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then were joined with our super producer, Paul Deck and the man behind the curtain. Here and most importantly, you or you that makes this stuff they don't want. You to know today were very excited friends, neighbours, fellow conspiracy, realists because we are finally do going into a story that you heard about fairly. Recently, you may have seen it as an interesting headline on your facebook feed. If that's where you get your news, you may have seen couple of people commenting on it in red it are. You may have wondered why such an earth- making story hit the headlines and then appeared to vanish. When I first saw the light weight. So this is. This is like an admission that that this stuff is real will. Yet these programmes are real, especially because you are probably reading it in the New York Times, which you

he don't read about. You oppose their hats of saying I was like this is the one. This is the big one and then it was kind of just like we were. That would happen that story right paper of New York Times and a journalist working for the New York Times by the name of a Ralph Blumenthal win public with a front page Sunday, article in the New York Times fairly recently, where you it wasn't. I glowing Oros in black money, the Pentagon mysterious UFO column, but it's all right with Leslie King and Helen Cooper introduced the vast majority. The public, including Matt, nor Paul myself to something called the advanced aerospace threat identification programme, and this blue, our collective mind. Yes, we weren't sure what was up. We weren't sure what was left. What was right way to go and be as we wanted to bring the most

canadian, most accurate information to bear on this subject. We we connected with one of our exe in the field in this region, and we you are lucky enough to have him with us on the air today, Ladies and gentlemen, you may remember him from our previous episode on allegations of alien implants are mysterious implants, the mastermind behind the film patient, seventeen number twenty five on Netflix and trending right now, by the way check it out. If you haven't already we'd like to introduce you Jeremy CORE Bell: Jeremy things are happening again course. So are you just? I guess we just started the beginning: let's, let's go to the day this article comes out. How much did you know about this at that point either working on their tiktok case for two years

and was not allowed to say anything about it. So I got to see a kind of from the inside before it was published in. I had three warning about published in a bit it being published in the New York Times, analytical and then getting picked up by the global media. We know it was a big story is a big story. So luckily I got to see it a little bit from the inside So can you tell us a little bit about what the tick Tock incident is sure? Yeah I mean you go. You know here either fat man, the devil is in the detail. Then this is a real conspiracy reality. This is something being held back from the american global public and it, you know, does have a focused on the tick tock incident, because that is the case that I was working. For a couple years. I had no way to shield anybody. I was speaking with you know from their secrecy agreements. So is really great how this came out. The tick tock incident off the coast of California was one Many incidents where there is an anomalous aerial vehicle or an enormous arrow threat, depending on how

when it was the language where an object of unknown or No tell members know even waiting was defying all ideas that we have about propulsion, gravity and flight, and this thing was observed within a hundred feet by the primary pilot, commander, David Braver and it was on every rate or that we have and considered a threat of unknown origin and it just displayed the most astounding flight characteristics, and so that is kind of the core of that story that there is unknown knowledge, unknown crap from unknown origin, the outlying anything that we have, and that was a two thousand for case, so pretty currents rain. That's really want to emphasise this for the rest of the audience here.

Jeremy you mention it would it was a fighter pilot who is the primary observer here. There were other observers in these were experts. These were not people who were walk you know, I tourist area waiting in line to get some street food. The were these were people operating out of the? U S S Nimitz. As I correct you are. In fact, these are our most highly trained combat pilots. There were four visual observers on that particular day, yet these events were ongoing for over a week off the coast of California being serve by our national defence and military and these pilots, having no knowledge of what they were going to were asked. What ordinance do you have on board? We have a real life target for you and they were sent out to observe and to engage this anomalous aerial vehicle, and there are some things about that that the public needs to know. Not only are these trained observers, but this object that they engage

get things like actively jam compared to passively jam, their radar and weapon systems which is fascinating. Could they had the most high tech available to United States, military or the world at this time? While the craft itself did not look like anything we would understand as an aircraft right there were do, know rotors no wings. Nobody, not even any portholes, is correct. In my conversations with Commander David Graver, it was the most astounding He had ever seen in combat or even in theory, because this object through the different visual optics that he had had no protrusion wings or anything like that. It had no exhaust plumes. They can use fleer, which is he's sensing. There is no possible way that he knew of

Thing could operate and in the ways that it did when he was observing it was like a ping pong bouncing right left up down. It was absent. Lately foolish. The way that it with moving you with strain beyond all believe and at one point it noticed him and it started to get him and move around his vehicle. It shut down his system. I mean he's quoted as saying in the Boston Harold you know it is. It is not something we developed ended. He believes that something not from here not from so Jim. You not only spoken with the fighter pilot. Who is the primary witness for this, but you also of followed. This story this phenomenon beyond specific instance to a global context, earlier off ere, you said that you some you had some

textual icing points about the the global impact or the backdrop of this phenomenon, and we were wondering if you could walk walk ass in the audience through the the primary, let's see them. The land here or there should we say the cost of the sky yeah sure so yeah. I a network of people involved which, in the other two thousand for Nimitz, either from radar operators to personnel to the pilot. So I've been able to see this from a larger perspective, but the big loser. But let's get back to the Big news you know here are the fact you first of all, we should know that my mentor George Nap, really broke all of this in first before anybody and you Know- He'S- got his ear to the rail in a way we are standing place now within the United States, where an world where we are being told a number of things. So, for example, the inner here are the facts. It was an

Twenty two million dollars was spent by our government to study the you oh phenomenon, that was reported in the New York Times and the advance aviation threat identification programme. Eighty IP was named secret, UFO Study, something aerospace. Outrunning our machine bullet points a man named, Elizondo who's. The former director programme to investigate unidentified aerial threats for our government. He came forward in that article as well, so they identified it. There's a threat. Alexander TAT, in the political article we we have never seen anything like it. There there's frustration within our government

John DOE kind of made that clear by thing. Look at the Russian Bear Bomber company near California, it it's all over the news it these are coming in the skies over our facilities, and you hear nothing but crickets and he says our facility. Those direct quote were also talking about nuclear facility, so in the public eye nothing has been studied about you oppose the Claudia Project Blue Book in nineteen, sixty nine, that's what we were told now. We know that that is completely false. It was also said that the aid He IP programme ended in two thousand and twelve, the rights that this is right out of the Pentagon. They're saying that programme. The study of those ended in two thousand twelve. In fact, that is false and we'll get into that when it gets crazy. There was a fear. This is something else that everybody should know. There is a fear that the you know these incidents and these aircraft and these craft it were witnessing were not made by human

this is all the way up in a chain of command within our Pentagon and the other kind of headline news that we learn through the New York Times. Article is that former Senator Harry Read of Nevada. He initiated when two million dollar programme to study you about a larger phenomena that we observe that have to do that are beyond ufos. There is a very strange link to a very strange property that this programme had directorate to study a place called. Walk around. That's what we know from these global announcement did in fact Ufos as a threat topic and remains a hot topic, since one thousand nine hundred and sixty nine, when allegedly we stop studying this stuff, which we now know is not true. So that's kind of a big point- the big pictures and they're using specific cases to help us understand

just to go back quickly to Louis Elizondo, the person who was essentially the manager of the programme, at least for a time. One thing we found to be extremely important here with regards to the Pentagon itself. Many things. He said that even his immediate supervisor at the Pentagon was unaware of the programme which you know we weave. We talked segmentation that occurs within the government in government groups like that before within structures where you know what it, what is it you Jesse A lot of people won't know exactly. What's going on what your net, what the next person is working on, often there's a computer. Illustration of information so perhaps

the Pentagon overall, didn't even really know what was going on. I guess the AIDS is quite surprising. There is a stove piping. They call it with an intelligent circle of information. So your one hand can't access, with the other hand, is working on and there's a reason for that, specifically in these programmes its because the implications of this technology, it is a fierce technology. It is something when weapon eyes if we could control did that the forces of nature, like these craft appear to be able to control that gives any nation a leg up, technologically a weapon adaptation that other countries other nations wouldn't have. So that is the exact reason why, within the intelligence community permanent that national security, you have this doping and compartment delegation

potent. We used it for the atomic weapons system, the atomic bomb, and we use it now in anything. Regarding ufos- and that's that's a very important point regarding atomic weapons dream, I'm glad you brought up this subject because from what we under stand for Senator Harry Reed thee. The question of Miss defence in nuclear weaponry was one of the least the. According to his public statements, one of the primary motivators for his interest in the project he said that he had read classified reports about encounters with honour five flying objects over? U S nuclear bases and that during those encounters, just just like how these systems on the fighter planes were scrambled or disabled, the atomic weapons themselves, were some Disabled in these encounters do do you believe that that what

stated motivation of his was the primary goal or do believe there's something more to the story, but I believe that the concept of national defence, the primary goal. If we don't know how something is working in a second, our nation, then it is a priority, so yeah You believe in general that the idea was a. How do we protect ourselves from vehicles and technologies that are far beyond our shut down our nukes at any moment? But let's get specific about that? I just have lunch the other week with Robert Salus Robert Sellers, within command of ten minute men intercontinental ballistic missiles when at his base, mills from AIR Force Base a UFO came in observe. This is all now public information through Folia, we

This information and you have a glowing red. Your vote came in over the days and it shut down, can independent system, and we know specifically, what does you about target, which is the global positioning system disabled we just disabled them- and this is not an isolated event. This happened within seven days on another base here in Amerika and also we now know in Russia. At the same time, do you ever technologies flying with him coming over the most just secure, nuclear missile bases, are top weaponry in America and Russia and its effortlessly shutting down our technologies by targeting the positioning system? Now there is a problem. This is a problem whether it is benevolent and their thing don't play with fire, or if this is some sort of display of power, which it certainly was so yes

do you believe the motivation is national security? Reed was quoted in saying. I am glad that this happened. Because now we have scientific proof or This revelation was revealed to the public and thus our strong words A politician who is one of the primary job seems to be Bob's, obfuscation or like trying to kind of deceive the public in some way or like you now is a pretty bold sentiment coming from a career politician? Can you speak to that are aware of how do you feel about that quote here? Why look perspective because he did it with black budget money, and this is not even push through. Congress is not asked for. This is money that is created and follow them to these special act. Programmes where you know again, most Congress person will have no idea about these programmes are what's going on. There.

Here they are not in the need to know, even if they have the classification. So I did this is these are strong words, but it's really just the beginning of it. There's a lot. Read. Not explaining the reason Harry Red got interested in this subject at all because of the Bob was our story and being in about a politician would talk with George Nap, and so he Bob was, our story is true, and he learned that this is something the Ici technology or foreign technologies. If we don't really have a handle on and then it was upon- and this is something that people don't know again, it's upon understanding the skin Walker story that really motivated Harry read because he read George now spot it motivated him to take this issue. More seriously and try to initiate funding for because he thought scientifically if we can get a handle on this, even a glimpse the dishes.

Biggest thing that has ever happen to national debt and humanity. So, yes, I think it's a powerful statement. It also powerful, didn't you. That is article entity admitted to the advanced av aerial threat, asian programme, that is the modern day project blue and it, not ended in two thousand twelve, like stated the, It ended with the partnership with Robert Bigelow, a big lower airspace to studies, gonna walk a ranch, and on that note we do have to emphasize yes, Harry Reed was not acting alone. And I he did have support from at least two other senators went public TED Stevens and you're in a way from, alas, and why and of course the founder The glue, aerospace, Robert T, bigger no long time listeners, you will recall previous So it's examining project blue book and you

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Ok, we're back now generally, when I think about the study of Ufos, I think about governmental organizations in things like project Bluebook, I do not usually think about a private for profit organization having a hand in you know either. Government contract to study, ufos or aerial phenomena or being paid in any way by a government entity In this case, we do have a private aerospace organization, Bigelow Airspace, and can you What do you know, Germany, about their involvement with this whole thing is absolutely fascinating, visiting it shuts move by our United States government, it's like when they put facility on native american or saw or nation land where they can they dont have you act as if there you know under jurisdiction of the federal government they can do things outside.

The parameters that are usually on them, so using private industry is the oldest trick in the book and that's what we saw with the partnership between Bigelow Aerospace and actually they D. I added felt intelligence agency, the intelligence agency within the branch of the Pentagon. So this is exactly what happened. There was a contract put out for this twenty two million to study what was going on specifically at and walk around, but the anomalous aerial vehicles and glow, already had an interest in this and how to property of high activity United Government, wanted to understand this technology and if it was indeed other worldly, and if that is the national security problem, so that shielding that they got through using private industry, because you cannot send a freedom of action

not to private industry. Are you going to the d I yes partnering with Bigelow was really the way that they were able to shield themselves from public scrutiny to try to get a handle on what's going on dude, for we get crazy at is have a quick question. I know Harry reads retiring soon: and there is talk. You know he was a big. He was really against the whole Yucca Mountain nuclear waste repository in Nevada and now ass on Article Santa because he's retiring that could go forward with without him there in a kind of guard against. If I'm wondering if figures, since he was in such support of this program, you think him retiring will now deflated anyway, No, actually, I don't think they carried retiring with the fleet. The programme, because we're talking about a twenty two million programme which is like to our military, spends more on via Agora for soldiers than it has twenty two million per year, and this is over

You know seven years, maybe so it's really funny. This topic is studied through every branch of our military in every intelligence organization. The studies are ongoing. So did there's no deflating this. It's just were hearing about a piece of it. Don't worry our governments on this and one of the things that war here. I win. People bring up that that number that twenty two million is usually here. People say well, that's two million out of a six hundred billion annual budget rhyme. Nor I love that statistic about my Agora taken just introduced as to which is my first, I'm hearing it this This argument to buzz supporters seems misleading because it could it it's sort of circumvents the concept of black bag, budgets or it circumvents the concept of untrue

What money, which we know is a real phenomenon, not just in the Department of Defense, but in other world militaries and intelligence agencies- and we have to ask with, though, with knolls earlier question deflation, we have to ask what else we don't know that A programme like this continue. What does it lead to? What other pathways in this rabbit hole. And most immediately Jeremy is this where it gets crazy. You I would say this is certainly work. It's crazy! I'm gonna tell you a few points right now that I think, the public is not picking up on at its very important pick up on them and they will blow your mind. So yes, here is where I get crazy. So first of all, the programme did not end what there

You is that that twenty two million dollar program that Little programme did the contract is now over since two thousand twel. But the study of your phone is still one of the poor Mary studies that everybody looking at me like United Militaries adult start to believe that it end it did not end now, also dizzy that we talk about the tick Tock event Series the week long series that was not an anomaly. It's a trend, the Tik Tok either was not an isolated event. The other video that was put out by the Pentagon was called the Gimble video something people don't now or very few people now is it the Gimble video was from a completely separate set of events off of the EAST coast of California in two thousand to so these frequencies there are

creasy of these Tik Tok, the similar things and undertake tacky then also there are multiple tick tax and there was a: U S. Own identified submerged object. That was, earning the water underneath the planes they're fine, looking to kick pack, it was said, Tiktok seem to be talking in quotes docking with the. U S out does not isolated that the government it is something else that work is crazy, that they d I did, I ate a depressing told you: the agency was the one in charge of this programme twenty two million dollars? So we're talking about a major intelligence agency within the United States in the article summing up another point people didn't really take up on. There were alloys. There were. Did your skin

You know, do to protect the information and actual objects at Bigelow airspace. Las Vegas about these were being held, their foreign to say it nicely foreign. Technologies or alloy. So you know you up all alloys and the we're we're? Gonna learn a lot about and the next year or so is there? I'm a glaring or be thou like how do we now did they weren't created on earth by another nation, to keep your eyes out? For that and don't forget that was set in the article they wish warehousing alloys. They also mention really briefly, emissions a leak about medical staff, for free you ate ear, unidentified fine objects are you, others were able column encounters by our government and military now to their medical studies on individuals prolonged you AP, unidentified.

Phenomenon encounters that companies are. Hopefully, we will learn more about now talk about demon than for going to wear. It gets crazy that the programme was stopped because people were scared, being in your being this all being on the front page of any news report, because some people believe this is not the worst, Aliens are rets, but it was in fact demonic. This is true within our intelligence agencies. People believe this and I didn't want to buy some of your time because they believed it was demonic. That is true it is crazy. So I mean I don't know what it is, but that is wild. The other thing is the skin Walker Ranch connection have not been flashed

and I'm making a movie on making a movie to show those connections between these recent. You have only than the twenty two million and Skin Walker Ranch connection and for that kind of leads us to that. But all of that to me, as while yeah agreed in one thing: it's one thing is interesting when you mention that people with in the government and some of people in Uncle sands employ felt that there were religious or spiritual implications about that we know that can sound insane folks, but we to remember that, regardless, what someone's occupation is, what role is there still a human being and they move by these human? relations so someone takes it lives. Interprets the threat seriously enough right, then they will feel that is a moral.

Parity of to report it. So this, while just hearing what you heard just now might sound like creepy part. On the internet. The fact is that these were real people. These were genuine government employees who voicing these concerns, Neander sing it through their own lands right, which is nothing with that- and I dont know the ultimate truth. If anybody says they know the ultimate truth, they're lying but aid, but that that perspective is is worthy of an individual where religious faith to say this is my concern. What we are witnessing is the act of the guy, here the EU. These are not aliens. This is demonic and that, in fact, halted progress on these studies. It did, which is pretty in tat. Well, let's talk a little bit more. That's about skin Walker Wretch, while we're here, because one

that you can say for sure about skin worker ranch, whether you are turning in his as a dyed in the wool believer about a very specific aspect of it or whether you can suit yourself, a genes ray he sceptic. You can easily admit that scheme the ranch is the subject of intense controversy. Since we about on that randy one of the messianic figures of the internet. Sceptic movement had said that he had deemed robber big lose purchase of skin walk ranch as a useless study are useless investigation, whereas other people have sworn. They have seen incredibly anomalous activity, such as cattle mutilation. Rape knows strange, strange objects, the sky and what what we were

hoping to ass? You do as as you're are due to expert on this. Could could you give our listeners a over you are his skin Walker Ridge as Ok I'll just go to the chase. Will what go on there. Man, it's a great question. In its easy to throw stones, MIKE James Randi at Robert Bigelow Thing, it's useless or whatever, but you know what our defence intelligence agency did not think it was useless. In fact, skin walk around was the subject of the most intense. Scientific study of Europe, those and the paranormal by our United States government in history. So wasn't just one eccentric billionaire. Putting his money behind that now we know that now we know there was a partnership made with the eye, so people can throw stones and say that sounds ridiculous and I agree it sounds ridiculous.

But you wouldn't do a prolonged study at a place if there wasn't scientific information and data that you were getting, let it be classified or not. So, let's talk less can walk ranch. The bullet points. In eighteen. Ninety eight real estate mobile may billionaire robber Bigelow a big lower airspace. He purchased the four hundred and eighty acre ran, in north eastern. You talk to use as it leaving laboratory to study the you ever phenomenon and historically, just to put it out there, this location or or this whole you went to has been inundated with bizarre phenomenon, goin on tat generation, so Bigelow just wanted answers to them. You know some big questions in and he was determined to find them, regardless of the cost. What happened at the ranch historically know, what's claimed to lurk in the shadows, goes far beyond ufos bizarre events,

range from a perplexing a whole, a terrified, vanishing and mutilated cattle, unidentified flying objects, huge otherworldly creatures appear in flying or everything under the sun like a grab bag of bizarre is it is what was reported by scientists and locals in this area for Jetta and one family at this wretch their life. Where it was under siege by these unknown enemies or entities, and nothing could explain it and they thought maybe science could and in enters robber big alone, he employed a cracked him up, Do you ever find is to conduct a long term investigation into the reports of the phenomenon and the team with tasks to use the ranch this living laboratory Bigelow downwards in the EU in today's him, and they could

Leon with rigour they studied the ranch and what they encountered during that study with test their beliefs their sense of reason and that's: what's gonna walk ranches. Laboratory in the most find it. We studied hotspot, harem hot body in history and our government was involved and we're gonna get deeper into this story. After a quick word from our sponsor Here's the thing: saving money with Geico was almost better than playing pick up basketball because there's always that guy joint your game ever passes the rock he constantly Rex theories and who completely happy with put his hands up and say no foul, no foul with Geico, it's easy to switch save on car insurance, no need Fagin, ankle sprain, because you're absolutely exhausted. So

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Things that he did, what he earned the trust of those involved by keeping his mouth shut and being able to on location. You know dozens and dozens of time and working with the scientific teams to just have a journalistic standpoint on it. That way, maybe he could make a documentary or revealed a thin phone he's out little bits and pieces, but now that the ranch has changed hands, all of that has been altered. We can now tell this story so poking prodding in trying to get the info. Nation and what he's collected in sorting correlating it. That's what I've been doing for the last couple years and wow what I've been covered through. This is truly shocking and interesting so that led me to want to make a movie on it. Ok, so George Nap had these documents, and it appears that he was under some kind of non disclosure agreement and that's the journey india he wasn't allowed to talk for a while. Yet journalistic attic is more

if you're let in to observe and look at something- and your set, your told you know as a journalist date is not the time to talk about this, but I want it kind of recorded for history, we're not talking. I just documents were also talking about footage, actual footage that goes back twenty years. So this is something that he kept his word as a journalist did a moment. He break that people no longer trust him. Do it their source for him, so he kept his word and he did not leak any information, although he did report on it from time to time. In the capacity he could even wrote a book on hunt for the scheme to offer great book it'll get up to date on what happened there, so he was able to put some stuff out, but the meat of it yeah he had two is a human burden as a journalist who had to sit on it and those that time have now gone and up, and that was a burden that you were also shouldering before for your time, research,

in this, this upcoming work. One thing that's interesting, I know a lot of a lot of us in the audience are going to ask in it's completely fine. If this incomplete understandable does a question that shouldn't be, answered on air. You mentioned that robber, bigger no longer owns skin walk ranch that it was acquired by another party. Do we know who that party is and do they wish to bring remain anonymous or the affiliated with the government in any way, etc. The product is not the new owner of can walk ranches. The new owners can or is not affiliated with the government to the best of my knowledge and a day, new owner desires, to remain out of the public. I show I respect that again journalistic integrity in this

go beyond that, but yeah that there is new ownership and that an interesting, ok, this I'm really glad we got that out into the Oh, I also wanted to well nor I wanted to follow up on something that we have been thinking about. Four years- and I know you're on the same page with us here and that's the large concept of disclosure, capital de disclosure- and this is to catch up, this. Is the idea that there would be some good, Billy recognised, acknowledge and of either evidence of. Actually, rest reels visiting in the past evidence of extra terrestrial life, even if it has contacted earth or something like that, you see this, it's meant by the Pentagon regard how much still remains classified you see. This is a step towards that. Do you believe that

closure- is an impending phenomenon- noticed where's, your will not happen. People would go to jail. It would also be very damaging to the world in general. However, confirmation is something that appears we would. They were inching towards to set some people even believe me. We ve had confirmation if you really read and understand a talk with the people, involved here from the news reports. Do you know that the television energies, but I think it is very important- understand disclosure? the capital, be that is a fantasy people would go to jail. Feed additives cometh as we are. We are in fact being visited by extra terrestrial than we have been Ok, here's all the information we ve been reverse engineering, their technology or attempting to that is that people would would go down. For that said that not gonna happen. But what might happen and appears we are entering toward his compromise,

the idea that painters there there are unknown and these are they have to be piloted if it's what it appears, although all the evidence shows these are not being from other star systems visiting us, but in fact it much more complex than that really what the evidence shows but yeah. I believe we're inching towards confirmation of what we do know to a degree, but no no disclosure of the capital data. That is never going to happen. In my opinion, Well, that's disheartening journey because I've been waiting a long time already give no, I'm just going to tell you that I guess I'll bet with reason damn toward totally joining, but it's like you know they released they. They do ten to release stuff years and years and years later, when it seems

you, maybe, is irrelevant for actual living humans like things about the Kennedy assassination and stuff, but I feel like here. I agree with you. It doesn't seem like the government. Does things like that for any other reason than to placate full and not actually to inform right or to get what they want. Remember the elephant in the room here is it His crowd operate on the on the last show with you, I said. The only one thing we know about your vote is a huge amount of energy in a very small amount of space site. Typically, we know that so now we're looking again at his feet,

technology is like the moment the you learn how to make a nuclear reactor for power. You you, you cannot and learn how to make a nuclear bomb, so the weapon innovation potential of these technologies are so powerful that, for all the good things that could do for us, it could be a very destructed. It would be a very destructive technology into tat. The open in the room. How ok I'm going back to the twenty two million dollars, because I think this is an important point in a kind of touches on disclosures. Well, the f, a teen super hornet that Commander David Favour was flying when he saw the tick Tock UFO incident. The price tag on that vehicle. If you are going to be

in twenty seventeen there, of course, was two thousand for it would be seventy million dollars and you're imagining that that single jet that that single pilot was flying. That observed a UFO. His several times more than the entire operating budget for a programme for me that spells smokescreen or perhaps almost have front or of disinformation and of some sort in some way. That's why that's what it feels like to me in my gut, and I just wonder if you have encountered anything like,

It would make you think, there's something fishy going on. Why me? The only thing fishy going on, as it were, not being told where our tax dollars are being spent on board, is not being acknowledged, that this is a high priority, the again that twenty two million is just a drop in the budget. That's what's a drop in the bucket that that's what's so funny about this! There are programme in every branch of our military in every intelligence agency. I can tell you that with definitive fact, so this little tiny drop is part of an ocean of financing that goes towards trying to understand these fierce technologies Joshua. So I guess I just have. I have worries about it being some time. Does this information or Counter intelligence programme to cover up just advanced testing it, because he knows that whole? I want to believe thing.

I'm nervous that may be. Somebody is pulling my leg. Even all the way up to the hairy reads, just so that something else can be covered up lad I would be, then I mean that would be a wild truth if, if that were indeed Can we always do need to look at that because our government historically had been Really good at thing. Look at the left hand what I'm doing something with a right have, but indeed these are. This is not a smoke screen. The best of my knowledge I mean these are things being observed by trained fighter pilots by witnesses all around the world for centuries, and so this phenomenon is real. We, not understand it deeply from a government level, but they do want to know as much as they can. I it is outside the scope of

I imagine nation essentially telling the public that these things are happening is somehow gonna benefit the budget or benefit the the inner the needs of the government. I think people that have come forward are just like you and me. They believed this is worthy of proper investigation and the american public should now well said well said Jimmy this. This brings us to another question that we we always want to who, when we're talking about currently unfolding events, and this can go where, wherever you see fit, what do you see the near or mid future. I guess consequences

be too strong. A word about the d: the results for the ripples of this announcement, wiping it's gotta be followed up, and I think that if we can get to the point where the public really understand, I mean gosh, the public was so interested. When that your times article came out, I mean it just blasted up. This is a topic. Everybody, if you have it here, a curious bone in your body. You you have to be interested in this is just a matter of the double than the deed. Who really trying to read and see what's going on, I think that, once alloys are presented to the public, the Ark literally not made by human hand because of the perfect atomic layering of elements that should not be able to be fuse together and then the property of these alloy, how they interact with our known physics, in slightly different ways. If that is shown, if that is shown in a big way to major media, you will have to ask yourself who made them

citing slowly and over time, remember were being promised more videos by the Tom Delong Conglomerate really incredible: intelligence and evasion, people and the people like anything. There are more video. The third one is promised. I happen to know that there are a lot more videos there were classified show. The question is what the public and to be exposed to slowly and what will the questions be? What will the public ask and asking the right questions that I have learned through this type of work is the most important in the near future. I think it's just getting the public to ask the right questions in a big way and it's gonna take a trip by Europe. More information coming out to get us there have one last serious question: are these videos going to be lost blink one? Eighty videos, you'd hope better

you certainly money is on its knees? I did I do here that he is doing interesting things with his fortune and through those hours, Iccat yeah. That's really fascinating, I'm I'm I'm being a jerk, but I think it's really interesting that he's taking the money and like trying to do something interesting when area He is working with that, as as we set aside, published government figures. Many, many retired by you, legit intelligent Agency defence folks, like Chris Melon, for instance, I believe, is working with them. Is that correct we ll? Let me clarify Joe Tom, along awake. When eighty two got together group of government officials who are all on the same page and scientists to try to wine get more info. Not like Lou Elizondo is on its borders, did get up to video so far, declassified to us so

for time. I'm rooting for Tom had nothing to do with. It is music or anything like that, just as an individual trying to move the needle for here successfully done that, and hopefully will continue doing that. Of course, there are other aspects to this project, which is another promised through funding. You noted your money from Vienna from people who crowd funding, to try to emulate or semi or or making some of these technologies actually function, and I dont know about that. I dont know if that's gonna work. No the implications of that you know, there's scepticism on that, but I think what he has done is heroic at the people together, good group of people put in the forefront, use his name and his face is passport. To get more information out. I applaud him for that show. I think we just need to separate that from the other endeavours of his group. Let's look at what he has done so yeah. I applaud him for that again,

We are all colleagues in a much bigger wheel. The big news flash here is, if we're being visited by technology. Craft of unknown origin not made here on earth who is piloting the and what is their intention that the big question and then I would. I would only add to that, to what end the army. I it's a serious, that's a serious concern, because Human history, at least, has taught us typically one civilization with technological advantage, the period meets a another civilization? Things do not end well and if we a case where, where there would be some sort of contact from beyond our terrestrial plain. We can only hope that this would not follow the precedent set by humanity right, sir,

is in fact, where it gets weird. I have a little theory that I called at the clock. You oppose our clockwork orange and its debate theory that we may not be witnessing just beings from other star systems. Engaging humanity would cry, did appear to be foes but in fact we may be experience in any I or some sort of artificial intelligence is giving us, learning programme, overtime to acclimate us to the ideas of high technology could give you look through. You are both accounts all throughout the centuries, you'll see that the what people are engaging in saying, goes far beyond his craft in the sky like in the sky, but in fact there are much more complex interaction that human tab from

information to you, no technology, that just beyond the cost, but what we have at the time, so that information is changing over the centuries and I think that we may be interacting with something far stranger than just being so another planet, other people from another planet well said, and speaking of stranger, things not an average, your folks by speaking of a stranger strangers, subjects and topics it is something that we wanted to bring up we'll be remiss if we didn't mention this or explore it at some point, our time with you today and I now I'd like to ass. The honors to you in this regard, you mentioned a name that just gonna get peppered in as we ve been talking Bob Lazard. This is a this is a physicist too

working at several laboratories, at least I have to say allegedly here, because you're you have your taking Bob losers word over me, no other other peoples, but he worked amongst other places area fifty one according to him, and he was witness to a lot of the things that we ve been talking about, today, other alien, alien craft, alloys, metals, this kind of thing, and you you got to talk to him yeah. After many years, as is always the kind of a dream of mine. After many years of time, knowing Bob becoming friends, we have had the chance to go, really deepen Edison eventually, he said, but you know, let's do it. You're right people have twisted. My story suggest to get people up today. Bottles are, is the most important and key individual in the hole you up.

History and more. He has certainly influence the of a culture. You know with his story more than one particular individual, and he wants you to put the word allegedly in front of anything. You say about him because he wants you to use your brain. He is giving you his story and telling you you should decide if what he's telling his true now, after thirty years of telling his story and not changing it, we now have a different land. In order to look at the store in that I've been doing. I've been contacted witnesses that have never been contacted. I've been talking with Bob and getting him to go and talk about things. He's never been able to or never talked about. So the basic story is, it Bob says he studied alien propulsion and alien proportions for the? U S, military in nineteen, eighty nine and he came forward on the news with George Map and told everybody about it, arabic

one flying saucers from another world than a programme to create a fierce technology that is Bob's claim, and this is where we stand now- he's really pretty main thought, he'd, nothing from the upper world has ever done anything good for his life and you you only know that when you get closer to bother as a person to see who he is what his care there is and how it really has negatively influenced like just telling his story. That will be up to you to judge based on the evidence and based on getting to know him personally through the phone. If you believe problems are and a story, but the big question is: if Bob is telling us the truth, then what and so thats what I hope to address in this. Bob claims he worked at a sub base of Arafat to uncalled for in eighteen, eighty nine. There was a place with nice,

Hangers and nine flying saucer type crowd. He was able to work on wine and its propulsion system, which operated allegedly offered element. One fish, in a stabilized version where they had a rice topic. Stabilized it and he said, gravity is a wave and it works of gravity amplification. The most interesting thing this weapon eyes. My curiosity, the way the disproportion work does not really propulsion, you don't push thrust out the back. You distort time space by amplifier graduate and fall instantly in little jumps into a place. You don't need to travel ass in this be a light. So his claims are the he worked on trying to understand this system for our government and he actually got to see allegedly the inside of what he called the sports model, which was really sleek. Looking you up, and he said it was

prominent how who, unfortunately, I think we're running out of time guys. So we really we're gonna have to just go on our own and Learn more about this in our own journeys is where is the best place to go and find your films for anybody? Listening all my thumb can be found at extraordinary beliefs, calm. Currently, my phone patient seventeen is available on Netflix as well as I do in Amazon Xbox all that stuff. What I encourage everybody to do is go deep into the bottomless. Our story now type it in ask your Google voice device, who is Bobo's r and d start looking into it, because I will putting out the definitive documentary on his story and life within the year. Two thousand eighteen towards the end of it, a lot will be revealed so go research. Catch up, and hopefully we can touch base were right before that film.

Dropped to the public in us for listeners. There are two great articles about the main stuff we were talking about today. With this government programme, there is one on the New York Times we mentioned, and then there is one politico anything we talked about as well. You had something to do with the political peace that you say. No, I would able to know about what was going on ahead to studying the TIC tac his for two years, so is intimately involved and knowing how this is going to play out to the public, but you're not really important it just kind of cool If the from both absolutely is also interesting to read these stories from these very De just news organisations and to see the way they handle stuff that you don't typically see dealt with by organisations like the so it's it's pretty was pretty interesting. Canadian, especially when it turned into a the New York Times, have follow up article where they did. What am I favorite moves that happens often in journalism. They started report

on how they reported the story. Oh yes, so not here for story itself and then portal of dark matter, opened up and swallowed the entire near at times by the way, speaking Netflix. Have you guys seen the clue? Warfield paradox yet, not good ah have they haven't seen it yet plasma heartache have you haven't seen yet we ve heard about it, but while you're Netflix, so you can, as you mentioned, check out patients continue can also check out earlier episode on implants with Jill. Me! You know. That was the first time we had you on the show and just like we said, then we greatly appreciate the time. Thank you so much for coming in giving our friends and neighbors listeners in the audience conspiracy, realist a peak behind the curtain. And I'm really glad that you said

I'm really glad that you encourage people to dive into this on their own wing candy expect to see the next Phil on bottles are about come come out at the end of two thousand eighteen, but I will have one coming up before and that will be the one on skin Walker, Wretch and so look for my thumbs this year. Absolutely and thanks gentlemen for having me on. You certainly do provide a show telling people giving people information at that They don't want you to know, and I really appreciate that you do that extra help me on and just great work a pleasure. We'll see you again soon, Sir, Jeremy Coronel. Ladies and gentlemen, and thus in our episode for two but not ours should never fear Matt nor Paul, and I will be back very soon with something strange unnerving, hopefully fascinating. And in the meantime we'd like to hear from you, you could find us on. Instead,

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