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that may be on the minds of many Americans. Today we star, wherever I was kind of hoping to hold off on the spooky story as clincher between the two. If that's ok, silly, that I've headlong into pedophiles sure the area where we are putting it. I guess it is I'm sorry, you rip the bandit. I've guys begun another pet of us for a systematic pedophile story got from out of Germany a listener by the name of and Tom sent this. I know you guys have to tread carefully when covering news like this I looked into this a few months ago- and you can find quite a few reputable news outlets covering this- bizarre and wildly unethical story, although it has had nowhere near as much exposure as deserves sorry to bring this to your attention. Thanks Anton. We accept your apology, but I would love to get or take, and he sends a link to an article with the headline Berlin, a thought,

these place. Children with pedophiles for thirty years take a second to to breathe that one and placed children with pedophiles for thirty years now you might be ass yourself this an oversight were unaware of their records of their sex offender record and they were accidentally place, children with pedophiles for thirty years now it was in fact a program called the Kepler Project in West Berlin, where the government routinely placed homeless children with pedophile men because of a concept that was spirit. By his one individual that posited there pedophile men would make ideal foster parents. A study found that this practice went on for many decades. So all goes back to a gentleman by the name of Helmut Kepler, who

eighteen, seventy is conducted. Psychological experiments are, he was a psychology professor. He put forth this idea. The homeless children ought to be placed with pedophile men, because they would make for a particularly loving foster parents and then an investigation by the university of Hildesheim found that Ladys in Berlin that only lie the other way, but actually condoned this practice. For around thirty years. The idea of sexual contact between foster parents an children was essentially approved. Was sure even thought of his, not that big, a deal, possibly even like a positive thing, like some sort of form of nurturing Berlin's chow welfare offices, the governing Senate's. According to this article, in D, W, in multiple corroborating articles and again that research from Hildesheim University, they turned

blind eye, or even actually approved, of these placements now did you actually only a few years ago, two of the victims of this programme of come forward to tell the story and then the researchers are beginning to dig back through their their archives to you now fill in the gaps and conduct new interviews, I what they found was a quote network across educational institutes. The State Youth Welfare Office and the Berlin Senate, in which pedophilia was accepted, supported and even defend it. Jesus then there be a lotta they're they're gonna be people in the crowd. Who were specific age. So I believe these are a lot of these were disadvantaged youths anywhere from thirteen to fifteen years, exactly right, just some some who have been forced into sex trafficking. As a means of survival. I this is, reported in time

I find this interesting irish times did agree peace on this back in twenty. Sixteen, it's weird, though, because this was not something I think most many people, in our western Europe are, are aware of, and you have to wonder, is this, like you know how unit seven Thirty. One in the Pacific Theatre of World WAR, two euro- that was the research data they gathered. There was useless, they were just or treating people and calling it research. So you have to wonder whether Helmet Cutler believed in these series or whether it was some sort of the rationalization for Turkey in these very vulnerable children over too, as you said, no learn child abusers, at least one who had a criminal record for this, and I think it a day

no the extent of the programme. Do you know how many children we're talking about over this multi decade span United, something that I think would actually be worth deeper dive, because I really read the handful of articles that I you now that we're cross reference in this d w article, but it it almost has the appearance of like take the two. It too, I think you were kind of getting up, and is it almost feels like so many of the foster fathers were high profile, academic, six from we know highly respected institutions like the MAX Plank Institute. Berlin's, free university and also the involved school in Hesse. West, Germany was actually in and of itself at the center of a massive pedophilia scandal in the not too distant past, so yeah, adding like it it's true. This is exactly this reminds me to a degree

how exactly the same of the peace that you covered on a recent either strange news was unavailable, Oxfam as their work in Haiti. Essentially recruiting you know. People in, salute need, as you know, sex sex workers. This I would, though, we need to see more research in this and then and dig deeper into you know these. That was done by the university, but because of the high profile, academics It almost seems, like kind of like a weird, of pedophile ring for the elite, at least it has that that feel, I'm not The accusations here to say now that it has like an organizational quality to other makes me think. Perhaps these were being that it. You know without support from what it said Now the big questions are first off. Cutler cannot be asked about this and timing past

in two thousand and eight, I you know being the subject of controversy, but not. Subject of criminal investigation. As far as we know we also don't know, The official word from the ass, the gaiters and the leader studies is that we don't know to what extent, ah deed german government turned a blind eye to this or tacitly agreed. We don't know to what extent they were aware. Leslie authorities, people in supervisory positions, but a definitely happen, not a conspiracy theory for some sort, conspiracy. I am immensely fortunate that I was not. I wasn't familiar with Helmut cutlery. Work before this story broke, because this story did a couple, distort this story kind of broke and then re broke

keeping up with the ongoing investigation. Just you know, I think I speak for our whole crew ways our hearts go out to the survivors of the terrific practice, many of whom are still alive in the seventies weren't too long ago, so the Abuja if you give me every year on them, they discuss I think there were all feelings on this feeling very strong, right now This kind of the condoning of this from from a highly educated person, though, how do they scribe him in a leading position. The sky high, What color was in a leading position at Berlin Centre for Educational research, at the time in the seventies that this person would then put people were with folks in again we're talking about thousands of kids

as I seen a lot of the numbers, but I did see in irish Times article that around Tina, seventy or in the seventies when this was occurring. There were thousands of children who were placed throughout this programme, and they're talking about people that they replaced with, so Several it says here were high profile, academics, high ranking members of the MAX plague. Institute Berlin's free university in this place called Odin Wild School, which is story of its own, this all occurs in the context of a lot of these it offers were or using knee. Sexual revolution as kind of a cover for their own rationalizations and are the public discourse about Specific genre of abuse was they need this you're being less transparent way with people actively lobbying for things,

be the criminalization of dolls in children and me and of course the rationalization was that this would be so a consensual blots, as we have proven in previous episodes in science has borne out informed consent from A child is impossible. You know what I mean like this. These people were lying and they knew they were lying. At this point from what I understand that study in June twenty twenty, they got release nor I believe that their they're going to at least for financial compensation to the survivors is that correct? Yes, they are looking to pay. Some Magus damages me now for it for lack of any assistance. But also just gonna get to the bottom of it and The government is now kind of on board.

There's no more turning a blind eye and there they like in wanting to hear this Actually, like I mean not only is this a human rights that you know violation. Absolutely no bungle, it's really are horrible pr. Look. You know that, like oh, the government is that laissez faire that they condone pedophilia, I think all of us would agree that that is a bridge too far out, as well This one just makes me angry in the same way the Oxfam store made us all angry because, again, you know purple The situation where you're supposed to be helping these underprivileged children who need support and their little thrown to the wolves and unfortunately, while every every group like this every every year, crime ring of this sort has Tom distinct characteristics they are unfortunately not unique eightys. We talked about this before

remember whether on or off the air, but we do take pains to avoid being exe Creative or sensational listing or alarmist about this stuff, because it does not help the survivors of of these important acts. You know what that means. If you have experienced this network, if you live in Germany and can give us some inside on this, we we would love to hear from you or, if you have experienced the network like this in some other part of the world, but thank goodness or ethical and conscientious investigators on the case in germany- and yet a signal any time. Nobody, you guys, but you I'm just walking through just the bar adapted math. Here, I guess I guess the odds.

Our kind of against a lot of them being alive right now, as we said, the original guy past, we await so because these people would have been adults right. Their highly play academics? They would have been adults in the seventies, sixties and so on. Yeah It's true, and you know what I think is absolutely important to bring up now. Searching their own research. But I would love said to dig in love. Is a strong word here? Put the research being conducted ongoing laying by the University of Hildesheim to see you know what they found and maybe a little bit more detail around the actual predators and the story here here and thank you for bringing this to our attention, gentlemen, I propose that we pause for work, lower, sponsor and moved to another story. Only true, you know to your point, no, that this does deserve a deeper dive in the future,

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urgent political, am parlour and is backed multiple political candidates. Ted crews says Jen was early parlor, adopter and a benefactor of Mercer as well? The platform is pretty crappy terrible. Purity and, in general, just seems in general, ok, sorry, general just think there was an opportunity for upon their, but in general seems slap together, maybe not plan to exist in the long term view is interesting, so Jen first we gotta catch up every but everybody else I parlour sure, if you listen show you you are familiar with it, it is so is classed slash, was once called an altar tech, microbes again social networking service or app, and here and there was its known for having large, a large. User base of people who would be described sometimes as

conservative or further on the spectrum to of far right wing like to the level of supremacist, Anti Semites and so on. There are, of course, people on parlor who on parlor, who were not part of that You guys remember what happened with parlor recently around the time. Twitter and various other large tech companies took? Then President Donald trumps, look his handles and his accounts off line a poor also found itself in a fix this This service, the social Networking service, got its leash, pooled whore, by Amazon Web services vote? You remember, we talked about Amazon in the past make some money selling people stuff. They make a lot of money running web services for other companies and corporations so parlour

was gonna. Take Amazon, the court for this, to say you know you don't have the right to do as our service, and it looked like. Parlour was set to was set to disappear to go gentle internet goodnight as telling Thomas say, but I wanted to ask you guys before we go further with this story. Any of us on parlor. Did anybody make an account to check it out? Anything like that? I had not touching they give. I don't have, but I don't have any the social I'm on my personal phone or anything. So I would never. Your desktop social gave me now really

no we'll play these ways reindeer games. I myself did not have a hand in parlor either their security see notably lacks. You know waiting we In an earlier, your mail, a strange new segment about becoming a verified citys and having to share your idee, Anne and stuff, like that. Not only was it lacks. Like I mean you know, in the same way that a w S pull the plug so the app store is pull the plug. So did their security platform. You know they basically said yeah. No, I don't want to be associated with you and your that's right. That's right, and it looks that It looks as though nor onto something just with Rebecca Mercer, in particular, of Rebecca Mercer, is a co founder of parlour and also was a co founder of Cambridge Analytical, so

so. This person in specific does have approvable hand in both of these but also this person specific, is a very wealthy person. Very wealthy people. Do like this. All the time, so how anomalous is it? How involved these Mercer in their day to day resist. You're, like a thing in the portfolio you I mean like how hands on hands off is: is this person yes exactly. That is a good question. I'm just reading a lot about this for the first time and in some of the latest reporting out of from Al Jazeera. It is it is very interesting to because they you know, there are many people who work for parlor. They were employees, creating this after making sure it functions all the time it is it. Sing to note that according to the latest reporting, as were recording this the please did not quit the there

internal person there collating sing the employees of parlor did not quit when everything seems to be going to crap They were committed to continuing their service in some way once they get it back up. There's the plot question because just like that old Mark TWAIN quote the reports of power His death may be greatly exaggerated. You see just recently, just like yesterday, I believe, are poorly partially reappeared, with help from not a. U S based technology firm. But our russian based technology. For now I look folks. I know this week I'm setting a terrible precedent by continually talking of various aspects.

Of Russia, but this this was interesting because parlour was on so many people's minds and its became. I became one of those public conversations right the responsibility of a tech company or a platform versus the rights of a user weather. Verified citizen, or what have you the russian question is called DD. O s guard their distributed to die Alice Service Protection Company, then like their big competitor in Prague. Something like clouds where so I don't know this. This is the thing if you, but leave that there is something suspicious about Mercer connection to Cambridge Analytical, which we did a show on. I and two parlor then I imagine this is another feather in the conspiracy cap. Isn't it I mean does, it seems, specious. Do you guys, or is this just like capitalism at play suspicious

Yeah, I guess, would Cambridge analytic other big deal? There was gathering up of information right from other, social media network specifically Facebook right up, maybe I'm miss memory. Not, I think, that's correct and then with having having this group this person, this individual connected back to another social media network. That appeared to be growing in popularity, the I think it makes please sense, maybe I'm just not- maybe I'm not seeing them not see the the bad part here, less we're talking about just gathering up more power information from users getting that's happening here. Well, I mean every Social media ab does gather and scrape whatever they can. That's why you don't have those acts on your phone right, but by I would see yes, every every he does this. They concern for people at this point would be controls that are gathered,

easy a friendly government. The antagonistic government is it. You know the big tech companies that already would have this data. I think that's what people are worried about now, That's it. That's a valid worry to have, but it's I mean the big difference here. Let's be honest, the big France is mainly that Russia is not part of five eyes like the main difference in terms of ensuring guess what this is unrelated kind over. If you gets others, wind parlour was initially shut. And taken off the app store. Is many now, but then there were quite a few on Ebay. Unlocked iphones with parlor at preinstalled for legally quite a bit of money and right now molly seeing one, but it's a thousand dollars for it. On eleven and it was always as with parlor app sixty four gigs black unlocked,

May I have the services down at the gets? Yet I have never yet it's the website so it was reachable again eyes of the eighteenth. I wanna say January eighteenth, These ceo, we are all that would happen. If you went to the website was there would be a message from the ceo saying that he was working to restore functionality so, if its, if that site restored in their infrastructure. Comes comes back, users of parlor will be able to see imposed comments on the site. The app, however, as part of the reason all that no mention of Ebay so interesting, because the app is banned from Apple and Google stores, there's probably going to continue the controversy about this but yeah leave, if Mercer is, if Mercer evolved and his and on is her team collecting

stared into your point, Matt, where they sending it. What are they doing or the giving it to like campaigns in the future? I can see that being a good business model Oh for sure, I can see that happening, yeah, but I don't know man old, I'm reading here, been something about changing because the Euro, NATO, yes, was the big issue rights are there are looking to another company. You said that was the dd o S company, due to you as a security. I think d this is their doing security, but then the domain is actually it looks like it may be going to another service called epic. Is that is that what I am actually reading here, there's one called p r k, that's where domain is registered now, I'm destructive, some of these threads dinner remain report, because new info is coming out pretty quickly, given that just a few days ago, when an assent

can kind of came back so there's another aspect: you will this benefit this organization? Will this benefit this happening, because if there are a lot of people who see themselves as perhaps more on the through America, side or the patriarch side. However, it would be phrased more can, lives. I perhaps are users going to return. Are they gonna feel comfortable with New russian Association. With the app I mean it's a good question. I dont know what the ass It's an I'm sure. Not everybody will answer the same way, but then what we, what we'd Mercer do with that information? we want to hear from you. This story is still developing. I think they're gonna be plot twist aplenty, as it continues Obviously the three of us are not super into any new

non governmental thing that requires you are social security number or photo of, driver's license. What's the ex blood type list of fears, no known of frequencies of defecation or something like Med tech, medical technology gets involved, the social media. Next thing, you know your bpm is or just updating automatically that's the world. We're headed toward this is a small piece, Well yeah? I am addressing the extra funny part about that. As you know, we talked about living. Certain paranoia, unlike internet kind of fear, the monk Kind of culture, wrapped up in things like you in on some of the super far right. Conspiracy, Movements- and yet these folks are just giving like their GEO tag, data to this app in utter trust and, like lino completely

at least because of lack security measures. So I mean all of these folks that are essentially outed and dogs to themselves by taking cell. These and life seems now we're going to see others videos trickle out and The really you know from the heart of the capital, You know, insurrection situation are quite troubling action beating Siena being being meted out to the security guards, and things like that are rather capital police. So I think, is fascinating that are so much distressed and this desire for anonymity, he's kind of scenes, and yet this is like the exact opposite, whether literally uploading their drivers, licence agreed, you know, and that's part of that's part of What social media in general thoughts were tight by an impasse like a drives you the aid, to drive you to ultimately road your own boundaries of privacy, to whatever degree that company feels viable and profitable for them

Each doesn't necessarily make them bad ages means that wish all be aware of what their mode of its so well I want to take it a super conspiratorial than sure. Let's go Let's get you were conservatory. Also, let's say you do have another state of that what's to activate a populous where a small group of the past was that does happen to be armed in is adamant in their viewpoint, in let's make it, let's make a baton with super time wants to do sure, but all of us to do it and they happen to have a web hosting service and they happen to have access to bar an access to other ways of infiltrating a social network that they happen to host. You could extensive. We pushed the needle enough generate. Further resentment tour,

whatever power that that bees whenever, a whatever power that exists in ferment enough? What to wear, you Kurds Park for her revolution. That's taking it really fast isn't it isn't that what the arab spring was but like that was viewed positively because it was an insurrection against you know oppressive forces in Libya. There was a lot of social media support for intervention and then later it turned out that the entire reason for intervention in Libya was too for France to be able to control the currency, retain control of the currency I don't know. I know I'm not trying to an epic at all. I just think it's ended interesting because it's almost like you know the folk There are in this into this whole parlor thing or into this whole movement. They would argue their freedom fighters and their rebelling against an oppressive regime, and you know ten times that are, You met holds water here, I would argue, definitely definitely does it,

you know we always say one person's freedom fighters, another person's terrorists, that leaves the medium does. The meaning play a part in that you know that Rome Gadget great question alone. Your point about the arab Spring men and now I think that should be brought up in their conversations were often but of its. If its super conspiratorial, ok, Matt, so booty, God has moved away from gross national. Happy is now there and the other into asymmetrical warfare and they do it through social media. I mean there's a question and how much influence do they actually have an? How much do they need to have right, if you're that deep in the infiltration of the EP itself of the hosting of all of these things, I think there are numerous ways that you could gain the system enough to get a message out. It doesnt mean a message very effective. It doesn't mean everybody would bite on that bait, but it does mean that the potential

could be there and, like you said it could be, that potential could this across any. So media network across any web hosting service in that doesn't, in its true that's why recalling the section very super conspiratorial, will also also Jane what I love about this question is, I think there I think there are absolutely is a plausible connection between Cambridge Analytical and parlor with having a hard proof of this other than they share the same cofounder. I think it is. It is possible, if not plausible, would use information gleaned from one company to help. Europe Company succeed if possible, because that's What business owners do you know what I mean? That's like the consolidation are very

industries, like we see, with with trust with information and trust lake. Henry Ford didn't want to just own a car actor. You wanted to own the mines, you wanted to build his own rubber plantation. He did by the way called afford land area in Brazil, huge failure, because it did work for bunch, Recent that's neither here nor there, but we do we do take. This bears keeping in I want to hear your opinion about Cambridge analytical possible connection to other things: go on a whim, Bob Ross Conspiracy Journey with us in and string some string some points together. I would love to hear from you with that being said with all that stuff, said about social media. If you were watching this odd youtube, dot com, slash conspiracy, STAR smash that, like button continue, they got research

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here- thinning or loss, vomiting, rash and loss of appetite all right, we'll back so everybody we're gonna. Take first party to a whole different level: Are you ready for my favorite? Listen, correspondence that we ve had in quite a long time? Are you ready for it I was already for it. I was not ready. Maybe I'm nine we are not. The way I was I know this too, but I I read it and I'm still not sure whether I M ready for it. But let's, let's give it a go. I'm just going to read this: and we'll talk about it afterwards. This comes from lorry good evening. I've waited a process. What happened before emailing you guys the weak, after Halloween, that's twenty twenty, my favorite holiday. I woke up around five, a m from a dream where my loved one

and I were cuddling while watching television. Note, Laurie does not live with her significant other. She dreaming about being with her significant other who is not at our house. Karabakh. It I woke up lying on my left side. That's important along in my bed in my home. Eyes, shot open and I tried to stay as still as possible because, as I lay there staring at the wall, I felt my toes Curled around his toes, I still felt toes but I was alone in my bed. I was dear to roll over. I was a de move at all, then? The toes were gone. I kept telling myself, it was just a fading dream and I'm not gonna see anything when I roll over and I roll over this lightning white figure in the shape of a very tall thin man sat up, we were face to face.

I could see through him. Reminding myself that I was awake than the man spoke loud with a deep voice and very very fast. So fast that I have no idea what he was saying. I say. No, no, no and he disappeared. I stay there for a bit and I had go get my oldest son to sleep with me. Coca worthiness pause here for a moment, first of all, what an experience right this reveals. It feels similar to what we just discussed with our Dm T entities that we ve seen that humans have been experiencing. Where there's this energy. Being that somehow manifests reminds me Sleep paralysis, specially laying on the side there experiencing something like that, but there are

reasons that we're gonna get into why it doesn't feel like either of those things why it isn't either of those things, do you guys have any reactions to that first section there yet I mean, I think you are thinking nail, some of the Eu Common, facts here, like the idea that the experience could be sleep paralysis which, which me terrified, it's one of the episodes that we ve had the most response to over the years We wonder too about the the sense that we don't talk about often enough proprio, section which is the sensation of where your body parts are in space. Even if you are not look happen directly, lay guy that that ties in two things, like the the phantom hand, experience that some people report when or phantom limb when they are experiencing reputation. It also ties in

you this this part of your story, lorry you, your feelings oh, but you know, you're alone in your bed. She feeling this sensation of something that is not part of your body. Just to buy a we go. We gotta give go because again take Laurie. I don't know how you were back to sleep. We can keep going We'll talk about that. I just want to say I talk to lorry for quite a while today before morning this and He says that she has experienced sleep paralysis since she was a kid. She knows exactly what it feels like. She but the experience is in this- was not that she said she was now still asleep when it occurred and she was able to roll physically roll over in bed and then will we be able to sit up and still was heavily having this visual stimulation of this being that she

she described. I asked, are you know a couple tumbling described me more, what you're looking at and she said he was just lightning like whose white as wide as lightning- and I could see through him but he was as long as me and you tell it was in the shape of a person and always say it was male, because the voice I heard was so deep freely really interesting stuff. Yet from what I understand beast just on the letter here, no more. He said when the when this figure is speaking there, their speaking in deeper voice, but their speaking very, very quickly, Ziggurat Matt when you in lorry spoke. Where were you able to get a sense of what? If anything, this figure was attempting to communicate or even just snatches of phrases. And she was unable to tell even a few speaking English. It was difficult to tell them. She said the utterances were so quick and deep that it was just sheet

she was experiencing such fear like such a reaction to it, there She doesn't remember any that she's a recall exactly what was being said in his fast. He's me that perhaps this person, nor this thing wasn't even speaking English, but that this is the point. I think we should continue down the letter, because there's more here and lorry experienced more, she says after this experience, she fell back to sleep immediately. Craig maybe because she said her saw in her eldest son came to join her in Betty he's a teenager. She probably felt safe with him, She was able to fall back asleep. However, Next day my son came home from school. He was pale, and exhausted when I asked What was wrong, he told me that he couldn't go back to sleep after this whole thing has happened and he joined her in bed because he kept hearing a voice that did like his voice and it was mumbling against the far bedroom wall. Ok,

and lorry says he's correct. The man's voice was very similar to my sons, but in a deeper register and what lorry confirmed to me that both she and her son experienced this weird thing where it sounded like. An older version, then old. Version of her son speaking. So that they're kind of blue my mind, and it made start. Thinking about the terminal. Franchise win time travel involved and you know, there's lightning or essentially that transport someone back through time. Maybe think about a lightning being but somehow was her son time travelling Nazi that's what it is? made my mind real it'll. I was there, not just specifically Terminator here, but I was thinking of the the concept of non linear experiences with time. So, let's, let's not stop. Let's keep going through the so lorry says that

This made her realised that there are a lot of other things that she had previously discounted that she and her family had experienced. She says that there are, coincidences that she rationalized there's weird stuff. So on two different occasions. She said at her and her children her child's badges yet to children. One is older. One is younger. Her younger trials bed was poor out from the wall towards the middle of the room. It's a twin size bed, so not huge and heavy, but it still hefty for a three year old and just wondering why did happen, she figured her older son, probably went in there and move the bed spoke with both her sons now their of them had been in the room. Neither of them had moved the bed they just so ok, that's a little weird, they pushed it back, but then it happened again and He couldn't figure out what was going on her face I was even evolving thinking, there's something weird going on there, then on sex

different nights, she's awoken to the sound of a man mumbling at the furthest wall, the first side Wall of her bedroom also the sounds of someone physically rustling around in that area of the room she even experienced at one point that same voice, rushing towards her so like a voice beginning at the far end of a room and then moving towards or just a disadvantage voice. Moving towards her sorted out there They immediately makes my mind: go to a very popular horror, movie, sound design technique where the voice has reverb on it. That's been flipped backwards, so kind of re verbs into the voice, and I kind of picture that, like as a rushing kind of like an equality of it like a moving through space at you, have certainly never experienced anything like that, but that that's a mediaeval my mind, hones into localization here it's another, its theirs

another thing that's important year for this detail: lorry, which is that if you can localize or since the direction and location of a sound. Then it me that you are hearing things through both ears, which in which is an important unimportant. Neuro cognitive, detail least didn't well, you know. Sometimes people have said they only something in one ear. It's a small d oil, but an important one to consider what the things I love that lorry when I spoke with her she's, very much attempting to rationalize everything, so she's attempting to figure out what it. What is the most the common denominator here. What's the most rational thing, probably my knee television. There was too loud, and I was just curing into those experiencing that when I hear the mumbling there a couple when her bed would move right around five eight.

Sometimes a little earlier, especially when her alarm wouldn't go off. She said her bed would be physic. Shaking, and she would wake up to the two Physical Movement of her bed, rather than an alarm or her son, coming into wake her up the way he would sometimes she's noticing a couple other things where their objects that are too placed around the house or knocked over and there's even an instance where all of her light bulbs went out on the same all the light bulbs the voice where she lives, in which you know that would be super unnerving heard, or it could just be an electric you. You can explain away with some kind of electrical surge that caused all of the light bulbs to get too much power to them too quickly and then thus them all. The coincidence that doesn't happen often the boy this is. This is The last word in a red from this email, inward will consider that this is how lorry ended it. I felt this man's body.

Saw this man ass, bright, ass, lightning. I heard this man, mice, I heard this man and I will never unseen on feel or on here him. This happened. Yet and what was your sentiment obviously from from the email she really does strike of, analytical kind of town like she really comes off as someone who is describing a thing not like behalf, remember dream, but like a thing that happened to her and then, like you said very much trying to assess out and try to, analyze every little details on how she was on the phone as well. My shoes, much like that on the phone and in its something that is as disturbed her pretty heavily specifically be. It appears to be affecting her son as well, and they seem to have shared experiences, so it doesn't feel like just something it happened in her sleep and then went away or something she experienced in a dream, stayed or sleep. Well, the state, the fact

that her son, that bothers son so much that he was just knew it and his day is essentially hearing here. Me this voice everything here is that I did easy armorial. I was asking her. As you know, detailed cos about all this stuff and she was responding you as somebody who just making something up. You know I can't I can't prove that too to you or to myself that she wasn't making anything up, but she knows- and I certainly felt there. She wasn't- and you know there- you know it ask her about- disappeared because she said that this this this thing this being appeared in her bed, then just kind of disappeared when she said no. No no and she said that it was- essentially half a second couple mill, seconds of like a fade out and then just like nothing ending. I would you say I've experienced something like that before, where I've woken up for dream, I'm still half asleep kind of

I, like my eyes, half closed or something in my dream, State is providing images. If you I've ever seen that kind of almost like images, better flow, downward or in a circular pattern. Deal still get the light essentially, I fixed something like that, but never in the shape of a person the physical sensation with an audible voice. You might be surprised what you can do, because that is that is more of the site doors and elusive dreaming, to me. I know uses this phrase often gets a reuse, but that really is a cognitive luminal state, if you're ever in that state, by the way, folks, which everybody has some boy Give yourself give yourself some credit try to try to just imagine some cool scenarios, your basically at that point, you're in the hollow deck, where you still steer to a degree, but then once you're out like a like snow, you driving.

More to subconscious were arguably you experiencing a quantum, a plausible. Into a universe, just left devours or to the right or another timeline speaking of that. I had a I've, been having a lot of very strange dreams lily in tat kind of like really capture. I'm her speak them out loud re when you wake up There are very easily kind of totally forgotten, but I had one ass night. Where was the three of and we were like in a band- and we were playing the new code, Cello Festival, which was taking place inside a giant church, and we were all therefore sound check and Atlanta wrapper Gucci Main and his crew were there and sound checking, they were all very british and not southern at all, and you, Three of us sat down in the balcony of the church, waiting for can. The soundtrack and the good man and his crew came up. Lesson told us that we were sitting in their seats. Which I made a big fuss and ended up getting into a fist vie with good and that's all I remember.

But because we only there don't don't fight. Gooch, Main at church, fella, there was once a month but that is the moral of the story. I think that, but now I mean look. I also wonder if this is totally different by if you guys ever, lay had Lakota Gub piece of mature in your room and maybe like a coat rack or something and in the light or lack of why it really does look like a figure and if you wake up a dream, and you see that the court of your eye, you are for a moment, convinced that that is actual figure them. An actual entity in your room, This is a mistake. I have a hat rack on my my closet door that, just like all my baseball, hats and sort of an ivy shape and because it's a hat you picture a hat is being lay representing ahead. I sometimes wake up and see that an spoke. The crap out of myself, yet get some kind of like that. That's been occurring lily with light coming in from the morning through a window and

a tree, that's obscuring a certain part where it does form the shape. It's a bit human like and if I'm still I can see that the Army Norbert like he's been our brains, can do some really seeing things as that information is being processed and were kind of transferring over from one mode to another. What I would say, in what I'm gonna wanna leave us with on here. Is that lorry is. She really want to know what happened, she has purchased equipment audio and video equipment that she said in her room where this occurred. She's, got motivated right, she's gonna motion activated nitrogen camera. That is currently full. The memories for social, his capture right now and she's going through it to see if anything shows up so, hopefully you're here soon back from lorry, if she's seen anything or if we ve got some footage to look at, you have to send it

also, I want to say just on a personal note, I love writing sale tickets. Clear and concise, and they think you're a good story, teller. Ah, what am I sentences that really surprised me in your email, worry when you said my aunt, time is literally been stolen and I my alone time for some people that might seem like, weird thing to worry, in this situation, but Laurie. I gather that the way you get about, we all get that right, you're, sure, Does it. I just want to say I figure, I think, you're a swell writer, lorry and Matthew, and when I was reading it at almost had the cadence of like a car, creepy, pasta story. You remain like one of those very condensed contains spooky stories, because I was on the edge of my seat reading. It always does. Why had the collar and doktor because it did it, it felt unreal. Innocent first thing that we talked about was this feels like some

has been written in an usually no. I am. She was so adamant about a genuine too. Does. She does that this happen very shortly after beginning the listener show the zone, fully our shows in hunted and end. It wasn't me, speak colonel but lily. I could tell you with me as far as high. Remember a big yes. Thank you writing inward keep us updated other folks who have stories of these similar experiences. You know many of us find ourselves doing our best to analyze something from every angle, and sometimes we can't come up with an explanation. We want to hear out your ghostly or paranormal conundrums, thanks also to Anton to Jen. To every single person who has written in who was called. We

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