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they call me bad. We are joined, as always with our super producer. Paul mission control deck is most importantly, you are you are here, and that makes this stuff. They don't want you to know your favorite conspiracy, foreign team is back, live and in full effect, gentlemen. This is part four of our continuing series on the corona virus pandemic and fellow conspiracy. Released. As we said in earlier episodes, we will likely need to create more updates in the future, since our last get up a suit published on April fifteenth many many stew, change. Things have come to pass. What are the most inch dear friends I saw recently is that world leaders are going missing yeah it's true as we record today, no one's in time, We sure what's going on in North Korea is supremely, Kim Jong on actually dead possible.

Recovering from hard surgery. Maybe you didn't have a surgery at all, bear or baby just taken a little by little sabbatical from from public life to avoid contracting the virus yeah. I did Ben we were just talking about. You know they ve kind of made a big to do about trotting out at some public. Some events where he's visited fertilizer plant, I believe you mentioned finding the footage to be a little. Fishy side, yes, not unusual! For us tearing governments to have back pocket footage of earlier appearances. And then put it out as though it is currents I it's all. Very strange that the supreme, leader missed the largest holiday in the country and then just show bout of fertilizer factory. So I looked I are you guys it's real should ensure scam if we're making dumb joke. I'd, lonelier, I'd love to from you listeners woody. What are you all things it's happening. Also, the president,

Nicaragua, Daniel Ortega, has disappeared. They think that that's probably more health concern related, because he's he's been notoriously concerned with his health after offering some heart complication so possibly holed up in a bunker of some variety we became join you in there. There was in it did coup in Venezuela where at least eight people were killed, win that went through or old? Let's say: there's all kinds: weird stuff happening sort of a minor coup there. I only eight a man could have been worse. Yet Add the of the guy in charge of the guy says he's in charge of it was an ex. U S! Green berets. I've got a debt, a peace and that for US strangeness daily, but it sounds like ok, it's weird because We have to get an weeds on it, but you ass, you say they had nothing to do with it, and

Who do you believe right? I mean everything's topsy turvy cats and dogs sleep in together, oil dropped to a negative number people are paying too. El oil, which he heard we confirm that you have offered it. We talked about that, I think. Are the Pentagon confirmed it, that's acts. Emma footage has been actual has of a deeper to put its been shown rule them have been shown to probably be whether balloons from a physics perspective on a couple of vat those that have become more more popular over the last couple of days, which is dishearten but also good to know, I guess yeah I mean the ugly truth is always more preferable right. Even even if it's not it's cool as what we wish, it would be ensured. Folks. A lot of stuff has happened. This is

but we know to be true, as of today may forth. As you said, met me, the fourth be with you as we record this podcast we're going to we're going to look at some facts. We're gonna dive into the multitude of things just off the edge of the mainstream media map today, what better or somber way to start today's episode, then with the facts. So here are the facts about covert nineteen statistics issue. We did something interesting here, so we ve got the most up to date, two right to get a sense of the spread. We're gonna give you that numbers from last Friday and the numbers from today may forth. So, what's goin on maybe in the global sense and then maybe we can dive into the? U S. Globally. There have been an estimated three million, three hundred and twenty seven thousand two hundred and forty six cases of corona virus across the entire planet. As of this past Friday,

day there are three million six hundred and twenty eight thousand eight hundred and fifty one cases there were officially two hundred and thirty four thousand seven hundred and two deaths on Friday, now we're looking at two hundred and fifty one thousand and ninety nine deaths thankfully there is good news here Friday, a million about a million and fifty thousand people had recovered, as on Friday in today, we're looking at around one million. One hundred eighty four thousand people who have reported to have a word which is really great. What's funny to that, that's not the number that you see trotted out nearly as much as you would think it should be made. That really is the silver lining their that's. Quite a large number of folks that have recovered me adds its number that I personally wish would be reported more often it's it's just. It doesn't show up in a lot of news content

here in the U S, we see that on Friday, this country had an estimate did one million. Ninety five thousand three hundred four cases now That number has jumped over the weekend. It's more like one million one hundred and eighty four thousand and twenty in the number is just tick. Tick tick ticking up, as we record by Friday, sixty three thousand eight hundred seventy one people had passed away. That number is now jumped to sixty nine thousand two hundred and twenty one to take justice can hear because we're thrown a of numbers out you and those can sound. Get number fatigue or get desensitize to it. But what were what were telling? You is that thousands thousands of people die just Saturday and so I have quite a new term. You guys number numbness

now I got yeah well, it lets you stay in that numbness just for a moment, because I just want to talk about Fulton County in Georgia where office is located. We know officially open our our state. Georgia is open and we are seeing cases in full in county specifically continue to rise and they haven't fall and we are now open. So I would just say the three of us are feeling a little extra cautious. Now, even even though our state has decided to open up, and there are several there's other states that have opened up at least partially. Even though it seems like that, just that concept that a state we thinking about reopening right now makes you feel a little better, but the numbers are not bearing out positivity here Well, you know the one thing that I believe we mention on the previous episode is denote. The idea of courting court opening back up the economy,

thinking about it like in big picture sure there can be announcements and the officially we can be opened, but it's ultimately up to people in their comfort level as to how they deal with that opening up- and I was pretty shock- over the weekend in Georgia to see that people seem, You have taken this announcement by our governor, as a sign that everything's mainly to school. Again, I live very close to a big park and I walked arrogant for my daily picture size and walk. There were the weekend and there were just tons of groups of people with no masks. Hanging out in large numbers and we're seeing images like that rolling in from places like Central Park in New York in Brooklyn. You know and a prospect park- and I really feel like I think many of us in our friends, take this stuff with the grain of salt in the well. I it's up to me whether I decide to go back and return to normal or not. I think the variant

how many things like this is enough for some people to just decide that ok, everything's cool again, we don't have to social, distance anymore, and I couldn't be further from the truth right yeah SK sounding cold, given what we know about that too weak time period, I think I'm gonna give it another two weeks least. I am not championed the bits to be the beta tester here and a euro again liked it up. Point of our personal responsibility, personal rights. It carries out on a larger larger scale here, because the? U S has no coherent federal pandemic policy, it does go down to the states and that's, I think, that's that's something that will keep this process happening for while its length any

What we would do you know, as opposed to other countries that have the authority legally to lock it down like immediately. This is, I don't know this is this: is a trade if you know we will say that there is a good sign oak. Is here in the? U S, despite these openings, a hundred fifty five thousand seven hundred thirty seven people had contracted covert night contracted. Virus and recovered as of Friday and today, that number has jumped by almost thirty thousand. A hundred eighty one thousand nine hundred and one people today are officially recovered. Recent studies from South Korea seem to confirm that you cannot rican tracked this brand of grown a virus after you have already had

which is why people gain the anti body test, but I've been hearing other things, though I've I've heard other studies coming out of China, saying that they ve seen cases where people have reconstructed it or tested negative and then test deposit. You think that's more a case of fault faults It is and then getting a new test that that that is more accurate or gives you a more accurate result. Yeah. It's likely the the efficacy of the Chinese produced testing kits, especially in Europe. Days is not super great. It's not near a hundred per cent So there have been multiple countries and institutions complaining about receiving broken test kits one country, a care member who was, but there was the leader of one country, think of the african continent who said the chinese tests were bad because he just a just the test, the test he administered it to a vote in the goat, tested positive for covert nineteen animal lovers.

You'll be glad to know the goat is fine. Well, it is a great poet about accuracy there, because the tests and the abyss, need to test accurately that reform. Directly in the numbers that we just spoke about right, and there are issues with these numbers that we we ve talked about. Already in the show yeah numbers- might arrive even recording. This indicating spikes in some countries were drops, and others and numbers need to be updated for accuracy in you hit the nail on the head Matt than is a huge problem, or these numbers accurate. It depends on who you ask

the government of China and not to pick on China too much this happen in other places, but the government of China is taking a tonic. He internationally, because people just don't believe their numbers, and you know it's an understandable scepticism, because those numbers keep changing yarly this month authorities and will where the pandemic began, revised the death toll of that city. By more than fifty, percent, while the government in Beijing has continuously denied that there had been any cover ups in their handling of the virus and the Department of Homeland Security is reporting a claim that China cut. Up the severity of the virus from the start, order to better look out for their population by hoarding supplies, and you know I mean in our very first episode about this before it really hit us at home. I think it was very good. Here that there was, at the very least, a minor cover up in

way. They handled the individual who first reported this virus and threatened him with some form of addition or you know, spread rumour mongering. I believe it was so nothing there's, no question that they definitely were approaching it with some level, whether you could say it was scepticism or outright desire to cover it up. They certainly didn't jump right on it right, yeah agreed and there are also Udall. There are so many ways dv ways to gin these numbers up and put them in the direction you want them to go. If you want it to seem less extreme or as some have proposed, if your government wants to see more extreme like what counts, what counts over death is a death only covered related if the person died had previously tested positive four corona virus in attest administered biomedical professional, its tricky, especially in countries like

You lot of sub saharan african countries, and The! U S where their art a lot of tat. There is short supply. We Ogilvy can cause heart attacks of. Do you know, you people who die of a heart attack after having contracted corona virus? Do they get listed as a covert death, or did they get listed as We have a heart attack, especially if they have you no problematic, pretty good, in conditions, whether it be Obesity or sedentary lifestyle or any number of factors that can contribute to having a heart attack exactly and indeed we have to ask about the indirect fall out which there are, some people are thinking about and what we mean by indirect fall out is what happens to people who die because

play something about the pandemic, made their life impossible or dangerous. They give you your point about chronic medical condition. What if he die, because your hospital infrastructures overwhelmed and you we cannot obtain, see, insulin or something that you need to live. Is that a covert related death? I mean in this conversation it sure sounds like it is, but they didn't die from covered. They died from and overwhelmed system Daniel Weinberg, whose an associate professor of epidemiology at the Yale School of Public Health commented that quote. The assignment of causes of death is more of an art than a science because it really is sort of in the eye of the beholder. In the same way that the testing is and also same way that you can categorize. For example, Our president is pushing the line of well per capita. Are Deaths are actually pretty good and he sort of got rail. The bed, because he referred to our death toll

being really strong, I believe, was the term he used in terms of like positivity spinning it because you it then I mean there are so many ways to spend this and with so many different numbers and so much change happening so quickly. It really is something that can be quite misleading. If you don't look at the root cause or don't actually look at the numbers in a more holistic way, yeah. It goes down to our understanding of something called excess death. This kind of cold but excess death is a term describing the nome of deaths in you know what given amount of time that occur in excess of the normal established death rate, so researchers over at Yale found fifteen thousand four hundred excess deaths in the? U S from March first through April. Fourth, that's the early!

the early stages of kroner virus really taken into high gear during that time, only about half that many deaths have been attributed to covert. Then this means look at this trust. Some of these numbers, the deaths, the death toll- that's official- is probably much lower than what actually happening, how much higher we don't know, and that should scare people that should that should fall new the projections also are not set in stone. There they're not mandates instead There are serious there like a decision tree there, fluid branches of. If then decisions and we we have to remember that every choice, policymaker or an institution eyes makes during this time is going to move the prediction in a different direction and of course, if bill watching the news in the U S or abroad. You know that there are quite a few disagreements domestically and internet

no. You ve likely seen on the news, some of the protests, that of vinegar Michigan, I believe, is one of the major places that these protests have been occurring. There have been smaller ones across the states a lot of times, you'll see these reported on with a bunch of individuals who are brandishing weapons who are in a there too. Just protest there ability to work generally. It has been about getting back to work like open up. The river move, these restrictions so that we can work, and a valid thing. You know that, like we ve been talking about earlier today about Georgia opening up it's a valid concern for a lot of people, but There is also the overall dangers in we're having too, and we were were obviously disagreeing at their core about this. By were attempting to find a path I think are released. It feels like

to find a path where we're gonna be able to open up more economy whilst still stand, quarantine to an extent. There is another thing here that we really have to think about is if a lot of people cannot pay rent. They have no income, they can't pay for bills. What do we do and so far as we talked around previous episodes. The answer has been given a check. You know four twelve four dollars or certain amount of money to each the visual, but that's all you take you so far- yeah yeah, because the landlord have to pay rents as well in terms of a mortgage right or taxes, and we know that other countries such as our neighbours to the north. Canada have approached the situation much differently there. There issuing payments to people. I think in some cases in some areas there instituting rent freezes, but it I don't think it's a country wide thing

the euro. If we look at the international sphere, the lucky I kind of thought about this is China verses every body and the EU Ass is sort of a charm. Day like wild card from Sonny in Philadelphia. China is make no mistake, taking the opportunity presented by covered to conspire and expand on some long standing GEO political goals, and it is getting ugly- It was actually those report that came out recently, that was internal leaked from chinese intelligence, the Ministry of State Security, writing to top Beijing leaders, including the president jumping. They said that

Blantyre chinese sentiment is at its highest since the Tiananmen Square crackdown in nineteen, eighty nine and they are preparing for everything up to and including armed conflict between the, U S and China. That means literally war. There, They're, not declaring it but they're, saying: hey heads up well yeah in it wasn't helped by Neither is the leaked document you're talking about the five eyes report, because there is a there was all alone Thirdly, a leaked five eyes report that came out essentially confirming some of the beliefs then floating around out there, that that China did too some of the actions that it has been accused of previously of kind of covering up Irish that we mentioned you know earlier in the show it did certainly didn't help there. That came out at the time when these tensions are continuing to rise, because then it makes

I'm. I'm assuming I dont know about a ton of this stuff, but it's gonna, embolden the United States to feel like we're in the right too, you know suddenly defend ourselves, but to prevent China taking some of these bigger steps that you're talking about even yet theirs it there. Another story that hasn't got a lot of play here in the: U S: Euro. We don't want to make us my optically about just the: U S and China, China have been increasing its attempts to influence Australia in a major way and they're getting help from Austria is billion air mining class like there's, a guy named Andrew Forest, recently saw snuck a chinese official into a Think of it, like a federal level, government press conference after the Brilliant government had already declined to speak with the guy or haven't speak, so it's sort of like for peace. Active it similar to say: Elon, musk or Warren,

off it or someone crashing White House Press conference and bringing one of their international bodies in and say hey, can you just can just speak here? I know that you guys are super great friends with Tehran, but can this diplomat then I just brought in speak here. It's it's stunning and he's doing it because of mining interests in agreements he, as in in China and just how can I get back up to the vice thing it as a river recourse five eyes, are five intelligence agencies of English, largely English speaking trees, the United States, Canada, a kingdom stricter and New Zealand it's all of those intelligence agencies working together and there in Australia it's interesting those those next thing. Australia

We will see what's going on the up and at this point you always said the: U S is wildcard honestly what what is there to say it's losing massive ground internationally its policies, often seen from the outside looking in self contradictory, disparate mercurial, though That's because you, a lot of states are taking their own paths. The line between business Government has a rooted, and we have to be honest. It is difficult to keep track of the conspiratorial narratives out there they keep growing. Some are we're plausible than others. What do we mean? We'll tell you after work from our sponsor, IBM problems inspire us to push the world forward. That's why so many people with us on everything from city traffic to ocean plastic. Smart loves problems IBM, let's put smart too, visit, IBM dot com, slash smart to learn more though we're part these days,

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quite a few headlines about his foundation. The bill and Melinda Gates Foundation yeah ideas that they teamed up. You know that Padres fellow super wealthy superveillance, and they and assimilation back in October, of twenty nineteen, where they predicted sixty five million deaths due to covert nineteen. Here's the thing. That actually happened, there was actually an exercise was called event to a one. I think we mention briefly in previous episode. It was hosted the Johns Hopkins Centre for health security, and it did focus an emergency preparedness in the event of a severe pandemic, but it did not deal with covert nineteen and it did not make real life predictions about death. Tolls did deal with a corona virus, but not this. Because, as we said earlier there, there are multiple kinds accruing virus. Just like there are multiple

John rows of music with drums, multiple kinds of cancer, multiple flavors of ice cream, I know just say: no, if you want to delve deep into this, you can just quotations in your search and do event to zero one, and you ll find all kinds of stuff there's. You know you can see the official documents to the region, The videos that are put out their people speaking about it it is it does feel very creepy especially if you ve been watching the season of West world with that giant computer simulation. That runs the entire planet. It feels like hey. Maybe maybe bill and Melinda have access to some giant simulated machine. That's gonna, eventual tell each human what their lifecycle is gonna be properly. If anyone has any them now I mean I would say well and it's our next set of

happy billionaires the coke for others. So the idea here is that the Coke brothers and similar super hard right wing neo futile lists are financing the Protests tat? We ve been seeing what would you call that when you got crisis actors of some kind or were like sleigh, gas Nassau Puppets, that's exclusively online, but it is idea that there is in some way, financing this to create a kind of a a bit of a push so that their powers and the corporations they have steak and dont suffer further economic catastrophe because of this pandemic in there has been a lot of catastrophe going around in the business world and make nervous there because all the news about J crew that just came that they are going to be going in there? They ve chapter eleven being hurry. It see that

and made well that's one of the one of their brands but other be closing a ton of stores, and you know that is one company one club retailer knows me having a lot more in the near future yeah. The only question is how extreme that trends will become is this is interesting. So are the protest puppet masters? It's true that allow of the wealth is true that I would see the majority of those protests to reopen. Are you are purposely designed to appear as though they are grass roots, and the question is whether there being astroturf there were a couple people and read it. Who did some fantastic research into the powers behind these front organisations. Right Michigan Open, Maryland suit. You it is understandable that people might think that coke brothers are behind this again member they d,

ran point on the tea party protest, it back in oh nine and twenty ten, but this when actually seems to be not true. The main political arm for the COPE brothers is an organization called Americans for prosperity, beautiful name right, chefs kiss they rejected the in person, protest, They said by their seal specifically said. The question is: what is the best way to get people back to work? We don't see. Protest is the best way to do that. She went on to say the choice between full, shut down and immediately opening everything is a false choice, so they did Actually you a lot of times to get rightly vilified, but they didn't actually do this when someone else did and we found out hoop and I can apparently be traced back you bet, see device, so don't be fooled by the slightly different names here we ve got

Indiana, citizens against excessive quarantine, and we also have operation gridlock, Tennessee and other groups that are bank world by powerful people. They are the opposite of grass roots. The Michigan Freedom Fund was founded by Gregg Mc Neely, a political advisor to the divorce family, who has provided financial support to that organization, but that you know that this is what those things where it doesn't mean: Betsy Divorce. Did it right This means there are connections there, just pointing. Let us remember that yeah yeah you're being fair, that that is true, but it does appear be some astroturf being I'm. There is a possibility that some of those protesters are in fact paid to protest. So I would say dig in more, but don't don't let the easier headlines fool you, especially when there are frankly other thing.

To worry about I'm not seeing their worse, but I'm seeing their protests the only thing going on. Let's talk about tech companies, you guys, let's talk about surveillance, let's talk about tracking apps blowing up in countries around the world and I would There is a genuine. I don't I don't know the correct wording here, but There is good reason to want to have tracking apps when you're inside a pandemic through there is a genuinely good reason to have that, because you want to see or to be able to predict there are not someone is at risk of speed the virus to someone else or whether or not the individual is going to be at risk of getting it. What they're calling contact tracing right like that's like the big, you know thing, that's good. Really help stem the tide of this. This this disease is being to somehow systematically theoretical equally who's been in contact with whom and then trade

back to the source? And then you know institute proper testing as The only way to kind of get a handle on this yet innovation is smart. It's something that probably should be done, the problem is in our world of big data, all of this stuff to speak, comes another data set of the two to track people to control. All in a certain way worthy least, to have the information about the individual and then apply it to massive groups and any continue going upwards. As we said, whatever the intentions behind these things are one few: let the badger the bag it's really hard to put it back in even when conditions get better. So what Athens, Post corona. Once these things have been put into place, yeah, yet sexual question: let's go country by country talked about this past, but we have more details now so a lot of our

other listeners in Australia have written in. Thank you so much to talk about something called covered safe, it's an app and it uses Bluetooth to record euro to keep a record rather of other people with the app who had been in close proximity to you or your phone within the past. One one days it's modeled Honour Singapore's earlier at the info room on the phone until the user, who, until a you route has positive, recovered decides to upload it, and then that information is used to trace the contacts of that infected person. It collects all. Of data, and the government says that only state health, tools will have access to it blots euro, that it does so. What does that mean? You know what I mean: yeah, there's no time limit justice phone aside here? We we had a listener

from down under a right to us and Whenever you sign up for This service covered safe. You get a specialised, pin, analysing a pin number and the pin number that he was a sign was six six six: zero, zero one! You ve found that to be amusing and yet, and so let's go mention Singapore right. Singapore's app is the base for the Australia app this one had about twenty percent of the population, Singapore started using it since its launch in April, but the issue here is one of just privacy, but efficacy, because the number of grown a virus cases during that time shot up from one thousand more than sixteen thousand. So it is still a good diagnostic tool is just the question is how effective is it at stopping

cove it and then you have New Zealand and as that country comes out of its hard locked down. It's all going to launch a contact tracing out by its the details are a little scare so or not quite clear about going to work? Radio New Zealand has reported that it will update people's details with the Department of Health, so they can be contacted direct, but beyond that very little is known of the stage and just a piggy back of that really quickly, even here, in Georgia. The department of Health is doing a tab, outreach kind of situation where there going door to door and offering that's what is called the anti body test. So people can see if they have contracted by obviously those it takes a long time to do that kind of outrage, because it, it's very, hands on very one on one just just to take about a museum really quickly. This is one of the first countries to declare

that they eradicated Corona, VI, within within their countries. Boundaries of that was they may that announcement. I think, on the thirtieth of April by the it was found that there were several cases that actually arose after made that announcement It is one of the first places where the heavy stricken on travel would like to know Ireland as well as away from New Zealand. It really seem to stop the virus in its tracks. Pretty well like that again, our intend, Emmett yeah, but also New Zealand. Is it like a super densely populated country? I mean, I think we say Blake at a previous. No, it was ridiculous history episode. We were talking about exploding pants because of chemical that was used to eradicate a type of we'd that was killing off grass. That cows would be the

or of sheep, I think outnumber humans in music, yet about sixty one is the number that gets thrown around by way of a ton of people coming in through that country absolutely air. But to do your point that matter that that obviously was a smart move for them to institute that's. Quickly and effectively that a travel man, one other thing, is that you might you need to know. Fellow listeners is this: New Zealand also is currently harbouring a lot of people have gotten in on golden ticket passports. That's very good: citizenship, space time A and investment that you make and you're, you're, essential, you're, buying citizenship and right before this. As it was, hitting some of the people who were in the no docked off to New Zealand, where, already lived on property that they abide months or years ago. Specific. Before its isolation and its potable water neo gaming is

is currently in New Zealand, but I think he just got caught their euro with with bad luck but Niels fine and I don't think he was The billionaire elite escape plan, mice problem safer than most of us or easy, because one thing: New Zealand can't do it start is change its proximity to China, China. Probably the most solid example of how stream these acts can be, and they can become this way. It's the hard core. When this mandatory. It is tied to her. I d it governs where you can go through cure scanners, Anna and color system. If your clear, your green, if your lower amber you need to isolate. If you read you either been firm positive where you been in close kind. Act with someone who has tested positive. So that means that unless you stay inside all of the time

You could turn red at any time and you need this out by the way. Travel anywhere you needed to get into venues, and now those restrictions are starting to ease but that is real black mirror stuff. It's happening now that this can happen a blade runner people can do this to you now Ben D, think the infrastructure of this was in some ways helped by the sesame credit situation that was sort of being tested. Now, let's up that's a great question, I I assume that they have some of the same architecture. It would have to end. It stems from some of the sum of the same ideology and goals. Definitely dss me cry still in full effect, that's very good point. I, and I will say this is a hot taken and I'm half joking when I say this, but I can't think thus another situation than this that has

more net positives from being a totalitarian government it because they can actually force you to behave and force you to do what's best for the masses, as opposed to the individuals like we're, seeing with all the people just coming out on mass based on the concept of opening back up the the finally, I would just say that there is less manipulation required and you can be a little more straightforward when you're authoritarian, yet Neil after about the Overton window. You don't have, have offline conversations with a thousand media, India, France, Israel, Germany, the United Kingdom, South Korea he has either instituted a system like this, or they are planning to do so

Israel's having some difficulties because of the privacy concerns. Now we talk a lot about these tracking apps in other countries, but what about the good old, United States bull pie bald Eagles freedom in all key. Apps underlined highlighted couple. SK limitation marks to really make it pop will tell you, after a word from our sponsor working from home conference calls ears tat on you, John, with everything we have going on right now. It's never been more important to sleep. We need quality. Sleep is a natural immune boost and only the sweet number three six

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knocking out to be fair. We are just talking about the: U S here: what we're about to discuss? R L, AIDS, really a baseline in version of an act that will be instituted or can be instituted in any country that you is to adapt it so listen, jump to on April tenth when Apple in Google announced that they are going to be working together and using the smart, the smartphone tat for both Apple Iphones, Iowa stuff as well. Android operated phones to help track covert spread of covered in the same way we ve been discussing before just like the one that the first one, we talked about in Australia, covert safe version is gonna use blue to through the blue, to four point: zero, oh energy, they're gonna use that Tec to keep track of mobile phones and proximity, just which owns come into close contact with each other and that's real.

All your talking about here, that's everything that this act is meant to do. Is this an advancement of the website that Google was supposedly working on that Trump kind of prematurely announce? early on saying that developers at Google were hard at work, creating some kind of database and then turned out that they barely had begun, Can it wasn't really as much of a thing is, he may be made it out to be the sort of the next Jen of that announcement this is an evolution of of that yes correct early on it was you know, people touting that it was going to use gps technology to trace, to actually trace where people we're going once they venal contracted, covered nineteen, as now, as of today on me forth official word is that it's just going to be using Bluetooth. Data proximity and it won't be collecting GPS data or location services, data much less a real time yeah. So this is brought up these

grave concerns over coming years. Our works right keeps track of we known and let's say you test positive over nineteen and any uses that information to go back and tell everybody that you plausibly could have on into and then also helps to try to trace when you may have contracted it and how, by as you imagine not everybody's happy with this. The two big questions: how effective will this actually be and then, secondly, how does it affect? What's left of privacy, yeah Jennifer, frantic from the ACL you who heads up their surveillance and Cyber security programme notes that contact tracing is, one piece of the puzzle which which I think is fair, saying that it can't be fully effective quote until there is widespread free and quick testing and equitable access to health care. I think the that health care peace has been something that really has been highlighted by this pandemic. How

desperate the availability of healthcare is depending on who you are, who you work for, and the economic strategy that you find yourself in I'd really pointed a glaring finger finger be glaring at a no budget. At that problem our country there really no I'm out say universal health care, which is true, but there really is no equitable access to health care in this country like that of the guinea. One would argue with that too hard now absolutely not adhere to reality. The it's here. Let's look at how this roll out, despite the fact that two Jennifer Graphics point the: U S does not have the infrastructure to get the most use out of this company's google enough are planning to rule this out in two phases? First, their release and software this month to let public health authorities build and release apps on Android and on Apple, and then

the coming months. The move to face to face two was where Google and apple build this function directly into the operating system. You heard that right is being built into the o s on your phone, doesn't matter if you download the app it doesn't matter. If you love hate the app be on your o s, no one sure what happens to That's revealing all that data once its gather. Does it just vanished post covert. Google recently made an announcement about this right. Think Google and Apple jointly made an announcement. The other independently sent out a couple of It is in our analysis about this thing, so here's the big take away that they keep pushing on that concept, that they're not going to collect location data using this. It's not could be used for this at all, and not going to be using the data collected for targeted advertising and I think the most positive thing going here. Is that all its positive and negative it

positive for privacy its negative for the effectiveness of the app, because each visual person is going to have to upload or confirm that they have tested positive fork, work a virus. So it's not as though you are going. It's gonna do in autumn, quickly upload win win. Let's say Matt when I contract, corona virus I get tested I find out, you know, through the tests that I have definitely contracted it. It's not going to then, can they My phone, my device to my identity and up that, I am colonel virus positive. I after then go in through the the gooey or through the app and upload or confirm my test, which cause there's each carnivores tests will have. Number essentially generating associated with it. You have to confirm that then that gets, out to everybody that has come, contact with my phone over the core

Have you? No, whatever that time window is, let's say two weeks, like banning, nor in my work in all my friends, I've talked to which, really seen anybody the first two weeks, but they would all get notified that perhaps they came into contact with someone would not. I If I me with Corona vires yeah yeah, that's great, you can see how there an effort towards anonymity. Here then, you know me, you can believe Google and Apple when they say when say they will ask. Research things. Are they won't share them if they get them, because you know a company is able to get rid of doubt if they want they are able to avoid collecting certain things I ve to do whatever they want with it unless they are legally compelled. Do not do something, and that brings us wanted. Big worries, which is the government big brother. I let's say that.

Gold apple or acting in good faith. Let's say that they have. You know an app called. Oh no called America breathe easy or something, and that that's too When about America Breezy there we go yeah America, Breezy and so they have America breezy and their collect. In the start up, then there their plan is to chunky like to break it afterwards blights legit you shouldn't requires them to handed over. You see big brother, whether that's the ass her, whether that's it it doesn't matter whichever country, Nepal, who taught it doesn't matter big brother, is there and is able to use this opportunity to get sweeping survey whence powers. It is naive, extremely so to assume that every country granting itself sweeping surveillance powers is actually going to give them up after this is over after it normalizes. In fact, if you know some people might call this too far out there to Tinfoil Hattie

but it is plausible that several of these capabilities for widespread monitoring already existed. A global pandemic is just the perfect unity that happened along and now governments can go public with stuff. They already had now tech companies can go public with stuff they all Eddie had. I am personally smoking. I am personally certain. That's that's the case in the U S can I say, as we know was you know, longtime listeners, the inner say and various other organizations here, including five eyes, can do way more than then is publicly admitted yeah. We know this, I we absolutely notice from what we know about the the giant data facilities they were built in Utah and what the say was using them for, because people leaked information about it, we found out about that Think about how long ago there was been when we, talking about that and how we ve. Just forgotten or

just choosing to not think about it, because it me feel a little better. When I don't think about it. Now you make a great point and I'm trying very hard to stay positive here so maybe not we'll, have updates by the way, future episode very soon on Julian Assange and Edward Snowden, don't think they are forgotten. It may be that russian spy. You know, I think she got back she's out of prison you're right. Will these remain posted pandemic? The answer is this unless there are specific sunset laws put into place, then absolutely unlike tech companies. The government has yet to issue an official statement about this to the which means that for right now, unless something changes, privacy is Elvis in America's building than Elvis has left the building resolve out homeward yeah. Well, I'm Ok, here's the positive, if there

is ever a pandemic of sums. Or even an outbreak that is more isolated to one section of one country or you know a cluster of countries. You could use this infrastructure to help from the jump and that good, a good way of perhaps avoiding the the economic downturn. There were experiencing right now. If that was there, and it was only being used for positive means to trace- and you know an outbreak like this that's the one silver lining. I can imagine the boy. That's thing private versus safety. Rare liberty versus safety, Yad unthinking speaking of things, people of more or less forgotten about above the election. Let's go oh right, edges seems so bottom of mind, given everything is going on, which is messed up to say the least, but yeah there's are increasing concern, sorely around whether the government will use covert as a way to

essentially changed the nature of or delay elections. This is spreading who all political walks of life in the? U S and a handful of potential concerns. Dismay Tori Mail in voting constitute a pole tax. That's interesting! This mandate in person voting, constitute a health risk to of the same coin. Will the November presidential election be delayed, or not happen I mean they delayed. Bonner Russa mean who's to say they can't delay the election. Dragging on right right- it certainly Who does not seem out of the realm of possibility, and it seems like the kind of thing that could be very easily justify as a very reasonable measure to take to keep people safe, but their nefarious intent behind it. That's the thing right right. What the intense, and also this is

interesting one. This one has gained a lot of popularity. Recently, it's the concept of the distraction. What if, instead of being under reported covert numbers, the death rates, Lee contraction rates, what if there actually being inflated? If so, why? This argument is pretty popular in various groups. The the idea here. Is that a great deal of the covert worry is either in part or in full and intentional effort by media and various governments to distract the public from other pressing issues such as you know, an election or to allow a government. More breathing room to institute massive surveillance capabilities without all the debate conversation criticism. That would normally happen. I mean this is an interesting one. We noted the inherent opportunism. There is no question that people are taking advantage in tremendously unethical ways, but here we talk

this, we have to ask ourselves the same question. You asked whenever you see a government messing up. Is this out of ingenious design, ingenious insidious design, or is this you know garden variety, incompetence, the kind you can encounter at ST quarters and all you can eat by phase the world over. I dont know I really you know. If we if we walked through it, I think we could find arguments for both sides. As far as inflating the numbers one or the other arguments would be that the numbers are being inflated to prevent them from reaching. Ah, I can traffic point where I mean what do you think it? What do you guys know on what the near I've? Seen floating around is that the numbers are being inflated to cause enough fear in people to self quarantine,

Even if there are you know, their orders from Let's see your states governor or the President himself that you have to quarantine, not we is going to listen to that. But if the death toll and the numbers are scary enough. Then people will do it because they feel they are protecting themselves and their families. That's the narrow, I've seen floating around. I do not. I do not believe this to be true, do. I do know psychologically that would be correct. Right is like psychologically, you would have an effect on people, if you, if you made the numbers higher than they were in. You made it more scary. You get everyone to comply the way the majority of people, at least in the United States, have been complying that would be a pretty generous and magnanimous use of that kind of inflating, though I would say right like well with the result the best interest of people's health in mind where

also about versions of it. There are much more self serving. You know right, yet the the nefarious to that. Generally, to that narrative, is that the economy is being crashed purposefully to they bring in you, know too, to kill cash essentially or to cause a revolution within the United States in a book I love it. You know I arrive Just before the attempt to the latest attempted venezuelan coup. Iran went in and cleaned out some of their gold bars because oil countries are in a fix right now. So. This speak of narrative. This brings us to something. I know a lot of us we're hoping here on today's episode and as this recently the curve president of the United States, made international headlines when he stated that he had proof proof positive, of some sort that convinced him, this grown. A virus did indeed come from a

for that same laboratory that we mentioned back in our first covered episode, but keep a mind. This contradicts RO other findings, including those from some. U S, departments in intelligence agencies when asked to describe this proof were to speak more about it. The president said this This quote. He said he wasn't allowed to that. You know there could be taken to mean there were security concerns right if There is something more to this story. It could fundamentally all our understanding of the situation and again, if that sort of proof does exist, going public with it could expose. The who s intelligence apparatus to play. We euro spies compromise people learn about tech that maybe they weren't supposed to know about, but that would be that, like that's the.

If we are making an assumption, re Versu mean that there is something: real there. Then that would be the First reason not to reveal it, but no what else has confirmed this there's no second seconds coming out in a green with at this point yeah, I would just say we have seen similar statements like this, that appeared that appear to be, akin to hey, I've got some really important information, but I can't tell you about it yet have you got a girlfriend, you would nor she's. She has a different well she's from Canada she's, I swear she's real thou she's, absolutely Absolutely real? Her name is tests not to say that the president isn't maybe he does have some kind of highly classified thing, but I totally agree with you been about how it seems like it just seems like a poor move in general.

And we're waiting to hear more as that story develops, but again to be absolutely fair. If it is true, then That is a powder keg of of a development there, one last one last point today, as we ve just sort of skimmed across a wide variety of things. You may have heard that a book by fiction author Dean Koontz predicted, corona virus, the eyes of darkness. You know if you read one of the paper back additions, now you'll see that it's a story about something called whew Heine four hundred corona virus a pandemic that spreads across the world. However, that's not what, originally said. If you look at the first printing, it was called Gorky four hundred and they changed on four hundred talk about an opportunity,

changes to one four hundred and twenty nineteen. Ok, ok, we'll still still it still somewhat predicting an early some clever. You now copy editor predicted it. A lot of eyes of bugs naval boycott eyes of the dragon as well as that Stephen King, I think, isn't it notes the kids eyes of the dragon. Is by Stephen King you're. Damn right, then, twilight eyes. Ok, he made twilight eyes that the only other eyes book he has now he's got a lotta books. He a lot of books. I remember hideaway member hideaway Ben that was about a satanic worship, Satan worshipping serial killer, and there was a movie where ok My sister play their character. Jeremy sister famously played the unhinged boyfriend of Clare.

On six feet under he's kind of an artist guy. He was clueless. I want to say about that. Guy always played like kind of a man s character, but that was an interesting movie. That's so I see that they that they changed that. Why wonder what their mode? she was for changing the text. All originally the virus believe in the first burning from eighty one. It was I think a russian town- I maybe that's incorrect. I want to see- was a russian town where the virus originated Gordy Gorky Park as a famous russian amusement park, believe that is ass, a place you can visit, still wear sort of been ravaged by radio activity from Chernobyl. I believe near here. I saw it came out, Nightingale, Weiwei's Gorky, and then what released again in eighteen, eighty, nine. It was changed one so so that

the ILO myth busted it's interesting to think about and dean. If you listening, I keep it up. Man, let's let us know about your next projects- are speaking things that are next. This is this is our show for today we have to leave it to you do, you think, is going to happen next. Are we going to see a spike in death, are we going to see a decline in deaths? Are we going to see that these numbers in the origin story of grown a virus are in fact fabrications? I don't know you We're just gonna have revelation after revelation, I'm pretty sure every week day moving forward there's gonna be a ton for us to talk about, especially once all of us have our Iowa soaring Android devices, letting snow, how the beat we ve come into contact with the corona virus and it as it stands right now. I don't believe any of us have gotten the test, whether at antibody test- or you know, a test to see if work early, infected, because

I think in hearing in Atlanta, we are pretty lucky that a few places are making those tests of people and the criteria. Forgetting one has started to loosen in the past few weeks, where you can you now promise that the president made early or anyone who wants a test can get a test is starting to be a little more true, but still not now as true as it may be sure, I would say in it positive, an scary thing. Waffle houses reopened in Georgia and guys I went to one Locked into a lawful house and picked up might go order. It was pretty scary, but there are actually there was not crowded, but they were taking a lot of steps. I would say to to make me feel safe as the customer as well as keep their employees safe. It was actually it was great. What did you get? You know asked our special dude. What are the including awful it does

because in a baby, yet so hopeful, Everybody knows this, but here in the mail in South Asia Waffle House closing down is a huge deal, in fact for awhile FEMA, unofficially used, used, wallflowers closures as a measure of disaster severity, yeah, waffle, Ouse Index exactly one last little update by the way, if you guys are this, but billboard magazine recently put out an Oracle sang, Missouri Governor says, concerts can resume Monday. Missouri Governor arson has given the ok for concert to begin again as early as Monday. Long as certain social distancing measures or tat I don't know how you do that in a concert properly have does seem tough,

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Again, I guess I'll just it'll be very on brand for me to paint some badgers, so maybe I'll send those along two guys online, nice, You can always find me dean, Toots official on Instagram, oh I'll, be there just showing you all the books that I've got really great books hideaway one of em, so devoted check it out oh hey and another one about eyes. Nor for you, my work the corner of his eye. Sixteen you don't wanna, find me on Instagram, again Dean, Koontz official. You can always Give me a call as well as the rest of the guys here. Our number is one eight, three, three std w. Why T Kay can leave a message. Tell us how you doing what you're thinking something you want. To cover something you want us to stop doing there then a few messages coming our lately that have been like hey you're pronouncing this wrong. Stop doing that, so you can do that

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