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stuck. They don't want you to know a production of. I hope we, blue. Welcome back to the show my name's met my aim is more, they call me Ben. We are joined, as always with our super producer, Pole mission, control, deck and most important you or you you are here, and that makes this stuff. They don't want you to know. We what could be described as interesting times ripe, and if your hearing, this around the time we were accorded on July, twenty fourth, twenty twenty then you know the. U S and many other nations are currently dealing with a a reassessment of how The civilian community should be treated

the is how they should interact with those authorities, and there is no question that at least in the: U S, community These are specifically questioning much. They do or do not trust the police younger. Protests unquestionably, please huge role in this, but these attitude didn't just pop up. Suddenly the blue leading come from nowhere and they're, not euro array. Something by any means back in twenty. Sixteen, the Kate away the two, which is a libertarian think tank founded, seventy nine percent of Americans support outside investigations of police misconduct. Eighty nine percent support, the use of body cameras and it's not usual right to ask for that accountability, and it's not unusual for us as humans to distrust people in authority. After all, one of the defining characteristics of power. Is that it inherently vulnerable to abuse so hours.

Today takes place in this vast at times, contradictory, paradoxical: ecology of power, abuse, accountability and possibly cover ups. Today. Story is very strange when you may have like us heard about it momentarily of quick headline above Bonnet a chiron, your local new station and so on. But here's today's question Did the Milwaukee police just protect a child abuse ring? And, oh, I know it sounds: pretty cool and we get to the crazy part. But first here are the facts: surround five o clock on Sunday June, twenty first, twenty two Two young girls in Milwaukee Wisconsin go missing. Their last seen in between nine hundred nine hundred block of North street on their names are Kidgeri up and Gilbert Deanna Perkins, fifteen and thirteen respectively

and according to police, sergeant, Ephrem corny home amazing name, their reported missing about four hours later, but according to the official police Department response and records, the girls were not considered critically missing. Set them this important for everyone to to get their heads around I needed to. There are some pretty specific criteria that trigger an amber alert which is basically Damn that well push a notification to every. Cell phone in the area we'll be on billboards that are available and in all of us, the map believe you had. That list The thing is Amber alert is issued if it is believed that the child is in some kind of immediate danger or possible. Serious harm or even death. If this child is not located, if you go to the city of Milwaukee itself, they ve got a standard operating procedure, part of a handbook,

essentially or you know the protocols, or what to do and there's a missing persons and in their it describes a lot about children. And minors in particular, who missing, and you know what constitutes a missing person. The main take away from here, though, by way, as were think well the story in telling you about it. In this document. It has a note that says is no twenty four hour waiting period for department members to file a missing report on any missing person. Missing reports shall be accepted without delay. Yeah yeah, that's that's it! I'm a pretty busting. That myth is some it has been very good to fictional crime, shows the idea that one must wait: twenty four hours, because it's it's a hell of a plot device, but it's just not true, if you think so What is missing then report them, because in fact the opposite is true. The first twenty four hours of someone being reported, miss

are the most crucial hours of anything negation at least an investigation that you want. Result in someone being found safe and alive Lee give critical missing here has, according to Milwaukee US six, six points as you said the most important one is The idea that this person might be in physical danger They might be risk to themselves whether that means, but whether its as their suicidal or they have. You know DR issues or a mental or physical issue. I won Christine Point here is that two Milwaukee p D. Person missing is automatically considered critically missing if their age alive then or younger, and the two, Children who disappeared, tighter, Yonder Perkins, Gilbert Perkins were both

over eleven tight Rihanna is fifteen was fifteen at the time, and Gilbert was thirteen so as cold. It is it sounds. This is a procedural thing from the perspective of the police right, it just doesn't take the right boxes. Who become an amber alert ends should keep in mind that while these investigations are recurring, people are protesting in Milwaukee again, systemic racism against what they see. As the cow and illegal actions of authorities, including the Milwaukee p D. So we it's not as if this is occurring on a routine day. There already people out protesting- and this is where we get specific day bureau, if you, about this. In the news most of them marriage was focused on this day, Tuesday June twenty third, because

over the course of several hours. This missing persons investigation morphed into something unprecedented. You really did it has a lot to do with what we are describing earlier, which is, as you know, the criteria to report a missing person to get police involvement in this to be fair man. I mean that sort of its you're right? I mean to you'll, want to report every single call comes in and end blast as an amber alert that sort of diminish the value of that sit that safeguard right leg if they carve cried Wolf right sure I mean absolutely there are going- to be you know, two a number of missing persons reports that are generated of someone He was just you know, their phone died and they had to do something else. There is an emergency that they couldn't notify anyone about right or a minor willingly scorned somewhere right, but- and this is what

we'll get you really quickly for jumping exactly what happened on that same Milwaukee, PD document under critical, missing link the classification critical missing. There had been noted. The person if there seven years or younger their critical missing Another thing in here is that it states a person is considered critical missing. If there is quote reasonable, suspicion leave the disappearance of the missing persons is not voluntary and or the missing person is the victim of foul play. Now putting that in their saying that there is reasonable suspicion, means that the officer taking that report essentially, is that that person or their support your gets to make the call of whether or not this suspicion is reasonable. That's not me the mother reporting a missing person. It's not the! Why for them husband or the child. It's the officer maybe they're superior to good seed to plant net, because I think that

I think I see where you're going with this. There is subjectivity to some degree on the part of the officer or the person in authority filing that report. So this this is good. You come into play in a mass of way. Further in to our story. You probably saw this report about a crowd Gathering at the house might work thing, a Lotta news outlets did not report is how this crowd, some of whom were concerned neighbours, some of whom were searching for these kids themselves and some who were already out protesting right they find this house. It's an interesting for the mother of one of the missing girls was able to ping the kids cell phone and these cell phone was low. Hated in a true story, townhouse in Milwaukee the twenty one hundred block of north fortieth street.

Is for anyone familiar with the area just south of Washington Park. So this mother, along with sir, other people that she knew physically went in his property, and this was addition to calling police according to Eric. This was the first one where the accounts differ, according to her account, loophole He's apparently ignored these requests. These missing persons reports for about two, hours. So dear Point Matt, maybe they considered them not while they we know they did not consider them portable, critically endangered, they didn't say, think they qualify for an amber alert so around ten, a m at this place the police have on their side of the story they ve been investigating for two days. That's what they say ever since this was reported by a group of civilian starts to gather at this house where that cell phone paying

allegedly originated from, and let's just just add in like the matter. This is, this is a whole separate discussion in and of itself by the police are certainly going to be stretched a little thin with doing crowd, control it the direct, the other protests that are happening elsewhere in the city. At this point, there likely would have been some police presence just to make sure that things of control- and you know, there's certain in a case to be made that there was a lot of overstepping and a lot of like over reaction to that stuff in the necessarily didn't you to tie up the police force in that way. But that certainly could it for the ten our delay, in addition, it not meeting this amber alert criteria is a good point. Another point to make here is that pinging a cell phone is not always good, he's accurate, as you may hope it to be, because you are talking about triangulation in using various cellphone towers to try and figure out exactly where a cell phone?

is at any given time if you ever look at your location services on your phone, sometimes it's going to show you something when your backyard or maybe it your neighbor's house, just putting this out there as it's, not one hundred percent accurate so that's what this would have been? It would have been like a fine. My Iphone situation, like you know something that the mother could trigger from her device. Not really involving the phone company, I dont know actually how they were, what method they used to ping. The cell phone but no matter how they did it using probably Elsie You're some other kind of cellphone signal towers triangulate, though I am not saying that its absolute Inaccurate rate, but I'm just saying there is a degree of maybe that was the exact house shortly, another and these houses are also. If you look at pictures of neighbourhood, these houses are also pretty close together, so in its a day who populated areas, so it's possible that that's

hundred percent accurate back back to the events there. The group that has gathered right, they believe that these two children are being held inside this house, and this house will come find has a story all its own police are investigating in. The house there not letting the civilians in and accordingly, the police will get more into their storing a second according to the police, Some members of the crowd, the civilian crowd eyes became agile did and some people in the crowd through bricks at the officers. This resulted in more police being called to this, seeing by the middle of the afternoon that crowd that started with a intensely distressed mother, looking for a child, grown to number in the hundreds, and there were fifteen to twenty police officers forming. Human line, a chain outside

if the house to hold back the crowd they wanted in, because they believe that the Milwaukee p D had a long standing policy ignoring these reports of missing children, especially if the missing Children were not white, and so at this point in the civilian group, its assembling a starting to grow there, to take matters into their own hands and search the area, they feel like their not being heard their angry that the police took so long to respond in the first place, and so the crowd starts to kind of move towards the house. Some individuals actually break into that some folks are smashing our windows there's a vehicle part on the property start knocking on doors near by demanding to you too,

These girls are asking, if they're there and then just before six o clock five, forty five to be precise members of the crowd which, at this point is in oak, large and very angry I mean you have to remember. There is a lot to be angry about. There's protest going on about the death of George wait in the whole notion of not trust in the police very top of mind right now, so they actually set fire to a vehicle. I couch and then the house in question, then not only of a police presence there. You ve now introduced the fire department, local fire departments, which you know. It really does bring another element of sirens of large vehicles trying to get through crowds of you know firefighter trying to find a solution Source of water to actually start putting the fire out and just chaos, is what you that's, how you can describe it. Essentially, the police force there

attempting to control the crowd essentially to some extent right. We talked about how they were. They already had a fence, a human fence, essentially around this house and are trying to do crowd, control and then of massive fire. Just metaphorically sets the entire situation on fire right in this this weird way. There there's also reported by the way. Malta cocktails that were used in this, at least that's according to local reporting. I actually didn't that in any video, but maybe you guys did I I didn't see it. So we see that the discrepancies between the authorities, narrative and the near of all the people in this William crowd were live stream. Your facebook, inactive on social media. These discrepancies own The increase.

By the end of this, three people had been shot to fourteen year olds, one hundred and twenty four year old, other people, civilians and authorities of firefighters and police. Don't like. I had been injured this the shootings are also their own kind, a bag of terrible badgers. Please responded eventually by deploying what is misleadingly termed non lethal right now lethal measures, so that would be now would be your Whitman Sampler of protesters. Its things like tear gas, rubber bullets, pepper spray that was deployed on protein there are several were injured after been pm led by a guy, will meet later called Frank. Nitty. A small group in the crowd began a protest march away from the site they were followed by a caravan vehicles. I think it's important for us to say windows were mashed out of this vehicle that was parked on the property. It's a Van Brandt band with

people in their house got away, and there were things in that Van. That I ve been very important to the concerns of the crowd. We do have a bit, good news, though the two girls, the Perkins children, were found the next day on Wednesday police reported first that one child had been out. Then the both children were found, our with their families at the time Milwaukee DE stated. They had found no evidence that these children, wherever at the house there was set on fire. They did only found no evidence that the children were involved with any of the events that occurred during This investigation turned into a protest turned into unrest at that site. On Tuesday I did find one. One thing is You see, I was looking for the names of the people who live in this house, and this is wording to the neighbourhood. This is one

whose houses that everybody kind of talks about. I think we all grow up with a creepy house in some neighbourhood. And in this way- and it had been the subject of a lot of scrutiny by I was having trial. Finding who actually lived there. I eventually found some folks, one person, Joe Hall, I was a resident of the house, but she went there during the events or Tuesday June twenty third, she was at Saint Jos Hospital when the home was burning down because she was giving birth, that he's gotta be very tough day for her and has, as we can view, no hint the narratives. A real divide. Division between the narratives of Facebook live streamers and the folks that are assembled and the police, the official story, and we're gonna get more into those discrepancies. After a quick word from a sponsor, did you know,

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and why are these things trending, and why is this? The way things are yeahs will tell you what overrated. What's under aided we bus myths, we not just tell you about the culture, we tell you what our culture means about America psyche. We don't just tell you about the news. We tell you the historical context of the news where things are headed all well having hilarious, an intelligent guess. The world of comedy tune into the dailies like ice twice a day on the eye heart, radio, app apple pie cast or wherever pack ass are given away for free. Looking were back now for guinea here the police, their side of the story here and much of what we ve. We ve learned has come from police Chief Alfonzo morality of the Milwaukee Police Department he's given several public addresses. About this. The primary one came on to

Tuesday, that was immediately, following the events that we ve been talking about just now Ass being burned in everything that went down at that location, so here's what we ve got according to him, and the poor in general. They receive send to that twenty one hundred block of north fortieth street on Monday. So that's the day after day, the girls were reported, missing, he's got logs that show the police arm went there twice on Monday night, not to that particular house, but to that area they went once at a recording these logs. Ten, Seven p m, for quote trouble with a subject, call Then again, an hour later for a report of some threat. There was this terrible. Statement that you can watch right now on Youtube. If you want to look for yourself, he gave it on Tuesday. This one were referring to hear. He announced the police responded. More to multiple incidents and reports at that general

location in itself and several other place They are claiming both times that officers checked the location they found nothing. That would seem too indicate that the children were there right or wherever there. The police said that, while they were there, and this should be on Tuesday, if I'm not mistaken, guys that there was exchange of gunfire at and it was between somebody inside the house when they ended up getting burned and people who are attempting to get into the house in this statement. Chief, more Alice, characterizes the civilians, the we ve, been talking about we're outside the house as vigilantes very purposefully. So I think but it is also not wrong, but it also in turn me in his right again trying to control the narrative and steer that narrative exactly and

for he, you Know- just gave his prepared statement. He was then asked several questions by reporters, yeah? This is interesting, so this is something that I clicked. I've been following. This sense, since it occurred to see what shrieking out here. This part of the state of the I statement is fascinating because reporters are open, we asking their saying you euro, How do you respond to numerous Milwaukee residents, who think please don't care about reports of Miss children if their black, how you respond to leave, continuing allegations that these missing children cases do not get the attention they deserve and the police don't take them as seriously as they should. And then the same reporter follows up and says, and what about? What about the fact that

Their houses in this area been known in the past, is proven locations of sex trafficking or human trafficking. The reporters say this. This is me and the police chief die kind of dodge. Is the question and and morality respond, saying, look the These can only investigate what reported to us and then doubles down on vigilantes, so he doesn't ever actually answer that question and when he's pushed on it, the quest about trafficking in trafficking. In the past. He says that the department not have the necessary information to make a statement, but Another reporter confirms that the house has multiple calls to police over time and then in response morality as the same families live there since twenty seventeen

which is an answer, but it's an answer to an entirely different question as hissing calls from the house to the police, overtime or calls reporting. Courting the house's suspicious or something the police have call have received reports about the house multiple times. Some of those could have come from inside the house. Maybe you know it's aids in aggregate number, that this is my report, multiple times. More alleys confirms that some people were removed from the residents and refused The comments when asked about the age of the people who are removed- people, by the way, that's an interesting story. They were removed under yellow tarps, an end shovelled away into vehicles, a point other in any I think, you're gonna wanna keep those the identity, those people hidden because You are talking about a gathered group of,

Of people who are appear to be angry they have the have an idea of what they believe is going on there, and if it is not true, with evidence, then you did the people in that house could become the innocent- we just don't know if they are right. Mom and mentality could take in those people could be you know, harmed physically harmed even if they are guilty, the it would be on the police to protect them people until they get a trial right or until their indicted in some way for some wrong doing so pretty seeing them covering them. I left to me that doesn't feel odd. Yeah and even even Batman, gets around some types and that's the problem you take matters into your own hands and then maybe you're manipulated or maybe there's a number of things that can happen. But when you don't,

that due process Ed's pretty tricky if you'd rushed to judgment There are also a number of reasons that these people could have been removed from the residents and not all of those reasons are that they were detained for some sort of crime hero if I've gunfire did come from a member of the residents, then be. It was discharge of a firearm if multiple people are removed. Then maybe it's tiredly for their personal safety to your point, met about a powder keg, maintain we re in a crowd and that's not picking on this ground. Particular that's just what crowds were built to do they have that capacity hard wired? I do want to point out if I can finish decide that Batman. Is one of my least favoured examples of vigilance. His eyes. Really Our guy he's also multibillion air, and that's a superpower, if you think about it. That man has is above the law and he

He has a superpower is time travel money is just monies work overtime he didn't build that gave himself unrelated, but I have to say it. Sorry about what are you going to say that if a person by that homeless discharging a firearm because they were human beings attempting to breach the home, and that is that Since home depending on the laws, in a lot of places that completely ok, if you're, destroy a firearm within your own home to protect your own so that just something to keep in mind yelling castle doctrine is sometimes called, and now We see why there we see these discrepancies right writ large in apparent its. Completely understandable that these discrepancies would exist. While the police characterize this as an otherwise normal investigation pushed off the rails by an angry crowd of near what characterizes vigilantes,

people believe there's more to the story. Some in fact currently believe that the police were not just be negligent, but that they were actively covering up a trafficking rings. A conspiracy to kidnap, exploit and sell children. Here's where it gets raising how you guys, remember Frank, nitty we mentioned him earlier. He was in charge of the facebook lives that eventually amass around forty thousand active streamers, he's a community organizer, There are several folks are alive. Sure even his was the most popular and he kind of narrated. The whole thing and out came a did a play by play. He his beef, this whole situation was the perceived lack of care on the part of police in general in regards to missing children as well.

As his communities, belief that the children had gone missing in this house and he added a couple of other slightly disconcerting details. First, he says There was a quote guy in the van, the kind of classic you know their a mythical, be crime scene figure. This van was supposedly attacked, and then this this, those individual got away, has supported genetic. Second, he explains that part of why the crowd felt that this home in particular was sex trafficking hub was because at least one child was placed from the residents into a car. I says that he witnessed this and then ran away. He observance, in detail. The you're, not gonna, see in any of the other reports and in Vienna could couldn't help be because Nabon by adults, it could be that they were brushed over so frank knitting.

Is a community organizer and he was like several people in the crowd I've stream is events who is also trying to keep things from going out of hand right from turning into a full on riot, so he was acting as sort of diplomats an ambassador between the authorities and between this civilian crowd. He spoke with a sergeant pod small in ends. This was shortly before seven p, m and swollen toe told Maybe you're look you and these other members of this crowd. These other civilians are quote B. Use. Location of that. Still little unclear and knitting. Negotiated with the authorities, basically saying look, if you do the following things of you at least get this. He calls on a tank, but it's probably M rap. If you get the same rap out a here, then

can move the protest away. We want this to end peacefully. We dont want any more violence and were thrown brick. Sir Molotov cocktails word children getting shot, which again did happen. He walked away, saying that he felt as organ as they were, helping the general situation, but then he says is an interesting quote here from his life's dream. He says before we can now here there were nine kids missing after we came out here for kids were. Returned. He later amended it and said three kids. So so that seems like EAST in his mind, there's something deeper to the story than the two missing Perkins children in you. You write the big from here been is why to MRS kids, you know who we're being reported by the mother. Did the police were allegedly not looking into that. Of course, according to

they were. Why does it immediately go to these children? are victims of sex trafficking of some sort. You know it's it's one of those terrible things. That is a reality in a lot of places in the world where, as a possibility, at least where a child can be abducted and abused in that way, but why this time? Well, it's because the city where this took place nor walkie has a very deep and very dark problem with sex trafficking and will tell you bout it afterward from our sponsor back alive.

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Finish. The first season now find forgotten women afar as on the eye heart, radio, apple costs, or what have you got your pop and we're back correct manner. No walkie is unfortunately not unique in this problem. And you know it Atlanta, for instance, Washington DC cities accessing California, have their own ongoing battles with human trafficking and then with all also with child trafficking for sexual purposes. I found this local news station, W Tmj Tv and in January, twenty twenty, they report bid on a very, very disturbed trend

he's in Milwaukee have responded to more than seventy calls from twenty fifteen to twenty twenty four human trafficking and that's not the whole city. Those seventy calls are from five hotels. Sixty I've arrest related to human trafficking occurred round the Syria on a single stretch of road, again that's not the entire. That's one stretch of road on the they did a dedicated human trafficking task force, addressed for areas of concern. Public awareness, This provision, education in legislation, as far We can find this task force they were created, they made their final report in two thousand and twelve astute concern see realist. You will note that that final port in two thousand twelve occurs three years before horrifying stat about just how many?

african calls are happening in just one area of town, so it appears that there are clusters their hubs, and you know I I I think it's still a stretch to accuse me authorities oriented being complicit in this. My clear Their attempts to address it have at the very least you been a hundred percent. Effective is at a fair way to say it. Get absolutely is indeed to take an even a little further or maybe even backtracks. Lately you know that The situation here with the police force being stretched ban because of events going on elsewhere in the city really do feel leg. You know different enough that maybe that that led to the delay in response isn't feel like it was a will all delay to me. But I see what you're saying Matt, like you know, if the visits unknown sex trafficking area or with that problem in general, the maybe they would take the report more,

seriously without having to check those amber alert boxes- is that I think, with the with the discussion, here, oh as in like if the two girls went missing in June of this year. If the report was that they were in that area, they would have it would minting seriously. I'm wondering I am, I don't know, I'm just wondering light if the police were being derelict there had been a knowledge about sex trafficking being such a problem in the city and they didn't take. These call seriously enough. What would have maybe led them to take more seriously. I mean that, like how could they have done a better job in this situation? I guess what I'm asking? That's tough, because a court to the police? They did take it seriously and they responded immediately and began investigating, or at least according to them right now We know we know so Living in Atlanta

Cities and police departments across the United aids in the world really appear, at least according to the statistics and too personally periods to have issues with responding to missing black people to murdered black. All right in the same way that they would respond to someone who is not black, who is either missing or murdered in time the Atlanta child murders, as I'm your nominate referring to that as one of the young sagas that the the country and in people than it have gone through, their loved ones disappear, and then there doesn't seem to be much action taken and whether that whether that lack of action is perceived or real it really matter to the Indian who has a missing loved one right, yeah yeah. I think that's a good point and also of the journey a little bit further. Away from the official narrative. We

see some distressing claims the Milwaukee Independent, has some largely answer The anticipated claims have not seen there not true unseen. I couldn't find multiple sources confirming the day in day Substantiated claims that the entire set of stories I should say, has yet to be released to the point and they say there is also a hard evidence of trafficking occurring at this site. Just South a Washington park, specific quote, they say some papers, were recovered, including what was allegedly since the document, not been released, a schedule of what The girls were solicited out and the name someone who is connected to the operation they did laid. It lay then name this person who they say is they believe it the property owner of the residence. A disaster.

Recovery specialists, who had been again allegedly work in his spiritual leader for Chile. An ad local youth camps and then just to clarify the site. There were talking about here in reference to is this the home that was burned or, as is that area where the hotels were where, where we actually talking about that's you, that's. Why I'm say that's. Why said a set of stories cause with what we notice here is that there are three stories, a current nuts, what I would categorize this as the first story is the story of two missing children who are thankfully found alive. He said story is the story of a house that burn down it was believed. To be a hub of human trafficking by some people by civilians in Milwaukee and the third law your story in which those two earlier stories take place, is the truth

Jake Tale of human trafficking in Milwaukee overall best evidenced by? that terrifying report of the traffic conspiracy occurring in just one part of town unrelated, I would say possibly related. It depends on how far you think these kind of webs extends by again You know in Milwaukee Independent we have to want to emphasize. I did not find Additional evidence, the papers that they are talking about their alleging that police investigators, when they entered the house at that twenty one hundred block their say that the investigators found papers there and just haven't release them to the public, and then the house burn down so according to the latest words, we could find the the police did do suspect for people of arson. That's a big question probably a lot of our fellow listers- are wondering right who started the fire

I e we didn't start. The one of the four suspects in the arson has been arrested. Police were still looking for the rest. As of the end of June, They have changed but again have I happily ever after ending here at least partially. You know these. Two children were found, they were able to return to their families, but there's a bizarre part of the story. No one knows where they were for three days. Imagine you fifteen year old, less thirteen year old, just gone for three days, I have never been in charge of a teenager, thankfully, but I assume that abnormal anyone here to have children out there or maybe, if you're, even imagining having a child at some point in your life. It's hard to know what you would do to me

sure that child is safe, were to get them back, rethink their missing. You know I I won't Donna put you on the spot, nor by doing as the father of you know, she's, what they call a tween Matt but yeah No, it's true, I mean and honestly she does a lot of this cosplay stuff, and you know we allowed her to have her own instagram account and we ve had to be very explicit with Erika some of it is that kind of stuff. The weird RV dudes can get off on, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna mince words here and she understand that she super careful and it's a private account. You have to let you know, request access and she has to know who you are, and she knows that she, if she ever creeped on renewed was trying to be like a meet me or something like that. She's, like she's, smart. She knows what's up but yeah.

Have to be pretty vigilant about that kind of thing, but you also don't want to make your kids living in fear of being abducted or being exploited or something, but you have to have a healthy fear of that. You know that contingent, which absolutely in the world. So it's a fine line between living in some kind of constant state of anxiety and just being being smart think what to do. Biggest things. He urges imagining that if something did happen, you know to your child and there Is this house or this area somewhere near where you live? That has, at least according to us People who live in the community with you has been reported or attempted to have been reported for things like this. Like abducted children, and nothing seems to be happening to that house the people who were that house or in that area right

and then your child goes missing and what? What? What do you do? You know this this horse or is just really is disturbing. On a lot of levels, but I think the fact that as a community there was. There was an alarm or an attempt to turn to switch that alarm on right, hey something is wrong here. Something's going on here. We know we he had confirm a re now, but you're the police. Please check it out and make sure everything is ok, then it seems did not have happened. Yeah because again, as we established at the top of the show these sorts of, can Sir Sir allegations they don't come out of nowhere. You know what I mean there even even if these allegations end up not being correct, the near not works. Entirely of fantasy. It remains

we ve the panic, in Central America in Guatemala, specifically there was of there's a longstanding rumour may still be there foreigners going into the country to adopt children for the purpose of harvesting their organs, and it sounds Easy there. You know when you, here. The sentence that plainly just like it might sound crew, you, do some hearing. People in Milwaukee say the police rating, a child picking ring, but we have to number you know in the case of Guatemala. This was happening this This urban legend came about because there was a seat of truth, the idea of child abduction and trafficking, and so in no walkie There is an established problem with human trafficking, People are not making all of this up

for funds ease or something and its incredibly disrespectful. I would seeds unclean to do. Miss those claims out of hand with giving them due diligence. I know alarm is themselves and stuff, but if we're talking about people's lives. We always have to take it seriously in this. Where we get to social media, the gift in the curse right we shall media, tells a story that is far different from the official narrative of the Milwaukee p D in instead okey ways and again this all has to be qualified as speculation there there are not there, have happy your papers founder publicly acknowledged. This shows something as explicit as like. Schedule of solid adaptation and trafficking, and if you think about

that kind of weird thing to write down unless you wanted blackmail or extortion abilities later. But I doubt this was rushing compromise heard or something like that. The social media stuff You have the same reports you can see it on twitter can see it on face you'll see people claiming that neighbours in the area have been trying to report this house multiple times. They got no results from may be months or years before this event, and then it gets the idea, the question of fire. The fire actually happened. Why did it happen? You'll find people social media is saying that the fire was purposely said ablaze to hide evidence. By an angry column mob, but maybe by some, are working with the police work

this trafficking ring. I don't know what you guys think certainly would be counter productive of the mob to set the house on fire if, in fact, it was the site of these abuses. It would be very short sighted, at the very least of them to give in to that kind of anger and just go all out in that direction. If they really were concerned with justice and finding out the truth, because if you That house down you basically obliterate all possible evidence and the ability to act they bring anyone potentially involved in these crimes, to justice, ripe for sure You know losers. Talking you're, talking like a little bit but their photographs, you can C on Twitter, that's how we saw them their photographs of the Van or a van in the back of the house that was burned as much as the house itself was I do not know, I cannot confirm, maybe you guys can. I cannot if that Van is

on that we ve talked about a few times in throughout the story. It seems like it may have been, but I you know I can't give you a hundred percent prove. Yes, that's the one but it was burned an there was a bed in that van in it looks There may have been one even in the charred remains of it in there also, allegedly a pair of bloody shorts. I think there was located there at least according to some people. If you, you know, if you burn it than Hagen, had he yet dna evidence from that. The other thing I would point out here is that, just when you think about motivation of why the house would burned outside of it being purposefully to hide evidence in this? Is me kind of putting myself in the shoes of somebody else here, but if you, imagine that you know that this house,

for sure in your mind, is a hub of sex trafficking in the police. Don't seem to be doing anything about it. What can I do well burn, nothing to the ground right there. I can imagine the debts mine said at least that went into attempting to set the house on fire now, and this is. Possibly an example of what people do when feel powerless when we want to confront something that we otherwise feel incapable of confronting. One thing that is important: here is that the residents in Chad and belief adults and two children on the books is living there. Their residence is gone. The people, there s. No, no place to go, including Julie's, a hall, as we said, was giving birth, while

The house was burning. I've found a go fund me page, that was created by her sister in law. To raise money for for the family. So that they would have a place to sleep. They would be able to work way some of the many possessions that burn down in the fire I just want to I am saying this because I want to establish that there are people who are living there. Their lives go on. You know what I mean and if you look at this go fuck me That story. Of course it's not like the New York Times or pro public in terms are reporting or something, but it does and show any mention of crime or human trafficking. Age. Shows that that their house burned down and she lost everything you oughta mean, and if you look at the comments Then you don't see anybody saying that this is some kind of.

You're a money grab on behalf of a trafficking ring. I just, I think it's interesting, because it's another conflicting narrative here Venza. Thank you. We out. One thing I noticed on the post here under the description right of this, go for me that we are discussing here. It says, She was living upstairs with others right and there were others living downstairs and it says she nor anyone upstairs had anything to do with what was happening downstairs and were in contact with the proper people during everything and did everything they asked uncooked interesting, it does feel as though I don't know that's just speaking. What's being set on social media, the allegations about what's going on, or maybe they Heaven this this person, nor This family were maybe they do have

nation that we just don't know maybe they're being unfairly targeted by the Court of public opinion, which has no such thing as due process right No such thing is innocent until proven guilty, so allegation year again unsubstantiated is that the police were actively protecting traffickers. Does the worst case scenario and possibly taking account of the profits return, police options are real thing: bites police ruction tends to occur added individual or small group level. Often it's like factions of things. You know that's into each one person, going outside the law, and there may be other people complicit by not reporting that person right or supporting them in their criminal endeavour. The idea an entire department would be active, is, is the less likely

but I don't know I mean. What do you think is this? Is this? actual active cover upper conspiracy on the part of the police department. We found allegations and rumours about this. We found solid proof of no trafficking problem. That's all web of conspiracies, but we didn't hard evidence of police participation in trafficking. We found a lot of evidence that people in Milwaukee Feel police are not doing they can, or should with reports of missing children here also, you know we have to ask: where did this trafficking concern come from is something they grew in the sorceress of uncertainty during crowds pro just as it began, moving as a year it. It's a note. The the I just, I don't know it's tough to new. Any that stuff by Ben I'm going really quickly to what your tongue therewith

Visual police officers and corruption and new small groups of people were. Together in a corrupt way, when dealing with any kind of authority, grew bigger out. Say when there is a powerful person involved that is more powerful than a police officer or a lieutenant or achieve even involved in any kind of activity. I think there when corruption really comes into play in I'm, not I'm speaking, complete generalities here, but we ve seen in the past a couple episodes where, when somebody very, very powerful we're talking politicians, Vienna, religious leader or some who hold sway over a lot of other people, is involved in doing something illegal or nefarious or downright monstrous, as in human sex traffic,

with children the necessary amount of, cooperation with a police force on a wide scale. I think rises, isolating yeah and in Euro AIDS. It's true that in the past, the The allegations of this sort have been proved, you know what I mean. If, if this were true, it would not be the were, unfortunately not be the first case. It's just in this, entirely. My own perspective, I did not find I did not find stuff there. I thought was hard evidence of

Of trafficking- maybe that's because there's more than a story that hasn't been put out there, you know, in which point at which boy I would. I would propose that we pass the torch to our fellow conspiracy realists. What do you think? I do think this is a path, I'm part of a crowd. However, well intentioned do. Do you think that there is more to the story. Where are we? why are there are discrepancies between the official accounts and the accounts that we see from seville- ends or from people reacting to this online we want to know, and if you're from Milwaukee tell us tell us you can about what appears to be an ongoing struggle, with human trafficking and again not to pick on a walkie. This is very.

In this is, unfortunately, a common problem in a lot of cities and allowed a: U S, cities I mean pre pandemic. We can forget, it landed Roger had the world's busiest airport. It was a trafficking hub We're we're aware of that as well. Absolutely area eminence, This does seem like a perfect storm of anger, and resentment towards the police and miscommunication and the big problem with these lives dreams like, on the one hand, yes great, they can proliferate and raise awareness for an issue, but also with the internet. It's really easy for misinformation to move very quickly, just as quickly as good in for me, and oftentimes more quickly, because people like a juicy story and oftentimes that misinforming

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