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does anybody else. Remember when Wiki leaks was a daily headline did matter where you turned everything? Was Wikileaks re air especially it bit of a resurgence there for a while when the presidential election was happening in twenty. Sixteen, when that that name started being bandied about again, but it goes way back to town me ten roughly when it was very, very popular right, right, and it was around even before then there was founded in Iceland in two thousand six, and despite the fact that you don't we hear about it as much as you did in twenty ten and twenty sixteen. It still soldiery along today story is not about Wikileaks. However, what to learn about wikileaks? You can go look at their own website, which is still up yet and we do have an old series of videos on it. That's right which gets the gist of what it yeah you know, but not not the recent greatest hits

said today we are exploring the recent misadventures of Wikileaks founder, the infamous and some tar Gary looking Julian Assange, he is a little tired. I don't wanna body. She might think. I think target areas really cool, but he looks like what is more like the kind of like platinum, blind, blue eyed, vibrate and a little bit of it. This changed changed again, we yeah being grounded for years will do that. But I would This name is familiar to us. If you listening to this show, you It is almost certainly not the first time you ve heard this name, but let's learn a little bit about guy behind the moniker, who is Julian Assange will for that. Have to go all the way back to nineteen. Seventy one to a place called sounds Ville, Australia, where chemical acts was created and created the power of girls. Oh my

goodness a mayor of towns will bring any bells because of my lack of power puff information. I will say yes- and I appreciate you take my word for it, but this is a different townsfolk. Well, these carriers intelligible in eighteen. Seventy one Julian Assange was birth to as a baby. He came into this world and he Didn'T- have any documents with him, but he was given his first documents very soon after that, proving that he was in fact born This is a gentleman who grew up. He really enjoyed computers. He was then he ended up hacking into databases of several organisations that we would consider high profile, sure corporations, countries governments in two thousand and six. He said you know I should take. To a global scale and international scale. I should take what I'm doing by myself and openness to the world, so he began work on what we call Wiki leaks today and surprisingly, he

pulled it off. He enjoyed a brief and shining moment in the spotlight. Was he a hero, speaking truth to power? a coward endangering lives across the planet, a street up megalomaniac. He was portrayed as all these and more in the media, and he earned the coveted magazines person of the your title in twenty ten. Also, let's not forget that person of the year isn't Essentially it accolade. It's not a compliment on as it is needs. You shook some stuff for better or worse will. Yet in an that's exactly what he was doing. He do. You know that speaking truth to power I don't know if I personally believe that, but I think all of us had moments where the action of Julian Assange, were so striking of go hacking into the places that were hacked orb you leave the information that was given to them? Yet that really spoke to bad things. They were happening within big organizations in you. I think that's why time did you just over time?

That's why time did it because it was so worth reforming, generally the foundations and he was loved and feared. I think is the right way to put right right. He was indeed the thing is it wiki leaks and Assange were dogged by criticism. Controversy. Conspiracy theories pretty much. Their inception. People would write to us all these years ago and say: oh well, who do you think's really in charge of Wikileaks? Russia? Is it the CIA?

you don't massage or some other organization and how impartial are they not very as we would come to find, but two thousand and ten rose and fell like some Targaryen Icarus, I guess who flew too close to the sun of the mass media and classified information from governments and businesses. Two thousand and ten is the year. Everything started to go wrong for Julian Assange it up seeking asylum in Ecuador, technically in Ecuador, here's how would doubtless got a timeline? Yes, we call it. How did dodge the law in Ecuador with an asterisk? I dont think has actually been to the country of that well, you did technically be dude. Territory totally being at the airport in Paris or something like that. Have you really been to Paris? Mobile, ok, so here's what I've! What I believe is there,

everything surrounding this situation is. Motivation. More vision behind actions by the: U S: government motivations of actions behind, Julian Assange, illegal or whatever, and absolutely about yes and also of Chelsea Manning government, exactly all of them together like it's about the pensions and why they're doing what they're doing right? So, let's so in eight April of two and ten. That is when Chelsea Manning, while at by this time remaining has given video and information about an air strike that occurred in two thousand seven to Wikileaks. And in this airstrike there were more than ten Iraqis, Seville, an end to journalists that were killed in these airstrikes. You I cannot remember the name of war. The war tapes are something to this effect and you can find it through Wikileaks. It.

I was really brutal and there was a ton of press about this when it came out. It was very high profile in that regard. Then in May Chelsea manning them and who leaked to the stuff to Wikileaks, who then let it I was arrested for doing that for we firmly here too Achilles in August of that year, trouble was brewing across the Atlantic prosecutors from Sweden order The arrest of Julian Assange on suspected charges of sexual assault, Raven Molestation Yes- and this is where the intent and come into play because you're seeing information both far from both sides here that impact,

similarly from Wikileaks and Julian Assange that, like this, was an attempt to extradite Julian Assange to the United States right, get him in to get him back to a place or to a place. There would extradite him to the United States, rights and prosecutors in Sweden issue in international warrant for his arrest December. Twenty ten he gets arrested by the british police and the courts says you know what we're going to grant him bail and he fights this charge. He is trying to overturn his extradition to Wheaton, it doesn't work- it's dismissed in November of twenty eleven and in twenty twelve August of twenty twelve. So you got some months on the Lam here August, two thousand and twelve. He is officially granted asylum at the ecuadorian embassy in London. That's what

a big to do about calling it technically Ecuador, because the land of the embassy is technically sovereign soil, but it's? building a building, a sort of like when the communion waiver is transubstantiation like the body of Christ, whatever it's like. One of those guys is magical thinking, magical realism, we have a lot of international affairs hinge on magical? Real? Is you know like passports? Yes, that's a big thing: Joseph there's one person who doesn't have to have a passport. It's the queen of the UK yeah failure because it passports issued in her name will ya they go ending she's got the earth the crown or whenever yeah thing is this a crown? It's a very big deal over there home. So so in November of this year. This highly publicized event occurred where Julian Assange comes he's at the see any goes out on this balcony and he makes a speech there what he's doing. Why is doing it? What the

U S. Government wants to do, makes all of these things public and put it in his own voice and has studying some stunning hot takes on crocodile Dundee, both the first one and the sequel where you go, and I don't want you to a highly important stuff, but it was his for it was the first time anyone had got release the public had seen him since he was seeking asylum two months earlier, back and back in August and again like Just remember that time line two thousand ten is winning this. That arrest warrant is first two years later. He s the bail and then ends up in the embassy yeah, and he has been there right. This is becoming his home, the Stockholm District court. In twenty forty,

While I still at the embassy remember life's going on for everyone else doing some skyping yeah he stuck in this building. I they decide that he should remain detained after he requested that they review is detention order and then in August is twenty fourteen. He promised he would leave the embassy soon soon is a relative term right. Yes, it really really is then what happened? twenty sixteen well and twenty. Sixteen. The ecuadorean government cuts off his internet access. I had to have been a death blow for a guy like that, build his whole life reputation online he's got nothing. Is is cut off by Y yeah. Well, it's because Wikileaks published are emails, member, her emails, yeah

absolute. Mother lode of Hillary Clinton presidential campaign emails. Are the government says it's trying to make sure he can't interfere in the affairs of other countries fair right, Give me there we're Ecuador, we're doing you a solid and world superpowers are really down hard on. Can you stop making things worse? You're taking us look really bad Julian Assange, it's like if you were ever. If you know I don't know how wild everyone's lives are by its like. If you are you knowing your college days and you, this dive bar fight, and then it's all, because what are your friends is run in their mouths and you somehow single handedly, defending yourself, my aunt him from like eight people way bigger than you and the guys in the back going yeah cheek chick is ass. Tell us tells his mom is also ugly in you Dude either help me out or shut up

not doing neither of those things, so it without you no side without us actually being in the room. We can say that this on the surface seems like poor houseguest behaviour yeah. It's also, I give a guy staying on your couch, just start peeing on every yes, yes, uranium bossy it again because its it here, not that great of a tenant knew anything erratic and peeing on. Everything is necessarily that far off the mark right exactly in November of twenty sixteen, he is Quest and again within the embassies not leaving. The embassy is questioned over those sexual assault charges in Sweden and in April of twenty seventeen attorney General Jeff sessions. At the time who preceded attorney General bar says that arresting Assange is a topic.

Ready for the. U S, we want the sky under the jail. Is he gonna get get mood? I dont know and its unfortunate that we live in a world where that can be a verb. Nobody wants to get get mode, now's the get get mode, but then only a month later, wholly a month later, Sweden comes out in their saying we're dropping all charges against Julian Assange. That's done we're not gonna. Do this whole tradition. Thing that is worried about have no fear were dropping the charges and doing science as well, that's great, but I'm Guinness Day here, just in case right right, because although Sweden has dropped the charges, the, U K,

still has an arrest out for him and he's like alright. Well, we got Sweden off the list yeah. Let's let me see if I can work something out with the United Kingdom. This is unsuccessful February, two thousand and eighteen it loses his bid to get them to drop, drop, their arrest and charges and then. In March of twenty eighteen, oh it's like history is repeating itself right, Ecuador cuts off his communication entirely say: look you just cannot send messages at all. We tried to stop you with the internet, stuff, no No more, no snail mail! No! Nothing! Because you are again dude! You are making the bar fight worse. You are peeing on our geopolitical couch, Stop we're gonna, need you surrender your pager as well as need? Not even that's too much we're cause he's

He was sending again sending messages. They would interfere with other countries, goings, ons, the com in the south poking the bare yeah we leave that bear alone, especially when you're in our house and right, because the bears gonna come for us. The bears do not discriminate in October of twenty eighteen Assange decides to sue Ecuador because doesn't like how they changed the nature of his asylum. They had recently asked him to start paying rent kicking in rent and bills and to take better care of his cat. That is not made up Currently he was let the cat run wild is, I guess he was above doing Kitty letter. I donno cash. They let him have a cat, they let him have it. What did he have on these, these poor saps by me, what I've been we're to get there, but why Why do they wanted they put up with all this?

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still reside somewhere in Russia and will probably not returned to the? U S within his life. And there is a real legal and otherwise threat to anyone who leaks, especially highly classified documents, from a you know? Uh say a giant military one of the biggest await the biggest most are military in the world. It. The you put yourself in danger and escaping to get somewhere else. Where you're away from the reach, of that military and or other parties involved. It's what's gonna happen you, which probably try to interview Snowden and Assange what he gets think do you think they would they went out to us. Well, I know Snowden did in her view recently in April. He did in a review on vice so, when you talk to actually now- and there are lots of a paper

without some feelers, ok let it and just Paul's he's doing right now. I see a to ease, texting cheese Syria is not Julian Assange, a Pedro room, but how it's going straight to Ecuador Soup. Yet there in this, legal limbo, and we have to start seriously asking ourselves how Will this house of cards remain remained state was Julian Assange set to live out the rest of his life within the bounds of ecuadorean embassy. Remember there were police waiting for years, just friend across the crossed. The threshold was serious, despite all these overture and threats and demands from the UK, the: U S and Sweden. It seemed that the countries wanted him on trial or arrested or dead, still respected joined.

Tat, magical thinking, point international norms too much to storm the embassy and physically remove Assange, because it would be an act of war. It would be a bad look so as life and freedom were an Ecuador's hands, and this April that support disappeared. Here's where it gets crazy on December, the sixth of twenty atm- very Pollack who is an attorney for Mr Assange? He said that his client will not be accepting a deal. There was at least the talks were happening right then between the UK and Ecuador to allow Julian Assange to be released from the embassy and go about his business? It talks broke down. The agreement was rejected over fears that it can be used as some kind of pretext least, these are fears on the half of Mr Assange and his attorney that the agreement itself would be, just as a pretext, basically away to extradite him back to the United States, because again

he's in the middle he's in the middle of London he's in London and yet in Ecuador, in the UK that their deal hinged on one solid agreement, Ecuador, said well whatever he's done right or wrong, be it as it may. We do not support the death penalty, so we cannot agree to put him in your hands unless you can promises that no matter what happens he doesn't die, which clearly not for that is a gentlemen's agreement, though. Like me, I work at what they demand some kind of written like affidavit them in one hand, them over is kind of, like all bets are off here. Possession is nine tenths of a lie, these corpus, and so on. The problem is that it was. It was pretty much a handshake agree

they may have had, I'm sure they had documentation of it, but the no one made a law. That's just for this one guy and his team. One of one of his lawyers said that the suggestion that, as long as the death penalties off the table, Mr Assange need not fear. Persecution is obviously wrong because, as we know, their fates worse than death and arguably being imprisoned for the rest of your life, whether in a legitimate prison a more dodgy place like Guantanamo Bay. That's nice a life, a lot of people want to live now, none at all. So then, let's go to this year February: twenty nineteen, Australia, comes out. They say: hey guys and we'll just want everyone to know here. Julian Assange, in fact, has a valid passport. Its working. He could use that passport to return to towns. Will good all

power puff towns will Australia. He could go there right now if we wanted to send him that way and the australian government of foreign affairs and trade too fat fat street name then they went ahead and said. Yes, we are confirming here that a passport has been approved for four sir signed by the government and this passport was filed, filed for by Mr Assange in twenty. Teeth, so they say whatever is happening if he makes it here, we're just say we could lose or to see. If we could let him in so he does have a password again. Passports are requisite for people who are the highest in the lowest technically on paper, everyone as they have a passport and go through customs. I still find it so incredible. How, like a document, can have such power answer

got a passport these good to go I'll have rights some. I still get oil that yes, but I still get crept out when they travel internationally cause customs can vary widely, the first I'm always in England. I I had to stop at customs because it wasn't enough that I said yeah oh tell im going to there were like aren't, we need the address and we need to confirm that. That's where you're going to be the guy was cool about even call me squire, which was just Profoundly endearing and passports are essentially a way to restrict several things there, a way to restrict immigration of people at a country mine's undesirable. That could be anything from intelligence agencies to poor people right They also functions way for a country to protect its sovereignty at its borders, and they also function as a symbolic statements

how they feel about other countries. Newer me, it's actually surprisingly, affordable to buy a passport from of like somewhat sketchy country still travel with it really yes view them. That certainly like the whole? Go bag situation right leg, if you're trying to escape we are on the Lamb and you get some shady person who provide the service to help you out. They either forge a passport. I think more often than not, they will buy a passport from one of these countries where too low more easy to combine at Redmond yeah yeah you can, you can buy a second passport from various places. The thing is you have to you have to think about how much how much it will cost you verses. How effective the passport will be, how you know how widely accepted it is, for instance, you can

Get a very expensive passport or minimum investment kind, a loophole of in in Turkey, for instance, it's it's million dollars. He give us, you invest a million dollars. My country boom Your turkish congratulations help yourself to some cuisine to some of our delights and some of those prices go down. A hundred thousand dollars or even lower, but Julian Assange had his own legitimate, australian passport, nine ecuadorean citizen and his australian passport is no guarantee that you would automatically get accepted, cuz any transit country. He went to quit stopping at any point and hand them over. So Wikileaks got word of ill tidings in April, two thousand and nineteen, and they tweeted on the fifth that are high level source within the ecuadorian state had told them. Assange would be expelled from the embassy within days or

hours. While here the changes things a little bit, then I agree news to hear Weena, especially if he's reading His tweets know his his communications are cut off. I do had been reinstated. That point not sure I was hoping that I could imagine him in a carrier pigeon like getting along. Just living in the Alley embassy with his cap phone relationship, yeah they'll, be. Are you Are you pitching issue now now that would be a fun relationship? Who can we get? Could Gilbert Godfrey play? The cat is, moreover, the pigeon. He used the bird he's Guy Brass India, so it's weird because shortly thereafter, another Ecuador

an official, came forward and said there is no decision made to remove them from the London Building and then on April eleventh. They did just that Europe. That is correct. On the eleventh of April of this year, twenty nineteen Mr Assange gets arrested at London's Ecuadorean Embassy by metropolitan police officers. For quote failing to surrender to the court. Can we get a quick, clip of this pretty monumental encounter it'll be brief.

They are going and you should be able to hear him saying resistant things along that line, because we are an audio pie cast. We will. I would like to draw your attention to a sausages appearance, as as gap pulled out, as we said at the top of the show, the years in the embassy had not been kind to he looks in general kind of de shovelled fill. It may seem to yeah long car, weird stringy, air ratty, beard yeah, and you can't blame him, cause he's living under tremendous stress right. That's one thing that was coming here to get the comedy of it, but so many people spent time just busting on the guy's appearance and roasting em. When inside Hey there's, also a precedent: should we arrest journalist? Is he a journalist earthy just like a spy master know both and people like her high, ever look. Look at his beard, though, what's up with his cat,

Why are you skateboarding in the house that was it He has a bad boy. Here is a bad boy. So what were these internet violations where they violations of existing laws that he was continuing to. Engaging over the violations of again kind of this gentleman? agreement or the ecuadorean embassy. We know that Wikileaks pulled a no, you move and they say actually Ecuador's acting illegally because they emanated his asylum in violation of international law. Right, ok, you guess freely get into that would so as the entire time. This is happening. There is a looming figure on the horizon, a figure just over so tall that you can see them over the Atlantic

ocean silhouette. Is it Gaza, with a top hat, it's kind of Mr Aigner, its uncles I am the one who we go to tow with joy and MR peanut, although I feel like Uncle SAM and Mr P we get along, I think they went along yeah there. We think that the other old Uncle SAM is he's a straddling two giant. U S aircraft care, There's one foot on each just surfing across. Give me and towards a that a the song from the South park. Guys oh yeah, he's playing that one you know, you're the one. So the

Where is there? They want a peace. They say now is the time to act, so the file a charge against Julian Assange. They say this guy. We charge him with computer hacking hours after he's arrested in London following first they asked their like hey aright, guys chopped up the Tut Tut tell YO whatever you say, get this guy to us then also, while we're charging him with computer hacking

and then they the drill down into it, so specifically their charging him for agreeing to break a password to a classified government, computer of a full name of a charge of since the most dry, toast kind of like charging me it's conspiracy to my computer intrusion for agreeing to break a password to classify the? U S. Government, computer, dare poetry, sexy, sounds dangerous, so if he gets convicted of this, then he would serve five years in prison, assuming that he was not disappear, which is a possibility and they say that the password was sought by Chelsea Manning Chelsea Manning of former Army intelligence officer. I'm sure we are all familiar with her who provided Assange with a troop of these documents that Wikileaks published in twenty ten. According to the indictment, the one with the very sexy charge, Dame

constitutes one of the largest compromises of classified information in the history of the United States. How embarrassing, when Uncle SAM did you did, he did say how embarrassing and then he shot gun to bud light and then climb back on his clydesdale off into the sense that could you do the first for us all to get? Do you spoke of the airlines will take over the, but yes so they say that he was breaking the mores of journalism. He was not being and traditional journalist when he agreed to help Manning crack the password that letter access this stuff, abbot, mores or not enforceable law, my friend or other just sort of bad form who breaks the law will yeah right, but they said he brutalize its if you're it

in Green Walter, another journalist, it's ok to verify and put out stuff that people have given you, but it's not ok, for you too, them steal it. They're gonna throw that when your crossing the line and doing something completely different in journalism that not more as a conspiracy or aiding and abetting A felony right, I think you're right yet is technically conspiracy, isn't so period with more twenty nineteen were present day were rare, were very close to pressure right now. Right now, look at these were in the moment guys here what the heck is. Gonna happen, he's rearrested. What happens next, we'll find out after a quick word from her spotter, hey guys, it's Jack, O Brien, CO, founder of crack dot com and I host a twice daily news and culture: pod

first with the funniest person. I know miles gray what an it, what an owner always tell you, how much more about how Larry SAM don't tell them about my background in politics as a political operative or anything like that, just keep going on about the fun I wasn't going to a guy. That's guys you can come get caught up on what is happening without feeling the life train out of your soul. At that ITALY's Ike Iced, you find us on the Iheart Radio, app apple pie CAS or wherever fine particles are given away for free guilty ya got to feel me aside, pleads not guilty of the Westminster Magistrates court, but he's convicted of failing to surrender to police on June, twenty ninth two thousand twelve and they re Finally came after him and then he will, it will be sentenced very, was sentenced in Crown court where more serious crimes are heard and then who also face extradition hearings, wanna may. Second,

when, on June twelve, his lawyers are livid their unhappy with this. They say this is a sign of a terrible global trend. Yeah masses to the world. Was I told you so while the most endearing of messages, though so India, it's ok There is precedent for all media organisations and journalists. She goes on since twenty ten, we warned the Julian Assange would face extradition to the: U S for publishing activities with Wikileaks. Unfortunately, today we ve been proven right. Then she added that, after having just spoken to Assange, that his message to the world, was I told you so while the most endearing of messages, though so India, it's ok? Ok, because really honestly, they did kind of further kind of new

this enjoying the size was warning for a long period of time when they're coming. For me, this is happening hears. Why? Let me give you a list. This is what's going to happen, but you know it did take. Why almost seven years, yeah normally I think we can all agree that I told you so is just a super, unhelpful thing to say in any personal situation by it. We should give em a pass on this when cause he did exactly what you're describing mad. He did tell us these it's, so it's

Wikileaks knew this was coming and probably knew for a long long time. The group had repeatedly claimed that the Department of Justice in the? U S is building a criminal case centred on the leaking of those Emil's act, apparently by the Russians and the twenty sixth campaign, and in February of this year President Donald Trump former lawyer, Michael Cohen, who was recently in the press for increasingly just just agree to start as jail sentence in New York. He told us congressional hearing that, for Trump campaign, adviser Roger Stone, who is great television by the way, if you was in contact with the signs before Wiki leaks, released I'll lose emails from the deep sea in the Clinton campaign, Roger Stone. Just for second true story: he has a tattoo of Nixon on his back he's.

Apparently a wild Swinger, they very eccentric character. We place baseball is very erratic, so what you mean David's anything his love life? Sure? Ok, sir, here for more on that want to get me Roger stone it. I dont have stolen Netflix, but it certainly was a little while ago. I think I think right over it behind the bastards did in episode on him. Two nice, you home, Rob I mean raw become desert? Highlight lets us I, okay, we all call on Mr Evans yeah great yeah, but behind bastards Groucho check it out. I will probably have on our shoe in a little while of for his newer pie cast, it could happen here anyway, Roger Stone Course, so one's personal life shouldn't be a basis on which to judge their professional conduct, but that back

it is now as weird did you look it up to say hella weird, but I got a ding for saying that, but yeah I knew about it's just I thought it was a joke. Like I thought, someone in Photoshop that and then I came down. I looked a little deeper into it like now. He totally has Nixon's face tattooed on his back. Swear. Isn't that weird? I did. I have one of those I call on the onion double take. Eureka, you read something like Norway. Let me check that we are living through. This is not the union was the in presidential library. Had this thing where, if you got a tattoo, especially lower back tattoo, you could get into the library for free for the rest of your life. So. Before the vote We had a reason to do it, so NED Land is home to a festival called shaking ease. Long time listener. You may remember that we were

We were excited to go. We economy. The thing out of a few years back was a two years ago, was a good deal just wrapped up yesterday from this year than they also wrapped up their practice of allowing you to get into the concert to get into the festival for free for the rest, your life, if you got a tattoo yeah, I do is that your wife did everything yeah my wife and her best friend both got them was the last possible moment to do. It was desperate clutch yeah. I'm excited, he's gonna get to do that every year and hopefully, guineas may you live forever in Atlanta. Or wherever we end of living in ten years. From now shake this. That's really so here we are and now running into what we could rightly call you'll have to add at me here, but I can't think of a better phrase, a cavalcade of because every

he is trying to figure out what's going on, who handles why who gets Assange at the end of the day? What what charges in which countries take priority? Sweden is talking about reopening the sexual assault case, and so on in the sexual assault case. The way the law is phrased. What is considered assault does differ from what is how how assault as described in the United States, and lead, some other soldiers supporters who many of whom I believe this is just a pretence to get him to the: U S, either that we, to support to say that this is a trumped up charge and speaking of Donald Trump, actor looms. Large inspector looms large yeah and he he said recently. Four out, of course ask in the White House about this and when he was asked by journalist about Assange, President Trump said.

I know nothing about Wikileaks. It's not my think. But in twenty sixteen October, tenth specifically Will Trump was quoted in this is right before the election. He was quote, saying I love Wikileaks. Presumably talking about her emails, presumably above same organizational. Maybe there were two but her emails. But I mean very anyway? It's interesting it's at least worth noting that the President of the United States is both love

this organisation, but also knows nothing about it? It's it's interesting. It would appear to be a pretty hard contradict you re just in again. These are just based on public clips, assuming their not deep fakes or some kind of digital propaganda job exactly then, and it appears that he has either forgotten about Wikileaks or did not understand what it was referring to back in twenty six thing, yeah. It was just so two thousand and sixteen you know I'm just being trying my level best to be fair about that. I've heard, I think, I'm being more than fair about that. I don't know how you guys feel: No, he do yeah, such a renowned organization, I mean especially someone in. Position. Learning all of me needs he had two years roughly to learn all of the security stuff that is happening in the United States, and you have to think that Wikileaks as an organization is on brie.

But maybe not all the time they re as regularly as they publish materials, I'm assuming re it had in clearly the? U S: intelligence apparatus wants to shut the sky, downright adorned, set a precedent of letting things like is not the problem to the three essential bottom and makes them so polarizing is, he isn't really have allegiance? Is that are consistent Gonna lose Ganem like you can't really predict. Who side is he on exactly saunter Trop assign? You haven't he's on the these on his own side or he's on some kind of like the side of like idealistic justice or something and you, Some of the things he dies like with this little live. The Clinton leagues felt very much like there was an agenda there. So it's confusing when you till you ve made it to the top of the show man that it's all about intent. That's it completely true, but the problem with a guy like

this is he's busy beholden to no one really knows or if we they do know, they're, not they're, not telling you just seems like someone needs to be neutralized and everybody wants a piece, because everyone has something to lose from him doing. What he's doing kind of you know? yeah. It's aside conversation, but you know there. I have and soon in sting writings about Hillary Clinton in particular, and about the tendency to perhaps want to engage in wars overseas for strategic reasons and part of you know some of the sum The like deeper stayed behind closed doors, kind of discussions that were occurring around that time. I can

and why a jewel in the songs who you know is known for leaking all this stuff about military engagement would maybe feel like he's, got some kind of personal thing he's got going on there. I see I'm just trying to give that respect. China, China live in their shoes for sex, just firm just where their skin for a moment that the creeping I just like to other peoples We have just decided for people all of your years. What do you say to death? Nor so here we are Julian Assange is currently held. A high security facility called Bell Moorish prison in EAST London. It's a terrible place. He argued that he should not have to serve time. And he argued it by saying that I was essentially imprison when I was in the embassy did not fly with the court. Vice magazine. Wants you to know the prison he's in is no writs Carlton Bell Marsh is equipped

or nine hundred Mhz at a time, but up to a hundred and twenty five of the two persons cells were often crammed with three at least three inmates, just one in six said they could shower. Every day there was a shortage of prison kits prison kits being the toiletries in the clothing that you get so it could. I have wealth in a situation where a checks in plenary is processed and they say: hey man where we have to, She and hygiene because you all you're not gonna get one of those till Tuesday just his eye, Wait till the air of your breath, cheese violently. Let him shave yeah. I don't know it's not it's always not a nice place. Its crowded, ass and problems and issues

As we enter days episode, his legal trials are far far far from over because again his uncle SAM astride those aircraft carriers eating something delicious. That's terrible for you, as my new favorite song, for this episode place subtly in the background I oughta be fried chicken. He say saying yet Julian Assange over here and officials in Sweden, Linda less ostentatious manner are also saying yeah. Well, you know. Maybe he stopped over here on the way, because we think the guy is monster yeah little prosecution to her terrible terrible.

What do you think's next to him now mean more long term? Speaking tours book deals, TED Talks, TED talks, that's tough call this a tough core is gonna, be cancelled, and I don't know I don't know because still when we were first I've, u have to take any allegations of sexual saw very serious. Yes right and it's a great question, no idea. I dont know what to think I do, it's tough to predict what will happen Euro easy, gonna be extradited, I would say, probably depends on how much time, blood sweat and tears the? U S wants to put into it and other larger question so will more where what do you think listening today's he a villain? Is he a hero? Is he easy a pawn in the game of global chess orally? Look here, rock or perhaps another you now chest pieces of some kind sure Bishop

Bishop, as the bishop, said to them. Whatever method, you know the old joke, Kosovo, as actors, said to a bishop where what an egg you said about the shape of the bishop. Yes said, the access to the bishop was a colloquial and vulgar british exclamation offering humor by serving as a punch line that exposes and Tended do blown tundra is about the Bishop North America. Equivalent is that's what she said. Okay, we have one other question. In Spain lingering in my mind that we found a course of research for this, which is the following. Did a bullet Anderson really try to assassinate Julian Assange with a vague in sandwich. Let us know, Thank you. Sir Leon assigns point to. Maybe so let's go the bottom allowing and get to the bottom of thou, and we hope that you enjoy today's episode.

We do have our eye on how this situation will develop. One thing for sure: while legal limbo may have worked in the ecuadorean embassy for a near. Seven years events are probably going to progress at a faster clip from here on and it may be- that a sausages ultimate fate is decided within the next twelve months. We genuinely do not know we will be watching as you are watching and would have another update if it's not important enough to come along we can catch. It in another episode or something maybe- can interview. I don't know It was his lawyers name very Pollack, still in contact with Julian Assange? Are you listening to this? Are you bury Pollux, saunter daughter with horror, relative or maybe coworker, or anything four Jennifer Robinson Assange. Is London based attorney? Yes, get right to us. Let us know

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