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blue programme under the show my name is met, nor is on an adventure they called me. Then we are joined without were super producer. Paul mission control jacket. Most importantly, you argue- hopefully you are here. Hopefully that makes this stuff. They don't want to know today's episode dives into a bit of true crime, rare, as is so popularly called though it is, you know I was discussing this in my life. I think that most conspiracies, at least at the heart are true crime stories at least there is some element of crime generally somewhere within them. A cover up an attempt secrecy right to inspire the etymology of conspiracy and conspire to breathe together in secret yeah. Oh yeah, I mean, I think I think we do a too true crime show

Here we have, we have certainly we haven't been limited to true cried out, but I think there's sand to earn a lot of the cases. You found, or a lot of the phenomenon we have investigated can be traced back to when I see mundane, I dont want to sound like him diminish in it, but earthly mundane terrestrial crimes. Varied you, no anger, lusts gluttony, the hits the since all the sense. So We should also say that the top I M very excited about some stuff. We have coming up a dimensions and believe off air about a very interesting story. I found folklore that also interacts are intertwined rather with true crime. Ok and then that folklore stuff is going to get dark, so stay tuned for that in a few weeks,

But for now today's episode, we are travelling through the power the mind to Texas to South Texas, to town called Laredo and Laredo is going to be fascinating, for anyone who is not familiar with the area for anyone who is not from the states even and that's because borders despite all the above, be here in the news? Borders historically have now been sharply the marketed things borders, slide into one another ripen than the first borders were old terrestrial obstacles and then you look at new wave overrate o, which is immediately across the border like it looks like almost a city in

nothing could grow now. Essentially, everything on this side of whatever this insurmountable thing is, is one place and, on the other, to other absolute, but if you look at Laredo Texas in and you look it Nuevo Laredo, which is immediately across the border like it looks like almost a city in two or a town in yeah looks like a city with a river that by sex it exactly grant exactly so that this is agreed because now it is increasingly border or politically de marketed Ray one of the one of these incredibly effective. An entirely immoral. I was he

we'll strategies that european powers used to subjugate native peoples on the african continent was the creation of political borders. So let us take a look at the european forces would say at the natural De Marquis since people have made for thousands of thousands of years this community, or this try bore- or this nation lived here. Well, let's bisected so now they live in. Three different areas and they can't gather is easily it some Predecessor, gerrymandering, but much more brutal one, yes with the with fact being, of course, the removal of power from the people, and this means that in terms of social impact borders, whether there based on in an insurmountable obstacle or whether there are based on the political aims of

people. Drawing the maps lay still have a very powerful effects on the people who live in the area. And this border between the United States of America and Mexico, has been in the domestic and international news for time now for for a couple of years, really the campaign slogan from the Trump administration that launch listen to the list of international media, and as we are, were this, these President issued a national emergency dealing with border security. Yes, that is correct, declared a national emergency Win Congress rejected the executive branches. Initial request for money to build a wall, a physical bear

Physical barriers already exist. Different points of view the border. But this pitch was for the construction of a contiguous barrier of some sort. What would that barrier be exactly and sordid changes depending on the new cycle. You know, but when you hear about these southern border between the United States and Mexico nowadays, Europe merrily going to hear about that ongoing debate. Should the? U S build or extend the existing physical barriers across the span of the border, if so, who should pay for this you know and what would be? What would the benefits? If any be, what would the consequences, if any be, You will hear widely varying and Wild Lee varying ideas and takes- this. Whenever you tune into the news or whatever pie cast you listen to

Today's episode is not about that wall, not about that Michael barrier. Nor is it about the debate involved. Is physically. Where we are it is the where we are right. You see folks there as a ton of media coverage and there's been a ton of reporting about- crime or the lack of crime along this very border, and today story does concern crime, but perhaps not the Some of us might initially assumed so we somewhere in Laredo where's Laredo Matt. What can you tell us about Laredo? What is this? What is this thing yet, it's in its in southern taxes in the seat of web county there, it's ITALY on the the Rio Grande as we discussed the Rio Grande separate it from New Laredo, which is on the mexican side of the border and it's about two hundred,

We kilometers southwest of San Antonio, that's your biggest a landmark of sorts surrogates city Mark It is about a hundred. Fifty miles gave yes roughly, and it's what you know it one of the most him wooden, one of the principal boarding border crossings that exist between Mexico and and taxes and specifically from to get from Mexico into texts. And that's illegal border crossing, correct? Ok, legal boy: s little border crossing, yes, man, it's so red leather, yellow right, yes, Roma, Theatre, kids in the audience absolutely let's talk about the human beings that are there. So as of twenty seventeen, the population of Laredo was estimated to be about about two hundred and sixty thousand almost two hundred and sixty one thousand

population is roughly ninety five. Ninety five point: six percent hispanic or latino, and this too the city is rings. One the least ethnically diverse cities in the entire country and quick up day I dug in a little bit more, it isn t. It is, though, On top of the Bali least ethnically d which is another way of saying the most homogenous terms of ethnicity, the air, emanation, while witches, which is pretty nuts, because the United States has a lot of pockets of population, write us, but Then these will occur in areas where there are there part of a city that is composed of other pockets? I mean absolutely that's. I would say that very much describes Atlanta, yet reality of pockets, sure laughter is more in graded than many other cities

here in the modern day Laredo does have a popular more than, as you said, ninety five percent hispanic were letting identifying people and for some people. This would be indicative of the the point we made earlier that borders tend we re greying areas, snazzy what I mean if we often people either side of a border wills, the same language, ve have a lot of the same customs you what I mean the especially its political border. Its dividing an area that already existed, without the wind marked through it especially if their borders between two countries, like the United States in Mexico, that for centuries early decades we ve had

trade deals where businesses in them, long. That border are also going across that border constantly and all the time when you think about the the population that actually lives on one side or exists on one side for a large amount of their day. Her that that area becomes even more Yeah, yeah yeah. This is not solely a! U S! Mexico! phenomenon. You know there plenty of people who live in the: U S, working Canada! Oh yes, versa! Having about the the EU I was yeah. That's it that's one of the primo examples for sure, because of the way that the Eu Travel residency laws. Work is plainly normal too, the proximity, the countries, it's completely normal to wake in one country where you live in then go work in another one and and I don't know I don't know-

be stop and see your your boyfriend, your girlfriend or significant other in a third country just on the way home all the time. All appalled has done that having I'm? U S! Emission control life. We amend laws on a compromise. We can envious several so with this idea of borders here in the U S we encounter concerns about crime, usually concerns about smuggling of one sort or another, drugs people, or we hear things about violence, crime, robberies, gang activity, murder, assault, at least that's reported and then becomes a. A noose newsworthy story, at least for a few hours right. If it bleeds it leads and one the concerns that often crops up. When we talk about I'm at any international border is going to be

the concern of how overblown or how ignored a phenomenon. Is there a ton of crime, it that's being unreported? is there a dearth of crime or a lack of crime with that's being over reported no one murder occur and then that murder leads the news for four months. Those are those are definitely, I would say, the viewpoints from which allowed to people form an opinion about crime at borders, yeah yeah biggest realistically, most people don't have time to take. Week off, drive down or fly down to the border and watch themselves you after you have to find new sources or reporting sources that you can trust or or even to take the time just to do some research from a computer, oh yeah, like what

you on the show you sit down in you know, researching write about it, nobody s time for that, unless you're getting paid for it, that's not a bad boy. It's it's tough, but fair stuff, but fair, so let's talk about crime in Laredo from what we found, we went straight to the official government statistics. So pass the Pandit headlines and so on, and what we found is that over the past, nine years or so crime in Laredo has dropped significantly. It has not escalated. One of the pitches you're here for that construction of more physical barriers or contiguous physical barrier is it's not designed to be a political argument is designed to be an argument about. Six

already in the idea here is that a crime is increasing and that be something physical barrier will help reduce or mitigate that increase. That's just the argument as its laid up tunnel p, I agree with it. China people disagree with it. That's the argument Could he couldn't be more polar? It could not be more bullet. That's that's excellent observation, However, the assumptions of the argument. Follow little bit short in Laredo, because in this town, homicide cases dropped thirty, six percent from two thousand and nine to twenty seventeen robbery declined for. Seven percent and aggravated assault dropped thirty percent. This is According to the Laredo Police Department, annual report and twenty seventeen, so crime appears to at least in several key areas, be

going down in Laredo rather than escalating, but there's something else at play here. It's it's not just everybody plenary in shiny, happy people thing known every Baden: suddenly become friends, yeah most violent crime rates have dropped by double digit, but sexual offences cases have increased by forty eight percent. During that same nine year, span from two thousand nine to twenty seventeen, so other stuff dropped by a third, in some cases almost halved, but this stuff increased by almost fifty percent. Dear, that's that's a tough statistic. Who has certainly wonder why we are not here to analyze that buddy it's a terrible reality,

terrible in forcing you could make arguments saying that Maybe there's something wonky and the way it reported. Of course we do know that in this country, as unfortunately, is the case in many other countries. There are a lot o homicides, the go unreported well in this case, see that there's an anomalous spike, everything else is going down. This thing is spiking. Let's look at murder, murder, specifically, murder is dropped, but it's still occurring and you can find some fair robust murder statistics in Laredo website called City Dash data dot com, and it this compiles all of the murder, sexual assaults, robberies, burglaries, car theft, non car theft, arson and so on across the town of cross,

Laredo and Nuevo Laredo as well. So, let's lists think about who these murderers are or who these crimes rules are, shall we give them? like some numbers. As to some of these dates, oh yeah, just aegis so everyone understands so We're looking release this table. That goes from two thousand to until two thousand sixteen the for just looking at murders below. Number you're going to find between those dates occurred in twenty thirteen, at least the reported ones in there. Three murders that year, then, if I see a max, would be two thousand three, which is twenty nine murders in that year, so those numbers are fairly low. I mean they seem very low. We don't have a really good thing, you like, compare it to both over. You know in a big city there are significantly more murders, then that generally on average per year,

I guess the big question is: who are people in Laredo anew Laredo who are killing other humans right who are these murderers? No, we wouldn't be wrong If we were listening to this and we just shrugged and said well, you know unfortunately, the usual gangs, maybe jilted lovers in crime the passion or employees who are former employees rather may be drug dealers, human traffickers. You know criminals sleaze backs scum. There are always elements of these crimes, was in the mix but Laredo it turns out, may have birth, something else, something that is Fortunately much less common, something that is

In many ways more dangerous and definitely definitely more alien, What happened in the radio that caused a man whose hired to protect the border Instead use that area as his personal hunting ground we'll have the answer. Afterward from our sponsor. It seems like it should be easy, but it's not just getting out of bed and getting your day started, trying to accomplish everything you need to do in your day that to do list as a lot easier when you're getting news stories and music to lift your mood and preparing for the day ahead connected to the things that make you laugh and make you think or make you want to reach out and share with a friend every morning with us, it's Elvis Joanne in the morning show listen to us on cue, one or two or anywhere in the world. On the I hurt radio app,

years where it gets crazy. One David Ortiz was a veteran of the. U S navy. He was married with children, held a bachelors degree from the American Military University and a masters degree from Saint marries Academy in Texas. After leaving the Navy. Ortiz finds work for the, U S border patrol and he spends ten years their functioning as an intelligence operator or an intelligence officer. As an intelligence officer or tease, was well air of Laredo Seedy, underbelly, the sex workers, the drug dealers, drug attics, the criminals and the smugglers, everyone making a living on the run. Inside of the law for one reason or another, and so

where, along the way, he became a killer. So, let's go to the night of September fifteenth twenty eighteen there's an unidentified woman who was at the time she was at least functioning as a sex worker on that night and met up with a man that she knew at least as David David, and she was feeling uneasy about Hiding too, I guess, hang with David, were go on a date with David or whatever, and there were two other sex. Workers that she knew of that who, by law that she was aware of had been recently killed in one of the people was her. Personal friend named Melissa. Melissa Ramirez now this man named David earlier that is called David in this. If I'd woman had already spent some time at the manor house- and this is

I guess: overtime they'd been there for a little while and she began to get increasingly crept out by this man and she was becoming frightened by some of his action use taking some of his words and specially when she mentioned her friend Melissa, who had recently been killed. He had reacted so strangely, in fact, she later told it

cities and the situation had grown so tense during the conversation that she vomited in the front yard of the house before they went back into the truck and left ostensibly to go to a gas station. As this woman, who remains unidentified at the time recording leader recounted to police, the thought of malicious stayed on her mind, it's fair to say it haunted her and she kept bringing up her dead friend and response. Suddenly, this man, this David, pulled out a gun and grabbed the woman by her shirt. Luckily, I figure fight or flight reflexes were already pretty apt up. At this point, she manages to jump out of the vehicle and her shirt rips from her body during the process

David screeches off- he fleas the scene and the woman finds a state trooper and a nearby gas station, she tells the trooper what happened and then she is also able to tell law enforcement the location of this David's home David later be identified as Juan David Ortiz hit out in a hotel parking lot after fleeing officers attempting to apprehend him, he was found and arrested at two hundred and thirty, a dot m and here's the thing Dave. Was arrested and shortly after he was arrested, he began spilling the beans essentially just telling all, and he was confessing to very specific things and When we talk about his motivations of why he was doing what he was doing, which we're gonna get into here in a moment, but his

we stated motivation was that he wanted to quote clean up the city and he said that he had in fact killed. This unidentified woman's friend Melissa. He. He admitted that he did that on the third of September in that year, twenty eighteen, but that wasn't all he also first that he had committed more than just that. One murder, that's right. According to web county district Ernie Cedar online is or tease saw himself. Someone is a sex workers, he said were the scum of the earth and he wanted to clean the streets. He believed he was doing. Ace it is for the city. By committing these murders, he argued that law enforcement was, doing enough to curb what and to curb the sex trade tissues sought, which is which require. As a new complication, when we consider that certain

Tangible evidence indicates Ortiz wasn't just socially familiar with several of these workers. Several of these victims. He had been sexually involved near with at least one and she did, he did confessed to these. They were murdered in very similar ways. Furthermore, during his descriptions the murders and during is a rest and during his confession he was described as cool or motionless almost robotic, but let's go back to that in a moment. First We should talk about who these victims are. We mention Melissa, Ramirez, yes, so in total, Ortiz is suspected of killing, for and one kidnapping that would, that would be the unidentified woman. Then we simply

talk about the timeframe here when you're talking about a serial killer or a spy, killer or even of the differences that we ve covered in several episodes over the course of the years here. But all of the murders that at least David Ortiz is wanderer tease is accused of was accused of they may happen from September third tis to September fifteenth of the same month, so not much of a cooling down period there between these killings for killings in that time span. So let's go to the first victim that we discussed a tiny bit Melissa Ramirez. She was twenty nine years old when she died. She was killed on the third of number two thousand eighteen. She was taken to Jeffreys Road in the area and she was shot in the head.

And then, on the thirteenth of September, Claudine an lira. Forty two years old was murdered. She was taken to U S, eighty three and spur road to fifty five on September. Thirteenth and she was shot she d reach the hospitals day shortly after she reached the hospital, as resulted, the gunshot wounds, essentially shoe shot left for dead now and then Griselda Lisi earn can't do she was thirty five when died and she was killed on the fifteenth of September twenty eighteen. She was, She was shot, but according to corners, she died due to blunt force, trauma then so shot and then battered yes, and the last identified victim at this point is on board General Enricos Ortiz a twenty year old

on the same day as Griselda on of September, two thousand eighteen, also through a shot to the head. This victim was a trans woman identified as such as far as authorities can tell at this time are, as far as what's been made publicly available about these confessions that didn't that didn't play into the factor he was hunting kill specifically people based on their occupation. Yes, so this leads us to ask What else is out there is not unreasonable to assume that Ortiz may have committed other murders, but it seems odd that he would not have confessed to these as well. While admitting to the other four there's also giving the happen sometimes with cereal murder confessions. We we ve seen this in a cup.

Of other earlier serial killer cases, which is if law enforcement has a bunch of opener cold cases. They want to resolve the issue. They say they, like the monolithic. Some departments have, in the past, offered a prisoner, different perch, no, better food, better housing, exe DORA if they will also the cop to the other unsolved cases, its way to clear the books. Yes, incredibly another I am probably uncommon and probably uncommon thing. So it's happened before so it's not crazy, to assume that this could happen again or even is happening now until they differ unrelated case in the he's of or tease. It seems that he didn't do it. Why, possibly with his service weapon,

He confessed to every murder he did, and so this leads us to two things. The first thing is was there a serial killer active on the? U S, Mexico border. This has been the one of those rumours its cropped up in years past, and in this case yes, there was operating for a very short amount of time. As far as we know just in September of twenty eighteen before his thankfully apprehended, but some of us will call earlier episodes. We talked about the difference between a spree killer and a serial killer Yes, serial killers, as I think you pointed out earlier, met, use We have some sort of cooling down period, it's called so whatever that's. Civic M o is there.

They commit murder using that specific use, ritualistic set of circumstances or approach, and then they stop for anywhere from days to mom. In some cases years and then they rinsing repeat the same behaviour. This guy had a increasingly short interval of cooling down right yet from the thirty September, to the thirteenth and then just two days to the fifteenth and then twice on the fifteen. So this could this was building. Oh yeah, you can. You can definitely see that again it thank goodness he was caught when he was because you can only imagine where that could, gone as I was, as it was wrapping up like that, so the people working in law enforcement who apprehended and arrested him again all things to do quick thinking of this unidentified fifth person

They have literally save lives area yeah, it literally saved lives. So it would seem that although immense human tragedy and loss has occurred here. There is, if not a hat be ending, something little bit more satisfactory rank the we found the monster, the monster was stopped. Then get an again. I know legally were required to say the alleged murderer, because the guy's not onto quartet yeah, has not been convicted of a crime yet, but he did confess yeah! You are you with confession, but do we know there are such things. As course, confessions through TAT is a very real thing, but it would be.

A massive surprise if it turned out that he was not in fact, the person committed these murders. I would agree, however, there's not there's not a satisfactory and into this. No. This is what wrinkle right: yeah, yeah, one David or tease, you know, is in green version of some of the violence and some of the patterns of behaviour that have been noticed in border areas right. This is a chapter of a story and it is not the first chapter and is not the last. You see or tease is not the only murderer operate on the ball, he wasn't even the only murderer who worked on the force on the border patrols and we'll get to afterward, flower, sponsor

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Aghast and ass. All the questions one of the entire secret hard staff join us profane doctors, real friends on the Iheart Radio, am apple podcast, and whenever you get your podcast revenge let's jump to a few months prior to win. One David Ortiz was arrested. Let's go to June of two thousand eighteen in that month, Last year, a another border agent, Ronald Anthony Burgos Aviles, was indicted on two counts of capital: murder, for allegedly killing his twenty seven year old lover- I guess at the time- and there too, month year, old son and prosecutors are currently seeking the death penalty in his case, as well as Ortiz, is exactly there are fewer details of it

people here partially, because the judge presiding over this case issued a gag order at the defendants request. This prevents involved parties from discussing the case publicly, you can still- were journalist interested person I involved in the case. You can still go to public hearings. Those are closed down but a gag order means that prosecutors, the attorneys for the defense, witnesses, police and other officers of the court, the bailiff stenographer, etc. Anyone with ties. The investigation cannot discuss summarize comment on the case in any way, so this case is nascent it still developing. It has not yet completed its passage through the legal system

that that's one example, but you will see other people arguing that the these two terrible and tragic examples are part of a bigger worry. The Texas observer recently wrote an article called the border patrols. Serial killer is part of a long troubled history, this by a journalist, Gus Bovine, and what we find is that now. The the Laredo sector of border patrol alone host around seventeen hundred of the twenty thousand total border patrol agents and according to this article Ortiz, was at least the fourth patrolman to beer, stupid this year. The other cases include Burgos Aviles. We mentioned earlier another another the Serbs who allegedly sexually assaulted a woman after threatening or with deportation. Another agent who has not been identified, nor arrested, shot and killed. An unarmed, too,

dear old and Guatemala, woman in may- and this has been done- a series of very tragic coincidences near our you know, maybe if a pattern of abuse within alone. For somebody s probably not, it is just that voted appears to be maybe right and he goes back to the bad argument arguments were, of course, not people, work and law enforcement go outside every day and risk their lives. Yes, sir, in any way casting aspersion on that the questions more about accountability in in these cases know what's happening from two thousand five to two thousand twelve Eu Us customs and border protection agents were arrested over two thousand times for misconduct, things like not all murder, yeah. Still things

Against law, drunk driving domestic violence, things you to lose your job for and c p b customers border protection includes border patrol and customs agents. So it's a larger pool ripe two thousand thirteen government from report found that border patrol agencies regularly stepped in the paths of cars to justify firing at drivers, swell shooting appeal throwing rocks including teenagers on the mexican side of the border. I remember hearing about a few of those occurrences in the in the news rough now: There has already been widespread speculation that Ortiz might have other victims that have yet to be publicly identified or conclusively linked to him and, as we said before AIDS, weird, it's not impossible, but it's weird that he would readily confess to.

Four murders, a fifth kidnapping and somehow keep the other stuff out of the news. Now there Definitely more to this story we already noted that, according to the S legal system, he still innocent being tried for crimes. Bentleys convicted can legally be called confirmed, serial killer. But we have to ask- is there more to the story or their murders occurring along the border that are being unreported and if so, where the victims, who are the perpetrators ripe and and how can we bring? How can we be sure that, are all being found like all of the victims are being even are even known to be missing there such potential, on a border for

someone who may be a part of trafficking or either willingly or unwillingly, that ends up just a victim in never found its. It's pretty terrifying right. These are tough questions in many cases. Unfortunately, they may be unanswerable because people can fall through the cracks, you know someone Who is. Someone who is attempting to cross a border illegally may be Patricia betrayed by the forces. That said, they would get them over safely. Bodies might never be discovered or when discovered, not identified. What we have for today's episode, then is is not a happy ending other than your a buddy serial killer there a newly active serial killer was apprehended, thankfully right, but this is a small snapshot in

what may be a larger systemic problem. And if it is a larger systemic problem, if it's not a case of a few bad apples or something like that, then what the solution, does a solution exist? We'd like to hear from you, you can. Let us know on Instagram. Let us on Facebook. Let us know on Twitter, additionally tell us about the tell us about the crimes in your neck of the woods weather. In the. U S: were your own country or just a crime? You ve heard of that. You boy it has been under reported. Tell us what happened and why you think it's not getting more coverage. Absolutely please! Please write to us just get give us here, Variants, if you, if you will, if you want to because of We would like to learn along with you in and learn from your experience, just just before we kind of like do the full wrap up here. I just want to point out something that the Texas observer.

Wait it out in that is the number of staff working on border patrol lay officially at least and how its increased from leaving the pass nineteen years are a guess. They have statistic for the past seventeen years as of two years ago. That make sense, though, two thousand to two thousand seven. In India, showing that it will around nine thousand two hundred people. Officially, staffing the United States border in the year. Two thousand in that, through all the way up, to seventeen days Five hundred, roughly in two thousand eight over the course of eight years, so it doubled almost then next year, two thousand nine jumped up to the twenty thousand range and it's kind of state between. Let's say nineteen thousand end

when he one fifty over the course from two dozen age does seventeen just to show that you're? That's a lot of people. If you think about A couple of thousand human beings that your vetting in bringing in to be police officers, essentially in border patrol agents and and the Texas Observer, just makes the point that it's that kind of growth over that amount of time seems to be too rapid in order to fully vet of the humans that your hiring yes, maybe they're, just needs to be a more in depth that in process. Oh, who knows in that's one an argument, you'll probably here, and you may have heard that one. But again, sometimes you just can't catch that anomaly, because

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