creep in all social media. Ok carries like, of course, to your wherever they think wipe out by any measure. As I see it, a million light Algerians, my a flame city and draw some a ray of light like young Ya'Ll are alive. My medicine and I started the like someone else. I know it's not right, but I really can't think when I feel what should I do believe in Kabul. World lifestyle is, the key word is, makes a huge on our brand can sell black now on the radio. On my way you get your plaid cat,

here's where it gets crazy self as that has made a sort of foreshadowed I assume the mouse. Yes, the mouse. How soon I forgot the mouse had francs in the mouse did not do all of its own. Work in acquiring this land. Believe it or not. The mouse worked with this yea. Using the same tactics that CIA agents I previously used to destabilize foreign regimes, the mouse in a small circle of close contact from the intelligence community, created enduring fiction. It involves public governments, shell companies, all all the hits all you may be thinking yourself, what then you're, going to say that a lot this episode, the true the stranger than fiction. Often so

need. The mouse had a contact with the CIA, they're probably was called. And it was a person may have heard of previous- grow, William Donovan, a wild bill, a k, a father of the CIA, a k, a hurdy, gurdy man, sunshine, Superman this that the Austrian that's a different, Donovan, I, like the eighty game, remember weep. We play that lie in the data. Have you? I think you should at least keep it quiet, and I think he should market that that could be a box. Two up gamely dizzy. I think that they can sell to the nerves yeah. I thought we'd sees them like you know, clandestine hard to follow. Rule yeah yeah. We on a tangible were off air. We, we have all sorts of schemes, plan it's an arrogance. In one time we made up a game called acre.

We create. Our version of it, though, is just like a thing is theirs was Eric, but that would have yet to do now for medical order. Like you know like like, like going to me ass, I would add a couple of things: yeah. Maybe some some rules will get back to you. Work on that you'll stealer ideas, but you know you can send the suggestions that there is nothing to steal, yet it must be on the lookout for it and then are on our new merged shot that we're working on yeah, alright, so Who is this wild bill? Donovan? because the Father of the CIA, because he was the founder of the Office of strategic services, Theo S S, who s ass. You may have heard a speech that, before it was the agency that came before the CIA, what this yea would become an here cofounded. Interestingly enough, a New York law firm, called Donovan. Measure, Newton and Irvine sounds really nice. They did a lot of good work and, according to or tv Allman here

He wrote a book called finding Florida, the true history of the sunshine state. He says that attorneys from this firm they provided very special services for Disney and calls them agents who were at to acquire land in Florida. What we are talking about wall they they did things like provide fake identification. For agents working on behalf of Disney set up a secret Communication Centre so that they could talk to each other clandestinely. They also orchestrated disinformation campaigns wherein they said false rumours about the Ford Motor Company being the behemoth it was coming through buying up all the land. So Ford up getting some slack in the press and they were kind of shielded kind of crazy stuff, right, yeah, That's how the tardy apples get swished single uber ordered all those fragile he'd, says from life.

I recently this measure is the other way around now, either through bridges lay. Apparently they ordered a bunch of lists that weren't going to any actual people just like them off them. It was an really legal. Yet but this guy, while bill, was not the only CIA taunter right. There was another fellow named Paul Heller. Well, he was here as the mouse is cheap legal strategies. This was an extremely extra, Lee shady character. He was was what I would call part of the deep sketch he had held launch, the secret CIA where's your conflict in India, China and he returned to Florida. Miami specifically to help orchestrate berries agency attempts at overthrowing Castro and yes, We were talking about the bizarre. Ass nation attempts as well real.

Cartoonish, stop them indifferent, cartoon dynasty dynasty, the they trading Fidel Castro exploding cigar all different kinds of policing: zero fall off. We think a wily coyote, the level of of scams- and you know the various different acme product yeah in the ballot box. The word on enact me with such a successful company, but their stuff never seem to work. You know, anyway, sir, he was part of this. Fighting Castro I'd Lizzy I wars and said I'll help you out Walter and his first big task with ass was to buy up land for Disney without letting any of the property owners knew. The Disney was the one buying them out and so that work in concert with the stuff that wild bill is doing were spreading. Rumours- and somebody says you know- are you from the former

accompanying. Oh no, no, no! No! No, but we hear their around yeah. It's actually here, it out by land, is low. Was eighty bucks Nager which again not being land barons, so that sounds pretty good. Amazing eighty bucks, an acre I'll take it will be so many houses, that's like what three acres fervid games system be here while so he said, buying this stuff, like eighty bucks, an acre through various shell companies. While on them, while built parliament's firm render this information campaign, and today a neat note about, poem sesson of history is that today you can walk down main street USA Walt Disney World, and can find the names of those shell companies because they are listed on the upper story. Windows of the buildings. That's where they run man's were those shell companies operate. Is that You think I'm he might not. Why not? I think of that

chemical of lady. You had a year, you add a sham. Company job those not amusement park related, but your office wasn't Disneyworld, yes, just a single desk in a room and it looks out over main street parkins, probably really tough. Here, so this doesn't work forever. Eventually, your word gets around as it as it is wont to do, and people finally find out that the there's only one big buyer in the area and yet all Disney and then the price shoots up to eight thousand dollars and acre at about what it probably should be for a massive corporation buying up land, but here's the deal yeah at that They bought so much land for such a cheaper price. The Ridge overall, is what we stated before two hundred dollars. An acre laugh. They got away with it so hard and its I'm an exciting project to be involved I don't want to sound.

To a world or something? But sadly there are buying it to build a nuclear waste site? Then just a moral enough, they must be true. I feel like. I will be ok at it. You know I was I've seen you wringing her hands in private, the figures laughing sinisterly. The thing is you just do one hand when you're talking to the people looks like you're always about to do something, but but here's the deal guys so required all this land right. You ve, bought the land But what are your next steps because you you just over the land? What can I do? do with this land legally rights right so he also started pitching the mouse. On this other idea who said okay, we we ve bought the land How can we ensure the highest level of sustained control over it.

A real sense. Hallowell becomes the conceptual architect of this domain and gives instruction, On how to get close to something like serenity, yeah self, governance, for the masses yeah, they're, ready a secretive Walt Disney set up He greeted meeting in May of nineteen sixty five. At a seminar, at a seminar, Hallowell pitches. This approach would allow does need to avoid a lot of time station and environmental regulation and maintain immunity from the U S constitution, while that does not sound sinister. That really escalate had first one of the third world is taxation things, you know every church, that's ever existed the problem here is the guy's name is Hallowell

can't leg for him, because every time I hear his name, I just think hollow out the good guy or is it depends on. You know if your friend refer but I could definitely being the name of like a character in a children's book, definite like up an animal Talks. No reason he's like an emerging Pierre ago either Hallowell ILO well, never mind. Note I swear to God. I think this has legs, I'm going nowhere fast, but this story Is going somewhere fast, It is like an early operations. Hallowell advise Disney to set up a puppet government level. Second sketchy within the United States is murder, they didn't get. Have the entity do Disney's bidding man and then Hallowell told Disney to establish at least two phantom cities. So you

Puppet governments and phantom city is an awesome for cuban stuff stray here. Then he said they should use these fake governments to control land use and make sure the public money, the theme park, generated by taxes, for example, state in Disney's Bob I bet you know, white, gloves, club, Hand, yes, you're paying yourself taxes, yeah totally logic. Totally legitimate sides with the gossips legit right yeah. So ever Disneyworld cities would be just these. You know regular, all american home towns, just You want to go and visit the Disney hometown. You can it's great the subject. Values here, the here's the deal you first, you have to bear the knee and swear for your mouth so sure, because building

we are all aware of any sort of a combination of goofy and then making yeah. I think I will do the movie Luther he's in here. So here's the deal like we're saying the nothing kind. O was there because the only Official residents who lived in these two cities would be hand picked they would be. I guess loyalists if you want to call that people who musketeers, if he will show their ago they weren't for Disney and they are the ones who would periodically elect officials these two cities who in turn. Would seed Please control over to Disney executives, ultimately it just put you in here, you're going vote for us. We are the decisions and were the guys up. There are gonna, be the ones who tell you what to do. It's weird in early nineteen sixty seven floor

legislature be got into action. With this. They signed over municipal jurisdiction for the land owned by the mouse and Walt himself named name. This jurisdiction, entity. The Reedy Creek improvement District anyway named after a waterway that went through the land called in a burst of creativity, Reedy Creek near so do you Me officially isn't really doing stuff. The Reedy creek improvement District is, This means that Disney them can do whatever it wants on that land without government. Interference, including One in building a nuclear waste- I am you, know, they're. There were rumours online that Disney had or was about to build nuclear power plant has recently is twenty. Sixteen. We have not been able to confirm any real story. Ass called space mountain her yet

stay woke me. Why do you think so much space around his dark so that you don't see the huge concrete shell occur? I never thought about that. Just call you only get mildly irradiated by going on their own, which are to omit like a good mild dose of radiation. It's like going to the Spanish and the air, Amerika zone that legal poisoners with radiation chasing a mild spar. High essentially means you know now They can have the agency to build Dil fractures government usually build means that they are of things like fire departments now ripe, yet waste disposal they could build airports and indulged Parkes? You may all that stuff and they can this gives little dry, but they can issue tax, free bonds,

are for internal improvements, writing and then they are also exempt from laws regarding zoning or land use so the floor. For the legislature creates these two phantom cities and their both name for artificial reservoirs that Disney engineers made, since nobody actually lives in these phantom cities. Do He just needs asthma, sat a couple, a hand picked employees to toe the line. On a side? No I'm starting to think the phrase. Handpicked is really weird near you'll. Ever here, like foot pit hat in hand handpicked anyway, elbow rubbed, elbow room? Yes, now, A pinch of to keep a guide had had the last pinch, the servers yeah yeah. I am many possibilities. Ok, ok, I will ask I'll stay on the rail

so we ve got. These handpicked employs yes and this whole She again is no a sketchy, probably illegal, arguably unconstitutional, but with the aid of the compliance state legislature, the cities were incorporated. These would be Bay, Lake and Lake one of these stuff. They sound like beautiful places and they still exist today with a combined population of around fifty seven people. Most people are living in Bay Lake, all of them. Disney employs a retired employees are the children of employees and when you visit Disney's MAGIC kingdom, you are visiting the city of Bay Lake Florida. As we record this Bay Lake has a population of forty seven, up in a mirror, ten people hanging out and lake when a Vista, although they- not be hanging out there because they probably have houses other places too. Have to do is on the land yeah

In both cities, the Disney engineered legislation established a qualification for holding executive office requiring that each candidate for office must be the owner, either directly or as a trusty of real properties. Two waited in the city in order to be able to hold the office of the council person and that's important because with. Like five exceptions, Disney owns, all the land of wood five exceptions will explore this because as we said through this or see, I really Creek Improvement District Disney well to supply municipal services like Fire Department Street cleaning all that stuff, but despite the pretty cosy ring Disney and State of Florida still but heads on different issues. Leslie, there's a lot of money and play one of the big ones would be property assessments, as you can imagine.

The magic kingdom is not is not cheap. Yet and uncle Samsonite tonight. That's the state Noncom SAM of Florida, ok the state. Until I lay I uncles, Evan needs a casual in his Samsonite cash briefcase to love the latter cases endeavours Disney bucks. You put them It's a shame. You know why it's one step at a time. I had rather be a fight for some, I believe in the joining big Disney dollars near So where does that leave us today? will examine the content of that mousetrap when we return from a quick break, I'm right the market, and I would invite you to listen to a new podcast from the Dodo and Animal saved my life, the dodo is the most watch, animal storyteller on social and now it's bringing those stories to life in audio. Since I was Here I have helped you rescue some of the most vulnerable animals now working about animals. We have gone above and beyond to return the favor to the people. They love on this.

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DE, where Disney remains the largest land owner it was the thing was built in ninety. Ninety four and built in homage to the Walt Disney at caught plan this this real, Utopian future of what a city could look like yeah EPCOT is an acronym. It stands for experimental prototype community of tomorrow and it could be the subject of its own episode. Was one What Disney's long running dreams is perfect. How on earth that obeyed his ideals of town and the plans are pretty interesting oh yeah, and if you are interested in moving the celebration can get a one bed one bath for. I think it's a conned over a hundred five thousand dollars right now. That seems reasonable yeah. For a condom not lie right. I mean again not a clearly, not anything baron landed property or otherwise, as don't have anything costs like a child. There is, I hope, if,

it just when the lottery, though, if you're listening to this, you can move there and be as close as you want to the mouse for formal in dollars, three million dollars, or some mentions in celebration for years now Similarly, we must not simply one of the unexpectedly fastening things we found were looking at the weird beginning of Disney. Was that all is not well and celebration. It is a deceptive Lee normal town, but Spain has been home to murderers. People say that they have gotten a step for advice, but they're, not fans of the town, it has? When you move in there, you get a handbook with pretty exacting rules of what can and cannot do I'm assuming, but what is it? The m? What are the homeowner each always yeah, I'm assuming those are pretty intense there and speaking of lotteries more

Four thousand people entered a lottery to pay twenty five percent over the market price for the first five hundred homes. People were all about it, I've been murders, there was a guy. To death by travelling a homeless man who said that he bludgeon guy for trying to sleep with them less than a week later an armed men barricaded himself in his home, well yeah, bearing the leader of the intense and it gets weirder there is. There is a group of british expatriates move there when they like, retire and stuff, and there is a phenomenon that they refer to a celebration separation this drives the tendency. Only some members of the community see it for a living in solemn for people, the celebration being happily married and thence in pretty much get divorced because of the living in that town. So its there's something sinister. When you hear people talk about,

that way, one guy also said you know they're out here, just swapping wives. Out of boredom I've never met. So many swingers, which was not what I was, expect not like profile anybody, but that's not what I was expecting. I was reading about celebration Disney town, you know, but somebody You know there are groups of people larger people that our love and and also if it bleeds lead so I can do information about like that, the bad things I've had, but I'm sure that their people, who had been the celebration listening in the audience. You can tell us a little more about it right now, partly exaggerated God help you have Holly's was here this episode help you that she is she a celebration fan now she's. Just you know, I think us he's a Jesus Jesus Disney lifer.

Through and through and Stuff Hemison History Class has some excellent episodes on Disney out for sure you don't you say, God help me. Remember, you're in this giant, I'm doing my best. Keep my mouse gloved hands clean. You came up with the mouse dude, I didn't come the mouse. The mouse senior level for the Disney is the mouth. No, it's a thing I wish. I could claim credit for that, but elastic and on the overall area still controlled by the Reedy Creek improvement District is governed by a five person board of Supervisors, all of whom are senior Disney. Please remember when I mention those five exemptions for five exceptions. So each of you five zero employees on the board own of five her undeveloped lot of land within the district. It is the only land not technically. Control The mouse or used for public slash rude purposes.

And this means that they can vote the residents of the so called phantom cities can elect city officials, but because you're, not landowners, and because of that qualification there no power to elect the Board of supervisors. In many ways, this room an autonomous area with relatively little government influence its? a world many ways, of its own Disneyworld man, Disneyworld a magical place and you they haven't been challenged in court on the way this was set up bright and doing villainous things there actually having a need. To preserve is an admirable thing and I'm sure it's it's a massive economic force now here in providing an experience for countless children that they'll remember for the rest, their lives, I mean odyssey, can you can't you guys have like really fond memories of going to a Disney place right anywhere.

Its Disney. I went to Disney well when I was a kid and when I remember more than Disney role itself was like dry to Florida and eating like Gator nuggets at summit level all place. I think I will dwell in world hangs a dear me stuff everywhere. That's what I remember. I remember precious little about actual Disneyworld yeah, a lot of people have fond memories of Disneyworld. I remember space mountain which was the Krim daylight trim, and I remember being super impressed with epoch. I had never seen we should all live in the city of the future. I you the Kool aid on EPCOT like was the first time I had been introduced to other cultures in a tangible way like that, even though we know it's in Abkhazia theme Park whatever, but they had real things that I could touch and interact with that. I had never seen

for. I do remember one rather like a Norway raw. Do you mind reader, delicate hurry, be like monster from its role thing. I remember the exercise kinda Jonathan Stricklin friend friend, of the show and right has now been replaced by a frozen No, but that's actually the first time I thought about that using certain remember anything from Disney Robert. I do remember that it feels like you're gonna go offered color lawyers from your writing? An almost like a flu law, you looking to get to the edge and there's affairs there's a troll eyebrow, Norway yeah. I remembered specifically his wings kid. My I wanted to buy like a snake. Right, and that is something this chocolate bar all covered with chocolate, sprinkles it was called like around, ball, and I had no idea what that was, and the guy behind the counter like I was an adult was probably like you know: nineteen hee hee,

seventy uniting. He said. I can't sell this to you and is you have to get your mom or your parents, your dad hers they said to go negotiator, rumble and then at an imaginary fight with trolls. Yet it also really hyped up, Norway for us, I think for you to know big We go to Norway is gonna, be gonna live up to expectations set by a guy. I dont think that your I think the trolls can keep to their own. In that way, the tundra, I dont, think they're. Just flopping around Willy nilly, you now flop it around as a thorough, completely dry yeah. We're here deserve a. I think. It's Japan really sullenness better. I think it's Japan, the section about Japan, maybe not Japan, maybe it's salary,

I dont remember which country was, but when I was a kid seeing the architecture of some of the parts of Asia over there that I had never seen before bloom, I might and I wanted to live in a house that looks like like the international pavilion, Fair yeah, yeah yeah. It's about the study. I remember you never! That does sound, let that be pretty my blind for a kid to see other, because that is some cool. Studies, you never see it ever in like at least in my life from wherever and there's. A lot of stuff still exist today. It's gonna change with the time. Like nor said, regarding Jonathan Report about the troll ripping replace this seems set to continue. The mouse is going to the ruling over this part of Florida for the foreseeable future, for And although it's weird situation legally speaking, one of the big questions is it's weird situation. It does clearly involve conspiracy of sorts, but the big question is

is it a bad thing. I mean they're not running, criminal empire right that we hope woody. What do you think? Do you feel there's something going on. That's more than meets the eye, something a little more sinister already think it's just howl. Oh, it's been and how it's going to keep going in Disney is amazing and who cares how they got there who cares how they set up and run the hurt, the puppet governments her? I mean you can have a lot of valid feelings about this. We love to get your father especially if you ve lived in the area, maybe you're one of those people whose land owner and you wanna some information from the inside her former from These phantom cities send it to us. We won't tell anybody, except for everybody, rats except then edit also, what are some of your favorite strange Disney rumours anything said

it's true or unsubstantiated, because without a lot of stuff that was, you know, been pretty easily dismiss snap but that reminds us it's time for she had gone asked first shut out of the day comes from Bruce. I, as I was on his ever sober like I love this, an eleven seamen in the will the world in tomorrow at the sewed you Manasses Gabarus, talking by way you mentioned Gary Omens. Unfortunate fashioned choice in the fifth element. Allies remind me so Gary old men in the fifth element, Gary old men, amazing actor in the fifth the kind of funny voice and we're foghorn Leghorn yeas going for. We call bingo soldiers chew that acts. Lacheneur slow, lass, lemonade, Jude, your lemonade Yahoo,

stop blaming the alpine leg was filled with, so he has this sort of a higher Pollard Shirk. But the thing that really stuck we're talking about is for some reason. It is never explain your addressed in the film at all. He has plastic forge transparent for him covering on one side of his head and his or combed around it. No one mentioned coming back to me now to pull it out, but I never really clocked that particular piece That is super. Stranger, his, was the by the way, those his last name at least Jean Baptiste sword. While his eyes name sounds very similar to, the person that our friend Bruce blames for this monstrosity. He says I can assert with some confidence that this choice is not to be blamed on MR old man. Instead, I choose Ashley, blame French

designer Jean Paul goatee. Who is culpable for designing the costumes for the film. He only just managed to redeem themselves through the costume from me, a Java vetches character, which is you I can't I get so yeah well, I got a kind of like kind of like overalls thing. It's it's super cool. He said John Poverty may be best known to us Americans, as the one you design, the costumes from on his blonde ambition tour, including her infamous cone Braun. I am familiar with that. I think red blooded American would be when you the comb Braun play the weird plastic shield, losing some of its MR attitudes, J, p early that allow J p he's somewhere. I said today now go and I gotta be me exactly exactly it's getting late in the morning on the last day of our collective lives. So I need get this sent out and get the yard mode. I, like the skies

If you re, like the kind of his job yet takes already Bruce again, like the whole although not all thing Bruce, and thank you for answering that question I didn't know. John Paul Gautier was a mad man in the world a fashion, but I do feel much more peace with world. By having an explanation can sometimes you get those little things that stick the skin of your mind and they didn't haunt you and that's where the shows all about two about hot. In your mind, skin and this concludes our, but not our shoe, assuming that the mouse find us string in our sleep right now, like the original geology. Eendracht amount, like those movies, we're, like you, see the perspective of the killer. From the one that we could have one that was like Mickey. I need to see his late creepy gloved hand.

Often any slices upper me now. Let liquor a beauty queen, oh man, but there's a tortoise inside me. So right in. Let us know what you opinion is of Disney. If you have any strange encounters were anecdotes from Disney we'd love to hear them and we'd love to hear whether or not think these rumours are poor? the boy you know like there's, no one really die Disney. Is that a myth these like smear campaigns or is there some sand to them. You cast member backstage listening to this, Few part spokesmen, I don't know, maybe run break ah What's back there, just bunch water, poor citizens, now probably and that in theirs there's a poster of a night of Knight rider, but with a kitten as like the David,

the house will have character, always picturing the lake hang in there Kitten Yang enough the tree branch is way better. Now it's the same thing was this: have it's late? cutting hanging off a tree branch, but also the car from night writers there in kit, kids going Michael. At an even fit the duty I get into the car here. You can find Matt no and I on twitter. You can finally on Facebook, you can find this on Instagram. We are conspiracies stuff where conspiracy stuff showed opinion which, when you try and

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