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All of us that no mission control myself, I have been a big fan of J Conrad's work in conflict journalism where he often risk life and limb to shed light on stories and conflicts that are rarely reported at all. in the western world. Much less reported objectively, that's been the case for a long time. Additionally, Jake is a filmmaker you ve, seen on vice. You ve seen him on each veo pro public up Beilin CAT Bbc News. The list goes on one personal for it is popular front grass roots, investigate organization, Jake, founded back in twenty eighteen, and if you are, If you read the headline of this episode in you're, trying to figure out what the hell is going on with on Will Jake is your man we, have no hyperbole a thousand questions for you Jake. I don't think we're gonna get to an all, but first things. First, you so much for coming on the show today, Norman,

Like I said earlier that these be my favorite put Carson's was about twenty two, so yeah really happy to be gash. While the feeling is me, you're, saying you nonpartisan mine, blowing, lay excellent tank. web to unravel and a fine job in. That's only three episodes in and that is caraway for what's to come, I dont know what is to come times are right. Listen the question about location, so your career as war rapporteur has taken you across the world to allow to place, that wouldn't be considered. You know top ten tours. Destinations to say the least you, ve been you. You ve worked in Syria and Palestine from Peru to Iraq, to Ukraine as well as Turkey, which we must explore in depth in today. Show the first class

I think a lot of people are gonna have listening. Today is what inspired you to take this career path and what was your first actual conflict report? experience experienced light, Good question I mean I'm not good at that. Many things and I didn't do well at school. A school is definitely not a thing. I was good and I just like you know, left one like sixteen didn't do college or anything, but anything. I was ways like keen on was reading. Rights has always reading amendment Miranda was a science, we light. Look if you just- you can teach herself so much, which is true. I saw it has always been a good like big Rita, and then I just to write. You know I can write so I started off his kind of light. You know experimenting with print journalism and our duties coups and not just to wine. All a guy can try this. But at the time I was a bit like. Oh you know someone like me can't do you know what kind of I didn't really have a good perception of what journalism was other than like the guy on the news, with a tie right.

but then, as I read more unlike read these books, specifically by journalists that William embedded with militant groups from whatever, as yet Like I wanna, do I've always been drawn to kind of like the dark things If you know I mean over, that's like crime or what conflict or whatever, so For me, I just I remember I read a cool reading books by like other jealous and just like blue my back. You know I mean I like this is amazing, like this is real and these guys actually Wendy so like a long story short. I was just in pushing away, and I guess, when I style vice, I was kind of already reported on conflict stuff. And eventually I ended up in man. What like cars? Like twenty fool, I think the first front line I went to was around. when, like ISIS, were still in Mosul, so that was cool, and honestly, like it wasn't. It was like pre, chill location where there was a much going on at the time. It was more you think like slight hanging out with the late

So it is in that, but then like getting the big like first big one would like South EAST Turkey. You know like we mention low bit like that, was like an open combat. You know situation where the front line is the street where, whether corner shop and my people live? So I guess like I, just I just got real before- and I felt like I understood it on some level in all a coffee alarm- that's good. Who kinspeople in I mean I don't know what round is I don't know what gun disease I don't know munition that is adapt to me is not their interest in. For me, it's like how did you people end up just be a normal people and then something happens in their lives and they kind of have to take up arms. That's me is always given interest, and so I M on adjusting for me phone parts of the world. I don't wanna, say funds. If, like oh yeah, it's a game, you told me that the book debates there I enjoy with my job is kind of. You mean P b would never know me me and seeing them kind of in these situations and China tell their story,

Why are they day? How did this happen? trust you and say like this business, nothing as common, good, fun, I think, is adjusting to like how quickly our brains kind of normalize things that are completely insane you're in a situation like that, where its literally on your Sri in your neighborhood and yet tariff but people live, and maybe that's me in in parts of what it must be like for you, just be around people their living as are living through these things, but also not like living in abject terror. Twenty four seven! I could imagine, maybe I'm up over thinking it no you're right. It's like days for me, as well as one of the most fascinating things like I remember, a kind of a scene in South EAST Turkey with the Kurdish, like youth militants and narrow teenagers, and we kind of stopped after those like a baby firefly like talking military firing into the village from upon some mountains and then after

gonna die down. We just sat there like on on the ground in these kids, like ie like pouring out Co Clegg here, the intellect exclaimed. You want these and then these won't give just playing on his phone with it case on over his shoulder and while this is just a surreal, you know I mean that's me ways been fascinated: the kind of people get really dumb idea. They think people live constantly worn is like non they just let you mean I want to live and unfortunately, in all its on the doorstep of the time. In all these places, where there has been real danger to the people living there every day of you know of their lives. They, like you, say it again to this. What is hopeful temporary situation where something must be dealt with and there is conflict that is violent centres? no danger to those human beings that are there to put your? in that situation, whether for a job or by your own volition too, to put yourself

they're into go and talk to somebody that may be in opposition to a government or in opposition to some other armed force. That feels like a virus, everything in a very dangerous thing to do, but also. As you know, if you listen to the show you We think that a very important thing to do and I wondered- oh line. I know the answer this question and will mean oppose it as though I dont, but what is the What is the most harrowing situation? You have found yourself in because of your job and what you do my grandma go, madam you and she found out and cereals within our animals real wide scope. I would like- and I wasn't Iraq was in cereal excels, but not like we're going to jail in Turkey must definitely was like the biggest issue like TAT was just like. Oh dear, oh dear, I just thinking like

I knew I was my luck would run out. You know like I knew it was gonna run out, and then he really did not like oh Christ bought sign time it like really valuable lessons about freedom, and also me how the people like that, I guess, the old like threat to these people filming with right in all. I remember after I got out. I speak some kurdish people. I never like now. You know how we feel like yeah chilean. So in a way it was good experience. Just in terms of my life experience in a kind of shaped mobile have you a little bit more, but certainly at the time. I didn't think that at all as I, what have you done, you know I saw it wasn't good, So this is for folks were unaware. We're talk,

about a situation that occurred in twenty fifteen when Jake you and your colleagues, Philip Pendel, Berry and Mohammed Ross Fool. A rocky kurdish journalists were detained by the government by oddly enough. If I understand This correctly, you were detained when you returned right, because you were gone to Turkey. Previously, That's right, yeah yeah, he's right, we'd be near twice before filming, but you gotta you gotta, understand like before. When we were filming, the government wasn't as restrictive as it is now. Right I mean I mean, does not biased, that's a pure fact. It's like the second jail of journalists. Worldwide. You can go to prison for saying something bad about the government on Twitter. You know it's crazy so when we were first day it actually wasn't like that. You know there was a ceasefire between the kurdish militants and the government and it was it was dicey, but it wasn't is bad way and then, when we were there, the third time, that's

the cease fire was very over. You know it was open warfare in the streets and in the South EAST we were kind of the first to get swept up like that. You know like a lot of journalist after that start again arrested, deployed hundreds of like local kurdish repose, completely gone. You know all imprison, Mps everything, but we would at the start that you know so boasting I'd like we, of course, you're gonna get rest dislike. Actually, if you look at the context of what was going on at the time no like they could have easily just deployed. As at the airports. We already made a film of these kurdish militants one time before, so they could hear like not get it wasn't that at the time right, it was kind of the star of the I mean, like you know, the brutal authoritarianism Quite then, as its died, we were gonna look because there are people who have done like two years, you know just region It is kind of less off the like two weeks after been several different prison, there was a lovely international pressure, and you know

I think they will I These gamma his old thing, I could certainly tell in the jail like one time the guy was like you know they were like, nor that nice and then, after it was on tv, they were like much nicer. All of a sudden. There will write another. They kind of help actually really did at the time you working or vice news correct as right yeah. So how much help did you get from that organization or how he perceived. How did you get from their organization when you're in this situation to go in his voice at the time were like excellent? They hoped to so much. You know there's a lot of issues within journalism, specifically around conflict. Al Jazeera were hot would the way they allegedly treat. Some of that report was when they went to prison, not supporting them enough, but does this a few cases actually

news organizations but honestly, like a council, vice news enough like what you know, I don't really get on with them now, but what they did for us, then it was a different vice news them, but what they did for his den like did everything and more you know. I mean lake and to this day, still like looking after certain things, the case is still ongoing. Believe you're not like five years, let alone the evidence. This brings us to, I think, a macro trend. So, according to the committee to protect journalists issued report back report back in early December, twenty nineteen, where they said the way they phrased it was over. Twenty nineteen, at least to utter in fifty journalist across the planet, have been him prison somewhere of further, wording, and they also said this is the fourth street year number has been that high, so egos course without saying for a lot of our. U S, listeners arrest her on the rise in the. U S is well Jake.

Do you see this trend increasing in the future? And, if so, why? I do? I dont know why specifically, but my like own theory is the we kind of This whole post truth world idea like it is kind of real. You know that I am really see any where Is that used to Mamma dont? Really my or any more right like to be honest, Looked at, replied De La Research and this guy prisoners. I wanted something like how can I help other journalists to end up in prison and the future right, and if you look like the nine and whatever. If journalists went to prison, it was a big deal in whichever country that from re like and people were like, while they were outraged, we now like people just calling you know, that's bad tweet, you know don't and its things, don't have the same cultural impact anymore, and I think I think For me, it is a lot to do with it. I think technology is a lot to do with it and I think they call like post. True thing is: is it

and you know the rise of kind of right wing populism where these can just be shrugged off like is about that and then even though the kids, you know things the euro, If Watergate happen. Now, I think I don't know if people be that lay. I really I'm not sure, and I Think no was the warlike windows chain. So it's been like smashing tick. Thou with you know, I just think things are so much the sleep like people just its people. Did he tell much sudden authoritarian? and realized they can get away with more right uns they do what, in that the term post truth in it self. Is surreal and sound like something from Orwell like any really sounds like a joke like its satire, but that's what it is or it

post, modern, but we know a modernism is truth. Is an objective thing right lately, it's true or it's not true, but we're living in this time. That's called posed true thoroughly. That's it terms being around. I think it's totally on point q and Not only are products of this concept year, I think, they're post posts, truth. You know what I mean. I let you let's go about about the pike. Zero tolerance is the name and you like What are the tablet shows this insane web? That is Q, and on that honestly, we do the show you know we. and when we first run across it I was I I don't know what the hell does is I doin. Understand what this is. and I knew I think we all it's it's a headache for me as well, but lay I mean I wanted a little break from constantly doing conflict in all. I, with my my project popular front: it's all conflict were point,

those like man, Anita need just like a little break from this. for me? I currently have a break or Bobby work in a light, be busy Olano, like I do know the project you know like a set of been listened to. These podcast for years are love conspiracy theories and all it going. the teenage allow you to believe in the most crazy stuff. You know and then lacquer What is wrong with me, but now is an arrow. I just I just still love research in them looking into them find out why they are open and is always that one percent of me that's like made. You know every and it gives me interested in them. So when I you know why you know how people watch, like you guys, like trash tv right, leg, lake reality tv they people. What's that one wind me I was, conspiracy, documentaries, like outrageous you know what I mean. So I can First, you and unjust. Naturally, you know like watching big for watching whatever and then and then there was q and on and as I do This is like

the mother of the conspiracy theories rights like the whole umbrella of every conspiracy theory. I've been reading, since I was a teenager things under it and when I saw it was taken off I just liked. surely no ma like so that's good, the point where I see the election coming over that man, I want to do something like about this new. Some great What cars already out there. You know Q Anonymous, and you know it is other ones out there and saw a lie. What can the angle be? So I guess mangoes like let me all these great researchers together in my research and we can- the guy you know by the enemy was about to say look. This is where we think you is not just me is hunch not just because this guy says or where we want to be like a a b b. You know what I mean these matches up that matches up and same time kind of tell the truth on story and unwrap of everybody. You know this is not a podcast poor. People are already know about you. I went

be accessible for everyone right and his heart is very hot- to write. I'd like this incredible web of light information is just so unbelievably farfetched, but did today going to. This may be why they believe- and this is where it comes from and and mentally or not actually trying to love for these cuban on even I'm gonna love and like all Molly is quite sad. You know like there have been families torn apart from these, and is that so many people can believe in things. So outrageous, I was saying in a faint news at the news you know, and I think that's a failure of not justice This, I think, that's a failure of a lot of things. Media, education, it's like gear, like the ultimate from point of view, the conspiracy theories in the last twenty years. I think that's a long way of explaining what ye he has matured this perfect, because one thing that strikes me about pew clearance is that you.

take on a herculean task unravelling. You know the almost like the full. work etymology of how this came to be the future of where we are go how it evolves. There's there's an excellent interview: where, were you talk a bit about Cuba? as a meadow conspiracy and there are so many conspiracies that reach that met? A point is just Finally, they take several decades or centuries to get there. And this one just went like three is near within. Yes, Why will you guys? Yes, I remember when you probably due to it you ve been looking at above top secret and of other forums life, in reading an anonymous post with somebody, saying they ve got all this secret information on Alex. That was the end of January, and I will therefore look like

so I mean we would look at that stuff and do our level best to attempt to prove thing or to find some kind of evidence somewhere of stuff, that's being said there and it was for. Me. Personally, a very exciting our to two hours. couple days of going down rabbit holes and wondering how much this phenomenon. This idea that there, It's a secret person named Q is playing into those same things, the same chemicals that were being released in my brain. When that was my pursuit, oh! No! No! Definitely, I think you that's the crux of actually that's how we kind of spread? I think, because it's fun right is exciting, because queues is to them. You do your own investigations. You are the news now, so you go these light wine moms and whatever like no offence the. Why moms, but what I mean is they don't have anything else to do a lot of time, re the kids wherever and so they just like all day on the computer. They ve got time to research here,

They just feel they are like there's an accomplishment right and then you can share with other people, and I look what I found and then I got a while. Then a community starts to form and then and reaffirm each other's value. Based on the research you ve done. That person is useful to my group. That person is useful, and then the rule in this big thing where they think they're being By Intel from the White House, they feel like the foot soldiers of a revolution from their desk and does work. very addictive, I think for them nor any kind of doesn't matter when it when it turns out. It's like. Oh that didn't, and even though she said it was gonna happen literally at this time of day. In fact, as we record this right now, this three years to the day of the first, ever Q drop on John, when near he said he was gonna arrest, Hillary Clinton, whatever didn't happen, but buddy. Don't almost doesn't matter when the predictions don't come through. Is there having so much fun this all wrapped up in it? it's like you, just find a reason why that Denmark

You know I wanna Cleats. It's who is doing on the friends remain along the way right, but it's no! It's not that you at all it's zero percent Chilean also, unfortunately occur come dangerous, they just want to follow up the without seeming, herculean task, so one that is called like frankly about this a bit of the choose, your own adventure vibe. If you remember those old paperbacks I'll, have you Have you run in winter when you're exploring this story, I want to spoil things from the show, but have have you seen much of what I would describe as individual customization like have you seeing someone be the waste of reason. In what q forms and say: look this part of its true this part of it. He's not Does that happen or more or less lockstep nano

it does happen. Manage leads light. That's a good question, because I was really something just the other day. Well, a guy. That was not a cue. I started looking at his posting like progress. He was just getting like hang on why, when is it going to happen? When is adequately the plan? No one really knows what the plan is, but don't worry about that. Colonel like when is it going to happen, and this guy would just like this is it's like you literally like going himself out of it. He was like none of these predictions of happened like any kind of let another other people alike that is a guide I watch right and he seemed like such a nice guy and by his deed, in Cuban on very believing conspiracy and he's like more modern lackeys. Is not an anti Semites is not raised do you know any he's not really deep in them wacky side of Cuba. He was what you might be able to cool like a more moderate too, and then you I'd like the far off

extreme version of key, where it's all satanic and by these are being he and I know that so there are levels to it. but I say that even these, like all this guy, seemed lovely and then well. When we go away, will hang with the Democrats for treason and Oh, I think he's not that nice, you know so even delay. Well kind of two do ones alike. Have this very dark concept of violence at the end of this year, and I think that something the interested me where from one doom conflict. Actually another go spend like what seven years reporting from conflict an ideal. I engage in terror law and I'm a very like very online guy, like always have been of all like something awful like big time intellect for Germany. cool when, like you know, anonymous run, there is a clear and whatever subways memorial line. Then I see these guys tree, warlike a football match I'm these among decide, Jake use the Euro. We lose the good guy and then nobody,

reflect video aware, decide that they, like you, know one another year, Gray and its light will www cheering on is like mass death and horrific violence right the reality of that when you see you know I've seen some like I've seen stuff, but you know I really love Zena View. Gnarly situation that it's not you don't know you you just gotta. Isn't this? Sadly, given this horrific that this is happening, and I think the hurons have assumed Why were they sell a year? Will have you body for treason and what are they stuffiness? I do know what that will look like like you. Are you gonna do that like Yoda foot soldiers of key, where you can hang people on mass lay just because they both for different way so that when you enter into the dark side of it. So I guess my point: is Lake yeah there are different levels to like you said, and some people like, oh, don't, be silly. That's that's two extreme. Ultimately, they all have the belief in the plan and the plan is pre nasty and

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enjoy a little bit of a soft law. They may have fun with because part of the show is, we have to objectively look at everything right, so Jake where would you say some of the claims from Q and on two big begins you don't fall apart, because What I mean in the very first post was Hillary Clinton, is enemy arrested, legged two days and then she didn't hit. So that was a big one book, but the point I always make tool or people, many get big dark cave- have to exist necessary the point I It will not. People is like secure big on save the kids right and wake you and on his actually right in some ways is there are really Peter far rings. We ve seen it with Epstein in the horrific way that you know that the poor young goes a tree. The victims and it's disgusting tromp was involved, clean evolved, the law very important, powerful people were involved. Is bipartisan right, Soria that

that's very horrific, but then they jumped the shock in one second right, and it's like he goes from. This is serious to like Hillary Clinton the in babies, say: oh, my God, come on, so there are invested in, like save the kids, we hate Peter falls as an elite, Peter firing, Why, then did SIRI use h on which for years openly shared Peter failure. Like openly there were Peter on that board like nor, even oh, did really like China work to share PETE Affiliate together. That was, it is like the most disgusting thing about each other Why on earth would Q go there to dump this information right like they? They can't give you an answer to that oh well. They were forced into these if queues and intelligence. Make your own website right, like surely as a way of doing it he's got q clearance, I'm sure we knows a few. I t guys for Christ, so is like for me just the basic things, like tat alike, come on lake. Why would I do that? Because if you say

fell predictions. They say I was a red herring. anything that doesn't happen was upon the plan. So you can combat but I guess you know I've actually Hudson discussions with a few Q curious people down on my books in Jim and of Explain Leyla used our example. Why would you use a place where a pitiful years accepted to rail against elite pitiful rings? It doesn't make any sense in Cuba, China, Galway, Well, you know, I think, that's awaits it. Gonna break it down. they're like like I said there are like facets of truth. They really you ever. It is done a good job of jumping because everyone, I knows anyway, even like friends to annoy involving journalism wherever they know about Epstein? They ve got kids. sisters, you know the disgusted by, and rightly so, and when they read about and there like, while Bill Clinton was on his plain, how many times or like you know, from said war about Epstein its gross right. So then

if Q comes along and says all, but here's the secret side of it. Firstly, its spicy right leg the lies. Railways, a bit spicy and clearly this all community, they're gonna, feel you in and inform you before you in a way a friend To me, the other day said you know, I have lost a few friends He went on in his like yeah. Like tat happens, let you do you will just lose people to man and its it's like a drug. It's like there on a drug put it there, nor its I don't know man it's it's very worrying that I never thought. I'd like us. Years of reading above Topsecret, unlike List do you guys and noted, with our use of die, never thought this would happen or be honest, like it was always a fringe thing that was fun Now it's like, I stood up but the but now and then a catch myself, blog ashen reel off analogous, is actually serious. You touch on a lot of really important things there Jake and it feels to me inevitable. It feels like this was to happen because as we have better access

the internet just as humanity, as these real truth, like your time over the Epstein pedophiles there uncovered in very high places in government in media, and you realize that it's happening more and more and you feel completely helpless to do anything about it. You know like Repression, walking round knows that there are children being abused right now and you feel like there's nothing. You can do about it, but when key comes along as even a possibility, as even a glimmer of possibility out in the world that day. Something could be done and perhaps I can do something about it by searching this- I think it is. thing very desirable that a lot of us may feel inside does a great poem yeah, yeah, it's like you're right, It's like they can be useful to stop this like yeah, it's Haiti up, but so much of the queue unknown myth or if you like,

does revolve around Elite Peter followings, and it's like yes, TAT is the worst thing I could ever think of like and it's real So then you re, like people wanted. What can I do? What can I do? you know in lieu of setting up some kind of militiamen running around doing whatever they they would big men talk that they often do. They can now do Q right. Like all you know we can. We can be with they say, like with Digital Army like we waste, they don't say serving, but the kind of you not imply that we serving like the queue agenda with news now where they cite as they like. Besides they Ivan yea basely. all of them boil down to like what you just said. It's like we doing something right on it, I want to see a lot of other duties is, is serious paying for families and serious like upheavals of people's lives. You know especially Monet, completely

curly accuse someone of something horrific. You know what it's like, they haven't done anything and just because of some insane tiny coincidence, they decide that person is in on it right and it's lying You know it's no positive thing to say, but I think all of them, their heart is in the right place. You know what I mean and the plane is and is just the brain. Is That's why the side you know it's like again like there's a lot of love. I guess Q researchers And is longer than I am especially in America. I know they kind of the already like the arm. The light. Normally, let's talk to them. Let's see what they say and I respect that. That's how they do it, but for me it is applied. I just feel like obeyed empathy towards it, sir. Inside right leg, it side, like you, I know, like people, at the moment, I don't speak to them anymore, because the Lechner Europa, the cabal, is get on Fourchan

Also, you know it's interesting. I The point we should emphasise is that earlier we said the girl, the first thing she said about Q. Falling apart is that the first prediction was demonstrably incorrect, but you q does something that is very a common to organisations of this type which is passed. The in our validity on to the consumer or the audience member with a foot soldiers of Hugh, so it's kind of life when people think an apocalyptic colts got their into the world prediction right. We just used interpreted, it lay how You see that community handle those actions do they say? While we just misinterpreted what you said, I know them Herring theories popular like did a cue someone was infiltrating. This freely accept double message board

through these red herrings out like how do people deal with that when these actions does in fact come true, well brace yourself who- and I have seen it Hilary was arrested when they said and now the The Hilary we see now is like a body double or a clone or something like TAT said there there's one view like that's just you know immediately jumped the shark a hundred miles an hour that one could find a way to do it and then others it supports the plan? Have fools? You fell for it. What you took that you took that seriously didn't mean it was a man of war. You know what I mean laid waste snake around the almost If like you're the area and is I haven't you, you just fine this guy made a false prediction like a huge prediction, but it's almost like now, you're the idiot. You don't see the message Ryan dies kind of powerful. I guess because surely there's a lot of people having doubt, but then, when

comes when this is done. I doubt we were right, then we were wrong. It's gonna happen. Just that was He Q had to say that way to get us all flared up now bull and without that right lake he had to make. Spock to set the fire needs. It's crazy member. It again. If these points true thing and lay it just doesn't mean you nor an then they also do the thing off I mean the russian we'd coincidences, as they will be like this, so hundreds and hundreds of key posts so every normally one in a thousand. What word? What how many it is? There will be like You know what you will say something and then tromp might say something kind of similar, and then it's like that's an affirmation for them right then it's light, while the false the false prediction is a mile anymore, because the affirmation of stronger so dwell on that like they don't bring up the false thing right. I don't go all well forget about ISIS, it's gone and he's the affirmation of that's good. I'm sure

in the last month, is twice as the president of the most part who country on earth. Now condemned conspiracy, theory that state on Fourchan and thrived on a message board. The allowed Peter failure You know for them a very, very big thing, as it should be for anybody like that. It no matter what political side. You run, I think, any straightforward thinking person should go wild. That's very worrying the he didn't say. Of course this is nonsense right. So if a q and on start was like Christmas, when, like so there's a section era, You thought episode the second episode of your pike, S, where you view explore the notion that Q Anon is like a left wing. Prank want to spoil leaving about it, because there is a whole thing you go into, which I never heard of like this potential, almost like theatrical kind of like performance, our group does this kind of stuff really interesting? Don't even go into their gotta. Listen the episode to find out, but when you really,

our digging into, and just the random absurdity of all of this stuff and then in a bar in Satanism, which anyone that actually is done. Any research into Satanism knows that satanic panics are always hoaxes and there's always some kind of misunderstanding at the heart of it, and true Satanism is really almost more of a punk rock kind of like middle finger established million are actually like drinking goats, blood and light drawing penny grams, unlike abandoned churches or anything like that, but like so when you start digging into it really does make it could be that thing yet it's been mainstreamed so acutely and if it was meant to be this, like left wing prank, to make right, wingers, look stupid, Reed's that way. How is it caught on such a insane way? I get it. I can't read my head arise at the post. True thing is it like boredom is

I don't know. I guess I asked myself this all the time. Like honestly Lake the other day I was reading about like, albeit a simulation, I don't. I have said I believe that tool, but he's just a fascinating concept. I was reading I was thinking Lake Q I could be like all these years I spent on like conspiracy, forums and stuff. Like someone might a programme to just mug me off eggs, you know there's a simulation, and am I like a retreat in my own one starlike, as is that crazy right, you just like surely, surely not, but to us the question I think you know what it's like it boredom it's late, will culturally we're in a very strange place. I feel that we're in between in all idea, two thousand is gone. The twenty ten Is he we really at the peak? Well, I guess we're always peaks of price but you know we really. He asked wide within like senseless, constant scrolling. You know I'm thirty man on

I'm so so glad I didn't grow up with that. You know we had a phone, we check it, Why are you here yet? Yes, no, that was it. You know like that. Wasn't this constant like I'm! For me, technology with perfect when it was PS once a Nokia, thirty three and they went to find me after that. I think, is that that the lack of connected in human face to face Corbett mind. I was a real problem that really polar people into their bedrooms. for me is way. Does waiting there. I don't want anyone is talk, Hu Jia, not with any kind of sensitivity. Anyway, where I see where we're on from like working communities a getting hyper conspiracy? Conspiratorial? and its I've seen it there more than anywhere else right at that It's from we already distrust Ogden, because I mean trust me where I live. Local government doesn't care about as they do not care like.

you know we have like volunteers have to sell food banks is just not enough right. So already you grow up, knowing the police, often bohemian, stop and search me for nothing. The government. Clearly, don't hate me and then you're in I swear thisbite education as well, because you were poor eating gorge when I school you already set up to distrust all authority which unites. I think it's fine can attain myself, but unfortunately, these people in all these people, a smart man, just cause you're from about background, like poor barbarism unit. Smart. But instead of getting the knowledge and processing it. correctly. It just contest Is there an stewed? So it's like, while I've read unwell, read now it's true. in this light norm, and as it is, I don't know what he is not smart enough to know, but as a disconnect way of being well random. Reading a lot of research.

He can't. You say: ok, that's real! You know, because that would be like saying I know about space. They watched the star wars, you know, I'm sayin is lay the processing of the information, for some reason is going in We direction and I've seen a lot of it. Man, an unseen like friends from the way around the way and is being on Leonardo, me and I jake you must have seen this in Miami debates. Nonsense. NL I come on your part. Do you pardon me? I see work than a media. What about oh my god, like so my friends. You know Let me most, my friends is monitored, not go free, but someone- Friends will be like I know it's on my ok, you believe in Facebook posts and h and posts above your friend even on your life. In a matter of a year, that's happened, gene or in its I mean it's happening in all communities, but specifically on see in it. With this thing mind me, no one. Point I wish people talked about more. Is that that the

first conspiracy theory, many people learn about in the west. They learn about when the very young it Santa Claus, a group of powerful people, adults collude, I sit, really right and then, when you learn about you have to be in on it. I sure this the conversations that you just This about happens too as you might imagine, pretty Why were you? I think I think where we're talking about here is you know you can't read of correspondence course on swimming and then just go across the English channel right. That's part of the reason that we have to value primary sources we have to cross checking and we have to value the credit quality, of something like the the disk act perhaps comes from seeking agent, Iraq is what's what do I do? in people find psychologically, conspiracy theories comforting because

alternative would be rampant in competence and chaos. I know on some level, but I can answer this from a personal point of view. You know, like I said I love watching conspiracy, stuff and I think it from because the alternative is very boring. Actually like our. believable Borys. It's like oh yeah. I, like all the politicians, are just terrific scumbags come in to get their money and power and leave it's like. Oh, that's, I mean that's obviously what's happening in my opinion anyway, but it Lake, that's a bit more boring than you. No nine Levin was an inside job. It's a little bit more worrying than all of that. So maybe this is again like even me MA am I what What is it? The new Pearl harbor like some six hours documentary? It's like the new loose change right

about nine eleven, as it already is to be a tree. Let me get into this denial like problems like laugh and allowed some of it, but in some of them and I was like come on. I was wrong with you, but there's that one percent of light, even in me, I told them quite logical guy, like even me, the one percent of like that's interesting for me- corrected right, bigfoot I think they might get my own life soon said. I can't believe you dislike serious war journalists and you too in about most man like what is wrong. We first I'm like bore off leave me alone and secondly, on like earlier. No, I don't know, but that's I find this corrected but like I think why, but my point on trying to get to his curiosity people curiosity, let you just mention like Santa Claus Right, kids, loved man, you know any kids in my family, I told him he has real. You see them my wow, it's on a sleigh in its that's funny man, that's so exhilarating for a kid, and I see a good.

zombie ease. I never thought over that way. In the same way for conspiracy theory, like don't worry, I got the inside knowledge that song and yet somehow manages to not just like wreck your whole world view and you find out- or maybe it does muslim kids such a betrayal. Ultimately, lady. Oh, you asked on purpose that you know, for my Bennett. To give me joy or whatever, but still if your life you bet you ve made this point. If you're lying about this, what else are you lying about? Is everybody lying about everything? Now, that's exactly one We have no there because it is heels to me like just since two thousand, which is when loose change. I think that's when the firstly change came out and in between now and in the last one we started the show. Any honesty is because loose change is one of those things that release burs your mind to think differently, the matrix coming out in ninety nine, the lot of the media and things that make you want to think differently,

then, as now the visuals, like you start looking into in researching something whether its encrypted, whether it's you know Human exe limitations that occurred in Saint Louis in a certain time. You start you start to feel like that, is being pulled out from you completely on what you used to believe the truths neo Santa Claus all the way to how Europe local government works to how the government in your country works to how the planet itself funds and I mean you're literally, I think what the internet combined with our curiosities combined with more and more people digging in further has created situation where we Not only like you said this post truth world, it's, it's not just an individual posting on Facebook, something that is a real and then that spreading it is. Our minds is our hour ability now to know what is true,

because we feel like we ve been we ve been played, so many times throughout our lives right, but in some ways we are late I'm not talking about conspiracy theories here, like in all our work in the media, and I ve got in our look good friends working what people call mainstream media. You know I don't think that's wrong, with mainstream media in terms of individual stories as a whole. It is a mess and trust me. Let me tell you from someone on the inside my you guys hours will be in order me like in the news, the new section of a lake, It's a mess. Man like it's, a very serious mess, Adair thing. Happened where on talking, commissioning it is, and producers and they sound like owner, has to be like this. I'm thinking Jesus Christ, how unbelievably dishonest, if you'd, want to sway it like that? That's not because their Papa Cabal, it's not

Jews, it's not the Freemasons or or whatever whatever like nonsense. People say it's just the way the culture is now becoming a cultural war and people without realizing it sometimes and obscure the story goes its like. We have of this angle. Its manufacture. kind of like a man manufactured thought process where it's like. Well, if they do not like this, and we have to do it like that, it's not really you know. Sometimes it is what it is. You don't have to bring this angle on it. That's why I'm well knows the wise news. There was there was no agenda is I would happen in this and that's it. There was no well. How can we link this to Trump alchemy issue? This is happening in order not to those soon, but I will serve last copy- is up to see media in general. Go very strange. Like anything,

just a right wing. Talking pointed really isn't to say that, like the news is becoming specifically in America, no offense ballet dive, sometimes sometimes or watch fox. Just a laugh and then Put on, like you, know, the equivalent, whatever it is in the end, they just be like kind of this thing just from the different sides along the time getting the right wing is the was dead the biggest cry. Babies. Ironically, you know they're telling everybody snowflake, but the second you deviate from what they want. They can't handle it, but I do think that both really doing it. So, even when you get to die- and you recognize ok, this flaws in the media like it then It's, like you just said. The kind of everyone now is not just conspiracy theories. You know that you're, my grandma was like cuts. Can I just watch you made a very smart guy on one of these kinds of what something without being told. You know what you're implying alleys and feel it by its like. Come on. I've got a new documentary coming soon about

three deeply guns, yeah yeah. Three! guns in Western Europe and a few people. very uncomfortable is Jake. Like you, ve brought you haven't really like, presented in a way that makes in all kind of explains how bout this is. I'm not saying pro or anti doesnt matter noise lay? Why do you care? This is information is what they're doing you should concerned, I'm not making you feel good, I'm Robin Rebellion, telling you what went wrong. That's not the role of journalism, you know even one replied and the twins. I always love Nazis replying to you and also I hate them, but it's not my problem. You know like this is the information it's not for damage not for them. Kind of how it should be processed, and I am not one of these people who believes in complete objectivity because there is right and wrong, you know, but others in time you shouldn't see you news so have you Your kind of TB rots to sleep at night. The world is cruel and

What role does nasty and is never gonna change, and I think you, take solace in being aware of. What's going on Robin and someone telling you why you scared of dialogue and I saw his various if there is now zealously blurs the the the matter. Is one great error that that the U S new, ray, I would say, like the terrestrial radio the broadcast makes is this conviction that a really conviction that Stories can be explained. in three to five minutes, which is sadly just not the truth. You know almost none come to be honest, none the important and that's it when you border there, because that's the kind of the former The internet, I wanna enough, like the internet, when I remember loving, blogs, are used to read blogs. I'd mono blowing a first, I write in there.

go now like deadlines that used to be. I see it like you, used to be wide open and always ring fence to social media like barely any blogs and not really do well now and insight the internet should have been the place where took away right. It took about three minute: explain anything away. but now that we are clear and now we have the social media, is it's almost like back to the three explain a right like a tweet people want to know within two or three tweets was happening. If nor they just like, whatever just make up my mind or or legal whatever some. Fortunately, I feel like that format is now being manufactured within the social media. I believe is an attention span. Thing like tat is Netflix has proved that people will bought something for eight hours time if they're interested. I just Think the interaction in the social aspect of it and the rest, fire. There is, unfortunately, I guess, I'm sorry I didn't let you said that the can, Three minutes explained has been retreated into social media and it's not

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on the Iheart Radioactive app Apple pie or wherever you get your by gas, and we're back for more with Jake Hanrahan one other European. Themes. The ice hereabout, unlike called type situations, is people becoming. strange from their families and rescue and on thing see him What time you can reading about it, but I might have some experience to personally really dear friend of mine, is essentially had to disconnect from her entire family. There is any political differences, but then they start going deep, deep deep in his cue stuff, and it's just that who are you We have nothing in common anymore. How do we talk to each other? How can I you know, give you credit for being

that person, if you are just you, know spouting off all the stuff but yet calls quickly have like a central leader and with Q have as the series of kind of disjointed ideas. That's just do you know, Crept out on the internet, so is q and on a cold and if it is it, maybe like a new kind of called that we haven't seen before like one that's a product of the internet age- or I don't know It seems so called you, but while all the rules will follow some among eyes and making new rules for what I am, I think, come. I think you're right there. Yet it has like it's. It's is it then that you hit now, and I would like it to new right. Something else in maybe in ten years will be a new word for what it is, but right now we kind of seeing the genesis of it right so for a while, I didn't believe, as I just now call man get real and then Sarah High Tower researchers help me a lot with clear she's like when you know that research with me on this

she's always been pushing from kind of day. One like this is called. This is a cold she specializes in researching coats anymore. sports. Furthermore, Louisiana yeah actually kind of its just because it doesn't have a car. Just because you know there's no Jim Jones out there in people's faces Those are really more, like you said, is the new thing right people live online now you know people get their everything they get the dopamine fix line, they showed a whole load of fake image themselves online. To let everybody know that life is good, even if it isn't peoples. upon line. You know you don't you, but when was the last time you went into a shop to try echo or me, unlike size, lodged by you know what I mean it's crazy and though it may since then, the compound is now online write. The compound whatever or the leader is online cures online pops Compound is the websites that he's is on or maybe the compound is the community put themselves in because they kind of of

spilled out into the real world. We ve seen it in others, loads of these Q unknown rallies and there was even a Florida swap. officer who acumen on patch. my pants and twenty eighty eight hour day. You know it is real. Well, there was a guy to beware armoured vehicle for himself and blocked a bridge because of Cuban on yard nine hundred rounds and all these weapons so kind of is a. I think you know it's just like you said is different it decentralized in a way because of the law. They dont have a where they live or whatever they live online like we all live online. Now, it's not specific to them. it's almost like I do it, but that was a secondary thing, we're all living online already and then he is

thing it wasn't like you have to live online to be in the car. We already them on you know, and now it just kind of coalesced inclusion on for them, but I dont think that that's particularly specifically, you know it. Just is what I mean you get weaker members research. In a thing I wanted to make a documentary about. There's these we kind of fun. Girls. school shoes and I wanted to deduct a document you have begun meet the moonlight. Why do you love to see you as my day how to where these girl had a pillow with the Columbine killers faces on them. It's just next right, horrific but fascinate and at the same time, and when you look that is kind of a cold, light thing in a way because its died on the and then they form their own community saw mopping I think that the real look at what is a comb? Isn't it's it's not it's! Not your Grandad's call! You know what I mean: it's not it's not what it is, and you know I don't think that I think that,

the minority. Now you know this week, co chairmen. Are you guys it on stuff like that is smaller. Now these days done online kind of colt dish things and I think it's the way would in a bad way I don't wanna go to regulate. Let's do more. I mean like this. This is how we gonna progressed. I think, on line from now, what's interesting, there is any community can acquire cold like characteristic right. It doesn't have to be really the compound is defined by the calm analogy of experience, and we know that women groups aggregate and they coalesce around a specific set of commonalities. They tend to self well, want to sound like legs. How intelligence

jumbo, but they do tend to radicalize sewer degree right. If you have someone casually join the k pop for him- and I don't mean to pick a k pop here, but they casually join a cape out for him because they like a song from a band and they stick with it, then six months later Oh they'll double down cycle that they will come after you on Twitter, like angry when they're so well, organised, like God forbid, they ever become militant like they wipe everybody, but you're right like the compound is not the building. The Jonestown, whatever legalistic Waco, the compound, wouldn't the house, they didn't, you got all its go, live dogs. We like this house there Did the compound was just a dislike the building right, but why there there in the first place, is you know that's the call right and it's light yet just because that's not in a physical building, it can still exist.

set right or its, I know I think, is recording this were three episodes into the podcast. You clearances incorrect may before you three three through you're. Ok, so we we ve certainly got more to learn. From our end as listeners, I wanted a point. One thing out to you: the EU shows only I her radio network, as is ours. You know Hillary Clinton has a show on the radio network, re or or her body. Double I mean them say Jake. I think, maybe you actually have a chance to get Hilary on. Your show at some point. Well, I'd I'd, probably not because in some the promotional work that my a graphic designer May for me here, I refer very kalinin- would like lizard eyes on it. So I don't think so. I also got a great sense. A here were allowed to pass in the fire.

episode, is well I'm like I'm, not Hilary support. Long term support, like I kind of in the first absurd, wanted to everybody. No decent, isn't this. but I would love to get Hilary oughta be like are you really you, but I don't know if I myself to not go ridiculous and just be like. it probably cancer myself from my heart forever, but I trust myself, but I would love to do. I would actually be like you know we'll be interesting. Like jokes aside to conduct, you must be aware of their rights. I would love Tabula, hey Lake, how look wanna do so with good fizzle drip or something frizzled rip. That's apart the Cuban on matters where man his dog, but they literally believe there's a video of Hillary Clinton. Cutting a kid soften wearing it Hake. How do you feel upheld the hundreds of thousands of people across the world? believed this is real and wondered what interest in part this is.

screen sure that they will say is from this video right? It's literally screenshots some brazilian women, I think they're, like alone drat, like a laundromat or something, but then some key. On people kind of black bits out of it that is based on what we had to cover these, because that was it. It baby but like a red, Hugh Honey, I need kind of sinister but then, when you see who pitchers dislike to women sat L, a p d, you know I mean I must be horrible annoy. You know, she's, always like very light bullet proof in terms of thick skin. You have to be as a politician, but be horrible thing. My Jesus Christ, like people, think I do this. You know I'm gonna be like. Did you do it I wish your bullshit is right, but that no money must be strange. Like anyone, that's in that kind of universe, I mean I would I'm sure they're going to come up with something for me at the end of this I mean

I am actually are some of the mob. Like I want you want, I don't believe in deep lot for me, I'm not really about that, and I, to some of the more rational ones like come onto the put cost and make your case for white real will have. It will have an actual this, and I'm not gonna laugh at you, I'm going to tell you in area. Would you say, like you say what so wide thing, that's outrageous in this it will ever they will have a civil compensation, none of them not one of them is agreed or even reply, and I know this scene it is. I know these people I've already conversed with before none I want to do that. Maybe they think that it's a trap, I dont know young calmly. company cyber. I think I think to important that, in our it is a good point you sat by Hilary like it affects people in different ways. You know, like I mean her kids. must not by they must be online. All the time you know like everybody's kids must be wit, must be with us whose Hilary, if your head is,

Don't worry about the lizard eyes like Lisco, so that our work is negotiable. So one question either we know everybody is asking that you may not be able to answer Jake. Yet AIDS is something we have to bring out of all the theories, the big, egg badger in the room. Here is our any compelling leads on the identity or identities of this, called Q and by compelling per day now. The gamut of things right, like Matt you ever did you ever see, back right. It sounds Firstly, in my right now, but I have seen lot of people online. Questioning whether or not Q actually is Donald Trump, the president is that

ridiculous and why these online alot, I mean you don't wear, although it may be, is unfortunately as well so actually was even more fun is so q unknowns, believe Q plus is Trump so don't you and they Q, plus, which, like the extended team right and they believe pupil, is trump because trump Does this thing reprints people out in the crowd chinese wandering around anymore? Don't like just please someone basically, and they like look he's doing To be honest, I actually does do like a wee thing, but he's just go on like that guided arenas. Anybody does button. I would love if you know like. I know it sounds Barbara. I would love is June on was real, we will all wrong I. It would just be the funniest.

the twenty twenty right data to enable more this much subtext, like Verde surfaces, guy about his politics. I he's gonna. What you see is what you get the impression that that it would just be great, though Roy Line, that we will not be the end all male. I love you, my head over the storm troopers kick off my door and semi to prison, for I believe in a wholly you bring me of speaking logic, adored alarm you but you're your door. That

directly biologists seriously. I was in the same thing here is that you were like not on it. So I mean it now, there's nothing but obviously does nothing but late. It's one of these ones. Where lay I sometimes I do actually try and put my head into the mind of the queue unknown person Andy. I look back to when I was like thirteen, and I was like nine eleven. It is our job and like I love to download, I was like the can. heresy. Guy before anyone was tried, tell my friends and I like what watch object like go lately, you crazy, I mean up. Would you like a year that, before I kind of started, reading real books and was like what but you know it I put myself into lemme younger self and think, like our will- and I can't I can see the. coincidences, which so unbelievably small, but whenever company they need anything to make this real, so if you just give them a crumb, it's like that.

A bad, that's a whole cake for them. You know, so there are very few. And far between unilateral, almost like a typo terms, did and they were like ha draw. One to whatever You can also use the semi colon there. We know it's him. You knows there is the very best Why do I go about sword? Suffer but no there's no twice your question. I dont think its trump, nor ok well, well, will look forward to what will only be able to describe as classic twenty twenty if it does end up being the current president. At this point, we Do you want to see, as you pointed out, that this oh, is ongoing. Q clearance is ongoing. There are things that jake you.

not revealed to us yet right as as we're media rest here, but for every one who is waiting to hear the conclusion of of this podcast, we don't want to. Let the opportunity pass without asking just a couple. More questions about grew fronts this is this- is independent. This is something I now it's, its across multiple platforms is started. Twenty eighteen as originally podcast, and you interview some fascinating people. Also recently at lake he talked about Ivan the troll regarding three printed firearms. You talked about something we explore, often the world of drone warfare. I think that's when the motivation episodes with this mind what kind

so depressing. But what what trends do you see for a conflict in the future? What do you wish more audiences may be in the bubble of the west under stood about what's happening out there, yet it is where it's not depressing its eddies depressing, but I think it's less depressing to be aware of riots bear to be like less be aware of Robin and bury our heads, or I think the trends, unfortunately, going for what I see fascism make, unlike quite alone leap and I don't mean thing, I dont, like his vices, a mummy like real actual, like fascism within governments. Fascism within like militant groups in getting powerful like that fascist militant groups and, as a rule worry man like in Europe as well. We see in a law that I think whole, like an old populism. Putting all the right word, but I use that the whole, like rightly Populism is kind of. I think that here to stay for at least the next phase

these Bob's until can arise in Europe? so- that's us, but then in terms of laid the wars and conflicts going on it's just like it it's at the brink. Now, where I think a law gonna start happening. I dont want to tie it to tromp or anything like that, but I do think there's been a shift, the law of authoritarian governments can kind of be like we can get away with more now now. I know I that, like oh yeah, let's have more american intervention. Certainly no I mean that's why Iraq is the way is right in many other places boat, but there is a of like people There's always gonna, be someone bully the rest of the world right and adjusting Did the police are changing? Now? I think you know China, which you know, an absolute fact that they're like like a take no dictatorship can only look at the weekend is being point, concentration comes terrific, just for being a Muslim in

the kind of indifference from the world to died is was a real eye opener for me as I, while what what happened to never again, you know what I mean. It is like evidence is proof, and it's just like everyone is just like they just happen. But then it's I would you want to do what we gonna do invade China like nor, like I don't know what the answer is. Man but I do see looking bad. You know. I think this thing with Armenia and Azerbaijan is is really. A problem- and I think it's one of these wars were in opinion. It shows the organ. as agents like the? U, when a NATO and the EU than not moral organizations they might like, they are but they don't have a moral, so they just anew. isolation. You know, and I think when you see conflicts, It shows that now It's not a sewer, theorists, spicy! Syria! When you look, he's like Armenia and Azerbaijan is horrific.

We're going on there, and this has already been war crimes, beheadings maternity hospitals, today in Armenia like the word, is kind of like aloof twin, the. U N is kind of like with deeply concerned again. You know. These things they can do, you know like one of their NATO. Turkey's is supplying I'm cases jihadist militants to Azerbaijan to fight for, for otherwise and is that when they are just goes like you not like what working You then one of the most powerful organizations, whereas that its ago, so I mean I know it sound a bit nihilistic in it, but I think what is actually out in these, like recalibration of where, powers are and where people's perceptions of what those powers do. You know, like it, genocide can happen now and the idea the west is gonna. Steppin is gonna laughable. I think you know, not gonna happen and- and I'm not saying this

sound colors. I don't I'm not saying the wish should step in because I'm not like intervention, but something that just right or wrong? You know like if you have the power to stop people being point to concentration camps, something should be done. You normally light. If NATO forces are coming war crimes on camera, the least NATO can do is say we ve seen. And it's bad. I mean there are instances. Trust me moment. I was in South EAST Turkey, where their war crimes happen in NATO second just Army was committing them, some cases, filming them on recording them themselves and putting them out there go look what we did No one said anything loan, it's kind of like we're, go from there. I dont know honestly man. I guess my answers. I don't have the full answer in itself, dream on, it sounds miserable, but one thing I would say this good is always remember the people living there on a mostly not bad. People like that are the resilience you see specifically in the Middle EAST, like I've. Seen on the war conditions on my. How are you live like that's? How you have an olive? How

functioning saw well. So I think the one thing we can take from is like people will just keep living. I mean even when again killed, they will keep it being and that's the only kind of soldiers I take from it is like the people won't be crushed, no matter what I think you know what I mean and by the people, I dont mean any political. Whatever I just mean you know just people, you average people to grow up in this. They won't be crushed fully ever So that's the only good thing. I don't know what to tell you. My leg is pretty grim. Ermine, unfortunately, like there's a lot of work for me to look through and things to do with popular from, because you know we you cover all of these base is if there is a clash. If there's a conflict, heartening we will look into it and honestly, in the last year I've just been like Christ, I don't even know to talk about knowledge is to look a little more woollen is adding up every day. So yet it's it's grim, its grip. Well,

I would say, as any anytime you want. come on this show and talk about any one specific place or specific. They we would be more than happy to have. You in Do some research with the on somethin. I love that man like definite appreciate that, like I would definitely grew up that there's this they, so you know. What's interesting, you you guys to maybe look like conspiracies in the Middle EAST. I have so many friends and allies as my work. Everyone loves a conspiracy even down to like there's a conspiracy, with the cafe known Emilius leg, is as Eastern Asia and the Israelis ascended Numa homeless, or whatever it doesn't work that way good financially, we did He said we did a piece on the genre of animals as spies issues, a wildly popular genre of its own in the Middle EAST. I add that when will it be businesslike, the shocks and stuff with lasers stuff was, were I lay exactly Then you know what can you? What can you say today?

because the intelligence agencies in the past did have that bright idea, where someone like me of what can we put in a can share these light that I raised in all. It is a great book. German currency did the men who stared goods I try to explain to people. That's not lake whole huge conspiracy, it's one guy with a dumb idea. You didn't have a of oversight and someone you had let let jack do that have a game out my hand before you know, he's got like a spying looking through rules. Killing goes thing going on. I often to delete later is conspiracies the over their real often is like wasn't the insidious. It was just some idea who like bypass these middle, manage somehow who may not like a budget there. The most thornwoods saw adenoids there's a lot of my like? Not all conspiracies areas like dark as to an amber I'd, better ones. I enjoyed it. Looked ass, one of crickets or

movements. Never gonna hurt me them. Well, I don't know that, as you have now less Virginia leg, as it looks like a humane, actually figure, you get crazy, sculpted Arabs and, like the little grey say since nuts I'll say it my man statue is thick with two seas: a measly rosy, cheeks or clapping you'd failure, so where we could do objectified marked man, yes, shot out shadow decrypting jig? Thank you so much for being so generous with your time today, as we said like popular front, if you're ever interested in the jail, political topics are covered on this show in in the past, then, do please check out popular front its long running show. I can't enough good about it personally and its work, your time. Checking out, especially

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