From the old stories of Viking Berserkers to the rise of the Assassins and more, humanity has spent millennia using drugs as a way to explore spirituality, repair the body -- and, sometimes, to gain an edge in combat. But how prevalent was this practice? How does it continue in the modern day?
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We are talking about something that may affect
some of our listeners in a in a personal way today were
talking about the military and drug use, a specific
drug use as sanctioned by military forces. So far,
it's not that,
illegal use of marijuana, opiates, heroin, etc. In Vietnam, for instance, more like this
sponsored use of speed by several different militaries during world war. Two
Jeanne drugs to enhance ones. Performance is an ancient ancient Kapital letter ancient Practice and over the centuries institutions encourage the use of all sorts of drugs,
from his she shall go to
simply some of those it has come to make a sit there slack Jordan, not do much fear me now: murder, murderous rage.
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Those are the ones that makes sense to me. You know that they can give you that they enhance that fight or flight mentality and kind of
tune your reflexes a little bit, whereas things like marijuana and downers seems to me would possibly make you more sluggish, unnecessarily be much help in common
situations, but what he's were reminds me of the Youtube video Series that I was a super fairer for about a week which was,
The doing Axon Sylvia Series view
scenario, big money, failure year, we weird you would I watch that. I think that you may have introduced me to accompany fan of the gentlemen. It makes the videos he's got you a razor wit. So,
So yes to your point, no that reminds me of those video series, because the entire point bit of that
That series is that when people do Sylvia their fears
we useless for a minute
Asia song by the ban, oyster head, which is a combination of Primus
and ass to cope on the drama from the police
armies on ecstasy, and it makes me think of his life
does the army's on ecstasy. So they say I rent
about it in USA. Today they stepped up your intention
to make it go away because his heart
to kill the enemy on old and demand. That now- and I that's
It's a great quotation. I will. I will follow that up with a quotation from William to come, Sir Sherman, who said
the person, we most often contribute with saying wars- hell
Julie during wartime individuals on all sides, every side will tend to commit crimes and atrocities. This include stuff like assault, yes and theft.
Of innocence and, of course, drug,
to either numb the mind or as an attempt to self medicate.
Were exploring. Today is a long established, often unacknowledged pattern in military history.
We met no, and I are not in any way condoning the use of performance, enhancing drugs or the possible for diction inherit in these substances, draw
do not care, whether you civilian, a veteran or currently serving in the armed services of any nation there is help
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A problem we feel yourself headed in that direction and will guarantee you your life is worth it
their disclaimer, but
instead of just going into the usual facts, were statistics today.
Let's just admit the the amount of drug use and militaries is
In saying this is already where things get crazy.
But we said this is an ancient practice where we didn't say how ancient it was that
cause. Oddly enough drug used in past civilizations was not treated. The way it is in the modern day was not condemned and vilified. It was they who are for the course for a less sure and in various different drugs were treated in in this way for them.
Likely, because modern science is kind of showed us.
The dangerous effects of drugs can be. If, like you take to me
too much of a drug or if you take drugs in combination with one another or if you have certain other health risk,
and then you take a drug resin olden times. It was more like blue at you. This leaf Americans see around corners, Slovenia and it could also be treated as medicine, and it was often in the past years
mushroom the taught me about religion for consciousness. Right, I saw the
that that's really good point, because first
not all drugs are created. Equally, not all of these external substances applied to the human body have the same effects, nor they have the same dangers, right dangers or short term benefits.
But we do know what goes way way way way way back and, of course, as you know, the further back in time we go the more
the goals it is to discern parse and alter
they decipher the of the evidence that we find
Would you know, though, that the earliest records of drug use in general,
millennia so in
thousand b c e? We have record that the Sumerians used opium and this
strongly indicated by the fact that they had an audio grim for it
which translated to something meaning joy or rejoicing, yeah
Think for the Sumerians was for people could afford
a social wide thing saw its, it was almost like, are not it wasn't.
Just stay military use and it may have been sort of an off time offline.
Mission thing for militaries. If these it weird
amazed
they had opium at that time they think
no. The three of us have talked about it off ere. I dont know if we ever talked about on air, but I
always been just flapper guy
stood
in a way impressed
these fascinated by the
mechanisms that humanity is discovered, do drugs, like I wouldn't
stand your I understand eating a leaf.
Two earlier example, and going whoa. This knocked me on my keister, but
the idea of someone say like hold on a second
you know those those things grow in our outside. I will cut them not night.
To learn not like chopped them up. I'm gonna cut them in
led, the sort of lay taxi substance for a little while,
oh, why, unlike hold on I'm, not done then ominous scrape it off with a thing
and then I'm gonna like through a through a process of dried distillation concentration. Oh, I am also going to invent a syringe.
Wait. What's that, unlike the hold on hold on, let me keep going
and then
take a spoon and there, like oh yeah, I've heard a spoons like one of those
I'm gonna heated up
on this substance. I made an emerald
in this range and the like again with the syringes. What are you talking like? Look, I'm not done yet. I'm gonna put it
My veins, that's a lot of work to figure that out. It seems like the same kind of process. You would go through for any scientific discovery where it sort of piggybacking where they may be one person, eight, the poppy. They realise that it had a quality, but they thought
b. I can get more out of it. Somebody down the line was like. Maybe I can get more and more perfect way to extract whenever it is about this. That makes me feel the way I feel
and then over the years I mean I'm sure that process certainly didn't pop up overnight.
You know the first person than ever sniffed a drug that was actually
all right. There is some kind of dust in the air and they just whence nobody don't know. We did that on purpose. Like that's a good boy that do I agree, I agree, but it's like you know the same way. You accidently figure out how to make fire
Only then can you figure out the best method of delivery overturned.
He tried to gradually
the process, more refined- yes, no just
I'm sure a lot of people died along the way editorial note, for everybody were using heroin as an example.
And I'm sure a lot of people died along the way editorial. No,
Everybody were using heroin as an example
will but injectable heroin, but injectable heroin was not invented until eighteen, seventy four, so these folks were doing just some form of opium.
I am weirdly enough. This predates
the earliest historical record of alcohol, which comes from Egypt.
Kinds of thirty five hundred BC
from yeah. Egyptian pyrrhus shows that there is a brewery, that's kind of cool yeah.
It's all its essentially fermentation right to do so.
After wonder, yet maybe opium at that point was an easier drugs.
Consumer- needs your substance to consume
We also know that use of hallucinogens or magic, mushrooms and particulars thought to date back thousands of years. This rule
It's too another theory which, as we know a lot of you, love out their folks. I it's
the idea that civilization itself or numerous religions were found yet discovered. During these ritual eyes, drug trips
The idea that the deities people warship or the
origin of what we call consciousness. The mats point come
from the intense introspection brought on by hallucinogenic the other stone leap. Fury fingers,
They call. That is why we
don't you now, but there were some. I remember reading that some
we'll find Jesus was actually a magic mushroom. It was all in allegory for magic, mushroom, right, yeah,
people were communicating in these sort of anthropomorphic symbolic terms,
its being of chewing leaves evidence shows the people of men
shooting and eating the leaves of a plant called the beetle since it
twenty six sixty BC. This particular point
contains chemicals that are have stimulant affection of euphoria,
inducing properties sort of like maybe a coca leaf,
these days are mostly consumed in Asia.
And this brings us to the allegations of drug use in ancient fighting forces, which is which is a fascinating topic in a lot of. It is difficult to prove
So we are entering the area of professional academics, arguing with each other back and forth against conferences. You have been warned her
yes, each Wanna do one,
sure you can. I start yeah. Please do so many view. Other probably heard of bizarre occurs. Maybe
From a video game like myself or from
reading historical documentation or from that song in clerks. The movie
but as a whole, doo doo, Doo, Doo, doo Doo bears so historical observers were infamous Viking warriors, and there are these fearsome guys who address in skins of animals like bearers and according to history.
They would attack friend were foe with this insane veracity and tenacity of just like
they're gonna go at anything, that's near them that they can perceive as possibly a threat if any,
been watching West world. There is a great example of a berserker, I think in two of us
with the research from the last one, a guy
huge, huge helping guy with, like, like a mass gone with florins wielding this giant absurd club than only like of superhuman Newton could wheeled or be now a Viking on drugs
Host but one of the one of the more popular theories about these bizarre-
strength and the friends of the day,
could muster. Was there under influence of some kind of substance, some kind of drug
of all the experts who believe this theory, the art,
who's the we sure what sort of drug this would have been
for my mind, goes to pc p, but I'm fairly certain than that's not what they were on. Who knows what they could have been ingesting if they were in fact doing so they then,
the gases range from
synthetic mushroom
Tom scarier or massive amounts of alcohol.
It's interesting. There is that some of that would fit in with
practical usage or ritual usage. Excuse me, but always we think, of.
Hallucinogenic trips were or the behaviour that sort of stuff induces a creates,
a translator state, but not typically a violent one. Also,
there have been accounts that people would follow
to these states when they were doing non more like behaviour, suggest
seeing doing
wax smithing work, ravaging the shipyard effecting ship, carving fixing ships a great example and
one of the other explanations was that may be. There was self induced hysteria or epilepsy,
Mental illness, which is
serbian fastings implications, but by far the most
theory is that there was some sort of drug involved
maybe a combination me
a combination for sure and then
We have another example: fighting force, the infamous assassins,
more videogame stuff. He s.
Yeah. That movie looks good. Mrs green movie,
I don't even want to talk about why it
like the stuff of movies, is even allowed. Yes, it is.
Stuff, movies enemies, tat. We ve had a single good video game to movie adaptation. Citing were do one mother
try. It will also
man, the movie
that's the real deal, is those battleship which is based on a board game
ever since you with all my heart, as do the broken long, only is always my boy, a chess fastens Marco Polo,
Does the originator of many of the report's assassins from his travels in the the Orient say? Orient? Is out of courtesy,
I think in this stage year echo
so yeah he talks of the Tell tale
The old man of the mountain
sub. Ah, who would drug his young follower sort of liquor? Almost like a shower Lynn, Bracken monk, fighting instructor?
He would drug them with a leave.
To Paradise and then claim that only he had the means to allow for their return
perceiving that survey was either a profit or some sort of demon. Magician is this
was believing that only he could return them to. Paradise were completely committed to
Here's what you would ever it took to get that feeling again
were willing to carry out his every wish
and this is mentioned in bodily now, which is a fiction barrier
with historical truth peppered in there.
He had lino is by a northward named Umberto ECHO, and it's about
this guy who's just an absolute dirt bag, but he
rises to fame and examined some of the
The way that a grain of truth would give us.
Would give rise to an entire world of rumours and lies, but that one of the thing
they do mention in that book is the
paradise of the assassins where there
wherein there's a character says no. I saw these guys saying they went to Paradise, but what they were doing was disorder
standing there in chains doped up
So it's interesting the idea of compelling people to fight through what may have been some sort of Cyclops.
Psychological manipulation, obviously, but has to be
like it would have been more like something sugar like opium right, I mean
have to be some kind of dependency for them to have been so worried about getting back to that state, they would kill
and followed blindly hashish
you seem like you have as much as is much hold. That's just like that joke and half baked whenever guy goes to rehab for marijuana.
Believe me is a crazy strain you guys perhaps will
we we know that okay, so the origins of the assassins can be traced back to like tat
eighty or so ten.
Common era and most
most of the early sources of this movement,
unfortunately, were written by people who were enemies. Oh, you were based on some sort of like the Templars had allowed us I've written by their enemies
analyze the south to with the orders. Inner workings were destroyed in twelve,
fifty six, but
no said we. We know that the
originator. The calls me, I guess, the progenitor.
The patriarch of the movement, was the grandmaster hasn t saga,
We also know that mezzo american cultures have a long and story history of seeking enlightenment and enhance performance through the ingestion of drugs. However abroad
surprising for some people most I
introduce was either completely ritual or spiritual, stuff or
This rule in that car,
there was just a preponderance of differing drugs. The people
would use, and this.
This use of drugs. Despite changing cultural opinions like we live in a pretty prohibitive site society now
firstly to partially because a health concerns, but I would also argue more so, to control the flow of money and to control the status quo, or
legal system that has been set up here. Some people might disagree. I find with that
is just my opinion if you, if you feel that
We feel that price
vision, despite
the overwhelming evidence that it in no way works to the benefit of the public.
I would like, if you choose to believe that, despite the evidence, that's your opinion and you're welcome to it pardon my rats.
The drug you, the connection between drug use and military so has continued, albeit widely unacknowledged our current era. It was widely understood in in past errors right and wrong.
Centuries. I mean there's that time that bridge.
Got drunk and took over the world
live zombie flitted I mean they were drunk already they just.
So took over the world. Yes,
There is a noted his
were cool in
real level
can see of alcohol by the british empire. One example
from the napoleonic wars. During these words, alcohol use was encouraged among british troops as awaits
guard against disease
Thirdly, an too
boost morale. I mean I can imagine it doing- that rape, oil, alcohol, it'll, kill the germs yeah sure, because we do know uncle was used as almost painkiller.
The time when there were some kind of issue going on the battlefield you needed to be stitched up Poland that dimension, you think of the officers class in there.
You know clubs, they're they're kind of private clubs with their brandy in their cigars with their epaulettes in
their metals, and that is just part of the culture.
Above all it off the battlefield, things sure
Speaking of that sum, soldiers were known to spend a month's worth of wages on alcohol in one sitting
a guy just go in and go all out.
Drink your whole paycheck in one night at the bar lawyer gives you gonna go. You might as well go large large and go hard. You gonna buy around for the whole pub.
Also, teetotally hours were reviled known as I take offence of this by the way Methodists Letty take offense
Because I was a Methodist growing up. Meat was also a total ripen.
You drinking now, I'm drinking
This moment. Yes, it is
each have a yard of ale in front of US pressure with true
funny that you mention the idea of officers clubs, because there was a hierarchy there. Yes
officers had standing orders to avoid any drunken privates the lower ranking members of the military, because they often attack,
their superiors. Well, you know if you're drunk
and you're upset with your higher up because he made you do some things you didn't want to do his full steam
I can imagine that leading to some bad situation, let us also consider was not. They didn't,
the same code of
military behaviour that exists today, when these also in the days of vague, be pressing for firing squad for insubordination, yea, ever treason, yeah getting branded thing
because in the film paths of glory
see him up in a conversation with my friend the other night.
I only mention it because they does kind of show some of this.
Drinking culture in the british army, but faintly.
Maybe too early cubic movie, and it deals with a
with questions of morality when taking orders and its fabulous very, very ahead of its time. Like honestly, it's almost a precursor to doktor, strange love in in
sort of Lampert sort of the military system
The way people blindly take orders and then there's one character who caught his little difference, but it shows
hierarchy of the office is class, and it shows that on the ground drunk in this kind of vibe as well, so I had to get the interesting film for the swimmers like,
downturn Abbe upstairs downstairs. It is like that, but it's much more tongue in cheek and it's very, it's very sardonic, its excellent
We stated it out because what I think are continue with all this debauchery talk. We should have occurred.
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So we talked a little bit about the use of military military sponsored drug programmes, but
it would be remiss if we didn't mention the war's over drugs
one of the first that
dorians. Typically point two
be the series of conflict known as the opium wars wheat.
A little bit about this nor pie cast on the great game which you can check out at our
website stuff, they don't want you to know dot com. However,
Quicken dirty version China,
add many resources that the British Empire wanted China.
For why didn't bs absolutely, however,
the british Empire did not have very many resources that
China wanted they
Control Opium
Action so they became ass, an empire, this huge drug pushers, and
China's said stop
opium on our people
stewing terrible things, and then they fought a series of wars for that, because
It was ultimately as.
Every single war,
as eventually been it's over resources and they might disguise it is ideally to sucker other people. You have
If your eye, if you're interested in opium, were shaken our videos that we did on that topic there a couple rather extensive ones, I think one is almost eight minutes long and it goes through all the history of it. We also notice right notices to that. Cocaine has been used as an income stream for various militias and militaries, including facets of the. U S military eyes, shut out to Oliver North and the nicaraguan contrast Yan FARC Sue.
Were feeling was also used in the? U S: civil war. It was these stand out drug star of that it was used as a painkiller and get this to stave,
diarrhoea yeah, because diary is extremely dangerous at that time. In a fairly,
They'll be opiates. Give maple constipated when these it pretty rigour
well, there you go so to school.
Worked in that regard. People just
probably were as aware of Lee side of
Ex worthy, highly addictive nature, so hungry,
thousands of people returned from the war with
with an addiction. What's bias is like we're doing much earlier, where you kind of like www
a plunge headlong into these things, because they have an immediate effect. Whether you're in
early man chewing that leave and getting a burst of energy. Even if, as is right,
here's the civil war- you if you have a job,
that allows people to return to battle a return to the battlefield. You're gonna use it in you not really gonna think about the consequences, and that is a whole other problem that then springs up later, that you have to then deal with you, ve kind of created, an epidemic
and hopefully, yeah, hopefully, learn from the past which,
just do the story of the the bell of the ball when it comes to military, sponsor, drug use and that's speed, ice
methamphetamine,
the Heisenberg Blue. I'm just me
words up now. At this point, I know
you break down a little bit of the invention of Ev Amphetamine,
for us?
amphetamine was first synthesized in eighteen. Eighty, seven in Germany by a romanian chemist, the name of Lazard Adela New,
who named it.
Using this right feed,
I so propyl I mean
then a team. Ninety three, a job
he's chemist named the Guy Naga Yoshi Services
methamphetamine from effigy, which is still, I think, one of the
in precursors used today to make that, which is why people you
by those
by those over the counter pills,
They contained ephedrine and use it to create method
FED him and now, if anyone know what she's watch raking bad knows this or anyone who tradable bicycle medicine, you something
to sign a registry and at the very least you gotta get it from over the counter. You mean different behind the counter and his bite and off the rack. Yet it is apparent
people were driving around in by at first. There were no limits on how much one per
by then in some states people drive around and buying and multiple you. No gas station in pharmacies now they call them Smurfs and now and breaking bad the people to go around and get the pseudo effigy wow as their job is still, I gotta go Bolivar far. They have to go to get the right amount to make the the bats
he forgot about that they call them Smurfs. What is a sure, yes keep talking about, you know, but he ensued breaking then breaking it.
I got you like friends right. Yes, it's like friends, but we're ok
But with work methods reference, the best friends
in nineteen thirty four companies Smithkline and French began selling amphetamine as an inhaler under the trade name. Bins adrenal was designed as a decongestant. Oh
what is in it, it took off again
we we have to remember. I swear
points made earlier that.
The people who were peddling. These are necessarily bad people in any way there, just
it's not as aware of the past
abilities of what could happen in there's lots
profit to be, and there is a definite profit motive. There,
in arguable evidence indicates that both the axis and the allied powers used speed on a routine basis during world war. Two
Yeah there's a substance that was used under the brand name
sounds. A little strange. Perverting permeating
p r b eighty ion initially. This is intended only to be dispensed to military drivers on the front lines with Poland and the german side, correct, guess what what
that didn't last between
Berlin July of nineteen, forty more than thirty five million tablets of protein, and I so fan this is a slightly
fight version that was produced by another company. Thee were shipped
german army and airforce, so
a lot of them while and just
if asked before we move on
thinking about drivers using some kind of upper in that way and adjust just reminds me of tail
I have heard from truck drivers who have to go across country
in a fairly short amount of time, or at least as fast as possible, right to stay awake when you're driving twelve fourteen sixteen hours
right. We know that we we know that
in many
civilian occupations, where there is
large amount of time that require some sustained focus, uppers of one sort or another or common. You can go to a truck stop across America's in
states and find
various things purporting to be legal speed,
the difference here. Is that
this was a military, condoning it
enforcing it in private partnership, the people in charge a pervert team were making so much money hand over fist in one of the heartbreaking things about. This is the
can read letters from the front line.
To you like these are younger soldiers writing to their parents, saying I'm! Ok, war is hell, but here I am hey also
Could you send me some more of this stuff or some money to buy it? We also
from nineteen. Forty, two to nineteen, forty, five Hitler,
self, was given meth injections. This is a fact that many historians of argued contributed somewhat to his increasingly erratic behaviour over time
also known any use, cocaine and heroin, so he was
counting all over the place with different drugs yeah, his
personal doctor has
written proof of something
a hundred plus injections. He gave the he gave the guy I'm afraid of Hitler's the guy. He also. We also know that there was extensive drug use in many of the many of the upper sphere.
Of the Reich organization,
You can read a lot about this in a book called blitzed which
well mention later and further reading. Yet, but in a chosen inside look at
just how extensive
drug use wise amongst,
right in and also in this regard, we have to point out that
at least one of the allied forces. Winston Churchill was.
Office, Gore for more
most, if not all, of the war. He was thinking drunk for a lot of important moments in world history. You know people
like I'm not saying you did a bad job, but it is ignoring the truth. If we ignore that
That is also a form of drug abuse choice I saw
Lines for the record also use this as a stimulant, but as far as we know, was only issued to elite long range commandos. Oh wow
there was also extensively involved in the use of methods. That means it was sold under the register trademark of feel upon by a company called Danny born for
articles they exist today,
by the way under different name
an estimated one billion Philip bond films were produced between one thousand nine hundred and thirty nine, and one thousand nine hundred and forty five Japan online
Other countries supplied this substance not just to their military, but also to industrial workers. Imagine being at a factory and say
You ve got eight hours. Do you wanna do
as the amount of work cheese scheme go
go and keep going. You ve gone he's when you
averted. Amphetamine was also given to Ally bomber pilots drain Toby Toby too, that the lawyer military history, archives in Ontario, Canada, contain records
just soldiers should work.
Did they ingest five milligrams, twenty milligrams of benzene sulphate every
the six hours and it s
Seventy two million amphetamine tablets are consumed by the allies during world war. Two, that is a mountain of
of speed all in one night and then paratroopers also were allegedly using amphetamines.
The D day landings. While you s Marines relied on it for the invasion of terawatt in nineteen forty three,
and if it continues today. Actually, I to recommend
have to blow your mind. Our sister podcast recent
an episode called combat stems a lot of it had to do with the science fiction use of drugs
video games like fall out. The follow up universe where he had like jet and psycho in a lot of visa fictional drugs that are based on real things, but
ground. They got a letter from a listener, that's who was served
recently overseas, and he said it was
very common knowledge that there was plenty of sanction to you.
Of after all,
which is a form of methane family is not really methamphetamine minutes an analog. I would say it has very similar effects and
things, just like nicotine, for example, is very much par for the course. I recommend
check out an absurd if you want to catch a little supplement or some other stuff right. We
This brings us to the present ears.
Name
common names for the modern day speed you
by the? U S army, there called go pills. The? U S.
Force as pilots, of course,
In those pilots use amphetamines and it's one of the most widely dyke minute examples of the use of performance enhancing drugs by military personnel period.
These these individuals are often tasked with excessively long mission. Some of them might last upward
twenty hours, Andy
DE scientists began to issue what are called Dextra amphetamines, more commonly known as speed but referred to is go pills in the air force too
pilots to ensure their alert long enough after
of tiredness and fatigue would have started.
Driving their mental performance down. It's like the old thing at. Did you guys ever do this? When you were a kid to see, you ever see how long you could stay awake culture that still have
Did you make it all night, so? Twenty
Our member states light a handful of times where I really really tried and felt good about it like I can cheated
asked in some way. My my longest, I think, is around thirty seven hours, but then, at that point there is nothing.
Do right. After a certain point, you begin to hallucinate. Yes, you lose
steady, and I was a loser. Mental agility as well. It was done
forty eight, our film first, when I was in college. That's
I tried to make it the forty eight, but I do not know the.
What's interesting here, Isn t the AIR force admits
Prescribing what they call small doses of these and similar substances to pilots on Longrange missions, surveys show that roughly half of american fighter pilots took him. Feder means during desert storm
some commanders were so alarmed by the what they saw as a growing addiction to the pill.
They ordered their subordinates,
to use them, and this this
It is commonly known by its brand name: decks a dream:
in civilian uses, primarily meant to treat hyperactivity in children and narcolepsy narcolepsy
this being the being the disorder which patients fall asleep, suddenly
I'm warning you drugs produced by Glaxosmithkline, which is based in the United Kingdom that now familiar name might sound a little bit familiar because
lights Smithkline is descended from the earlier.
Company, Smithkline and friends,
We began with only mentioned in nineteen. Thirty four ends
The: U S has a unique history with a lot of with a lot of
these drugs just because so many wars drive innovation or drive that cycle of trial and error into a a aimed at a much faster clip. Rightly so, things would have taken ten
to figure out take one things would have taken a hundred years to figure out take ten because the deal the clock is ticking and we're.
Seen entire nations and cultures poor or,
their energy into something
According to an alternate David Grossman, Vietnam was the first war in which the forces of modern Pharmacology were directed to empower the battlefield soldier. So.
For the first time we talked about speed,
in prescribed were or mandated in world WAR two, but for
first time in military history in Vietnam. That's that
time. We see poet,
anti psychotic drugs being prescribed, and these
things that are also manufactured by Glaxosmithkline such as thorazine.
The massive use of drugs in Vietnam led to crippling crippling
PTSD, Post, traumatic stress disorder and a dick,
among veterans and a lot of this, unfortunately news another conspiracy here, a lot of it was swept under the rug.
The? U S, government, and
when we see like addiction and an epidemic two's knolls earlier term,.
There were veterans that were dying of
withdrawal associated symptoms on the plane, ride back from Vietnam. So imagine you're, you're, Harcourt, addicted to a substance you're on
playing for what a thirteen
fourteen hour flight
doesn't it doesn't look good? You know I do.
It's gonna be at best a very unpleasant experience. Thinking about these,
Psychotic drugs is done. Imagining everything that we ve learned over time about howl
certain drugs that are meant to treat that kind of thing were or are, and I
and I'm just imagining
Hence the effects of the feeling depressed
or canning eggs.
Violent behaviour. In that kind of thing,
imagining in the context of
no more if those drugs actually had any effect in
what more into that yet
While we know that it did promote a huge, huge jump in you,
Each of these drugs are freely available. No, this is near this.
Near one of the EP as Centres of Heroin in opium production, where this war occurs and, of course use of methamphetamine, is also present their blood.
These uses of drugs were not restricted to war time events or front of line front,
I'm phenomena. We also know that.
Various militaries various governments have an extensive and unfortunate history of conducting expire
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So for two decades, during the cold war, the? U S, army, tested chemical weapons on american soldiers at a place called Edgewood ourselves,
a secluded research facility on the Chesapeake Bay, where thousands
and were recruited to volunteer
and were exposed to chemicals ranging from mustard gas Sarian Gas, LSD, pc
p S boat, load of second Tropic,
the circle substances
the centre of others with a man in Colonel James Quetcham, who was conducting the experiments, I specifically one with a drug called BC
the arsenals chief scientists, Doktor Van Murray, Sim Instinct
a whole battery
of overseas practical experiment.
In which LSD was tested and enhanced.
Irrigation that should probably that as well.
Poor, helpless, unwitting subjects yet
in just a no busy might be
Familiar to us, some of us was unfamiliar. Does move firstly can into this it's.
Real name is three Kwairyo. Clearly, no benzel, eight
It is a
called substance. Seventy eight by the soviet Army, which programme favoured name there. It is
a compound related to atropine.
Hello mean or a couple other delirious and thee,
accident have our high in inducing stupor
in future illusions. Hallucination ends there just absolute madness, its
It's not a thing to put in somebody's coffee and a surprise that idea, which
actually gonna get something coming like that very soon,
can we talk about category? We
is a. I guess. It's pretty. It's like speed
it's pretty much a speed
and we ve seen its use in, especially in Syria,.
This comes from Al Jazeera from a recent article from twenty sixteen in November
strict complex have seen an increase in the rise of category and unfair me in that allegedly feeling serious civil war last November and twenty fifteen eleven million pills were seized by turkish officials at the syrian turkish border, while this
April. One point: five million were seized in Kuwait and
BBC documentary called Syria's war drug that was
Timber twenty fifteen and if, if you watch them
I would see if you can find it. You should watch it, but there
one user of the struggle with saying quote: there was no fear any more. When I took captain gone, you can't sleep,
or close your eyes forget about it.
So this is a drug that would just
you going no matter what, at all times, you're gonna be aware early somewhat aware of your surroundings, debt, if you watch Jessica Jones, yes, member that the character
who was on some sort of experimental drug use based on nuke, from the comic pariah arrive and like it seems like this is
in that vein, were excellent, caused timid,
almost as though you were like a sleeper agent, all of a sudden go into this berserker mode, where he had no fear and felt no pain only wanted to kill people
see that there is a m
has the best we see it is that this pop
up in the news recently by recently re a few years ago, where there were you would
read stories of the lake,
middle eastern officials private playing detained with a thousand.
The cap the gun pills in captain
is a brand name for fish.
Irene?
this week have to works. Is that
The combination accord, this acquainted Nicholas Rasmussen, owes a professor of history and philosophy of science at New South Wales in Australia is a
the gun is really combination of two drugs Theo filing and amphetamine.
Combinations inactive in the body. But when the body breaks down into the two components, each part becomes active so.
Category is relatively mild in the world of amphetamines and some people in
in professor of psychology, psychiatry, coral heart at Columbia, University went so far
to call it an inferior
refer me amphetamine. So they say that, like outer all cap, the guy was once used to crew treat behavioral problems, but
it is definitely seen as a performance enhancing drugs. People also say abuse of it has been a problem in Saudi Arabia. For over a decade, it's it's big in the Middle EAST
And we know that this,
uses
probably going to continue with people own. That means to manufacture it, and it's
as providing
someone an edge when there
fighting, a battle, then, why? Wouldn't they continue using it I'd? I don't
Why did we have another? Of course we are right to call
the honourable mention or Schumann.
Spare, imitation emeritus as far as drugs go. I like it, you don't rout. Ultra
Kay Ultra.
And all the other experiments that went on around that time, all the operations over the other ones, artichoke yeah
I care, remember the list of them, but there's there's a whole host of marking
to think was one of sea,
operations that were dealing with
testing out drugs and why
we can do with these from an intelligence perspective right,
If they could, if they could create
manchurian candidates are sleeper agents or if they could create a
Ruth Sera for interrogations,
good mess with people's memories, and it is, as we know this
you're being Lee.
Possible to manoeuvre
a person's memories,
because they're using a whole host of drugs, they returned.
Pretty much everything one of the things they did. I, those really disturbing was a forest
Morphine addiction and enforce withdraw so
to see the effect it would have on someone who is a appear w or something they were forcibly addict. Subject morphine
And then they were forcibly,
yeah. What's he got them to the addiction stage, were forcibly not give the many, and I believe that
I believe the morphine is one of those drugs worthy withdrawal.
Alone can actually take your life. The correct, I don't know.
I mean it's my understanding that very very intense opium
yet rather withdrawals can cause you to experience. Cardiac arrest, you know, have trouble breathing and things
and this this also involved. You know tricking
people into having bad trips LSD famously
right and famous? That's one of the only documented in K, ultra deaths, allegedly again elite
committed, one is someone who.
While I lsd jump through a window to their dam and we slow down
Let us build on their salary on empty ultra, howling height
I feel agree haven't I dont know we're. If we have not we're going to be. Ok, I just in entail jurists seems to cast a shadow over so much
stuff, whenever ever we get into this sort of water, this murky water. It feels like
culture is just always sort of been here with us.
There is real
three, oh by the way, if anyone ever tell you that the x,
rotation done by the CIA with these drugs is not real.
You can send him to some documentation, that shows that it is
including artichoke, and some, if a
arguments that were released, that's stands for free
of information ACT now
cast our gaze to the future. So
prizes some people who have not had a
it's in the military or themselves been inactive. Then act.
Member of the military. It's big
surprised to learn that
the use of drugs that would get people arrested on this,
rates of the country you they're, defending our par for the course
whither out there on the front lines, but this
just stay passed to the present thing. This is,
a plateau worrying phenomenon. Instead,
if anything, it's kicking into oh,
DR thanks to research by various think tanks across the world. In the? U S, of course, we have the defence advanced research projects agency, better known as DARPA and DARPA is pushing us
closer and closer towards the creation of a genuine super soldier. Ninety thousand
or the peak soldier performance programme. Looked for a quote by
chemical approach that would allow a soldier to operate in theatre for up to five days without requiring sustenance in person
there's, no stone or genome was left unturned,
yeah. That's it that's a statement from some of the folks who were liaison with the Pentagon and with DARPA there. There is
an extensive research into a life without sleep. We know that
nature, approaches sleeping in many different ways? You know predator
we tend to sleep more than pray.
Certain animals Rowley awake at certain times a day or most active at certain times a day or night. We know that some marine mammals sleep in a very different way in comparison to terrestrial mammals, so.
Barber and various projects sponsored by spearheaded or assisted by DARPA have done
into both of these things. Is there a way to create
In process to turn off part of the brain to sleep, the way that
dolphin, would sleep for instance, or cephalopod, or
Is there a way to take an anti narcolepsy drug like motor, thinner and turn it into
Till you take that
You never have to sleep again. Well, racking up sleep debt. You can read a pretty interesting article on the fight against sleep over
our parrot website how stuff works, dot, com
and this this search continues today, because at this point
we see two concurrent.
Branches of research. One is
How do we make someone who doesn't need to sleep and the other one is? How do we make some thing that doesn't
the sleep so like a drone or an automated robot.
At different times, Matt Nolan? I have hung out and just watch
watch video clips of DARPA robots, which are
stranger and stranger and stranger, I like the ones or they slip on banana appeals
isn't it
there's one that really disturbed me, which I dont think was DARPA but
a robot that was
jibbering, walking in negotiating obstacles and entire video was just this human
who is pushing them down and throwing stuff at them. Hauser Boston Dynamics, robot, which is now owned by
Tibet
Now man, the parent company of Google, her yes, Sir Alphabet, well,
DARPA has also done research on a pain vaccine, others popular mechanic story. The ideas that, when injected with the vaccine, let's say,
Let's see, I'm a soldier in the front line, I guess
shot in the gut
a an ugly dirty way to go right,
Unless I get a media medical attention, so they inject me without cause the there's so much
pain?
Immediate agony not only disappears, but a pair
for a month that would not feel pain,
for thirty days or would be like the one register.
Now, you would still have the instinct true reactions of pay.
Situations like if
Three of us had a vaccine. Now air we touched a stove was on our hands, would immediately recoil away. We just wouldn't feel burned.
Scary. How would you feel the obviously that others do still would have the
issues associated with being badly burned right and I could get infection is in a number of things that could happen. Salmon is always you know not pain. Is
merely a resource for us
Allow us to know that we are messed up and we need to seek medical attention. Yes gave you lack that you could.
Back when they are in
sing, a wound that you would know much about him, not get it looked at and possibly get Sepsis
something, and I get exactly that's. That's one endangers parts, because this is meant to prolong fighting
billowy
which means that yeah somebody Hariri
we burned. We keep fighting, but their body wooden enter shock to save them, so they were just
eventually die without feeling bad,
That's it. The potential does not there yet, but that's the potential
I don't know if it's there yet, because the
things that we hear about. Are the unclassified research? Another?
is your. How bears hibernate?
for animals. Hibernate would have people
do that. What if what if someone's wounded, has an egregious wound, I would, if the
doctors could just chemically and
hibernation and makes us
bended animation of swords, hyper sleep when you alien yet and then just bring them back, bring em
back when they're in operating theatre and
duck the surgery to save your life. The idea here is almost
opposite to keep on fighting is put em on ice
through the use of hydrogen sulfide and blood removal. One extent
golden period after an injury, soil stopping their heart from beating, but somehow there still alive so
their wound doesn't continue to bleed out
the idea Agus Wilder
Now I've never actually done it. Sorry, I'm just saying I just that
incredible and then further future
pharmacology stuff. There would be virtual reality, augmented reality with focused
so there's still speed equivalence, but then there's also technology entering in their like Trans Cranial direct simulation shock.
Your brain to make you think better than anybody.
We know also that I know
picking on the? U s a lot here since the: U S den,
the best Ike imitation of this increase
years we know that other institutions and other global militaries are conducting similar
variances book
Russia and China are believed to be experimenting with performance, enhancing drugs and other techniques, including genetic modification. However
At this point. Aside from statements from Pentagon officials, there
very little in the way of substantive proof so
we don't know how much they are or are not doing,
will you know race and pitchforks and torches over crisper, but crisper is not there,
crisper has the potential to
be the disturbing gotta S thing: people fear by
it hasn't happened yet their course
corporate world, there's cocaine, alcohol and, after all,
elbows on the same IRA there was,
daddy published. I want to say this here by Doktor: Carr Heart is a narrow, psycho, pharmacologist Colombia,
University and his career is
we ve been dedicated to studying the effects of drugs and
policy on the public and really focusing on try to put an end to what's been deemed the war on drugs and in us
daddy. He basically determine that,
after all,
very, very, very, very, very similar effects, one
two met and
anyone you know who's in adults who is perceived,
After all, if you know anything about the effects of speed, I think it's not
which were stretched to say that after all, is definitely a form of speed, and it is still to this day prescribed to kids for
yeah ADHD and
I just think guy. It's an interesting cultural disk
That we have, when we have this war on drugs, where
we are being o throwing grenade
into babies, cribs in the hopes of Reno catching some meth dealers and yet, where feeding our school kids, these very powerful prescription uppers
that's a great point and it goes in the same way with any site.
Active substance like remember the days when it became popular,
prescribed, Ritalin, lithium, Zoloft and things like that tickets,
Listen, dear Jennifer exerts deal seriously
not necessarily with those specific drugs, but
as colleagues will children is a big deal
really worrying anomaly that I'm not trying to get in a high horse here, and everyone has their opinions far as eastern verses western medicine in Indiana.
Ever it takes to get someone. Well, I understand,
the desire to want to find that thing. But I use near
so easy.
By telling a doctor that year experiencing a little bit of stress
for you value
without having to twist his arm at all in. It just depends on the doktor, obviously, but that is definitely part of our culture
Having a lot of that is tied to are kind of
marriage to the farm pharmaceutical industry, an item I think it's not quite the way it should be answered
very interesting Ellen in and when you look at the London, this conversation about Nino using drugs for me,
Terry purposes and how this attitude goes infiltrate up to the highest levels of art,
government and bureaucracy in the military. I think it is kind of a systemic problem. Then we need to address.
Yeah and its also its common throughout demographics, throughout creeds,
out genders throughout
socio economic status,
in the world of academia. Of course, there was a say: they found a quarter of undergraduate students,
so so high right. One in four are
after all, or on some other performance enhancing thing. No one
festers or official structures. Apparently IRAN. It is well ass. I even mentioned new tropics or the so called smart drugs.
Weary rig it after India. Here, I think in our examination, but we want to end it with some further reading to recommend if you'd like to Dell
to this there's an example called blitzed by Norman older, which is about the
drug use, the prevalence.
Use, one should say in
the german side of world war, two another.
On killing by David Grossman. That's where you will find some more information about farmer,
g and Vietnam and
instead of doing a shoutout corner today, guys
If we do a call for stories for people who had
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