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From you at those two psychic powers and government conspiracies history, is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the stuff. They don't want you to know welcome back to the show my name is met. My name is they call me Ben joined with our super producer. Paul mission Control deck jacket. Most importantly, you or do you are here, and that makes this stuff they don't want. You to. No. Before we get started, we A very important message regarding today's episode too episode discusses very frankly some horrific sexual crimes against under aged victims, and it's quite curbing, but I think it's an important discussion to have and we try

as always to be as respectful and thoughtful about it as possible, let's Let's cut straight to the heart of the matter Earlier episode, we mentioned the ongoing legal battles of one Jeffrey Epstein, day. We are diving into a sordid tale that will take us from the Push any area of palm Beach, Island Florida to New York to New Mexico to Paris, to a private island in the virgin islands. Andy particularly strange series of private plain flights, but first things: first, who is Jeffrey Steam, o the man of the hour Jeffrey steam was born in nineteen fifty three on Coney Island. He went to for your high school? He also attended Cooper Union. He dropped out of Cooper union by the way he also to New York, universities, current institute,

She also left without a degree. Surprisingly, especially as we continue to learn a little more about this gentleman, Yo Yo. Two years from nineteen, seventy, three to nineteen. Seventy five Epstein taught at a very upscale Ivy League Prep School old Dalton School in Manhattan, you'll the accounts that sea he taught calculus in physics, and then you read, accounts the sea. He thought fit in math, but it is definitely the quantitative the quantitative Disciplines New York magazine initially likened his time adult in school. To the teacher it rather Williams, plays in dead poets society. As remember that film, oh captain, my captain demands the first really really sad movie. I ever saw Poetry was made for one reason, boys to womb women and also carpet DM so one parent of a student

on Wall Street sky was so inspired by Epstein methods and the Math Rance that he was known for he approached Jim. We have seen and said essentially, the hell are you doing here buddy. Why are you a teacher you should be a Wall Street which You know what Wall Street thinks about teachers yeah, why? Why would you be firing the young people just make more money, and so this this guy, parent double down on this and said? No, really, I'm I'm serious Jeff. Let me in produce you to my buddy, a screen burg. You ve gotta call em a scream burgers senior partner at the time at Bear Stearns Green really does Epstein, because this guy, Burke, definitely plea favorites and one thing that he was known for was he had. A certain type of young employ he liked her new higher. He didn't want people who were you just

and often heritage money, third generation bankers. He wanted brilliant, poor people and pours anything beneath a millionaire to him. Who were very, very hungry and at the time, then take all these boxes, so nineteen, seventy six, he says alright screw teaching, I'm going to work. It bear Stearns under a screen bird. He started the bottom kind of way. Drake wants you to believe his career began, son true, but in this case, is you start as junior assist into a floor trader at the American Stock Exchange and quickly became apparent that Jeff had it? gift for this sort of work. So steam was to be fair, either a complete genius or very, very close to that He had a specialty which was in options in that was at the time to them. It wasn't particularly well understood.

The amassed, a group of clients really really. Wealthy clients who thought that his bill, need to assess the attacks implications on large portfolios and then to recommend kind of tax law Oh, I guess advantages you could say for some of these transactions yeah absolutely this at this Full of finance. The way in which you move money in the order of operations can make a huge difference in you know how much of a cut uncle SAM gets or the state of New York or Muslim, and it's really crazy that it only took him for years to go from assistant to a floor trader all the way up to a full partner. Yet he beat game. He became a partner and then what do you do have to be the game you stop playing, so he left the firm in eighteen eighty one and set up his own shop. This really. This is strange sketchy. Okay, so the prince,

behind his shop. G, Epstein and CO is He would manage the individual and family fortunes of clients with a minimum of one billion dollars in their portfolio. Why animals and word into the scuttle, but about this guy one thousand nine hundred and eighty two he immediately began collecting client and he didn't go out and have some sort of TED Talk or some sort of Steve Jobs, big app. Reveal speech. People just started coming to him because they knew he was open for business. And he was also very controlling. He had these specific conditions. If you may One billion or more, you could talk, but you also have to accept this. He would not just offer investment advice. He was going to become your financial architect from soup. Stemmed the stern from investments to philanthropy. Today, explaining to security to us, swapping that the guilt

and burdens that people felt because they didn't, you know, inherited wealth. They clearly did not. He said to one of his friends at the time. I want to understand the power, the responsibility and the burden of their money. He would take total control of the billion dollars who had charge of flat fee, and you would also get power of attorney to do what every deemed necessary to admit answers is quiets financial goals and you really strict about all these conditions. And there's this whole thing. Where he's he's did stick to this whole, you're, a billionaire we're cool if you're not the hell. How whose history I mean as crazy as that sounds like people would come to him with seven hundred million dollars. Put it on the table essentially and say: I need your help, buddy Seven million dollars- and I need you to do work the surgery and he's like now get out based,

not so kind bank. No, no thank you, basically because they were just a little short of their billion year sake. I don't run a business for hoboes calf, That's ok! So this quick Pasok, that's a question I have. How many billionaires were there in one? Eighty one? We know there are more now partially. To inflation, partially due to rise of business and in other countries, but were there that many billions of euros in eighteen. Eighty one I know I would think not I would imagine there was a very, very rare Provide field right there were. They could have been that many I mean that inherited wealth. There There are at least several hundred families that have you know that because I was thinking of individual, so it might be like a dynasty that call ex all of their ill gotten gains her or

Happy gotten gains, you know, some billionaires are really sweet and do nice things further earth and for its inhabitants right sure. Maybe maybe I dont personally know everybody on the planet, so I wanna be fair. There's also, probably some that you now do it with great humility and dont brag about it right right. I went out but hope, but then you give it to a who Epstein who says I'll handle it, and that's you that's! The smart thing to do is missing. Give that balls. I quote, behind every great fortune. There is a crime. You know that but yeah you guys are absolutely right. There are clearly people Who are you you're born into wealth? And you don't have control over your search, stances. Then of course there are people who wanted do great acts to make the world a better place bill gates.

Took himself down several notches financially to help combat disease. That's that it's a stand, thing I still hate clytie, but fight. Diseases. A noble thing cannot wait when Josh and check it you'd bill gates. They actually get to go with them and meet him in a hotel room and Josh brought up clytie and apparently delegated still quite fond of clipping. Anyhow guess loves Gulliby. He has legal relationship with it he's the only one, sir. Where is a kid? I, like the prodigious slowed down the word processor soap. Speaking of billionaires, who are Jeffreys, clients aside, one clear, a billionaire name: Leslie Wechsler, absent keeps his list a closely guarded. Secret was also sort of evasive about his process, what he does near, you could call it wealth management, that sort of like calling something a structure,

shack can be a structure, so can a skyscraper were a pyramid or a new? your bunker. There are a lot of things. They can be considered that wealth management so he's firm employees as many or employed as many as two hundred and fifty people, but there too were overwhelmingly dated eight bureaucracy and admin stuff. Like accountants to make sure the internal finances that accompany running all the actual decisions, investment management decisions were made by Epstein himself and his swerved computer phobic not a big fan of emails, and so on so he's is talking on the phone which will be important later so How much money is making some estimates will say he is or was raking in around seventy five million a year. But that's a guess: that's why? In a lot of stories about the guy, there were many into fairly recently you'll hear,

described as either a multi millionaire or a billionaire people, don't really know yet Imagine if he's bringing in even somewhere around seventy five million dollars a year with his acumen, his understanding of investment he's probably gun. Well, well upwards of a billion I'm assuming. What's like the Putin, how much money does Vladimir Putin? Have they not being which Palliser you search right. How long do you want to live off? Is Well, here's a big question with, however much Many he's acquired what a guy like Jeffrey Epstein, do with all of those piles of cash beanie babies. It sets them on fire. Man see violent, you're, beanie babies by them a bunch of magic cards then said the holding of fire Larry, where it a cape. What's his monocle top hat position,

well tell you varietal what he does and what anyone should probably do. I wanna keep so bad by a cape first, then just start purchasing real estate purchasing land purchasing stuff that goes on land, different structures with them on land that you own. That's what you do Yes, sir, he owns that private island in the? U S virgin islands. Do we mention what the nickname for this thing is no its little saint, Jeffrey, little saved Jeffrey off Littoral states, Jeffrey officials there today lets you but seriously he owns and island regions. It's it's. Who is ask O Jonathan Strickland? Was ask me about this earlier It is, in fact not shaped like a skull, which knows, downer for everyone giving you started a layer though yes, oh it's only as have it is everywhere else. Has a japanese bath house on this island

we're gonna learn more about that in just a little bit, but here's the other thing nor he owns on the island of Manhattan, the what is considered the largest private residence. Nine stories tall yeah. He owns and an island to he also funds. Extensive gentlemen scientific research through something humbly named the Jeffrey Epstein, the sixth foundation, and it's cool? is genuine legal. It's it's genuinely good. Since two thousand, the foundation has given around two hundred million a year per year to people Stephen hawking Marvin men, Ski Eric Ladder, George Church been saw other Numerous Nobel laureates, Loris Crossman Laurens costs as well over the years. The foundation has brought a lot of these scientists together and these

brainstorming conference situations to get on the same page about fundamental topics like gravity, global threats to earth. The evolution of language so can see some of the implications here. Usually when billionaires, airs, philanthropists or say. Let's understand, gravity, they're they're asking how come use it somehow ripe, yet global that's the earth! I mean this old goes back to making smart investment choices to The language thing is really interesting, I'm sure. There's, a lot of our group think the stock market. So this is, in my opinion, one of them my opinion, one of those things that you do see everyone's while, when a certain individual or group acquires enough wealth that philosophy he is able to kick in at this point, at least to this level, whereby a big Creation occurs that is helping that truly is helping humanity in some way in

small way in this case just bringing Scientists to a consensus could be massively important to get everyone on the same page to actually get the earth to start making some big time three or one small group. Tree or one small group it's it's tough for me, to know this and then also know what we're going to talk about in just a few minutes rights. Let's stick with the good stuff while while we can, you can see the official about page for the Epstein Foundation when Thyssen, the fund in two thousand and how it in two thousand three established a programme for evolutionary dynamics at Harvard University. With thirty of thirty five million dollars, seed, money gift, the Prague, studies, the evolution of microbiology through the lens of mathematics. Then, since its establishment, it's made advances in the treatment of cancer. Hiv infectious diseases He's also get this

well known for his work funding early education for youth, the virgin islands together. Some other areas of the world. So far, oh good, right near these are genuinely good things. Jeffrey Epstein himself, me, financial giant, isn't just killing it in the world of finance. What a fine this guy's defined success by violent terms, rushing it kill, kill, nailed it so imagine smashing it the MIA he did all that stuff is also putting a significant amount of capital into globally important issues. There was motivations are not clearly not entirely altruistic, you can make some money of that. Yet, while Epstein remained for many years and international man of intrigue, mystery tantalizing bits of information about his private life gradually emerge and that's why things got ugly? and will learn about those things right. After a quick word from our sponsor,

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let's get the one is almost side, don't rumour out of the way he's a member of a lot of clubs. Yeah, like the trilateral commission that you may remember from an episode that we ve done, we have done an audio episode on trilateral right. I dont, remember man, it's in a video go check out. Are you too general and watch the trilateral commission? If you don't know much about it, also, The council on foreign relations, also a video also, maybe not of audio topic, it honestly don't know a ton of people are in the council on foreign relations emptying. You know, the Trilateral Commission has Virgin shakers that can come and go over time, but you can imagine how upsetting these things are for certain. A certain number of us within the conspiracy minded world night being being up both of those organizations is pretty bad just being part of one is potentially bad,

it isn't necessarily a bad thing overall, but for people who believe this. Yes, it is, do you think they have capes not like in public but the there in the meeting there. I think it's more of. Like crown indifferent asks that they were like a year claiming ok, I mean I feel, like that's a big compromise Maybe you to be in the straight up. Illuminati turn a cape you know that's one of those things that make you who interesting. I want to know more about this guy, if you're of a certain mind, but there's another thing: this is the way we're being relatively low hearted about the inequality of well, in the globe, and some of them Nicholas things that can happen when you're a billionaire. Those are the light, hearted things multimillion area, because the light hearted things this,

where this is where the disclaimer, the warning we had at the beginning, really comes into effect from here on out things are going to be pretty pretty dark. Secondly, an apparently for decades Jeffrey Epstein, had been routinely seducing assault. Clean and, in some cases, currently assaulting under. Age, girls and it goes even further than that. The really upsetting thing is that this this whole deal that he had going on seem to be pretty much an open, open secret in certain parts of both St as well as Washington, here we have a quote from president, as we record this Donald Trump in two thousand well to talking his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. He said

I've known Jeff for fifteen years, terrific guy he's a lot of to be with even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side, no doubt about it, Jeffrey enjoys his social life, were. There was hardly get the now. There goes the President Yak as the president in the two thousand and seven New York magazine article vanity, fair column list. Michael Wolf describe fine on Epstein private plain in the nineties, saying Epstein swallowed under the playing by How shall I say this by we teenage girls, not his daughters, who eighteen, nineteen, twenty who knows there were model like he's, never been secretive about the girls. Wolf said at one point: when his troubles began. He was talking to me and said What can I say I, like young girls, I said- maybe should say I like young women,.

While smoke smoke here, lesbos smoke, the mainstream public learned of this sum open secret in the early two. Thousands thinks in large part to some groundbreaking work by the Miami Harold Thee, encounters with under age, reach victims are the ones who were the subject of the investigation in Florida they took place. One thousand nine hundred and ninety nine to two thousand and five in Mr Epstein's mansions, the one in Palm Beach Island New York where's virgin islands, many of the girls were runaways or fostered children. People from broken homes, people vulnerable situations and its point to note Epstein. Did not work. Alone we remember when Matt earlier said. This is just the beginning near his

his operation function like a pyramid scheme, a girl with the approach by one of Epstein assistance, or often previous victim and told hey. You can be pretty good money by giving this middle aged rich guy a massage, already creep right and so once a once, the victim arrives at the mansion NEWS in the palm beach operation, at least not far from moral, our moral order not very far she be escorted to a particular room and then that this would leave and you can find descriptions of the room. In my Miami heralds peace, Epstein would come in wherein only a town on the phone yeah, this robe lay down they did their best. Down failures and he would tell the victim too massage his legs

didn't many would start escalating this stuff in offering more money? Also, there were a sex toys around. Again, I cannot emphasise this enough: when we say under age, we're talking about kids were fourteen and fifteen years old. I can't even see words are using, I'm gonna, be making guttural noises now, and I know that you make me like specially sensitive about it- does little did having a daughter entering into a kind of the teenage breed image phase. Yes, I mean I can't even imagine savings alone is desert. Coming from tat, who lives anyway, even like thinking they might get a opportune, there's something that might help them out and right. There, just totally abuse used the relish the rage really just immediately sets in. We haven't even got like all the way, so he would attempt to entice

entice, some victims to this rule, do increasingly intimate physical things. He would intimidate others in it. Least wine case that made it to the poor. Weeks sphere: I he did forcibly assault somewhat and afterwards. The girls would be paid to under three hundred dollars so and pay on what they did. Person, then he forced himself on says she gave him a thousand bucks and asked thirty. Be quiet and apologize so they would get paid and they'll be informed that if they like to make more money, they could recruit their friends to come visit Epstein so long as they were around the same age and with a handlers, are very careful about this. Some of the handlers told the girls the victims when they first Epstein to say that they were eighteen to him

the idea being that this will provide billowy some kind of legal legal but blight doesnt fly in Florida. Florida specifically has laws, say that age is not not an excuse he's man? You can already see in my mind, picturing, something like an axiom, there. We cover not long ago that kind of extreme the wealthy person, somehow just with the Heisman of money and in Jeffreys case, I guess in some way, not necessarily for the the younger girls, but this or of If a man who knows what he's doing is going to make more money- and like has this special power, he's in palm beach within also knowing that

I see as an island it and then getting your friends like the everything just feels so disgusting Ikey about the and calculated he ass. The thing it's very calculated. This is not an impulse. Decision? You know what I mean another, not the impulse decisions in any way better. It's just that this couch aided organizational systematic approach. Is it is serious here, the spider thing in the web and so let's, let's look at some of the characters that become involved in ongoing story first seems associates and staff, so one of his assistance was a person whom Sarah Kellan and color was accused by lawyers and legal filings of bringing girls to have mansion to be abused, the aquarium- please files, there was a whole series of alleged victims that too,

investigators that they were led like this is the person Sarah Kellan led the these girl to the massage room in the mansion where all this other stuff with the disrobing occurred- and this was in the Palm Beach Mansion communist literally as the conspiracy other players involved that are being used as pieces. In this, like a labyrinth ploy, I mean it's so scary, because who knows Who knows how much of a vague Somebody like Sarah colonies rob him right early on in some other way like she's in his pocket and somewhere someth. Well, I'm, u get who knows, and I naturally trapped yeah, that's not decided, using her of what her actions in what she did. But still like you, don't we don't have the circumstances had deep, this guy's gonna tendrils go absolute terrifying and Speaking of that, there's another character, not most cover merchant over she will

learn about her through statement serve some alleged victims who one claim to police that Epstein told her that he had purchased Nada from her parents in Eastern Europe when she was fifteen there desk Is you yugoslavian slowly again other victim alleged that she was for. To have sex with? Not a motion cover? and then watch her of sexual interactions with Epstein. According to the Miami Harold times? Jeffrey would instruct the young woman he described as his quote: yugoslavian sex slave Naughty Emerson, Kova, who is over team to join in and he took photographs, and he displayed these photographs around the house. The the guy some there's there's a phrase no that you and your roommate use. I think applies here. The guy's, proclivity

were wide right: wide rife wide rife throughout his house. This was not a secret is also Ghislaine Lane Maxwell socialite, an heiress who was occasionally virtues. Epstein Madame was asked to turn over records and then there's an Dershowitz Alan Freakin Dershowitz. Who is it like a living illegally in enormously prestigious lawyer. He It would have seen on the business side, duration, told outfit actually use the Epstein lent. His family, the poem each Florida House and they he received a therapy massage with an old russian there, but that he'd had no idea anything improper. It even taken place in the house in twenty. Eating. He said, steam after this topic- public. You set up called me a couple times, while legal issues, because I'm so technically his lawyer, but I haven't had any social or any other kind of contact with him, but you never stop being someone's lawyer and then there's a guy. We gotta mention just casually he'll. Come back trust us

Alex CASTOR. He was formed the? U S attorney in South Florida, his current the? U S secretary of Labour, we'll get him in a bit, but remember. The name Alex accosted We shall remember you so Let's talk about the victims. Here the authorities identified more than thirty victims of Epstein. And then, if you look at the Miami Harold in their latest report, they identified eighty victims and they located sixty and spoke to four of them officially on the record. So again trying to track down all of these people who are alleged victims- and you know, You can only get a certain percentage of those people to even talk, because this kind of thing is it's so insidious even being able to speak about something like this, especially on the record is difficult. So, let's, through a few of these One is Virginia you free,

free gee- I, U F, F r e claimed in court papers that she was recruited into this. Whatever you the call child sex ring that this billionaire was running when she was only fifteen years old. She was working as a towel girl at moral law. Oh boy, that's how she got wrapped up in it and she also claims that Dershowitz as well as Prince Andrew participated in her sexual abuse. What is a towel girl a towel girl, I'm assuming a moral ugly, because there is a vast outdoor area and moral order, with a pool in everything like that, as well as there are shot. Or what do you call them? All of the other things you find at a spot bath house anything I can only imagine there the towel girl handle the town they bring. Towels legged like a caddy. The Taos instead of clubs, I see in fifteen, which is fifteen,

in. Sixteen is a very common age for these private clubs to higher. When I was fifteen, that's no way I when I was fifteen, I started working at one of these place, not as towel, I was in, I was a poor boy. No thank you. I mean and its agree. It is also that's a great summer job for kids. You know what I mean you make it will scratch didn't save up and tenderness which or whatever, especially out in that area. Some of these private clubs right some of the best money for your work on that there's Courtney, Wild who was a victim beginning at the age of fourteen Wild says by the time I was sixteen I'd probably brought him. Seventy to eighty girls were all fourteen room. Fifteen years old, he was involved in my life for years and Gue me just not skip over the fact. This one person Virginia. Claimed that both Dershowitz, the lawyer and Prince Andrew Royalty, were involved

How intense is that in especially occurring at moral Argo where all of these highly import, people are just kind of coming through a number whenever and now we have somebody who's claiming to have at him, seventy to eighty girls sorry. We just had to pause for a moment and then to continue with the disgustingness so there is General LISA Jones who said that she was also you choose also assaulted by upstream interests. Fourteen She has a shilling in hunting quote here. I was I was somewhat divided over whether we should read it aloud. But here it is. You can't ever stop your thoughts. A word can trigger something. For me, it is the word pure because he called me pure in that room, and then I remember what he did to me in that room. Just I don't know

there's Hayley Robinson Virginia robinson- was working more mar when she was recruited to be misused to palm beach. Hedge fund manager, Jeffrey Epstein. There are tons of Jane Doze, you don't know how many there are. We know what the Herald founds right. The heralds They found eighty, they load, did. Sixty million ought to talk to but only four would go on the record with their names and you can Stana too, because a lot are these people been quashed by settlements and non disclosure agreements, etc. With India or Non disclosure agreement means that if someone. If someone alleges crime, you wanna keep it out of court girls. What it is you and have a legal team drop, a contract that says south admitting guilt shears x, amount of dollars, and

return. You can't talk about it. You agreed and never talk about this. The problem is that a lot of those things as we see dont, really holed up in court. If you're can someone not to confess I crime know what I mean so those are those are victims, those collaborators or, as you said, no conspirators, There are some people fighting the good fight on the side as well. So there were several investigators involved in the case we have Joseph carry. Who is the lead detective for the case and in his first interview He said the evidence that apartment collected to support the girls stories. Was overwhelming, included all kinds of stuff all kinds of damning evidence: phone call records, copies of Four messages from the girls found in Epstein trash and Epstein flight logs that showed his private planet palm Beach on the days the girls were scheduled to give massages. Ah,

pretty damn insomnia. The police report also showed how easily consists the girl stories were just down to the tea right down to their detailed descriptions of Epstein. Anatolia and then there's Michael writer, who is the former chief of police and palm beach. He was the chief during this investigation and he said detectors- were astonished by the sheer volume, a victim coming and going from the house the frequent Sometimes several in the same day and universally young ages of these girls. Michael Writer, says it started out. Give a man back rub it in many cases, turn some far worse than that elevated to a serious crime. In some cases, sexual batteries. There's a another good. I mean this is almost true detective level. You know what I mean as far as the web. That is unearthed here,

Here's the attorney for the victim scanning Brad Edwards he's rubber contains several the young women who were abused as minors by obscene his law. Office is packed with files from case and he's been fighting the power at every turn. Often Numbered outgunned out manned because you see the treated Thing is not just a pop culture reference force here there multiple, very powerful people that have been implicated in one way or another, with Epstein and to be fair. A lot of it is not proven. Yeah other than the as we know they hung out, they may be took his plane places the plane, which was also formerly known as the Lolita express that's true, is afforded notice that, but who are somebody's implicated, employee, they did celebrities less jumble in first with Bill Clinton, because

he was known to have taken the Lolita express to the virgin. I islands to that island that Epstein, owns on numerous occasions, As well as hanging out the pump anyway to Africa yeah using plain increased Tucker was on the plane to theirs huge list of celebrities urban on there. You know, but Billy, we definitely want to one's popped out. In my mind, around the time this is awful to say, but it was around the time that pizza gate was coming out. That's when I started to really learn about clearly the moment without Steen. In that connection, and was one of those things that freaked me out a little bit. And made me start to think, there was more to the whole pizza gate thing, which I don't necessarily believe, but its deftly one of those things that creeped me out Donald Trump has come up we'll times your current President Donald Trump,

He had this association. He made that really big me that quotas Amy. Their quotas in two thousand to that certainly didn't age. Well, there's one we do have to say in Donald Trump Defence, when Trump was when Trump learned that Epstein may have been romance, Lee entertaining origin did recruit under age. Girls at moral logo. We're, bringing these young women within these young girls. These children with them, calling them his nieces, which is so creepy Donald Trump said: ok, look. This can happen here. You gotta go. So Trump asked him to leave Trump kicked him out. That's good! I guess I think. That's the bare minimum of these know. It's not. The bare minimum of decency is calling the bullet yeah his his all things. Just don't do it where I can also be implicated, sir. I think

what a word I mean in my opinion. Oh yeah, well, I mean I don't want to throw around implications like I'd sure feels like it based on what we know about. Yes. The act of kicking someone out Or not allowing someone to do something illegal in your place of business, but not alerting the authorities that someone is doing something illegal in your place of business. Now, that's that's! That's very damning. Nea Azure saying TAT makes sense, and there we mention Prince Andrew De Prince Andrew allegations that Epstein forced teenage victims to become equally involved with Prince drew on three separate occasions and the Euro. The, U K Press is having a fear. They would lay tabloid like the sun or whatever multiple up right now was. I me also lie royalty or untouchable yeah. You know what I mean with.

When is the next time we when's the last time a royal family member went to jail. Its Charles spend a lot of time, and this is the old slammer known, getting anywhere Lambert those lever, that's what they call it there right so so. Ok, as, as we said, the alleged abuse is pretty well documented by numerous sources going back to at least the ninety nine. These and, if you wanna, be stood optimistic. Then you can reasonably say that is possible when went back earlier than that so How did this from rumours scuttle button secrecy to an actual legal matter? How did the cops can involve? What we'll get to that right after a quick break. My name is shook her wealth. This is,

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May I hurt radio app Apple podcast or wherever you get your bike. So, let's start in March of two thousand five, when a woman called the police in Palm Beach and after first refused to give her name. She said that she believed her fourteen year old step had in some way been molested by a wealthy man, just a wealthy man. So, at the time and the victim in this case lived at this involuntary admitted juvenile education facility, which I'm assuming as some kind of juvy, you'd college uv. Guess when something to that effect, because she was, she was having behavioral problems right so apparently she shows up at the school with three four dollars cash in her purse, and it

became basically that the talk of the class everybody say: oh, my god, you see there she's got three hundred cash. She did tat, do that's crazy and then the first called the girl, a terrible name. Yes, we'll see it a whore. Another friend put a fee, through the wall in anger, apparently like punched, the Wall and then the girl left school and then the stepmother gets this call from another students mother. So this just this act, bringing three hundred dollars into this school was enough to get basically the entire school talking then a policewoman was talking to the girl with a therapist there. So they're just having a conversation about what's going on that's when this victim she's begins In breaking down and she her finger into her thigh and she just began telling. Telling this entire story about how she was she was taken to this big House on the Atlantic

your coastal waterway, which is where Epstein Mansion was located. She remembers climbing this spiral staircase to the master bedroom, where this woman, a blonde woman who you know she's, probably too intertwinings twenty five or something in his likely, Sarah killing its prob exactly it probably is Helen, she was a very friendly. She laid out sheets and she put lotions on a massage table, and then she leaves that's when Jeffrey steam. Comes in this, is story this similar story that we have already talked about he's naked, except for a towel he's Turn orders the girl to take off her clothes and then the rest of the details are pretty much. What you ve heard before an stuff, then I honestly don't wanna, say here, but the police at this point were very much convinced that this at least worth looking into, and then this girl

is that she had been brought there by two other girls. Please spoke to those two girls NOS two girls pointed to two more girls, went also been there and also recruited them by time detectives tracked out, one victim. There were two or three more defined. Very very soon. There were dozens so also- two thousand five, the palm p d obtains a search warrant and they visit Epstein Mansion they called off massage tables photos of naked girls? Soaps shaped like Genitalia Epstein, sent an urgent message to the detectives through his attorney. It said the shadiest thing, mister Steam is, this is laughable. I'm sorry, this is just Mr Epstein is very passionate about massages, the massages, our therapeutic and spiritually sound for him. That is why he has had many messages, ivy

really I'm sorry, I'm laughing is just come on. It's laughable. It's like it's! It's such a bad attempt as an excuse sounds like it was poorly translated from a different language though the craziest thing here is that if you're a wealthy and visual in you really are passionate about massages? It makes since that you have massage there. Equipment in your home, you can afford that even rooms dedicated just getting therapeutic massage and you can also higher, almost Zeus, a professional misuse which he did have she, he paid her a hundred dollars an hour there you go so had a professional misuse. Geier verrier massages that your passionate about enjoy them so, We should also note that computers and hardware were missing in the mansion into them

violent palm beach measures taken out pretty quickly. So Two thousand five, the fighting this in court as as we said earlier, the head detective on the cases site we have this. This is five by This is buttoned up. This is game over you know what I mean yeah, but think Finally, what he says is that there are there's a network of things. Institutions and people stymie in the investigation and this is where our previous cast member a car. That makes a return good all Alex Carstone Ruth in he said he was a state attorney. Therefore, Florida. He started meeting with Epstein team, where such legal luminaries sound, Dershowitz ten. Star from the Clinton investigation. More. These guys are

in terms of the of their legal reputation. These are very, very influential price. Minute lawyers and legal minds. So, cost and his team eventually, two thousand eight. They strike a secret deal with Epstein to shield him from federal investigation and prosecution. The vigour were not made aware of this agreement. It was called a non prosecution deal a cost. This team, at the time, were in possession of a fifty three page draft indictment charge, Epstein with cereal child child molestation instead, he took in at a cost. On behalf of the. U S, government keep in mind gave Epstein this this deal instead of instead of court, essentially immunity pretty much,

worse than immunity, so Epstein pled guilty two to state level frost to charges so not sex trafficking, prostitution, charges. These essentially made him a John and why to get in exchange. For that man I mean talk about sweetheart deal. This is alive immunity from all related federal criminal charges, not only for himself but also for any quote any better Your conspirators royalty, yeah yeah The president, anyone who might have been involved in these alleged federal crimes, provision would effectively completely shut any FBI investigation any further restoration into the evidence, the overwhelming evidence

the piles of evidence of international sex trafficking here and essentially make it retroactively league for anyone to have conspired with him to rape any of the alleged victims good God he dig jail time. He gonna thirty. Month sentence, He served it in a private wing of the county jail. And he was there, except for six days a week when he was a work release you would went to he commuted to his private office for twelve hours. And his sentence was eighteen months, but he just serve thirteen. There was also- we mentioned earlier, but there is also this important important legal stag. There was a commitment protest by through email chain This agreement would be kept secret from the the people.

A final verdict as victims, so that they would not have the opportunity to protest this strong, Neri agreement in cork and that's despite the fact, Keeping a plea agreement secret from victims is a violation of the law should go without saying. This is not the typical please deal for his part. The cost in his team with later say all right. We we caved on this agreement, but we did because we are being harassed by Epstein High powered legal team private investigators to defend witnesses to die in their personal lives. They said they felt physically threatened. However, emails and documents show the lie here. The relationship between federal prosecutors, nesting steam was more collaborative an adversarial they

spend a lot of time figure out how to settle the case with the smallest, not a scandal. They even decided not to charge with sex offence. They considered witness tampering, an obstruction, charges and misdemeanours and they were to allow Epstein to secretly plead guilty in Miami instead of Palm Beach County were the victims lived, because that would limit media exposure and it would make it less likely for the victims to appear at dancing and they also in these emails again? by the Herald. They also referred discussions. They wanted to have by folder in person. So there wasn't a paper trail and this agreement. This non prosecution agreements sealed until after it was approved by a judge me it virtually impossible for anyone to interfere, including Edwards. The attorney this all the public attention with my Emmi Harold released a comprehensive damn

groundbreaking investigation that seems activities and the plea deal and the corruption and long term damage to the underage victims. Yet at this, There is very little at indication that that deal be thrown out reneged upon because he already fulfilled his part of the agreement and I guess we just have to emphasize. How extraordinary it is that there is a federal agreement that says now don't do you have to do this? Not only suddenly now calling abuse children, prostitutes, which itself as an offensive term right as that's there? I'd, be defamatory, believe the cracked her Miss sex worker radio, so Not only are they doing that, but There are also saying, if any potential code. In spirit or worked with you than their Scot Free YA, Scot free.

Just by association like even if they were named like they were discovered later the land, Those are the real power. This is my. This is my take it's not about Jeffrey Epstein, and it's not the billions and billions of dollars that he manages its about the high powered for, in my opinion, this is approving the high power. People that took trips with him on that will lead to express the high powered people they got massages other than Jeffrey Epstein. That's why he got that deal. No, I think, you're right. I mean that cuz. It makes no sense and I believe the lawyer they got him. That deal is now a member of trumps cabinet. Outskirts his Secretary of Labour, yeah yeah, I mean it. She start getting into those circles. Those does power circles There is just so much insulation that can happen favours owed. You know from high up pilot

since our law enforcement or whatever and people call that stuff in its roots. It's real says not tinfoil that is not imaginary These people have immunity to future, national sex trafficking. They have immunity. If anything, they would the ode catch them up in that, and it's like it it's ten years since two thousand eight he spent his time in prison. Do you guys really think all of us? any of this has stopped. I mean guys, probably under sir I once of some sort, even What would he be, because why would you spend your money if you're, even the FBI or even the CIA, looking at international stuff going on I guess I don't know how that works with a virgin islands has technically aren't they part of the United States U S virgin islands, ok, yeah! It's just.

It's so infuriating due to think that this kind of, arable abuse is occurring and is allowed to occur in its syn, because people have money and tremendous so maybe inactive Congress could change, it could trigger it. You know, We just legally speaking Billy speaking and it's it's tough. To get this I mean deal J is in this. You know I hesitate so often too, to accuse people of operating a large groups and lock step because, as we know, groups of people stink, operation after us, threshold is reached, but while we were working on it, our looking into it. I I honestly star.

To wonder you will there be consequences for us for making this episode, interesting, which, oh really think about it. You know I think everybody cares what we have to say about this, but we do want to get this out in the public sphere because, regardless of what actually happened. Even if you want since to take this. To tease side and say that This was some sort of hit peace or sub. Something like that. He has his two thousand five in before that sure. Since the eighties something happen, something happened there wouldn't be a deal like that. If there was it pernicious, horrific stuff? There then people needed to powerful people are conspiring right in closing ranks. This is curiosity,

this is infuriating. We wanted what you think thank you for listening. We want to know why what you believe would be the next step. Or a legitimate investigation which did not occur right I at Uncle SAM Sport part. We want to know how far you think this goes. We want to know who else you think is of all too or those unnamed potential co conspirators most importantly I want you to know that as we say in any episode that deals with the horror of abuse. If you are, if you have found herself in a situation or if you no someone that is that's what I wanted: six five six you are not alone, powerless. There are people who are there to help and support you

You can call one eight hundred six, five, six, four, six, and three. That's one, eight hundred six, five, six hope and content. People at the national sexual assault, telephone hotline I would also say here: that's thank you been for that you're. If you want to learn more literally just do Google searches, the guardian is a good place to start. Said: Newark Mag Miami Harold there of their bunch of places where you, if you want to continue to follow this story, can and I will say that there is some hope here because we're obviously in a time where powerful manner getting taken to task more so than we ve seen in the past, certainly, but it still feels like once again. When you're at a certain level very hard to mean it's very hard to actually make people answer, their crimes, even if it's all laid out on the table like this, which is the which those got wrenching part of the story that it's like

There is no doubt in anyone's mind the stuff happened and, like you said Matt, when you know the back in circulation aside, Maybe keeping his nose cleaned up appeases handlers for a little while you know, this is a man as a mission. These driven to base this work, and the fact that is allowed to be out in the budget makes me sick hurry. What do you think right to us find us on on social media where conspiracy stuff in most places conspiracy, stuff shown Instagram, join us on? we're gonna group, here's where it gets crazy. If you want to get into this discussion about this a difficult one for our minds sorry everyone, but that's just you know let's try and have a conversation about this. That isn't that doesn't turning

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