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go on the show watching us through a nifty new window, because he is moving on up, but you know what that, even though he's outside something tells me that he can hear us call, it can't face, call it that here, phones I seem wearing and and the fact that he is not in what we say stuff how those where he he did respond in real time. Easy coincidence is it an accident? Is there something else out there. Some other explanation and speaking of amazing egg ways? day. We're working on you F, o re. That's correct, specifically an incident that took place in cats, Bird Pennsylvania that has baffled people ever since the day that it occurred. Yeah it's tantalised people, it is

irritated sceptics and you apologist alike, because even today spoil her alert. Most people don't agree about what and including surviving eye witnesses. So what we're going to do is explore the facts of this. Some of the way this changed and in the end as what you think, because this is a fascinating case, but we're ok so met just just the facts. What what happened and around four forty five p m on December nine nineteen sixty four, residents of expert Pennsylvania around forty miles outside of Pittsburgh, saw something bizarre, unexpected and frightening a ball of fire shot through the sky. Thing. Purportedly ACORN shaped appear to make a controlled crash slowing down before hit the ground now

is it just one person, that's giving this report to a police officer, something you know sure it's called calling on one s on increasing this event had hundreds of witnesses yet because numerous people saw and the question would be like what was it, because we know that these people all saw something they didn't just collectively pretend that something happened around five pm mine December night about. Was it a military craft wayward meteorites. Something else that's right to me just after hearing the description itself, like what we ve seen before on numerous videos, when a meteorite breaking up as it's going through, the atmosphere Reich physical to the atmosphere is. Is that no better ruses? It's a heck of a trip, and most meters meteorites burn up right, a suit, Story will,

explore the evolution this story, but for while people thought the case was largely closed, until that is the nineteen nineties and listeners, as some of you may remember, show called unsolved mysteries. You remember that when that, oh, I definitely do. I loved I remember I remember seeing it. I guess it must have been reruns by then, but it came on these are three rounds of ALF, very it was appropriate to me. It made sense, to my my kid mind, so win win unsolved salaries, ran this episode on tax bird or this segment rather thee, which we say We're family shows what you say. The poop hit the fan almost immediately and just numerous often contradictory reports, aspects of this institution, unexplained today. So let's look at the initial reports, how the subsequent explanations change, as well as words from the sceptics

from those who are convinced that this was some sort of extra terrestrial object and, of course, the eye witnesses. A threat in some of the people who witnessed this. They claim that they actually made it to the area or at least close area to wear this thing. For it is impacted and according to some of the statements, they came upon a large metallic acorn shaped object. That was just in the ground that had hit, and it was one these of solid metal, I think one person said bronze gold. In color, and it didn't happen kind of rivets in it or anything like that, didn't have seems it didn't appear to be created out of of man made materials. You know the way you would see an aircraft sure I can aircraft at that time would have invisible rivets. You could see clear marks of construction. It's interesting because, None the witnesses were several actually claim,

saw markings that resembled a gypsy, hieroglyphics and met. This reminds me of weird yet reminds me of the although the rascal, crash report is that we did some videos on. I'm gonna, go ahead and say that we didn't see any clear photograph This thing, at least you when I haven't found any, but some poor, reputedly, allegedly exists. I let's go I too witness deem it there's a guy who was by the time is energy came round. She was a retired machinist named Jim Romance key and at the time of the event he was an eighteen year old Volunteer fire fighter. He said he saw the object, Looked like it was a liquid metal poured into a mould, and we can. We can look more this later, but let's introduce one of the most important and witnesses for this story.

A name you need to remember is John Murphy time he was a brand new director of W H, J B in nearby Greensburg, which is really station, exactly radio station gentlemen and remember John Murphy now, received word of this event from a listener which is kind of cool right that idea that year sitting there doing your job as well as on the air, and then what this mysterious thing, crashed in your stuck in a room, and you know, trying to get in as much information as you can. I can. I am so jealous the of John Murphy in this instance while yet people still will call radio stations and so he's the director Imagine you sitting somewhere very much for your city, knoll, directing things right, ok, yeah! He really can Harris, so

through this story ass, he he receives a call from a listener, name: Frances Kelp. She reports that something crazy happen. The skies falling well, maybe not all of it, but some well, maybe not some of the big one. Flaming object has fallen near her home. She said that she and her kids approached this thing. Out about a half mile away from it, and they saw it He described as a four pointed star. Saward Murphy do will first of all just point out that a four pointed stores of very different description? Then we ve heard before yeah for all the other stuff right. Ok, so she calls Pennsylvania stay police and they asked her to meet and led them to where she found this thing now back to John Murphy, key called the Pennsylvania, state police after he heard of this, and he asked Kelp Deja VU lady that we said who went out and saw the thing too,

and then led them to where she sought, then Murphy himself drives out to check it out and here's the thing we don't know who made their first was it Murphy? Was it the tops, his wife, Murphy's wife, Bonnie Murphy's said that she believes her husband made it out their first ok, but as far as whether how true that is, we don't know we do know that Murphy Interview Francis Carpenter, kids at the scene, and he also read it. State, police officials, Carl Metz and Paul ship CO and after they walked out of the woods they were evasive, tumor fear he found them of aid. When he asked what they had seen and they all they said was that the military the involved, so Murphy did what so many of us have probably done when we were not happy with our interactions with normalization escalated it

yeah. So Murphy, however, was not one to be counter intimidated and he called Metz and ship goes boss. He called the state police captain whom I believe was then do so. Do you as a do so responded pretty favourable hidden invited Murphy to come to the police office in Greensburg to hear the official statement from Feds members of the army in the air force were there and we their official statement. That quote at least right. The pencil new state police have made a thorough search in the woods. We are convinced that there is nothing whatsoever in the woods, nothing we found

that's not even trees or wildlife, yet zilch zip, nothing to see here yet is obliged not to surf soon. Murphy Murphy takes his statement and obviously he doesn't believe it. He overhears officers talking about a pulsating blue light and when he learns that, are going to return to the site. He asked them if he can come with them and they say yes, but when they get to the woods, he's not allowed, the military has reportedly cordon off the area, but the tape up put some guards around the perimeter restricted access noon. Several witnesses say that they saw large, flatbed truck, leaving the same spot with a conical object of some sort under the tarp, after which the military began to leave as well. Man, so put yourself in Murphy shoes here. What do you do? You think that these guys are hiding

something that you know even depend. What it is to have huge consequences on all of mankind? helps or maybe even just your country. If it's another country's thing that fell out of the sky, what do you do? Well, Murphy decides That he's gonna work on a radio special called objects in the woods and he's interviewing win says he's talking to as many people as he can and putting it on air now, a few days before, Special aired witnesses began, calling Murphy and requesting that he chop, while the parts that they were in and you know why: why would they want that? Well, they were fearing the army, whoever really and control the situation may be just the police would somehow retaliate against them for even talking about this thing. Now, after the show

men in suits visited Murphy. They went to his office. They spoke in this back room for about half an hour. They took his taped interviews when they left and Murphy refused to talk about this incident again. Now, that's pretty crazy right. That sounds like something you right in the script shore sounds. It sounds very similar to numerous men, black stories and anecdotes it's it's true, though met people do get visited, especially back. Then people would get visited by the third It's just men in nondescript, suits you. It did happen. Murphy's wife Bonnie noted that his his research in the documents that have been keeping work

on as well, and she never saw the photographs that Murphy took because he refused to speak about this incident. Allegedly, he gave a copy. The uneducated fool documentary to a man named Stan Gordon, but this an additive Vision. The documentary has also disappeared, Stan Gordon is someone will come up later. When we talk about the modern day, I he is someone who you can check out. If you believe there is then rotten in Denmark, or should I say, rotten in cakes, barricades, Albania. So, let's get some of these initial public statements are. Ok were the first one, the spokesmen review, publish a story on December tenth called UFO starts many fires and in

this peace. They claim that the the object set a bunch of fire I started a bunch of fire when it when it land and or crashed there were lots of bursts of light that occurred. When when the sun came down and also a lot of smoke before hitting the earth. Now This industry is a fairly short article, which you can look up for of online and you'll see reports of different fires happening around different parts of the Pennsylvania Area and outside of it others reported somebody describing this is a volleyball shaped, objective we bear size, but we also have to keep in mind.

For someone on the ground with a fast moving object, bright one. It can be very difficult for us to have a true understanding of the size of the object in and the distance of the object, and this is something that's gonna come up with some of the sceptical statements as well. Another funny thing happened the air for changes. The official report to state that, instead of not find anything in the woods, a meteorite fell to earth. Most people accepted this explanation. That case is closed for decades. However, that wasn't the last time the story would change the Athens drew me in the ninety Ninetys. As we said, the story hit the public eye in the public mind. A new thanks to these folks, unsolved, mysteries and is this was controversial in the area at the time people who lived and expert relieve you know they are divided. Some people really didn't like the attend.

And that this was bringing their fairly small town, and you know I think there is even a petition that was gathered together and signed by a lot of people. Sure yeah summit I just want to show films. They were alive when it happened. They never claimed to be witnesses, but they didn't what unsolved, mysteries or television tower stirring up more outer towners and violating privacy. I imagine it is interesting: does. It seems like it would be a boon to yours, town area, there, worrisome, there's a u S. Store. They are now this this tourist industry that sprouts out around these things is deadlines,

they're after the show more witnesses came forward and will call them self identified witnesses. Zero have lotta confirmation, so these are anecdotes. One one person was nine seats, airforce officer who was apparently tasked with guarding this flat truck, we mentioned earlier and told it was bound for right, Patterson AIR Force Base, another one was a building contractor who apparently transported a load of sixty five hundred quota special bricks. Whenever the heck lead is to hang. Inside right, Patterson, MRS in AIR force, and he, inside, and he claims that he saw this bill shapes device with.

Some some men wearing these- you know the white radiation soon earlier. I let you need before the radiation protection suits here any said. These guys are looking at a going all over it, just trying to figure out either either studying it or something, and they start escorted them out and tell him they say. He's just saw an object that in twenty years would become common knowledge and we go ok, I have to say this important fared has met. We do know that, especially in terms of aircraft, that is complete possible another right twitters, not just for the United States to do. I prefer other countries, China, Russia, probably several european countries- have they capability, but the United States is when the biggest in the game So as soon as this happens as soon as unsolved mysteries runs. This thing I knew Other shows begin focusing on tax and their tents,

in the? U S: full believers with things that are not quite answers and their doubtlessly taking the heck out of you know, Overly emotional sceptics? Yes, the the. So the question is will exactly landed. We have several possibilities right, the first one for increasing, the top and then was the official story for a while there, a meteorite right, yeah immense, clearly possible. An eighteen thousand to eighty four thousand meteorites. There are larger than ten grams hit earth every year, and then, if you look at something like the german meteor shower mainly was in progress at the time of course, astronomer, Royal Louie, winger from Penn state. He doesn't think anything could have survived the passage through the atmosphere to the ground, at least that would match up what people saw the Katharine Incident right, yeah

then there's will go ahead and threw it out there there's the possibility of an eye the fight, none man made object and this one of the big things that people use as proof of this is that there is proof of arm secrecy shifting stories official sources contradicting one another. But again the big question is, if there really as an extra terrestrial thing. Then. How on or off earth could it be kept secret for so long that's asking a lot, especially of people already yo, especially if we have a guy who's working on a documentary. If we have all these other people coming forward and seeing stuff, yet you have to wonder what what else that is an extra he claimed, but there are other claims that people put a little bit more, give a little bit consideration to perhaps what, if.

This thing was a russian satellite, specifically the Venus Cosmos, ninety six satellite. Ah, yes, that is an excellent question and that still one of the front running theories there is, Soviet satellite spacecraft expert named James Ober, quite think, we'd mention in a couple of other shows before he is. He is a Ufos sceptic, but he also believes that the EU is also sceptical was for, while about this causes, ninety six satellite because he said like the timing might not match up. But later he came up with. Possible explanation. You said that the cosmos, ninety six have been to re, enter the atmosphere and crashing Canada thirteen hours before so that what did it Larry? You know this morning will, after three in the morning he in our view, an army magazine where he says that maybe what in

the area that time instead was rocket booster and that the prove itself fell to earth and in an crashed and text Burg. But this This down really interesting thing. I want to give a shoutout too, because the in an american forces at this time, had sort of a handshake agreement with it if one or if you are satellite, falls in something russian sphere of influence notice. I don't just say Russia, if something calls in the U S, sphere of influence than we get it and we will give it back to you sure, however, that is may not have always been the case, but it would explain mass of secrecy, because the air force apparently had secret operation called Project Moon dust and their purpose was to get any foreign space probes that crash, so their purpose was kind of two

Secretly get get around this, this informal agreement out a point something out here. I cannon Imagine someone from you know, fairly middle of nowhere Catchword Pennsylvania, seeing a ship that has a bunch of cyrillic written on it might just associated with something that is not a. I did I hate to say, because it sounds like I'm saying: does somebody his were either not intelligent and or just didn't understand what russian looks like, but perhaps they didn't. Possible. I mean you know a lot of people- art, eating Cyrillic, as you know, as a percentage of our population even today in the United States. No, that's! Why being able to read and speak Russian is such an incredibly valley

was still early, worry foreign language, really a lot of allowed its true man. A lot of us here in the United States, polyglot, some me but I can imagine- or you know you could We say well what if Russia was getting real Soviet Union was getting tricky in an IRA glistened their satellites just for fun sure yeah it is, it is totally possible. The the other thing here is there is a possibility that it was a secret United States. Text that crashed around that so possible that could happen to day. Let's just go ahead and justice to pick other things. There are secret that the United It could have crashed to the ground somewhere, eggs, thirty, seven b,

an unmanned spacecraft did just goes out and space and hangs out four days months. But what does it do? You know that as such, it is such a great question nets matters, but my chops, a little bit because I went through a period where I would come up to your desk. Pretty much every day even though it was clear that neither of us knew what the Ex thirty seven b was doing. I waited the kind of harass both a city or mean it was fun. We was it trouble, shooting something that is impossible to solve, but what it? What does it? that's her didn't show, and hopefully there come out soon. I so today's absurd is brought to you by IP for businesses around the world. Today is an a restart. It's a rethink! That's why they're partnering with IBM retailers are keeping their says. Up as millions of orders move on mine

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out in a more and more sceptical cited in sight, which will will talk about the and either just says no, this text Burke Incident this was confusion nothing landed. There was a great lakes fireball at the same time due to the problems of perception that humans. On the ground. Looking in the sky, the people thought was closer than it was wasn't actually anything there. I don't know if I dont know how come how much. I believe that, because of some later statements, so, let's go to the modern day where we meet a sharp journalist New York City named Leslie, King Leslie, Keen than Ethel. I freedom of Information ACT request with NASA and she ended up in a lawsuit against NASA and this with this. I fight channels. Let us be clear about that. She had a shared, a big supporting,

He turned behind her that enabled this kind of David against Goliath thing. In December, two thousand five NASA said that they examined metallic fragments from this object and claims that it works. A russian satellite that really was russian satellite. The NASA spokesman said that by the way we lost the records of this year? We shall confine on yeah shocks, yeah we can't and if they, if they said. If this through they said they lost in the nineteen nineties in in there in their statements. They say that what the they can't track ufos, what they did was to take a look at whatever did fall and give their expert opinion their best guess right, but the lake

You know how much I bears out because, as part of this work on the site, if I show Leslie King had people check the orbital p, first of all known satellites and other records from the period and sixty five and the experts, yet I can said that it was absolutely impossible for any part of the cosmos. Ninety six Venus prove to have accounted for either the fireball or any object of cats, Burke, and these experts said A. Furthermore, there were no other man made satellites or other objects that reentered the atmosphere that day well. According to the official records, yeah and then speaking of records. They note people, did the same thing. You and I are here like how question, is it the NASA could lose records. I think you know. I think that it really is a russian satellite in the mid in middle of the Cold war,

Russian satellite fell to the United States right and now, where were decades decades away from this event, it strange that I meet me: ok Matt, I will say it may be. The records were honestly lost, but if they were purposely lost, if they were destroyed. Oh, what prevents NASA from saying? Yes, we destroyed them Like what women said from coming to light is their statute of limitations is something still impacts national security. Happens. What are the consequences of our man? We misplaced and documents? Are there any consequences? I can't imagine that there would be any because he owes clerical error and this happened yeah. That's it. That's a good one. They may well be that more information emerges about this and solidifies. What what you do know or what witnesses are saying, but now it's time for us to follow

on some of our earlier mentioned players. What happened to John Murphy? Well, apparently, he never spoke about whatever conversation that he had with the men ensue call them like he just never even talked about it to anybody that that we have of after the hearing of the heavily sensor documentary that he made you a few years after eight nineteen, sixty nine exact he went on to the occasion he went away. California, and unfortunate. When he was out there. He was killed in a hidden run accident and after his death, Life we mentioned earlier Bonnie Murphy said that her husband really did have photos of an object but that they were confiscated.

Photos she say something really did land as they please confiscated it and he was threatened with grave consequences. Grave enough, unbelievable enough, at least that he was silence on this for life very intense. I can imagine as someone with the family, that if. Someone threatened. Family, then you- and I would they very long and hard about my You know my moral high ground or my instincts to want to go after the truth, for something like this that scary to me, Well, it's it's a situation, the ghetto. If, if that kind of stuff occurs, when they stuff kind of occurs, No, it's a situation that is not unique. That really has happened in the past and not necessarily ill with one.

One particular country, or one particular government or administration. This stuff is happening today to journalists, across the world from myriad reasons. Dont report on corruption was event a swell you get an the there. There are different their different things being a journalist of it. A very risky and stressful lifestyle understand, but we do have some further Reading we have only been able to all I guess a little bit beneath the surface of correct, spurred and we want to hear from you do This is a meteorite. Do you think this is a foreign techno? and, if so, how foreign USSR, China Non Terrestrial so Let's go towards just to end on some some further

eating here, I'll I'll start with just the sceptical thing we mentioned that some of these skeptical sides had claimed this this event and kept her was confused with the great lakes fireball nets for recycled the bunker, dot com and they say, Export crash itself is sensationalism, may have some great source if you want to check this out, one of them cited. Ninety ninety six issue of sky and Telescope magazine aware a professor jus physics in geology, named J W whether Hill says the following. The fire ball was observed by many people in Ontario, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and to a lesser stand in the neighbouring states in newspaper account a great many supposed impact sites were reported both in South West Pennsylvania in Eastern Ohio, fragments workload. Who have fallen in Ohio and Michigan.

Imagined happenings arose from the impossibility of estimating the sense of an object in the sky almost everyone who saw the fireball thought it was much closer than it really was when it disappear behind a house or a tree People thought it had fallen, only a few hundred yards beyond and that's that's really important thing, because whether he is bringing up two concepts here. The first we know is true: it is credibly difficult, Mammy impossible with the naked eye to estimate the distance of an object in the sky. Secondly, however, some people thought it was much closer really was. Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, you see no were numerous possible crash sites from debris right not one textbook, but many who knows how many this this

Interesting, but of course we want to present that side of the argument and see what you think about it. If you want to some in depth, information on something that explores Tex Bird in more of a conspiratorial side story and goes into much more depth in the mainstream tv shows then do check out the work of Stan Gordon. If you, if you look at some tat stuff, you can find available online. We would love to hear your views. Tell us what you think happened on the earth, In December, ninth nineteen sixty five and inexpert Pennsylvania or what didn't happen? so find us on Twitter guys find on Facebook we're at conspiracy stuff on both of those of you, go to your website stuff? They don't want you to know that calm. We ve got Oliver Audio Podcast like this. They are hopefully or listening to this on their. If you are thank stewed or lady oh before we go been one more

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