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Hello welcome back to the show. My name is Matt's, my name is no one. They call me, then we are joined with our super producer. Paul mission control deck in. But most importantly, you are you you are here, and that makes this stuff. They don't want you to know. This episode is going to be an aunt on some. It's an update that we hoped, but never truly thought we would ever have the chance to do it. This is very much easier, a wonder what it to be alive, sort of shoe, you may work all long time, listeners that a while back does it matter? May twenty sixteen May twenty? Sixteen! We did an episode on what is known as the original stalker or the golden state, killer, in this episode. We looked at the current research and investigation into those at the time unsolved crimes,

various theories, the very This leads that were taken and later rejected by law enforcement and arm chair investigators on specialised crime forums on read it all over the internet, including some of the authors who Did their life's work to hunt down this killer Today, however, were telling a very different story. Today we are making it official after decades of deadens tat eyes and theories and frustrating leads justice may have. Finally caught up with the golden state killer. Before you listen to this episode. If you would like a deep dive into the crimes and past investigation of the crimes of the golden State, pillar or east area rapist, as they were also know, do check out episode from May twenty six tool will wait.

Oh man, that's a good one. Wasn't it kind of a bummer really yeah, but fact rule that preserving their massive lots of avenues to investigate but we get a happy ending here as well as what was with this amounts to around I've had a well yeah fresh fish it There is definitely a lighted the tunnel at the end of the tongue. I think that's a better turn of phrase. What's the we'll see will see, we hope we as a society, make it to the light quick background for everybody who just sack I led the way the three of us did in the studio while your fellow listens were checking out that episode from at least nineteen any forward in eighteen. Eighty six California was plagued by a serial breakin artist, a burglar, leader, a rapist and, finally, a murderer. Who is known by several different names and was believed to be several different people for a time the vidalia ransacked the diamond, not killer, old and state killer, the EAST area rapist and also the

original night stalker nowadays, more often referred to as the golden state killer. I believe yet, because the goals they killer encompasses all of these different crimes, freeze and eventually, in the course of their investigation, law enforcement and independent investigators began to connect the dots and they said we believe this is all the work of a single visual, so not copy caters, not a group operating in concert, although we do have a bit of a rabbit whole about that, but a single man, a man who might never be apprehended until that is on April twenty fifth, two thousand eighteen, when it worthies announced the arrest of a suspect named Joseph Gene the Angelou Junior, a seven.

Two year old, retired police officer, he was rested on eight council first degree, murder based on dna evidence and more than forty years since his criminal career began the original night. Stalker would. Finally, maybe be held accountable. This is the accumulation of countless of ours, of police work contribution. An analysis by thousands and thousands of people, several of whom were doubtlessly. Listening to this podcast today and in a very real sense, a lucky break. So so what and can we look back over some of these original crimes? I think we must heed. Here are the facts that maybe we start with the wassail your ransacked and we do have to say we are only at this point talking about documented crimes. As you seem previous, shows his unfortunate fact in the: U S:

many many many crimes do not get report it. Do you think that, because of what's come to light that that will fall at about more worthy. Think, that's unlikely! You ideally, ideally there wouldn't be more defined, but realistically there are probably some it's just a safe thing to guess. The question then becomes if we are talking about Pre nineteen, seventy stuff right What are the authorities at the time collecting dna does anything remain like Joe death, so it's it's tough but Also, if it turns out, we should say Daniel has not been convicted yet, but if it turns out that he is that, convicted me already from what we understand confessed to several things here. Just go on and start name me more names in instances, because he is frankly at the end of his life. One way or the other measures can often happen with these kinds of legacy crimes

yeah? Unfortunately, the wassail you ransack her was a master, burglar and Breakin guy believed to be responsible for more one hundred crimes again only the ones we know of the first ransom gain that was recorded was on Tuesday, eight March, nineteen nineteen. Seventy four and one thing that stood out to people is that he passed over a lot of high value items, lot of electronics, letter, keepsakes and stuff, and instead he stole about fifty bucks worth of coins from a piggy bank. That's that's what data clearly something else at work here then desire for monetary gain right right, because their thereupon, ops everywhere, yet have taken something in the pond it and made much more than fifty dollars. Is the key word here. Ransack re never raised about going through people's private things. Yes, just so he

tearing houses apart, knocking over Niger cotton stuff up going in the clause. Its throwing out things, but he would only actually steal a few small items. Trinkets cuff links, keepsakes, keepsakes and He would also probably the creepy as thing you would do as he would arrange items what appeared to be almost a ritual listing fact fashion. You know women's underwear, I he did steal weapons, he stole six weapons. He was prolific. He committed multiple break ins in the same area on the same day and set a record for that too yeah he broke into twelve different homes in a single day on Saturday November, thirtieth, nineteen, seventy four and at this point, other than the strange arrangement of items. It looks like a really creepy burglar right until that is on September. Eleventh. Nineteen, seven

five, a man who is strongly believe to be the ran soccer broke into the home of one Claude Snelling at five hundred and thirty, two Whitney Lane South South Whitney Street. If you're familiar with the neighborhood quad caught someone trying to kidnap his daughter in their carport and this still in the same person shot Claude twice and Claude, and the assailant fled. This became the first no murder linked to what we call the original night stalker, and this murder prompted him to leave town. So he's escalated already from ransacking to child snatching yet seem set. It seems like that was the courses is pretty safe to say that if the daughter had been successfully kidnapped. She would have it very least, been assaulted and then the murder, though, is a by product of being caught. Yes the murder was more than likely a moment of panic too

traps and son sentiment to erase a witness, but probably not the primary intense. But the story of this man is one of escalations. I just wanted to point that out and it's interesting that this this particular killing. I wonder if it's like what kind of gave him the taste or something like that cuz like I maybe I want to add this to my but why you have to wonder too, because we find often in cereal murders like in our previous episodes on uncut serial killers. We do see this escalation. You know someone starts with fires, Someone starts with mutilations right or running by slashing someone were choking somebody, and then it builds bills But the sailor was at this point still.

Lucid enough to realize the dangers if they chose to stay in Visalia. So in MID one thousand nine hundred and seventy six, he moved to Sacramento and that's where he progresses fully from burglary and murders, props on in ten the two sexual assault to around in June nineteen. Seventy six hour, Person here of interest moved to Sacramento, and this is when he's really progressing from burglary into sexual assault though you know you originally targeted these women who were alone, usually that's what what his victim would look like. They would be in their homes, sometimes they would be with their children and he would.

Later prefer couples somehow it switch from just ale alone victim that he could attack to perhaps like we were saying the escalating thrill and whatever he was getting out of this escalated to where he needed, have a part partnered couple to where there is a male and female, usually in practice. Some of that is tied in to his perception of the

unattainable nature of someone already in a relationship rap. Some of it is, is a power move on his, and his partner tells witness helpless, spooky and disturbing stuff. He is standard procedure smacked of prior training. These weren't these may have been crimes of passion when he got there, but he did a lot of homework. He did extensive research. She would typically break in through a window and awaken Timon with a flashlight and a gun, so they can't clearly see him as well and then buying the victim's blindfold, the gag them with towels from their own house.

And he would typically force the female victim to tie up her male companion before he tied the female victim up himself, and he operated that way for from for about a year June, to seventy six to me, seventy seven and he had a three month gap and he returned in Sacramento and other counties. He had another three month gap and then it was awful bleeding and other counties until nineteen, seventy nine and from what the timeline shows from June eighteen. Seventy six to July fifth Seventy nine he committed overall fifty one crimes as the east area rapist as the original night stalker, he committed seven known crimes with multiple homicides marks, has moved from break ins to rape, to murder, so stay tuned after a brief break for our sponsor. We will return and give you a grim introduced,

and the man known as Joseph James, the Angelo Junior, here's, the thing: saving money with Geico was almost better than playing pick up basketball because there's always that guy who joins your game he never passes the rock. He can. Currently, bricks theories and who completely you and then put his hands up and say no foul. No foul with Geico it's easy switch and save on car insurance. No, The vacant ankle sprang because you're absolutely exhausted, so we can save with Geiger it's almost better than sports. Here's the thing Saving money with Geico was almost better than playing pick up basketball because there's always that guy who joins your game. He never passes the rock. He can currently bricks theories and who completely you and then put his hands up and say no foul, no foul with Geico. It's easy. Switch and save on car insurance, known

the vacant, ankle sprain, because you're absolutely exhausted. So we can save with Geiger it's almost better than sports So there are lots of very timelines and have come out so far of a lot of them pretty brief. But we stumbled upon one on red it that I've been found and we're just gonna gonna go over this and hit some of the high points and low points in this man's life yeah. You can find you can find this on the east area rapist original night stalker a submit it posted by a user named sacred.

Geometry- and I know it might sound- maybe a little cursory for the three of us to be citing this sort of source, but this person has done their homework extensively and we found quite a quite a thorough, robust timeline here that follows from the birth of the Angelo to the arrest you, born November, eight nineteen, forty five in Bath New York, yeah and just to jump on their with what then was saying I'll blinked up some of these dates, just as a fact checking his eyes and the Sacramento O has much of the same exact stuff on it so and shattered the Sacramento, be they ve been really leading the charge on reporting here. So he's bore nineteen forty I've been in nineteen sixty four, he joins the Navy, he enlists there. Then he goes into naval training

that same year in San Diego, and this is where he would have as part of his training learned a lot of knots that the average person would not would either not be aware of or would not be able to do on command, specifically like that diamond, not specifically like that diamond not met he's elegance sheepshanks as some kind of specialised sailing. Not Ellie was found. It several of the crime scene Glenn you that that is it is it. Is it particularly tricky one not tricky, this? You, wouldn't you wouldn't think, to make a not allow a gap super interesting to you and you ve known with such a law, time line of crime, and now we have a person associate with it, this time line that were looking at has photographs of him throughout his life, which is really interesting, just a visually traces in a kind of progression and think about what he was doing the time. Those vote

were taken, so he did in fact serve in the Vietnam war. In August of nineteen sixty eight. He goes to Sierra Colleges and Rockland. California and fascinating lay got an associate degree in police science that meant that could come and Andy yet he also attends later at the year after he graduates with associate degree employees, science used CS you in Sacramento aware he spends year earning a bachelors in criminal justice and the same year, he gets out of their nineteen. Seventy two he is: he spends the next approximate year. Sometime during one thousand nine hundred and seventy two and one thousand nine hundred and seventy three. He completes an internship in the Roseville patrol this. This is interesting because at the time, if we look at the context,

many police officers, law enforcement professionals did not have college education or higher education. To this degree, not mention internship. So it somewhat strange that will see this as a career continues. It somewhat strange that he goes to smaller police forces, you know he could have may be renewed ticket to LOS Angeles or Chicago but for some reason he stayed in these. In these smaller areas. The same year wherein we believe he completes internship. He joined the Exeter Police Department on their burglary task force in May of nineteen. Seventy three may of nineteen. Seventy three is also win. Experts believe the Vassili, ransack or crimes began winds of crazy have a burglary

primes, hey I'm on a burglary task force in such a troop in fiction right, the I'll always that movie about the crime scene photographer night crawlers who starts perpetrating crimes. Does Now now really kind of he does. That's really does this very true he first it starts off that he's he's looking for the biggest groups and then, in order to get them, he kind of starts behaving in a monstrous way. If he has It's so or like Dexter, for example, naturally, like a good show exactly, but you know, blood experts who was also assume or would Jude LAW from road to perdition. Be an example. I dare. While I don't remember in a minute, he was still, I feel like we may be on the verge of a spoiler alert. It's ok

We did we say it. Ok, that's, ok, I'll write, still don't get Tom Hanks angry at us for spoiling is this road to perdition. Spoiler coming in three two one Jude Laws character is: if it Haug refer who is also killing people to get the best photographs of crossings yet, but this the end to solid Phil. If you haven't oh here is coming back to me. I haven't seen as it was in the theatres, but now I'm having flashes of it. It was quite good one thing: when I hear nineteen seventy Joseph was engaged and then he got married in nineteen. Seventy three as well, if we're imagining so he's gotta his professional life than he's also got his personal life. This going on so he's engaged in three years later. He gets married at this on in the same year that the Vassili ransacked is right. He doesn't married a woman who was originally engaged to know a marry someone different correct

and in seventy five, as we said, Claude Snowing is murdered during the EC tempted kidnapping us there's an attempted murder of an officer Mc Gowan in December of the same year when the police got close to operate ending the ransacked, and then this is when not When does the ransack or disappear from azalea? By someone in Sacramento begins committing the east area, rapist crimes, forty Angelos part, he has relocated to the Auburn. Department zoo again these relocate. In the timing, wise begin to match up and then in nineteen seventy nine he gets caught in his shop, but not for any these major crimes he gets caught shoplifting is a hammer. And what was the other thing what it was. Not tape, but yeah yeah chopped got caught sharply

small items? Yes specifically anew. Hammer was one of the major thing was the kind of items that you may be wouldn't want a record of you having purchased. I don't know, it's definitely seemed a bit strange specifically with that hammer, but, police department finds out because he is actually found guilty of shoplifting and then he gets fired when the Auburn Police Department in August of seventy nine and many people will tell you that there was a slight pausing crime at that time. That's not entirely true, because in toper of seventy nine. We know that there was an attack that went wrong on the on the e side on what would be classified as the original night stalker crimes and try to break in and Assault murder a couple, but he botched it then, as the regional night stalker, there is on the move, of Robert offer men and Deborah Manning in December of nature.

Seventy nine the next month there's a pause march of nineteen. Eighty Lyman and Charlene Smith murdered in August. Teeth in between Harrington or murdered during this time. The Angelo eyes a home in a neighborhood called citrus Heights February? Name maybe one women and men. Well, I witnessed murdered and then the job market, his personal life, his first try is born in September nineteen. Eighty one another huge change in his life, and you see that there is a bit of a break, a big gap here that happens after September nineteen. Eighty one right, five year gap in May of sue. The murder before the child was she

Mary Domingo and Greg Sanchez in July, one thousand nine hundred and eighty one mad, as you said September, one thousand nine hundred and eighty one D'Angelo as his first child and in LOS Angeles, but he wasn't living there was his child was born in Sacramento and then, as you said, radio silence for five years old. As far as we know and may one thousand nine hundred and eighty six another murder is associated with the original night stalker that is Janelle Cruz in that same year in November he has his second child in LOS Angeles, but did he lived for an extended amount of time like he was sticking to the smaller areas. Will we know the murders are least the document ones appear to have stopped at that time. Interesting and as as as we look here, continues on for a while to have a relatively normal life, despite what some of us might sue about about killers?

and despite how we would assume having a criminal record for shoplifting, would screw up your job prospects. He he seems to have continued. He said Looking at the same place until retirement that save Mart, which was ass? He was like a loader, something in the end up in distribution. Centre or he deftly worded the distribution Centre Aramis. After working that many years he probably moved up the ladder, but we don't have that information. Yet from August one thousand nine hundred and eighty nine he was working at that distribution center or knoll mentioned in Roseville. California, any work there until what twenty seventeen last year in its retirement age. So if he was settled in and everything seemed to indicate that this guy would retire in relative obscurity, he was living with one of his daughters at the time and her husband.

So that would put him today ad in the neighbourhood of seventy two years of age and that would put the assuming there's a big Someone is probably incorrect. Assuming that all the crimes that occurred are crimes. We know about the now put him at a murder rate of twelve to thirteen people, forty five to fifty sexual assaults more easily more than a hundred and twenty homes broken into enough. Of course. If he actually did all of these crimes and that that's a very good point to make, if of course, he actually did all of these crimes are being charged for several murders right now, as were

holding this, but it's not all of them or, what's that based on guys what what? What do? We actually know Lancer? What might be the most important question in today's episode after a word from our sponsors? Here's where it gets crazy. This man, Angela, was associated with these crimes, not through HU, a bunch of people digging through microfiche or hunting down old, leads alone, know this man was apprehended due to a lead they derived from DNA, a dna database, so One of the first question is: how did they find this dna is clear. Like the nineteen seventeen, for instance, they wouldn't have had the sophists. Creation in terms of technical.

G to investigate this. You define a loose leaf, no book or something, but you wouldn't automatically be able to pull that info off. I totally when I first saw this case story. I asked that they had a sample of his dna? It ended up in one of these databases, but that's not quite how it went down. Is him? No not quite it turns out that they took crime scene dna which they had had from the time of the crimes and ran it through. Various databases, world the sudden, Ding ding. It showed a match too. What would turn out to be one idea: Angelos distant relatives as someone who was rather DNA in a public database. So let's, let's look at that arise So it is an until March of this year, as we record this march, twenty eighteen, that he is identified as a suspect in these. In this decade, old crimes via a public data

he's an would strange about, it happened in two thousand and eighteen for a lot of people as the idea that woe info These were to hold on to this information for decades. Not do anything in nineteen. Eighty six dna was just Emerging as a criminal investigative tool and according to the experts, the Angelo as a former police officer would have probably according to them. Have known that this thing was on the way or there was a possibility, at least so when they, when they started. Looking for this a lot of this stuff, read about says that the they found a match. That was a distant relative. But what does that mean it means a day they took what they did have as far as dna. Evidence from this killer and they threw it into one of these databases called JD match dot com and they found a fourth cousin

the angel now they have no idea this point who d Angelo? Is they just know that this dna matched matches this person, at least in some way, and this person had used? This g d Match sought LE programme already at this the service, and then they start looking through this persons family tree this fourth cousin and they start trying to match up people's backgrounds from that family tree. And does anybody match up? Do they live in Vassili around this time? Do they live in Sacramento around this time and they start picking out a few people will look at and they eventually come upon. Mr De Angelo. And it's a really strange process. How that I just happen to work member on the the beers rig. It's crazy about her. We talked about this whole thing and there was a story about this very same process that led them to like a fault positive that can happen to because they ve they gotta hit, but the guy didn't

at the criteria for the crime, they were trying to dissolve, so they looked at like his son something like that and it matched a little more, and so they went with that and that it ended up lobbying or in this case the investigation is fascinating, because they ve got this match with the fourth cousin than they actually start looking in the sky, and they start staking out his house for six or seven days yet exactly and there looking at his trash, let me there, They don't state specifically how they got the dna samples, but they do say was probably from a container that he had drunk and had taken a drink out of right. And they would watch him come in and out of his house and then you know, then they took their. Dna sample and they tested it with the other dna that they had from the previous case, and they went oh boy, guess what somehow We got a guy with him here and the match was not something that was contested. We can't be more clear about

it wasn't. It wasn't like. Oh look pretty good indicator once we know this this with some they have been under investigation awhile for for some time, a criminologist and Contra Caustic county way back in two thousand and one had link two sets of cases to the same individual thanks to dna evidence. They just didn't know who at once I was the easterly rapists and the original night Stockard loses yet and two to the point that they you made. No, when they get the dna, it led them to a number of people right and they had to separate timeline. So they had to spend this time surveillance this guy and going through his trash most likely, although they they don't, say it that way, because I don't think they want that image of law enforcement to bees,

They want to be presented as people digging through your trash now, but I will buy your well after the there there is beyond ninety eight percent likelihood beyond ninety nine percent likelihood that they have the right guy. This is the. U S so technically is innocent until proven guilty digging through trash, just good police work. My guys, I would agree, I would agree in this. This is where story stands. As the story emerges. We're going to hear new up dates. Will we can go call it were inevitably gonna here. I think the conviction of this criminal on a side note, the neighbors said this things that you would hear about serial killers in works of fiction, they said he was kind of a recluse. We didn't think he was a killer or monster

They did say he was pruned violent public outbursts. Did you catch that? But but somehow you maintained it in kept them under control, for you Years and years and years after his children were born, except for one case right after his first daughter again, that is, unless stuff emerges likely event.

Earlier unless it comes out that he is implicated in other stuff? I would be at this point be surprised as if there were dna leavings from other crimes. They would have also pinged on those database is right, because those databases work together, pretty well ends. This leads into the larger implication, which is a big question for us today. What what does this mean for not just the link the dna of criminals in these human monsters like serial killers, but what does this mean for you right now? Listening your dna. We talked little bit about this with an excellent post in our community page. Like you mention. Oh here's rig it's crazy, I in sometimes

The three of us are usually on the same page about a lot of things and we would get along famously, but we might have some differing opinions about dna testing like a number of people- and this is just personally- I have held off on some dna testing due to privacy concerns Dasso good call, and that seems to be a sentiment shared by many yeah in no you. It earlier mentioned that you had experience with dna testing for an hour earlier, show stuff what I did- and I kind of just threw myself into a like a big dummy thinking. This be Q, immense free, so why not the regretting it a little bit after digging into some of this stuff a little bit more, not that I have anything to hide her, that I'm worried about the government making a clone army based on my prestige, dna. I would do it if I good buddy, that's really swim. But but here's the deal nor the what

We found with this case is that it doesn't even matter if you have or have not submitted your DNA Alex That's it that's why I said earlier when I first read the details of this. Only oh, I guess he did one. And then they they got access to somehow now it was somewhere way down the line. You can't control We haven't even met our fifth cousins ban and I didn't episode about lineage in other, show ridiculous history and the idea of knowing personally, a fifth cousin was sort of absurd released for free. As for our area, s remit between between us Ben said you were aware of some fifth cousins right. You certainly aren't em you now taken in a movie of a weekend yeah I come from a strange place, but but yet met, you make an excellent point that in other cultures and place around the world, it's quite common to know extended family or even live with them more we are all in the same town in the same region. Not a lot of people

here in the: U S are that close, and there are these implications that you mentioned. It's not somebody. It's who going to be a case of someone signing up directly. We need that the military, mentioned earlier we'll take dna samples? Now, if you are involved, the law enforcement on the wrong side near if you get caught, then DNA will go into a system, but the implications are the even if you say it like. Let's say, map maze you as an example. No ok, let's say that Paul. Doesn't it has never never been to jail. Disease is a paragon of of upstanding young gentlemen. And let's see was also never in the military or something like that, and let's see he also additionally

never signed up for something like twenty three me or ancestry, dot com, or anything like that. If, however, one of Paul's relatives sign up for this thing or if one of his relics, joins the right kind of organization or, if God forbid, again trouble with the law, then they will end up in the system, which means, by extension, He has ended up in a system whether or not he agreed to be there and, in this case, will be probably met. A data on Paul It wouldn't actually have his dna or anything right. I mean that's how this whole thing would work. It's just. You're in the system. Now because you are related in some way Rights YAP ends. We talk a little bit about how this data is supposed to be made anonymous. I camper kill me up and out there we go hold one yes and annuity and annuity.

My enemies and intimidate, and enmity and immunity means many things to me. If we're just going to finish the parts, but the the strange thing here is that we, you know we can't help but think of the comparison to big data and Facebook or the so called for frictionless sharing right. We have friends who have never been on Facebook and never want to be for various reasons of their own, but because they know us because if you have friends like this, they know you, Facebook has his shadow profile on them and again for anyone who heard our Cambridge analytic episode. Facebook doesn't is to call them. Shadow profiles sounds spooky but literally everybody else, except for Facebook, calls them shadow profoundly with thick with their internal nominally.

As for it, I don't know. Maybe a comic headstart profiles. Fun pages fund take his party profiles so right now, there's no escaping that. This stuff has made life now, ass, if the matter or at the very least provided some sense of closure for people who were survivors of victims of these horrific atrocities, but that doesn't mean that we should forget the implications, at least that's what a lot of critics are saying about this stuff, a one. You give that that away you yourself have little to legal, real legal protection. Regarding what happens to that formation and you have no control over where it all

Emily ends up, we found a. We found an interesting take on this from the parallax, which does a pretty solid job of painting the backgrounds here of the of the current industry where it seem set to go near there. A lot of people the ball positives. Yes, better here in this industry, so it says the consumer dna market, is poised to become the ten bill in dollar business by twenty twenty two dozens of companies, home dna kits some like ancestry, Carmen The tree dna allow you to divine your ethnic background and connect you with diff distant relatives, other like twenty three in me, can also identify genes linked to ten diseases, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's. Silly acts minded. Do any of that stuff see twenty three me as per to cool. In that regard- and I mean it's pretty great- you the ads for these services. They talk about how millions of

There are already using them. Why don't you join in and, let's find out, say: Armeniac is like it, but what they don't tell you is that unlocking your genetic code could also get you in to trouble legal trouble. Specifically, you can also prevent you from getting life insurance. If find something in your dna that you didn't know was there before. Your insurance company is all over, humanity. Elusively like lie on your insurance papers and say you don't smoke, and then they like ransack your facebook page and find a picture of you smoking. Ok, that's in good. Fun may now be they'd. They they gave good chase whatever. This is like you know yeah. This is it he hears the worse one for you. What, if you let's say, do twenty three in me, then you find out await that's not my dad who All that would be pretty messed up right for you, my dead man, I'm just saying, will you'll find out one day soon, son, not

and filled. It really does is a genuine thing that I am assuming has happened. I haven't seen it reported, has surely like you, you, you understand the risk of finding out something that maybe I don't know, maybe that's if they needed pops up as a notification evolve as an everyday sense like a very avuncular guy to come in and break the news to you. While you efficient or something what these things you have we thoroughly really like we're gonna radical here with getting into the tori of targeted adds what have you getting as targeted out you because of your dna information right yeah, that's a great question. I mean it is completely: it used to be possible we're about two years from it, be employed and its spooky escalation like in the same way that person got an ad for a baby products. Before no, no, the father, I think the house

told you received and add four in the mail for expectant mothers and that's how they found out that their daughter was pregnant, target literally knew before they do together called target. No kid man and now, whenever I don't know about you, I don't want to ruin this. For anybody who saw receives those circulars and those are the slightly better call de than straight up newspaper on books, the right he has messed up when I get out late when I receive those now ever since we we did that episode and looked into that stuff. I always get a little freaked out and I was try to treat it like a magic, eight ball or some tea leaves for the believers in prognostication. You know. I always always wonder like what why what do they know about me? That made them think I need it. Dec This planet is kind of wish. They would deliver my mail directly into the trash

nay. I save me us at a trip. I use it for our projects. It's cool. You're very enterprising and earth friendly individual keep is another way to put it up at the efficient but thrifty, brave, clean irreverent. If we get that right in theirs theirs, real world example of this stuff happens at least the life insurance stuff happening in two thousand. Sixteen a writer name Christina far, writing for fast company gave us the story of when I dunno fight is Jennifer Marie, not the real name to protect their privacy, although the horse may have already left the barn there at the time she was thirty six gainfully employed and had no current medical issues, but on September, fifteenth of twenty fifteen, her application for life and

Europe's was denied and here's the quota used. Unfortunately, after carefully reviewing your application, we regret that we are unable to provide you with the coverage because of your positive, be our sea. One gene. The letter reads in the: U S for background far writes about One in four hundred women have a bee RCA one or two gene and associated with an increased risk of breast or varying cancer. While so she was denied that because she had done with these tests, because the insurance company had access to that genetic information. So now does at all, if I, as aid as a pre, existing condition

Does Europe is something where we would have to say from the life insurance company? And here, of course, there's? U s this privatized insurance from the life insurance companies perspective? Is it a matter of in the long run, protecting the rest of their customers? So they don't go under you mean right. Is that part of it? How do they? How do they address that? How do they process that stop being private companies selling health insurance Alba, they fix a lot of people would make that argument, but there is, there is hope and form of the genetic nondiscrimination ACT which we mentioned I think previously as well, and also known as Gina. It is meant to prohibit

where's and health insurers from using your genetic info against you? However, it is full of loopholes and Congress is gonna, swiss cheese, it a little bit more, and this goes back that question we asked before we received a fan ass dick comments regarding the the idea of how to prioritize technological progress, progress and potential gains ripe, risking ruining the lives and the livelihoods of a few people. Certainly, maybe more than we think is that worth the potential of saving may be hundreds of thousands or even millions of lives down the line meanness. This becomes very deep dilemma very quickly. I know not what what are you guys think we talked about a little bit about this earlier.

If we see the side and mention this in the other up, so the word recorded just I do see this as being a great thing, potentially in the long run, specifically fixing a lot of these genetic disorders just by having enough data, because that's one of the biggest problems is not being able to track dna overtime and looking at how these specific sequences actually change a human beings development. I think it and it could be exactly what we need, but is it for everybody, though, like as it is it? Is it going to mean the wealthy are going to be prioritized and be able to? You know, extend their lives and the lives of their offspring by having access to this because of their wealth? Certainly, yes, that's what will happen until there is some big change in inheres the here's. The other thing happens when, let's just say,. The wrong group of people ends up getting in power,

somehow and they're all of these databases that can be found and someone empower wants to, let's say get rid of certain types of dna in the culture right, mass eugenics. Or something you ve got literally all of the data that you would ever need for that. If you know it's compulsion in every one eventually one day signs up for something like this because you can have to and instead of present your papers, the way it was very world wars, it spit into this tube and stand here. Net weight I mean that's it that's a terrifying thing. We don't like to think it's it's far, it's far off right or that it's not actually going to happen. Servant nimby processing, not not my backyard, but at this point know again. If you haven't ridden into us about this, we we want to hear from you. Where do you fall on the the line and we want

to end today's episode with first off a clear admission again, Joseph James, the Angelo has not been convicted, he is, he is talking from what we understand and he is confessing, but that doesn't he has had the court time yet, although It's it's pretty much a clear cut. Do you know anything about his mental state? Apparently, aside from the violent outburst, he does pure lucid interesting when it is which is interesting, and you know right now, given the time that's elapse, if there are other crimes or murders, he is literally best chance of finding them and in every day were finding new things. I would follow the Sacramento be online. If you can t have the time to do in your interested. In this case, there are all kinds of new we'll stories about maybe at an accomplice during some

these crimes, maybe it was a break up that sent him on that first raping Speranza. Full engagement, yeah there's all there are all kinds of interesting things coming out in. I just have to say, like we said before, The Sacramento be is the place that I'm fighting them these soonest and we have one other thing here. I not not occur collusion, there's, not really a conclusion to this story and not not a shoutout corner. Though we will be returning that segment soon. We have something that, we're talking about this off affair. We're all texting each other's route as we were working on this and no, you pointed out to us another recent development involving dna, wars and the Sacramento be they I believe, were first on the scene to report that police the lay ho have obtained.

DNA supposedly linked to these Zodiac Killer and that its being processed in a lab, and we could see results any day now. This was, in May. The second, in there probably gonna, do a lot of the same things here or least potentially doing the same things. Finding that match linking that up and then confirmed their familial searches would look into that trash again. Maybe we'll knavish got going through belongings, the ear there's not really a different way to phrase

but today this in our episode from our update on the golden state Killer, a k, the diamond, not killer a k, the original night stalker a k, a the east area, rapists and the sailor ransack her. Oh, we would like to hear from you what what do you think will be the results of this? What do you think of a world wherein, for the greater good everyone's dna is considered? Part of this large database would do you think the benefits outweigh the day it is. I mean in this case it seems very clear, cut that they do. I propose that its very similar to requiring here we controversy, maybe to register your car. Your car has to be in a database because it could either allow you to escape from a criminal

actor or you could even use it as a weapon is a very powerful thing and you can have a car unless you register can do all those things with your with the human body, so you're, not that logic I mean I'm not saying that I am a silly sport there, but I could see law enforcement. Surely this is something that would be very helpful in important to solving crimes by at the risk of of what privacy and now it's my dna and also the requirement to have a licence to operate a car. Would you with that led into having a licence to reproduce I mean in I'll double down right on controversy. Here there are inevitably some saw you listening, are going to see the the potential parallel thread between registering a car, registering DNA registering a firearm. If we're gonna go culture

social right yeah. I don't. I don't know I mean that's really interesting argument. No, because you can't haven't unregistered car near but you're right, though, when you start going Lena, taking that in taking it to well, what? If, then you knew you need a licence to reproduce or then we start entering. We see when we start putting our physical forms in the EU into the equation in treating them as though we as though it were a motor vehicle or a gun, or something like that. That really opens up a lotta. Let a worm, it is interesting what about your bags matters, I am it so weird. I would have been so against this, like thousand percent against all of and for some reason somehow as I'm getting older. Oh gosh, you guys

well get everyone or dna scanned and put it on and tat too, and then their arms in their registered, and if anyone does a no, no, we will find you. I know. No, yes, every known Odin and we get your. I love. This voice sounds like he's. I d get loose centuries. Also leading cottage cheese and lecture cod is she's is one of the finest food or you can he recommended early in the morning and late in the afternoon, and also early at night, are you I mean I have to say thank you so much for giving us a note of levity, gracing ass grazing goodness, gracious. That was saying. I can't stop smiling at that oh man, man, that's what happens. Do you get old? You start to decide. You want to give up all your civil liberties release the young whipper snapper right vagary, with with with those realizations also your voice changes and new start to sound like a very

the old man. He adds mostly than the testicular droop, I think, is what causes that I keep trying trillion arise out of Paul mission Control, deck and in his ears, even know, if not gonna, sing from the angle that I'm saying it here, he's gotta smirk quite bit of it, a smile, hurry heads, always want to thank you for tuning, and you are the most important part of the show, and we would like to hear from you tell us what you have about DNA collection in all of this stuff. Do you think they got the right person? Do you think, there's someone I thought there. Why? Wouldn't what else do you think about the east airy rapist? Have you ever lived in any of those places? How did these crimes affect you growing up? Just anything you want. Talk about. Is there another serial killer, that you think we need to jump and jump into a little bit deeper or maybe information, while the Zodiac Killer, as that may potentially be an episode coming up with all the the

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