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J on the eye, her review apple, podcast or wherever you gave your pocket psychic powers and government conspiracies history is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn stuck. They don't want you to know, hello, welcome back to the show. My name is not on. My name is no, they call me, then you are you in that makes this stuff. They don't want to know. Now we are looking at a D. Being situation, and in the past guys we ve been hesitant to cover things like as their unfolding, because behind the curtain. Here, of course, in a super producer, Paul deck and will agree with us a hopefully I'm sure

licking his body language. Oh he's he's wishes, hedging he's hedging he's edgy is bad. I respect that. We, we feel just terrible. If we report on theme is occurring in the news right and by the time our episode comes out the situation is completely changed today. I guess boiler you guys. This is not live We did this like a week ago. The good thing about this specific topic is that the occurrence happened in nineteen. Sixty three said Maximilian, fifty plus years of history, that we can cover and then bring in some of this new stuff that act. Occurred around nineteen sixty two As you know, we don't want to be old beans. That's a nice and say that now think so you're the leg is working. I think he's gonna learn beans yeah, it's Adena! Well, right it let us now! I are they mouldy or just stale later

like I'm using it as, like. I just add a term a figure of speech you guys are sceptical about. Badgers, but that's got a really do if it's ok, what are we talking about today? Can we get to the thing for crying out loud? Yes, let's, let's start with the facts of brass tacks, president John F Kennedy was assassinated on November 22nd, one thousand nine hundred and sixty three about one thousand, two hundred and thirty in the afternoon in Dallas Texas, while they were riding in a presidential motorcade, in the probably the big understatement of our entire show all hell broke loose yeah, it's true and then you fast forward several decades and woodland there's a survey by a site called five. Thirty eight dot com found that only thirty three percent of the people responding actually believe the findings of the official Warren Commission. That's the one, concluded in nineteen sixty four, alone. Gunman

Lee Harvey Oswald was responsible for the death of President Kennedy and today sixty one percent of the: U S: public, believe that at least one other person was em off. Yes, not just a single gunman, see you guys know I'm kind of a Kennedy not ask any catch me up on the Warren Commission Shore. The Warren Commission, we talked this before on the show? Officially is known as the President's commission on the assassination of President Kennedy, which I don't know one too many presidents, and thereby that's fine. Didn't name. Can we make it into an acronym for me that helps me digested a little better than others p p c, o t o p Kay before. I anyway was formed by the president that immediately followed by the press. To death, Lyndon Johnson, Correct who, by the way, was a real pill, apparently

the pill. A lot of accusations have been made about him and his involvement with the assassination JFK over the years we have not found leave them to be completely true, but there are some juicy details in there, but has a voice pleasant, sounding name when you say the initials l b J, it's very mellifluous. It is The way you know there was a thing, listeners, friends and neighbours that Lyndon Johnson was called the Johnson treatment. He'll get in people's faces, a grab them by their lapels foreheads inches away. He followed one guy into a bathroom get busted into the stall eggs. I wouldn't fly today yell while he was doing his business or he's a large gentleman is well very tall and imposing bit of a bull in a China shop. Can a scenario absolute or they'll. Be J? Do ok, so he formed the present commission on the assassination of President Kennedy. On November, twenty ninth nineteen sixty three just a few days after President Kennedy was shot, and it was all,

The whole reason to have this was to investigate what happened on that day right, because people wanted answers and the commission acted as quickly as they could This day, you can read their full report well near their quota put forward really the only information it was given to the Warren Commission quickly in government time isn't like days right in this dispute report likely took many months too. Yes, it does not quickly in people time quickly and government. I'm so they were racing to determine whether there was any truth any sand to the multitudinous rumours surrounding this assassination and the committee. Eventually concluded Lee Harvey? Oswald acted alone. Own power in EU assistance from any criminal organization, intelligence agencies, any shady dude or foreign government or foreign government as very important, and that Jack

Ruby, the man who would later assassinate Oswald had no previous relationship with that guy, either so Jack, Ruby, apparently the Astor, yet the store, was that the loan gunman was killed by alone gunman and nothing is related, to see here folks, I only conspiracies even reading about or anyone's been saying in papers. That he's weird rumours. No that's true. Please continue with irregularly schedule. Programming and win win win three of us started. This show one of the things that we wanted to do was to explore the stuff on the fringes threat. And we, stay away from the if case assassination, because there is already been so the work done on it right areas. There is comes into makes a movie and then a whole bunch of other conspiracy theories, sack into the laughter and nothing you

I think we would have found would have been new news. It would have been old Danes away now given up on it and how I I'm it's gonna work. I respect you can only told you know. See nobody gets all beans yet, but that just because this episode hasn't come out, I'm than I'm telling you guys in there now get in on the ground floor of these various catchphrase. So, The commission. The commission has a quote where they they sum up. This relationship quote the commission made intensive inquiry into the backgrounds and relationships of Oswald in Ruby to determine whether they knew each other or were involved in a plot of any kind with each other or others. It was unable to find any credible evidence to support the rumours linking Oswald and Ruby directly or through others. The commission

clearly that they were not involved in a conspiratorial relationship with each other or with any third party, in quote in there's some very important information that will get to towards the close of this show to discuss specifically what have been held to the chess to somebody, intelligence agencies not give The Warren Commission specifically Roy so they're doing young people in the Warren Commission doing their best I hate to steal line from beauty in the beast, but the typical conspiracy, stuff you'll, grow you're going here, but the JFK assassination might as well be tales oldest time. At this point, however, very recently, There were documents files, a plethora. I am using that word correctly of

files pertaining to the assassination that were classify for decades and again, like in the past. Couple weeks, as we record this, as no pointed out earlier, a bit of a time travel experience. Whenever you listening to a pike ass, we're in November when we're recordings its November, its November were years only just year of our Lord two thousand and seventeen a woman, the whole time failure long. If we are then, as recently several of these documents, pleasure of these documents were really These were declassified and for you, people who do not believe the official story or the findings of the Warren Commission have been I've been convinced that their will some sort of great revelation, let that comes forthright in the guy. I have to put myself in that camp yeah, honestly,

We ve talked about these records being released by the past, at least to prison, Sweden, when, when there's a date that comes up, that's essentially hey if the press Decides here You can release these documents in every time. That is happened up until this year they have said no and we're not gonna released the documents. Yet then somebody always comes up. Yes, so there is this thing. This act that Congress past the J F K assassination records Collection ACT, which in eighteen. Ninety two Bush senior. Yes, George Bush George H, W Bush, that is George W Bush is father. The voice, the voice heard another voice affairs about oil. Over twenty six nineteen, only to my daddy pass this act here. Send it ass. It were the final release, Dacres it's fifty fifty years after October. Twenty second, too

and seemed to think so. That allows a date that the current it used to release these Mr President, Mr President of question, from the front I tremble and stuff they would you knew what does this action consist of and will call you all beans Less was Joe MEG into a real world. Maths like it to her. I just need to go through some of this sure what is but what's in this collection? Ok, so this collection, it's basically all of the intelligence agencies in federal government organizations and agencies. In U S, they got all the documents relating to this aspiration JFK they collected more. They sent him over to the national archives. So in this election is approximately five million pages of records. I printed pages yeah worth we're, talking, Indiana Jones style, vaults, just target, we up to our stories or whatever

Percent of these records are open in full, so that's amount of five million records. No one accidently used a black highlight or well according no vision things, a black highlight its new article, where's like FBI, and see, I realised that they ve been using Black highlighted a nasal xyz, what a civil, no black eye, letters and eighty percent in eleven percent of them their released in part with the black highlight hers going through, which would be stuff like Paul. Her name's. Yes, viruses. Maybe you know it's usually proper names and proper places, specific places there would be illegal or dangerous or numbers. That's where you see stuff like blank net with Blake upright currently twelve forty p m at blank. Yes, on this blank exam they blanked, oh no, about about so then one percent there's a remaining one percent of this five million pages. That is

five as assassin related, and they remain completely sealed. Poor least up. This year and there was a governing board that that made the call here so it whenever we deal with government related doc. Intuition reviling! We run into all these dry names. Yes, so here's another! When the assassination record's review board the a are being over exploited de I they are the ones who said you have too. We have to reject he's diet, these eleven percent Tight Madrid and in this one percent nobody can see ever you think they get to do the manual rejecting it has to be

be some internet has to be somewhere a pretty high level. Uruguay. There is, you have to have at that level. Compartmentalize crappy kind of sluggish job can, you imagine, is having to go through thousands of pages and dislike ex stuff. But assures hurry process oriented- and I bet it's viewed as highly important I can imagine, I think I think you're right, I'm a meadow mean diminishes merely in terms of process. Yeah sure, I'm in that agency the it was attempt agency adjust. It was there for a time and then it went away after a fulfilled its job. He talking about Arbe, yet arbe only last from ninety four one thousand. Ninety four to ninety. Ninety, eight interesting: according to the act itself, the Congress past All the records that would there were previously withheld, though percent the eleven percent, all those records, should be released on October. Twenty six, twenty seventeen unless further

rise by the President of the United States, which, with holding yes for withholding. So unless the president decided or was told, to decide to not release these documents celebration, right, which happened again previously: other little what he called the road the market, the other markers where it could have been released, or at least in shirt. Yet, and this as as he said that was signed by President George H, W Bush, who was just in the studio with us a moment ago on we're twenty six nineteen. Ninety two In July of twenty seventeen, the national archives released almost thousand records right that included stuff from the FBI and the CIA, and

Some were some dim withheld in full in the past, and some were released rejected at attire. Ladies and gentlemen, friends, neighbours, the three of us spend a lot of time. Reading these, terrible scans from like the vault as the vault, where you can. You can see someone is made some scribbled notes in the margins and gone over. I got over it a black out different parts of things and there there tough to read it's it's! It's a paint, in this context I mean: do you mean they are so much rejected that had literally strips of large the any meaning. You now is very frustrated yet not dimension, you're, doing with intelligence agencies that are making these producing these documents other times. There are krypton Cryptogram, sir. There are

anagrams like they're they're, weird, there's, weird stuff that goes on in some of these documents, not to mention their already pretty dry yeah yeah yeah. So this the banality of evil aside, which is what I'm going to categorize lot of this reduction stuff ass of the banal. Leaving aside the inaction of good people aside, there is still a struggle to release this information. Yes, whatever it might contain ram and a lot of full wondered whether there would be some smoking gotten whether there would be some sort of memo from Europe. Nineteen sixty two, where one one intelligence operative says to another: hey just got off the phone with so and so, and they said that it's going down in Dallas, you know that is not the case. There's some stuff, that's kind of

to that. But it's not it's not! That specific that wasn't the only release that Acta July release was actually jumping the gun a bit on nine October. Twenty six twenty seventeen date because actual date, the national Org, is released. Another almost three thousand documents, which is This included a bunch of other stuff that they also released. That was pertaining that assassination Records Review board. A lot of Emil's. Well, there emails Nineteen. Eighty four to ninety ninety eight. So I wonder what that even looks like mother, like four forward, for he had no, but they were fifty two thousand plus emails and almost seventeen thousand files from the from that review bore the naturally decided what was going to be protected and not, and then on November just a few days ago. There was another released from the national archives of six hundred and seventy six records and this

central intelligence stuff. They were previously I entirely the CIA on the other, the CIA stuff, and We also have the parent of Justice Divine of defence, how select committee on assassinations and even stuff from the national archives like a single document, so What does this all mean? You can also. I think that was excellent review of the chronology of this. You can and by the way, take it take I'm from mad and view. Files yourself. You can read along A real were hung if you are, if you are willing to again put up with some poor quality reproduction yeah, some scrawled nudes margins and a lot of of missing piece, is right in a grueling journey. If you want to go on it, but I really do think it's worth seeing their history and the big questions to what end does this matter? Was there anything worth red?

in there? We will tell you, after a quick word from our sponsors, assuming we don't get assassinated during the brake, though, where

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we're back, and I think we'll just jump right in with a couple of selected articles. A lot of these come from various new sources, because we ve gotta had through and research via the news with all of the official researchers who are going through all this stuff. Yeah there there's gentlemen being interviewed on CBS Ouch watching just before you won in the studio, and he said he has this massive team of reach. Rogers and interns in all these people going through the documents and he says they ve been working. Since that July, release and they ve gone through about eight percent of the newly released Why didn't we seek our team of interns and researchers? On I mean we Yes, we could have happened, sick ourselves on which you know with that's fine. We went to all the top top? new sources that you're familiar with. Daily mail young vote, national enquire dogs been killing lately by the way. I know I'm not getting. I'm not getting my seriously good journalism coming out of teamwork,

we did. We did look round and I voted against all these european and that Ask anybody she's, ok, see and you're, probably wondering because we are moving a little quickly on this stuff here, you're, probably thinking Matt, no Ben, you you guys, obviously gesture with someone off MIKE about teen vow to Co. Sign you got the co sign. Who is This mystery person- I it is coworker Kathleen Quillan, who is sitting in which you were producer, Paul, helping to engineer this session yes and play a big part the stuff media family. Very sooner. I guess he hasn t. Well, spoiling. Welcome. Welcome so point. The boy, remains that when you are looking at this sort of stuff is paramount investigate. Every single new source. You can fight. Yes, you should, regardless of whatever your starting point may be ideal. Cheaply.

Experience Lee etc new to yourself to check as many things, especially things that come from places. They might disagree with you. Gotta get the lay of the land. Exotic gonna, be your own aggregator too, and if they, because this is the kind of stuff where there are going to be it's going to be mired in various opinions on yet I did the other city gonna get the full picture, it's best to kind of like have a brother spectrum of material, which is what we try to do. What Matt largely tried to do. This is his baby right yeah, that's a bloodhound online actually found disconnect letter. We know I found a sea in an article that was the in my opinion, the best Can a middle ground for all the sources. I had been finding everything from the intercepts to the guardian, in name just ever, in between the Fox NEWS this in an article hit the mean, I guess the main documents that I found to be pertinent doesn't make sense. It does give it to us, So the first document involves ain't, a teller

call there was intercepted on September. Twenty eight nineteen sixty three alleged, we from Lee Harvey Oswald to it Gb Agent in Mexico City. This is a good one. Oh yeah, this memo from the day of Kennedys assassination, it talks This call those intercepted to the russian embassy. In Mexico. He spoke to the council I'm not gonna. Try but no sooner Valerie that we're all each coastal Yes, this was in identified KGB officer and the children was speaking in a broken russian Can I get a little rejecting? Yes, there is. There is one oddly. Has they use funny. I think it is when you there's one odd side note in this this conversation Oswald insisted that the conversation beheld in Russia, yes,

and his russian was cartoon, sleep there. It's like it's it's lakes, like on the level of saying bonus, chose. Instead of one s, notice, Ganges, expand and to the point where the KGB. Folks difficulty understanding, I'm here and probably going Do you mind you is getting and his enemies like me at what Perhaps they knew there was some awesome. Dropping going on now is one of the reasons, but again you're speaking to a council the russian Embassy in Mexico and you're gonna speak Russian So I don't know. Maybe it's just yes to hide amongst all the other conversations that day and the the person wrote a memo said that relieved. Belief on the FBI's part, the Oswald was trying to get out re who is trying to get to the USSR? Yes,

organ of nor somewhere else. Who knows exactly want to get a visa right for some reason, possibly even to get into Cuba, and this whole trip there Lee Harvey Oswald took to Mexico City, very close to win the assassination occurred is one those things that just has a ton of conspiracy theory surrounding it. Rightly so. That's completely understandable, especially because the? U S government spent quite a lot of blood, sweat and tears. Time try, convince people. Otherwise, now all of a sudden stories changed, we know where we didn't know. He was a Mexico city We did it, we did and why are we did didn't we earn, especially when you bring a new account, the tumultuous relationship? They do? U S head with Cuba right especially ride around their time. In specifically involving President Kennedy, Sue next. I would really appreciate that you mentioned Cuba here exactly there's a cat,

from the FBI in nineteen sixty seven and just a cable. So it's like something that we really can. You explain, cables really fast. We talk about these before telegram. It's just. I almost just a quick communication kind of thing. Coming from an operative or from a diplomat something at its. Allow tangible you're here, cables used with diplomatic right, a cable will depending on the context. A cable can function as a street point, eight point, anything that is not gonna, be vulnerable in a vulnerable to the same sort of surveillance techniques they could be used in a traditional letter or something having over an open lying. There is very much like a telegram, but the thing is with a telegram. For instance, Johnny, Johnny View Public could, with rail Justinian and then who here whatever's happening right,

I saw. A cable is supposed to be a little bit. I not lake proof but more more study. I leave resistant more secure and why you hear the folks at Wiki leaks Julian Assange. Is useful locked up. I think he is, How do you do in the treadmill at the embassy? I'll get well Wiki leaks lives on cables, ready, reporting cables, and I bring that up to point out again that tables are in theory, more secure in? Surely I would think that the cable, the term cable probably doesn't mean. The same thing is today as it did then, and actually had just confirmed, looks like it just referred. To a confidential text. Said some I'm wondering if maybe today it might just be some kind of encrypted person to person,

We can see on the document itself in big ball did type it says, sent by coded, a type there you go get somewhere oh so this was talking about out a cuban gentleman who is being interrogated. It there's a lot to go through with this, and argument for this tiny little thing. But anyway, this gentleman, who is being interrogated, was asked about whether or not Oswald was shot. Lay hazy, you know, is a good with rifles you get sniper and on the job replied? Oh, he was quite good. And then, when you know he was further ass like what You say that in this gentleman said well, I knew him the ask even officer so Well, that's that's another interesting thing, because

you will find a lot of experts and people spend their entire careers researching just this one day and doubts and they asked exceed three. They believe that Oswald was actually terrible shot and a lot of is the evidence indicates that he was he was the the world's best sniper and you'll find opposing evidence or opposing people with the opposing view that he was actually and an amazing, cracker xo. Maybe one of those theories implies that he was some kind of stooge or Patsy Happy, a fog ire whatever or was in communication with Cuba, the Soviet Union via Cuba. It goes amazing is like it's crazy, echoes So remember always at the top, the official we're in commission conclusion was that Jack Ruby lacked it acted alone. Right and just What he saw is his patriotic duty.

Killing the guy killed. The president yeah, you know instinct harm is gonna, get you etc. Someone turns out, as this was revealed in these class, my files, someone called the FBI, threatening to kill Lee Harvey Oswald a day before his murder, while so a document. From November twenty. Fourth of sixty three indicated that J Edgar Hoover actually addressed Oswald's death, specifically referencing, that it was at the hands of Jack Ruby and the quote goes as follows: quote there is nothing further only Oswald case, except that he is dead. Well ouch. Who were then indicated that agents in the FBI's Dallas Field Office received a call from gentlemen. I speaking a calm tone who claim to be a member of a committee that was responsible for Oswald's assassination or their a committee that wanted to kill Oswald

I am a member of a committee have concerned patriots, and we want you to know that as patriots we are planning to kill the assassin of John F Kennedy Thank you for your time. All right then gonna love that call. So this the situation develops further, raising our getting into, of course, regains J Edgar Hoover creep, rising creep, creepy dude. Are you serious it I'd I'd get. What do you think because he killed Martin Luther King Jr, pretty obviously word in of never do that resolute about someone like them. Well, ok, sight, he didn't pull the trigger but he ran you. He ran active, an illegal campaigns against against people that he saw as a threat.

This version of the status quo. I know he ate any like have files on like John Lennon, even in like he was basically responsible for tailing anyone. He saw a story about going, tell Pro yeah racist Ultra Nationalist power, mad I'm telling you of how to use the term create by Fatima hurt him. You know so anyway, the FBI. At this point I contacted the Dallas police just to reiterate to them. Hey some just called us and was really really creepy on talk about. They want to kill, Oswald, just use over and protect him like, really protect employees. Ok yeah and they said you will will totally do that and they did not yeah I quote Ruby says no one was associated with him and denies having made the telephone call to our Dallas office last night. That's something over and Hoover went on to say that the FBI had evidence of Oswald guilt and intercepted communication had with

Cuba and the Soviet Union, Hellboy Hoover, went on to say he was concerned that there would be doubt in the public sphere about Oswald skills and the President Johnson, with Point Commission to investigate the assassination, but she did which, actually did happen yet. However yeah. However, I think that this point is important for us to note. Some We ve mentioned on the show before now, as it's a fascinating thing about the evolution of the the phrase the thought terminating cliche conspiracy theory. So in wake of the assassination? U S. Intelligence agencies sent confidential memo was aired too, various media institutions have no liking. Times Chicago papers, San Francisco, etc, and they said, look here's the story

Official story if anyone says something different: make sure to make sure dismiss it and make sure to call it quote ache. Spear receive theory. It would the originating place of this right and that's how it entered the mainstream lexicon of the United States. Have to be very careful You know I like that. We live in a world where there is an information light, and it's very, very easy for some. To go. Make a website that purports to be sort of legitimate source. Then, just right, ok- cockamamie stuff right, but you gotta be very for when you hear every three body

and I mean everybody in the west, calling something a crazy conspiracy, ordinary person, a conspiracy, theorists writers, shutting the stuff down, because you know our. I think I have two different just briefly just briefly, just briefly here. We ve got away to more hours in the studio right. We're ok, sorry diverges just briefly. It is it, is a lack of critical thinking to say that anything The conspiracy theory is automatically is, is likely bulletproof directors were family, so You know saying that say, for instance the the we'll family of the United Kingdom is descended from some The group raised have reptilian alien, half human hybrids is That would be called a conspiracy theory. Rain fell. So

out to David Ike. Ok, but then people are also calling a conspiracy theory to see that international banks are laundry money for drug cartels like a whole use of like fake news right now. You know what I mean. All stories and theories are not created equal and especially The term is applied, is like a term of abuse or like a diminutive. That's when things start sketchy sounds like a conspiracy theory verses. A fringe Nor am I gonna know when you tony apply that term. It seems to two large large and the population discount the idea, you know yeah, absolutely them ass, a mistake in the EU really pretty bringing up the fake news concept, which is absolutely right psychologically we our species are built to seek classification right to seek hierarchy, to seek order. Which means that its very very convenient to wrap everything,

up in a symbolic phrase, and for that reason, as a short cut to critical think It's like I like jazz battle like fusion Obviously that is so now we are already in the thick of it were finding out from these released files that at least several things least in a few cases, the things that the warrant and then the? U S at large were saying turned out not to be true jive. They wait, there's no fusion, his gestures. So let's insert right here if you haven't already listen to our episode on or maybe watched or video, and where we have an episode on it on the central intelligence agencies and the U S government's plans and tactics to assassinate Fidel Castro of Cuba, because you needed you needed. That information right now we did do video and paused. There was a video, then come back a little. Maybe if you're driving just hang out

issuing an outbreak to give them time to do it. We can hear what he said. What better time than the present it's an eighteen. Ninety four Michael Jordan is the most famous person in the world is reached the pinnacle of his career as one of the best basketball players ever to play the game. And what does he do? He leaves about to try his handedly spot something funny happened. Joined young baseball career gets cut short when major league baseball goes on one of the longest strikes in its history. Michael Jordan goes back to basketball, the story, up here, but, as we all know, it doesn't, Jordan goes under win another three championships and kick start what economists call the Jordan effect. Billions in revenue than reintroducing a struggling in beer I'm Sean Brass well and I want check out. The newest podcast presented by Ozzy Flashback find out how some of the best laid plans can go horribly wrong or proof. Unexpectedly magnificent,

on May Sixth, wasn't a fly. Back on the Iheart radio Ep Apple I guess where you get your podcast and we returned What are you gonna do a couple more specific files. Yet we have you going there so much stuff here I don't know I candidly do not know if we're going to get to all of it, so we Dublin we do want your help after you. Listen to this episode votes. If there's something that you feel your phone. Listeners need to know about this release. Please write to us and let us now, and will we put it on the air as well, So the CIA did consider pleasing mafia hits on Castro yet Mafia so they may now you ve, listened or watch that video. You know that there were some crazy theories or some crazy plans wrought up by the government and the United States to kill

oh Castro, exploding, cigars, weird umbrellas stuff in wet, suits the poison, a cigar, yeah yeah yeah, from like the novelty story. Well, but my butt marrow rivalry, I hacha really crazy, so that doesn't seem true in the National Spy Museum, and you can see some of that started in a couple of the place where we can find it. But this specifically was a of the Rockefeller Commission document for nineteen. Seventy five his detailing the role in all kinds of sazen nations and specifically plans to assess Castro, The early days of the Kennedy administration in the report, then attorney General Robert Kennedy, the brother of President J F K, offers assassinated. Yes a whole other story, a whole series of episodes, but will get into that some other time here. The FBI that he learned the CIA hired some intermediary another person, a third party to come through an approach, SAM Gin Conner

John Corner. Does that sound familiar from the Terminator movies NET Ancona? This is a prominent mafia person and known mafia person at the time with proposition. They broaches guy, saying, hey, we're gonna pay a hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Yet somebody with either within your organization or somebody else to kill Castro in Cuba? Like that's crazy, the it was gonna higher mafia hitman. Probably like you know it gives them plausible deniability rain if it's not like. If someone is we did not not connected to the government. Oh yeah sure this case it would probably be layer upon layer upon layer if you're talking about and hiring a mafia- to hire some other guys, and I know the honouring fifty grand doesn't sound like a really big about money? drag right I'll be right. Today is today: where did the? Inflation calculation were guys. It's it's about one point, two million dollars.

Why I do it for that Well, here's the here's. The problem dulcet delivers his predict. That here is the issue. The attorney General Robert Kennedy had been trying to prosecute this gentleman you know, he's a sicilian monster. They ve got files on him, they ve been Tralee and they ve been tracking of listening to him. They ve trying to get him on something big and if the government is gonna pay him. Much money to go to an assassination it makes. The states case or the meaning of the government's case a little bit harder to prosecute

Quote Attorney General Kennedy stated: the CIA should never undertake the use of mafia people again without first checking with the Department of Justice. I've got a check list check in because it would be difficult to prosecute such people in the future within that. So weird, though they didn't say, never do they know they just a guys just checking and ask you to for ask it at first as Robert Kennedy I rather report also said that the CIA was later interested in using mobs is to do were poisoned. Periodic Ashraf I ordered again. Thank you. Are you gay euro, though, is those fantastic, an affiliate there's a little bit of President Obama influence in there lies cadence. I were, I think, now is just only needed garage, emotion, my friend wow, am I a reverse nadir in chief? Yes, I saw

pretend to be a precedent and look at all the CIA for us and get the sordid up, ok, Ok, we're war done here. Everybody emigrate. We know I'd continuing, though on this, this one thing is huge the important about this point specific Is that this sort of contradictory? this contradictory set of pursuits by various government agencies. This situation, with the left hand, does not know what the right hand is doing, lends a lotta credence and gives a lot of sand to the claims that intelligence agencies in the U S and another country's function. As their own independent governments yeah. Absolutely. And then you imagine that these independent governments in there functioning some I'm doing the same work, or at least overlapping, sometimes just doing vastly different stuff, but. Is there anyone in charge that, when you think of

the government, the weave elected there for the people by the people and democracy that we have in this country. Like these operating here. If you will, in this octopus here is the head. I dont think its elected officials, in the point that if you cut off one had a gross somewhere out there, so many heads you don't know which ones the real head only what is happening? I am seriously I'm waiting at some point You know, I know not. Everybody loves marvel movies, but at some point I'm hoping that a stranger like shakes my hand in whispers alike. We should just are doing that with people. I can't do it. No nautical overrule well. At parties like you can give yourself a nickname. You came out of line who goes up to people and says: hey I got you will like started, saw the conversation reallocated. You hear Taylor, swift, new stuff man. I was german on all day.

As you know, the drill do much less others great when he knows where it was squid word for my Spongebob unavailing split screen where it's like his eyes closed, and it says you When you were asleep and realize Taylor, Swift, New Alan comes out a midnight, and then I was the same as either. My wife is also has because he was talked about it in a single tier, oh my god, Oh and Maria members shower the second season comes out to check it out. We have laid. The enemy is also asking ok Plugging other shows and albums yes, Well, it's important This is important stuff. You know, and we are. We are very conscious that this kind of sick through our cable information can be dry Riah and We also acknowledge that were. Parking lots of theirs dangerous implications in the present day. I am where were you

keep urchins up about it, but the situation is dire, as we were words in there or a ton, more documents that we didn't discuss, I mean literally thousands and each and probably has a tiny little story to tell and that's why we're encouraging you to go in and do some research yourself, or at least sift through the new sites, that's where you into the crazy, but let's laundry, less decoupled. Ok, I'm ok, so FBI, rector and again? This is this? Is a lot of mass researching needed Spine job man? Thank you so much you got it so Director Hoover Rang, forwarded a memo to the White House in sixty three right, after Kennedys definitely and it was this- memo is classifies Topsecret for years and its its. Its exploring the: U S, intelligence agencies, best gases toward the

Soviet Union's reaction to the assassination, and we have quote here: according to our source, officials of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union believed that there was some well organised conspiracy on the part of the ultra right in the United States to effect a coup I am convinced that the assassination was not the deed of one man, but that it rose out of a carefully planned campaign in which several people played a part. Woe now are they fall pray to the conspiracy theories. Are they spreading propaganda because you know, after the assassination, the USSR did pretty effectively capitalize on the opportunity to deserve descent and

out to General Smedley Butler, we know that there have been two attempts in the United States, your typically not going to read about them in your history books, Smedley, smelling idly by us in the De L, E wives and second made up man. I love it speaking. Speaking over my daddy, its W Bush daddy. My grandpa migraine Pappy he's a guy who supposedly went through in depth added to do the beans plot in that crazy. My daddy- was a businessman. In his daddy was being made more. My dad, who see Amy President, presuppose yeah yeah. Thank you for coming by word. We're we're in the middle. The show, though sorry I'll, just go and corn and do some pain I'll, be ok, ok, hating salute math

yeah. Why do you keep bringing their guide? Why do you need Lenin pushed around like that energy deal? They pushes you out of your chair and then does this is low? Creepy lie, I gotta admit when he was in office. Just took a whore, you talk about me, nobody, I know just gimme to say when he was in office. I was in the basement, but afterwards with this guy is chill he is so cool painting he likes to go to gain. What he likes. Will brief get it. You know he can play the rhythm guitar part for every three eleven sound. Did I've been trying or the piano did. You know that Amber is the color of his energy keep saying that I feel it? He thinks that that was his idea, but it clearly lyric from three eleven. Ok, so Maybe yes before we could do the rail these various these various pieces of information are coming out and in many cases, if they are not, contradicting the official narrative. There

at the very least complicating yes, you know, and so we have we have People who are saying never mind this officials have called all conspiracy theory, but that then, at this in time we Our finding secret communiques between people where an intelligence agency is saying pretty much every body thing like the world's other superpowers broody convince the now one guy did exactly and then there are like. Ok, we'll, don't tell anybody could you do know? Unless keep it secret. That's so strange strange now, but we have to. We have to understand one of the one of the most vulnerable points of any. Any state powers. Existence is always going to be there succession ran from the passage of power, from one typically one individual to another sue

for instance, in the case of the democratic People's Republic of Korea, North Korea, one the things that is always a big flashpoint, really dangerous part of time for the world, not just in that region, is when they pass from Father to son, don't know, what's gonna happen, no wicked liquor, Turkey, Riah Likud, ITALY, this. So in the context of the time, this is very very dangerous for the? U S is vulnerable now in a way that it has not been but at least for a long long time, since the probably the death of Lincoln is the last time it was their owner. And one more example, maybe absolutely so for our last entry. For the day we have a document, a top: good document from nineteen, seventy five that was created for the Rockefeller Commission and in this

there is a transcript of a testimony as a former CIA director, but an aim of Richard Helms and in this document, Helms says that he believes that former President Richard, An old, tricky dickie believe that the CIA was actually directly responsible for assassinating the south vietnamese present. Go DEN Deem who died at a coup that was linked to these Central Intel it agency we ve got a quote from Helms himself right. We do indeed and goes as follows: quote theirs: absolutely no evidence of this in the agency records and the whole thing has been, I mean. Rather, what is the word? I want heated by the fact that has it and Johnson used to go around saying that the reason resident Ganny was assassinated was that he had assassinated President Deem- and was just justice

and then homes as where are you This from I don't know yet during a deposition, there was the context of the conversations their homes was asked If there was any way, Oswald was in some way a CIA agent or an asset, operative or an agent of something else in that's right when the document ends, but is this. When the saurians we ve given just a few examples right- and I know that this episode is Israel little ill a little long, because we're were digging into the stuff. But the big question is: is this the holes why that's where one documents? Where does the story end? are we finally in twenty seventeen up to speed on exactly what the? U S, intelligence agency did or did not know

regarding this assassination I'd? I don't, I don't think worth their here's where it gets grazing. Some of these files we mention friend. Still secret, they were all supposed to be released and they were released under every listen this in the future. They were released under the auspices of the Trump Administration ripe, but Not all of them were released, they were supposed to be and we have no idea where, more even if the other stuff will ever make it into the pot sphere the eleventh hour right before this stuff went public became declassify. Intelligence agencies. Behind the CIA, all your favorite alphabet, soup, members of the? U S, government, I ve pressure from

just willing or pressure the administration? I should say successfully to keep some of this stuff secret pass the due date, light of everybody's favorite bogeyman NASH. More security national security? What does that mean? It's just like tagging base you now. Ok, later. Any time you don't wanna tell the public something all national security I'd say I wish I could do that my private life for the good of the realm eyes. Let me just say that from now on we can we can, let's have boats lives with court. A reference over there in the intelligence agencies and to say hey man from well if you're gonna say national security did those guys are not your friends I've been on the food F B? I field office a couple of times of working on this other stuff

I think I've got some sway. I know Paul Paul got sway all over it. Lana right now super reduced or pollyanna. He can make some calls and should be a guys. It's now for the good of the realm call about Paul, that's pretty good guy. I hope all soup so, unless you are as fortunate as the three of us to have a super producer like Paul right in you're circle you Probably see a little bit conceptually. When you hear the phrase. National security is one of those words that gets thrown around Willy nilly the same way that people used to add the the descriptor digital in front of everything in the nineties, then matter what it was. It was digital eager to charge five dollars more so national security in this context could mean several things. Let's break down into a say three or four things. First,

preventing the spread of intelligence techniques, strategies. Spacecraft, highly important absolution efforts of gathering intelligence not be intelligence himself right right, because if somebody else knows how this stuff was gathered than the jig is up, neither can protect against it right exactly this is an understandable concern right, you're ever we're talking about what nineteen sick he's in prior to that, maybe a little bit after that, but mostly you're, dealing with before the assassination, so late fifties early, sixties technologies. If this stuff is held back to protect techniques. From me, nineteen, forty that are literally on display in spy museums around the crash written writer, then the question becomes. Can you possibly believe right, apply. Critical thinking plausibly believe that some of the world's most well funded intelligence operatives would still be using the same techniques for decades source tat. Well, I have to just,

interjection, say I think some of the techniques are very much human and psychologically base ass, a jet, perhaps maybe existing in some of these documents, meant right now. Yes, yes, yes exactly, which are the shortened terms. Human intelligence. Rue signals intelligence, the second The second category here genre of national security, would be to protect the this relationship between the United States and a foreign government clearly very import. Yeah yeah in Reno, we have a lot of what did somebody just this unemployment called the China, the United States for enemies. By we have a lot of those that we have cultivated over the years those relationships. There is no such thing as friendship and GEO sphere. There are interested align, exactly interests that line temporarily or maybe in long term, for a specific thing sure so yeah I complete we agree

now we have another question: if information is being withheld to protect the relationship between into relationship between two countries, then this would mean that they can either be which knowledge somebody may be has a skeleton in the closet invading. Maybe maybe the Soviet Union knows something that the? U S public, does it right or there can the collusion on the part of another country right now it never happened here. Man, it's crazy. It's crazy saw a great and one example of this- would of course, as we mention the b, the USSR efforts to spread propaganda after the assassination or, of course, similar attempts, by the? U S in other forums, very soon: where attempts, strikingly senior. So here's, though, is the is the third John ring could

when they see national security, it could mean protector The lives of current or former government officials, So, let's say one other we hear a lot about JFK is that a secret service member accidently fired the fatal shop. Yes, when refugees as one of the theories again unproven greater. So what is when we tackle government conspiracies, there's people often go to the idea of some great collusion in advance right. The same the same institution that can for the life of a figure out how to do a fact policy is also capable of these supervillain level Goldberg machinations Ray I die. Arcos razor lends itself to covering up a mistake.

Right. So how much more realistic? Is it that someone screwed up and the people are trying to remove that from history, so imagine being retired official and the public learns. That view did something negligent. Accidental unintentional you find yourself a very dangerous creek, with no paddle whatsoever, especially in the age of cheap information, so. In conclusion, here guys, the craziest thing is that at least according to trumps twitter feed. He has released everything and long ahead of schedule. That's what are you saying, however, It seems pretty certain that there is at least a Small number of documents that remain hidden, it seems pretty clear but

What we do have is thousands more documents to tread through, and you know researchers and. Historians in interns are going through all of this stuff, you know, perhaps there's going to be some new revelation, maybe not the kind of thing that I'm was hoping for after all these years, but something surely they wouldn't let it out. I mean you know they say they know. What's in there. They're giving people some to play with and any now feel good about or whatever feel like in form, but he's not gonna, be ants. The government wooden. Allow that to happen. I don't think and if it is a case of national security, then again the implications are dangerous, its twenty seventeen year and if that stuff still applies, I think we can all agree. I think we can all agree folks that the idea of protecting us by craft technique from before

these two, the sixties, here now it's like taper quarters in suitcases dude like they there on display he's late resides I don't know. In my opinion, there is still the possibility that there is a needle inside this haystack line just we there hasn't been enough time enough human hands and eyes working through it. So. Will you at least agree with me that the government knows exactly what's in there? me again we're dealing with the octopus with a diet arm. They do so yeah. I dont know if everybody knows because there's near their factions, at play here and it's been a long time in humans die. That's the one thing we all do now. Is there something there? There must be there? be. Otherwise the intelligence agencies would not of pressure current administration so strongly not released in the previous, several, the previous several sue. There is theirs something something is wrong

in this particular Denmark rise. So. You planning on going through these files. You can do it can find them literally search new J, F K files, and you will find the national archives link that the spreadsheet in it. And it also has every single file on their website. So if you have internet connection men's What's that you can get in there and just start doing it, because I've I've been going through it for the past. Several days just trying to find things, but there's just too much and, like we said you're gonna, find all kinds of weird phrases in there in theirs They want to point to everyone: you if you're gonna look into this, it's the Referral foundations, CIA Cryptogams, to point out the really website you can go to Emma our? Why F, P, r, R L, l dot org, and you can find this thing and it has a huge list, that's crowds worst of all these different

names and stuff that are used by all the intelligence agencies to represent certain things, and its fascinating when you go through these documents. In, like a legend, kindly Gillig actually gives you like a linear young, exactly gas in its it's, not just a you know. I backs o o o b, backs equals there. Sir, you know whatever it is. It gives you a folded, of all the different ways that it can be used as it again refer to its it's really among that essentially rap here. So tell us what you find and while you're online find it If you haven't already, you can find us on Instagram conveners on Twitter. You can find us on Facebook, have names, are all approximations of conspiracy- stuff, yes soon, and we would love to hear your opinion specifically. Have you already into this, do you think that something important yet to be revealed

We missed something, let us know and will put it in the shadows and speaking I we want to thank everybody who wrote to us the various different things You know our social media snail mail. He mirrors in the dark at midnight, cables, cable else. We are all of it. We had a slotted in actually for this episode, but it is run, pray. Silly gonna hold back for the next one, but we I know we don't do it every episode, organ and try to get back into doing this. Can we have we have? Actually, we ve an astonishing piece of work on until we received recently yes, and we want to give it its full do so. Please do Tunisian next week because, unlike the? U S, government we actually release regulatory things

four hundred until we dish. I was sick burn on the: U S, government, you know I'm punchy today, man in our country with without actually going to shout corner. We want to give you shot out to Samuel who sent us something in the snail mail summer. Can we should say what it is that ring they go in your pinky and you can see all documents with wax with them now took the one that has the alien head very cited about a mindset of the gag looks what little a cook, a pale. I cant figure. I don't think that's what it is but Samuel. What is it what's? Was the squiggly one, took it, because I thought I was looking when I don't quite know what it is bends. Yours is a illuminati triangle ring Elsie, I so we put pictures of these rings up and go check it out on Instagram, are who giving us a little bit of our way, go unrecognised appetite, but I'm getting the rapid up. I saw We are going to wrap it up and we're going to in this

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