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Hello will come back to the show. My name is met. My name is no, they call me Ben we're joint, as always with our super producer, Alexis Code, the entire quality Jackson. Most importantly, you are you, you are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't want. You to know, millions are suffering across the world under catastrophic, unexpected floods. People are going space on their own dime aging virus. You're being dug up and cold cases are being cracked. Then we didn't even mention the wildfires and we did not. In the wildfires there's, also a new terrifying study about covert nineteen, that every body needs to hear in today's strange new segment. But first, what do you say we go to cold cases, because we ve spent a lot of time on the shoe talking about the ways. In which widespread free sick dna analysis has cracked cases lead, including sexual assault cases.

Murder cases, and so on that for years and decades been left gathering dust of net this. This first story today is pretty close to you, Is it ties into a show that you yourself executive produce? Yes, you're right, it hasn't it. That land monster the latter missing and murdered children case or the Atlantic child murders, as is also known what I have to tell you There is not a major breakthrough, but it is very promising, I would say, terms of hopefully, fight in some new answers or strengthening a case, or building an entire new one, so the mayor of a key issue: Lance bottoms. She made an announcement about ten. Days ago, as we record this, and I'm gonna run you what she said, guys and weaken, maybe jump out and discuss as we go along this announcement. She said before the pending. We reopen the investigation into the Atlanta missing in

their children case, which was in twenty nineteen by the way, the officially the leave it Lana reopened the case to study all the evidence and too see if there's new dna they can be tested. She says part of the reasoning here is the dna testing forty years later, if there's anything else, they could take a look at and see if they could test it. She says a few things: happened since we reopen this. Thus far, investigators have methodically reviewed an estimated forty percent of the collected evidence to determine which items can be submitted for additional processing to a private lab in on June. Twenty first, they ve moved forward that processing, so that was June. Twenty first of this year, twenty twenty one and you're not going to share the names of the victims from her the dna has been extracted because there were twenty eight to thirty victims. Depending on what you consider the list of victims

to be so, the dna evidence that they have found for new testing could be from any of those victims, and that includes the to adult victims from the The end of the initial investigation into the Atlanta missing murder, children casual its bottom says the private lab, has extensive experience in the field of analyzing, deteriorated dna and has a successful here. In providing evidence in high profile nationwide murder cases, so that right there, just first of all, is very promising to me just knowing that the city of it, They itself is looking into this in taking actual steps, and it seems as though they must have been taking these steps, even throughout the pandemic and throughout quarantine, because there is so much evidence. That's been collected in this case if they ve already looked through forty percent of that we're on good track. I would say: to having all of the evidence looked at to see if there's anything new they can be tested so that there is a good start right

Another really interesting thing. The mayor said, is that the fibre evidence in every one of the individual cases their considering at thirty cases within this larger case, every one of those they fibre evidence has been realised. That whole thing is a fair, three crucial part: the original case in the case against or not the case against, Wayne Williams, but the circumstantial evidence put forward to link Wayne Williams to the DE children's murders. in the Atlanta child murders case. The whole thing is very complicated, again you really interested in in this case go listen to allow a monster. It lays everything out there for you it's in the late night, seventies, early nineteen eighties, when they series of children were abducted and killed in Atlanta

but the fibre evidence. You guys that something, though I think we ve actually get. We talked with pain about that on the show before the green carpet fibre evidence. There was a big part of this case and just wonder if you guys have any on that when we talked with pain, that evidence in the very circumstantial, but at the same time, seems pretty strong if you talk to the the FBI officers who are involved in some way Abd officers here, I personally thought it was pretty significant. I also one of the great controversy regarding the case of wine Williams is the idea that was pursued and package by the media of the time that he being guilty of a few homicides would therefore make him guilty of all the homicides there were pinned on him, but that does not that that was presented as a waterproof case. Yet time would prove this all or nothing

assumption was incredibly incorrect. You one thing I liked about the way Atlanta monster approached. The story is that the writers of that show were careful to present these other possibilities, counter narratives, which should not be dismissed as conspiracy theories. There is circumstantial evidence spite compelling circumstantial evidence that these story remains untold to completion today, and you have to be honest, Williams was not helping himself very much once you was incarcerated. I he had. I don't know how much of the story wanna tell on air. I do check out the Shobo up. He had several things in the past that clearly clearly indicated manipulative narcissistic personality type, which event this was there. I mean this common for us

some of these types of murderers. But in this situation there are survivors of these innocent people who had their lives, cut short, and you can't put a price on giving those survivors closure. So I think it is a noble and important thing the pursuit YAP ivory. To that point, we Williams is in prison right now, because he was accused of and convicted of killing. Two adults led to an else you're on the list: a twenty two year old in a twenty seven year old, so that one of the primary reasons. People look at the case and go away. Why is he in jail for all of those kids? Then you have to look deeper into her into the case and look at the in each the visual victim and There are some weird connections that I was there a little out. There seem like it couldn't be coincidence. Then there's the end, but you You never know it could be absolute coincidence because there's not a ton of formation to go on when you

He hit hard evidence that was presented in a court and that's why stuff so interesting. I think in my opinion, no I'll go in and say this in my Vivian Wayne Williams is not guilty of all of the crime that are on that list all the murders and abductions and terrible in areas that are on the official list, and there are still people out there somewhere, some of whom may still be alive. Who had something to do with this? While one victim or more yeah there's a possibility of A couple of genres of cover up right has again it's. The problem is These are presented as all or nothing stories, but the real world is not at all or nothing thing. Very few things are not clear cut, so I think what the word thirty cases at least who does it involve children between the ages of seven in seventeen? So the view that the two

that Williams was convicted of they don't fit the profile of whoever is doing this if it were indeed a single killer. Are one of the tragically plausible cover up theories? Is the idea that a p d at the time just closed out a bunch of cases when they found someone that they get pin the mine just it just to keep their numbers good and to alleviate public public panic and reason as possible is because there have been proven cases where that happened in the past. You know and other products like they want to close these cases out and it can be hard to walk away from a scapegoat, none of which Swaying Williams, a good person to be click, no, no time to lose, not, but it does

does mean that there may have been some child exploitation rings like groups of people that were that were active. Him were a part of this. That's a possibility. There is also a possibility that exporting the podcast of some white supremacy groups or individuals who are part of this? So, knowing that this dna is being search for and retested is, is great so glad that is happening excited that is happening. What do you think the best Scenario is like what could this lead to their speed there being so many possibilities? I mean: do you really misses a road to like a definitive answer like a singular identity or just the opening of some more doors? Perhaps I think it's a hopeful in opening to multiple doors? Because again, ideas example have been set. each individual child and case with in the larger case should be examined on its own, and you know the can,

actions to a possible serial killer. Are there in summer them in many of them, but not in all of them, and I'm just best case scenario- is that this dna gets I stayed in at least two something completely different that that was on the radar of investigators at the time, but that person was Justino chosen not to be looked at further or crazy scenario. There's dna is linked to somebody who was promised. We're either within the investigation or you know within the city at the time, was certainly could make more plausible one of these other theory scraps like India, something connected to, maybe something that would have been considered fringe. It can really quickly real that in from the fringe areas, or it comes back and its in its him, you know in his Williams or it could Lee to someone who is alive, who gets implicated with dna evidence of one of these murders, and they talk to investigators.

It does no one, like Williams, just intransigent, right now, stubborn and and not forthcoming with information. To me, one of the best case scenario would be if they find someone whether problem you're, not, as you said, met, and that person is alive, is lucid and starts talking about what they believe really happened, or what their involvement was, because then that goes from a snail's pace of a closed in case to us, like a watershed of revelation, to those a snail's pace to a close case. Do that's separated out right now. That's really good Joseph S. Biogas there are at least two cases in which DNA was able to be new. Dna samples were able to be extracted and they ve been sent off protesting. So we'll find something

within a month's time. So, a couple of weeks from now, hopefully- and I was your thing- they expanded the timeline out back in time. nineteen, seventy and forward in time to nineteen eighty five well after weighing Williams, was in prison just to see if there are any additional victims that we're not caught in ever put on a list or net even consider victims because they had a suspect in jail. So all of that all of that stuff, there's there's new life to this case now and hope. Only a few of these family members of these victims, will get the like closest thing that you can get to closure wishes just knowing what the hell happened and that in rapid, that's, that is one of the ever present theories right man ever since the arrest of Williams. One of the theories was that there were child murders that continued and that simply wert treated with the same amount of bliss

is that correct, just hand, or that happened well before the list was begun so there's so much controversy read all of that stuff listened. So if you haven't it's it's worth your time. I want you to know that I called they pity and talk to somebody there's an officer right now that is looking to give us some updates. So when anything comes through we'll find out and if it's worth it will let you know, I think, that's it. For now we're gonna take a quick break, but we will. right back with more strange news.

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This product is not intended to diagnose tree cure or prevent any disease, and we're back with more strange is this. Is this is a story that I think is probably Then, on everybody's radar, perhaps to an obnoxious degree, it is certainly overshadowed some of the things we talk about Top of the show like these floods and these if it world events- and you know escalation of of the covered, nineteen dealt the variant and in our peoples, poor behaviour in that regard and end and Vienna, wildfires and the like the new cycle for the last several months, it seems life has and somewhere dominated by billionaires in Spain S Yea Logan trying to arrange anybody's great here, but I think it goes without saying that

These come off as a bit of an act of vanity. This kind of vanity projects really ok, you got your billionaire you want to start. A new industry is called space tourism more. You just want. I like being a make history by being the first civilian in space cool. So what does that do As I said, it was the first one to really talk about it and then kind of coming out of the the wings. Here we got richer Branson, the billionaire that we kind of all forgot about hastily, much more high profile. Billy comes into says, nope gets, you beat basis and he goes up their first. So now we have basis and he's accomplished this thing that he set out to accomplish in his intensely phallic blue origin space ship riots? That's I ever to honestly. I've been not looking at it on purpose. It's

well? That is why watch too, I watch the new John John Stewart show trials that they put out, o o yea and invade the whole joke was in they looked like, but I'm just seeing it for the first time when you said looks phallic. Nonetheless, oh my god, looks like the raw get shipped the doktor evil shoots out of his doctor, evil shaped mountain. our volcano in in the os empowered such like it, you have to wonder whether it was a purposeful decision. Also got a point out there. I said this on an earlier site, but they got into quote unquote space. Oh no, Of course it will get all that we're going. It's all that and by the way, Baisers kind of a dead ringer doktor evil. If I'm not put too fine a point on it and you yeah me. Lord. You done a lot of good work on that. One is

through a lot of good means, literally there's a whole sequence from from send bowers where it's like? All these people say? Look it's a giant and then it cuts person, saying where you go with that. Well, look here that crazy! You know like it's a whole. I cut away thing where every word is their word innocent end in word for peanuts, but its unrelated, and if the men are ultimately comes back around to them saying another stand and were for peanuts. Looking doktor evil, ass well, ass, the thing Ben basis. A went up to its current quote was cos space Shelly subspace with his brother. and some other people will get to the other. People exist. This actually really interesting stuff in there that I think didn't, kill ya, bury but little a post mortem thing with them some reporter and they ask Jeff basis what he's wearing a cowboy have by the way and nobody calls in the space cowboy I guarantee. No one's ever call them that he took the roll out upon himself

Neither did anyone costume Miller that I'm, I'm I'm almost positive, but they ask him so Jeff basis did your trip out into space? Make you want to push worth further into the cosmos, and it goes well yeah what what? What? What up I mean it's like the most quintessential evil. Guy laugh, you ever heard in your life, and all the while his brother during distinguish motion is phrased, works like showing what it's like to be a zero, but when you take our contacts in the hands of people like who's that Berger VIC Burger who works with like TIM and Eric and makes all these amazing news footage. Is it's just it's like the jokes right themselves, but here we are Jeff basis what are the people brought into space? Who I thought was really really cool and not being talked about enough? Was a woman in Wally Funk? Who was a would be astronaut, say, sheep

already had an incredible story. She, like I, was in sight, was in it and terrible accident very young and she had a debilitating spinal injury. She was told, you'd, never walk again does skiing accident, but she told you never walk. an end by the age of seventeen. She, essentially rehabilitating herself to the point of now being able to walk again by actually becoming an expert pilot. She got her palace lessons that age nineteen and logged something in the neighbourhood of like twenty thousand flying hours. She talked more than three thousand people to fly, and she essentially was one of the early. well that was very close to getting into the space programme. She excelled at all of the tests. Eunuch as an early astronauts were pilots. Are there are people from from force and sheep

was essentially denied denied being a part of some of the early pilot space programmes. The mercury thirteen, I believe, was the name of this group. This cohort the flats, they offered himself as the first lady astronaut trainees The story kind of like the always call hidden figures, the story, the women that were very, very much responsible for helping develop some of the algorithms in some of the science and six behind getting into space that that story was kind of buried. This was somewhat buried too and they were essentially blocked from going into space because of their gender. So look I'm not trying to crap on baisers too much I mean, I think it was probably a noble gesture feels a little on the pr side, knowing that

people talk about this billionaire going in a space is like a vanity project and not dimension is total doktor, evil, demeanor and the fact that he says thanks Doll, Amazon customers for paying for all this, like you, ok, going to be in the room but cool that he did this for Wally Fun, but here's the story. The actual story that I'm here to talk about today is not to just rehash this building and space. It's the fact that, on the day of Jeff Bezos space the F a issued, a new I'd line changing the what it takes to be officially classified as an astronaut. Changing in just such a way that everything that basis and as other now people who accompanied him didn't not qualified to be astronauts feels like it was pretty the timings pretty fortuitous. I think they're sort of produce

doing this future of of space tourism and do not want to kind of set the record straight or get get everything other ducks in a row early on before. We just have liked gazillion astronauts in the same way that we have so many people now trying to scale Mt Everest is definitely inevitable, but on the most potent criteria than the a change was that they dimension This is one that they actually did meet demonstrated flight beyond fifty statute, miles above the surface of the earth as flight crew on an f, a slash, asked he licensed or permitted launch where entry vehicle they need. They got that one. I think it was sixty three miles above sea level and here's the one that I think really there's a wrench in the works demonstrated activities during the flight that were essential to public safety or contributed to Human Space flight safety. What what does that mean exactly? I think the issue is the

It's up to the aid to determine exactly what that means. But since this was not a crude mission per se, an automated mission by the whole ship, everything about it was completely automated. There was nobody coding quote piloting this this vessel. And then another of the revised eligibility requirements was in order to maintain the prestige of commercials he's astronaut wings like we're, pilots get not the ones they give to look at. The FDA may further refine the eligibility requirements at any time as it deems appropriate any update of the eligible he'll, be recorded as a revision to this document. Yes there is a whole other category relic honorary awards, so they could be individuals whose contribution to commercial human spaceflight merit special recognition. The associate administrator for commercial space transportation has told

aggression regarding identifying and bestowing a honorary award of Commercial space astronaut wings to individuals, to demonstrate an extraordinary contribution are beneficial service to the commercial human space by industry, which, I would argue, Dena Basis certainly did but an astronaut. He is not Do you know what he gets? The meetings of the affair, given the middle thing, billionaires is them trying to protect their turf, to stay relevance. What do you think they are no, it does feel like it's how you guys, don't you be merry fields, really popular to crap on these guys? Were these millionaires? You may targets I mean you know what they're doing a super cool, but you know people I Bernie Sanders when they respond. You know with it says the same argue. So he's been there billionaires kind of. Not wanting their money, necessarily in this way, but a little bit.

while a lot of the world suffers. Individual level. You know none TIM too, make even the most eager means work for them. So you know I get it. The same time it is cool, but at the same time I could see, Why the FDA would want to be like guys come on you, you're, not astronauts, When I read the, I read the actual guidelines that the Effie put out there there, the it sort of super long documents like for my pages, but it's it's freely available online and it has, it has to have stuff knows talking about the accelerating from it. Yeah has the honorary awards is well revising eligibility requirements. That's the that's! The big widened that also something they double downright when they change. definition. They also baked in their line where they say we can change this again at any time

I only imagine you know some of the basin of the world. Reading that and thinking, oh They can move the goalposts if they wish, but to your point about that about the poor old picking on these billionaires know that the contradictory arguments be fair is something along the lines of their employer lots of people by this this new. space raise their validity laying the groundwork for technological breakthroughs, but with the F Ays idea of public safety, I tend to agree with you guys it's it's kind of like the idea of what is it appropriate word seeing you know one of those. I know when I see it kind of thing. So this while it's difficult to divide motivations, unless there clearly stated the timing of it, definitely feels purposeful right, the timing of it. The fact is, as short document instead of something obviously took years, to make idle

of the here from I'd love to hear from weighing are Monteith Lee, associated administrator who signed this site. You know made this official I'd like to hear But his motivation is, you know, was this something that they had already had in the works when they learned about this plan, or was this like a wholly smokes? Let's get this out right now, so that these I cannot call themselves billionaire astronauts I'm not I'm not completely sure, but this we know that Marshall Space Ass Right wing programme already existed right. It's it's been around before this leg of the space race. I feel that there are acting the legacy of it all right leg and while he fungus part of that She was denied the designation of ash not during time where we now, despite of the hard work she and her colleagues from you know the Mercury thirteen put in they were denied

specifically for being the wrong gender. You know for the time I was on nineteen. Seventy eight that that women were allowed into the space programme site. I kind of thing they're doing, is less of a bee. Now middle finger to the billion and more just like a protecting the legacy and the people who actually put in that hard work under really difficult circumstances, because, ok, yes, did Jeff bases work really hard become the richest man in the universe Shore, but did he work really hard to become an astronaut coding corps in the same way Neil Armstrong dead are, like you know, of Wally Funk or Buzz Algernon, these luminaries of the past. the really put their necks on the line to when it was super scary. To do that, It was really untested it to me feels like a sort of like a protection against

some rich bozo, waltzing Anne and just say I'm the same. On the same as all of you he's not the same as them, I would argue when they be able to qualify if they did something that would buy, contribute to public safety or safer space whites. What I take that to mean conducting experiments and were making discoveries. None will up chances, not nest. surely of survival on that flight, but will in hard terms up the chances of survival on flights. They come after right about that. I think they're going and they're saying it seems like an idiot early dry way. I agree I tend to agree about protecting legacy here, but it seems like in a fairly dry way. There are also saying you just went to space. You just went a quorum quote space for a low more than ten ten minutes or so, and you didn't really do anything to help other people. While you were up there,

where to help other euro astronauts or later flights. Is that with their say, no, it did blue origin. Do we knew no, whether blue origin conducted experiments or data of swift remind retaining the allay thinking that you were like tossing skittles into each other's mouths and and just kind of legal laughing about it. and meanwhile they looked at the way. Now I do not believe they conducted an experience. It was a very short journey. You now. I think you would require a little more of a dinner. I s s situation or more of like her. You know being up there for a while to have the opportunity to do that. that was in the car and in fact the Branson Space Flight was actually labelled as a test flight, Sally and the lower than the rocket by the way is called the new shepherd. Blue origin is the company basis. A space can be an apparently visa Phallic rock have been around for a while. I think it's just the most high profile unveiling of this rocket, where every one kind of all.

The same time was that, oh, I know it that looks like As you know, most rockets are inherently phallic in nature, but this one literally as like a thing on the end: there really does cells the amiss. I think it's just such dope technology cause they're doing the same thing. Blue origin is doing the same thing Spacex is doing where they're sending up rockets thick and then come back down and land on their own without any human intervention. Well, without any direct human intervention or whatever you call it piloting. That's super cool just from ability to send things up into space if we need to on any scale. That's awesome anywhere the public safety contribution to public safety in space way, and we also their re usable. That's gonna, high s knees at that. And in that capital came back. Dolly was good to go same thing with virgin galactic men. Theirs is. Much more like a shuttle just with a kind of a weird freely back in

they refer thou and as a space plain actual. Yet oh yeah, that term only ever heard before, because it takes off the whole system, takes off as a plain gets up to a certain altitude than the rocket detaches and it goes up further and then at least lands and in that think of Baghdad like a shuttle and live again like the kid in me, is soup excited about all that tack in innovation? Just the inner part is pretty sticky, six hundred and ninety million people have ongoing food insecurity, encase starvation, but but the idea again is is not admit of greater good, combined with AIDS there We were used to stop them from doing what they want their, not breaking any laws by industry there are doing anything illegal in this endeavour that they're not do not, but I get out of the power in the symbols we see

you know like like the way you would have on. What's the law appalled? Would people pretend that their veterans to try to get stolen, honour received word for that idea. That sounds arrays valor, still a young, our stolen bower, that's it! Thank you, man. I mean, I think, applying that too I think maybe there's some similar idea here, which is still till a scene You are part of this tremendous legacy in this way. You know- and I think that great argument, but if I were one of these people, I think of any of us when these people we really wanted to wear nigh, honorary Ashura wings that bad than didn't next media question is ok. What do you want me to do? What s a approved experiments were contract oceans can we explicitly agree on and then I will do those you know what I mean that

the only way that they couldn't just change the definition and the next time here, eleven minutes away from your email or whatever. Why? I think that it is also likely really are just kind of predicting the future, a space travel and getting the terms in order now early right. There's a really good article about this. I NBC News written by Denise, Chow and Denise Chow interviews, space historian and author named Andrew shaken or chicken He has a really interesting way of some of the other thing we can live with this. I, like the term space traveller. He says anybody. You flies ends whenever, whatever their capacity is a space traveller in years to come, people might go to space, not for science, but just for a requirement to do their job maybe it's a manager of an orbiting hotel. I dont know that you would call percent, an astronaut, but she would call them a space traveller veto should definitely watch that promo for

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The Amazon's in my head, or one of the many variance that are proliferating across the planet. As we speak, there is a new problem in town and its one has been rumoured for awhile. Give you the headlines, give you the rough ins and outs of it, and then I loved it. I'd love to get nationally walls, thoughts as well as you conspiracy. Realist, so you probably know someone who contracted cove it. I they We have had serious, even fatal symptoms. They may have been asymptomatic and only found out that they were infected after they received a test, the indicated anti bodies in their system, but you know at this point. You know someone who contracted cool

we're very it somehow and you may have watched your loved ones, discover the unique nature of how this virus affected them. You know some people say I've, a shortlist of breath. Some people are experiencing what we now come to call long cove it right then long Cove. It would be a symptoms or problems that continue after the infection has left someone's body and that still do there are still things like shortness of breath, maybe lethargy and so on. There are, as we record today, there are still tons of studies being conducted to figure out exactly what your life is. Gonna, look like heroes, thirty years down the line after you ve been infected with covert recovered. Very it and there's a new study that just got published

the Lancet lower in a journal of the Lancet called E clinical medicine. Don't let the dry very and sexy name, fool you. This is important. The finding suggest that cove it can produce substantial reductions in cognitive ability, it seems to be lasting and it seems to be in step with the severity of the illness. On the individual basis, another scary thing about this found out about it pretty much by coincidence, Lee researcher guy named Adam Hampshire was doing a. It was collect, a large scale set of mental and cognitive health data as part of something called the great british intelligence test, and So I will. I want a pause here, some nominal logging, but you guys, we all know someone had contracted cope. It right. Do we know bodies who experience serious symptoms. Now

is it I detest deposited for the covert antibody? I don't really know when I got it. I apparently did And I ve known quite a few people who ve gotten end with varying degrees of symptoms. I have a very good friend who was probably them careful of any one that I know never left his house. Humanist bar heinous partner must have gotten it for going to the grocery store, one time or from literally taking a walk down the street and passing through a cloud of aerosol ized covered or a civilised. You now breath from maybe but joggers under my guy literally, is we ve gone round and round as I? What could it have been met? There's somebody just close in my personal sphere. who experienced long covered- I,

as you say, the lingering effects of of the infection yeah and let's keep then in our thoughts as well as everybody else who is currently fighting off the virus that causes curve it here's what happened in the study net Adam Hampshire was gonna, be conducting anyway. It's very important to know that he didn't set off to find this. The test is composed of a series of task that are designed to measure just different dimensions of cognitive abilities. Think, like a less biased iq test, we should probably also doing episode on the IQ test at some point, but while they were conducting this test, it has things like quantitative, intelligence memory, retention, short term stuff. You know like remember this. seven numbers or something by the way. Seven is one of the easy numbers of digits for people to remember, which is

my phone numbers in the: U S: minus the area code or seven digits. Very think about that. It's it's easy for our brains. Work with them, no. We don't need to remember phone numbers, they all right got nine one one and the one. Eight three three asked data be Whitey K. Those are the only two numbers that anyone in America bothers to remember today. That's right and you can just put it in your phone and just at all it s tv and then you're a year, parents or whoever you hang out it'll go what do you have std in your room? A why? Why do you call so much they'll, be like you, have a mysterious enigmatic. adventurous life you, my friend or dangerous. I will it's funny We can t grow memory later, because this does apply to this conversation. I bet that those of us in the crowd today who are,

old enough to remember the time before Bigwood is smartphones mobile devices. I bet you probably remember phone numbers from your ancient past, like you probably remember your parents home phone number, even if you have a smartphone, if you dont member per number memorize it now. Just in case, you probably remember like Fred you had when you were growing up before you are allowed to have smartphones loner what age kids get him now but the idea I just remembered might seriously any saying that my friend might like school age young friend than I grew up that number just flash for my eyes, and I have not thought about it since, plenary school wholly crap out, amazing Ben sorry? Your brain is amazing because it's a kept it. How what an amazing organ. Our brains are harder.

Of information and they should be some party. Your brain was like. We should keep that just in case there is no throw it away just yet. You never know Well, of course, more say the number on air, but I am sure no you ve ever explicitly. So what this would happen is while Hampshire's gathering this information, some of his colleagues who says, contacted him during this time to say hey. This is also a golden opportunity to figure out how the pandemic! In covert, nineteen may or may not be affecting mental health and cognition, and he had been thinking about this, so we wanted to help as much as he could. So he put an extension onto the study to include information about covert nineteen. They talked with a lot of people over eighty thousand, eighty one thousand through and through

seven participants and aid. These folks did the test. Between January, in December, of twenty twenty of the entire sample, there were well thousand six hundred and eighty nine individuals who said they had experienced covered nineteen with some degree of respiratory severity. That sounds like a small number, and it is what we have remember this January in December, and so things were still a little bit. Different situation is evolving and what they found it spooky because they said, aren't we controlled for all the other intervening variables, age, sex. What

they're right or left handed round dexterous what language they speak, how much education they have. It cetera et Cetera, yadda yadda yadda at after accounting, for all of that gained the best baseline. They could they found that people who contracted covert nineteen tended to under perform on this intelligence test compared to people who have not contracted the virus. The biggest deficits were on tasks that require planning problem solving and reasoning, and this goes into one of the other symptoms of long covered. The people have reported, which they called braying fog, I know that I know that symptom well Have we not covered related Vienna? They called the Monday's tat night. I can totally imagine what am I being is just sort of like a bit of he's not being able to connect the dots see. Now, in the near data day, problem solving difficulty

Jane. Stop me if I'm way off base, but that just pretty pretty great name for some of Then, why? I wonder how common, it is just in this era of anyone who has gone. You know lived through as an adult the quarantine. process and the pandemic in general. I wonder I would I would, if I was being- ass. I was a young experiencing a lot of brain, far lily and I would probably attributed all of that just feeling not normal, I guess, as as much of the past You're in a half hour, so has been not normal. Separating feels weird do I, but I can t see why that brain fog. again the person I'm close? Do that experience? This reported that exact symptom? Why while they were dealing with IE,

The immediate post covert affects icy and you and you don't have to have covered either. You guys are raising Exxon point. You dont have to have covered to experience something like brain fog, because during the pandemic, a lot of the routines that people used to define the passage of time are removed I would be surprised if there was any body new experience, the locked down and always remembered what day it is because the peak behind the curtain, as we say this, show there there were months where I I just knew What day it was based on whether or not I was recording. These the area. Sadly I he help. if I wasn't recording, then it was just a day where I did email male plan on things. I will have to go back in my head and say: ok, we're recording dead, so that is definitely a Monday or you

but even email. You look, maybe just saying too much here but email. I remember moments where I sat and looked my email for away too long like a single draft just going, think I know what I want to say here, Lou and enshrine right. It s just not be happy with it and then just I anyway, I'm just. I will then you end up with others like drafts in, like our like half finished Tabs open, and then it starts to get a little bit out of control. So yeah, I'm with you there too, we just we had a lost time of of brain fog's. Strew. True mine's me of the kind of there was something almost boost like about that existence reminds me of the film the others were in.

The protagonists are moving through this world that they do not quite understand and then the passage of time becomes unclear. Don't wanna spoil it, but it's a good show. I this ok. So this is kind of terrifying, because it means that, even if you have done your absolute ass, you done everything right. You could still somehow get infected by this thing and depending on the severity you could experience much as eighty seven point drop in your intelligence is measured in terms of iq. This doesn't seem fair course. Life is not known for being particularly fair, but still, it seems like it seems like a crappy deal. Doesn't it I looked into. I looked into war this because I wanted to check out the methodology of the study and if you are currently scared or will bid spooked up by this, then you should be. I then keep listing because we're goin

two we're gonna take apart some parts of it and also wishes to keep my MRS One study then it is their use. Is gonna, be lots of he's into this now. There's probably another study, equally, as scientifically rigorous. That says something is the complete opposite. So I mean let's not get too terrified. shaking in our boots about God I had covered, are some minors. Coverlet means they're, gonna, gradually become brain dead over time lay out of it. What anyone saying order Leah. No, not at all to say something like that. We would be better longitudinal test. We need monitoring over. A much longer span of time, so when people

who were in their thirties when the pandemic struck. When there may be in their sixties or seventies right, then we can have enough information to look back and see whether a correlation exist over the long term, which has a third allotted gobbledygook edge. But the point is that you should. The point is: remain calm, chins up, don't panic! Yet, let's by some holes in this study is well, so did I say, eight hundred and eighty one thousand three hundred and thirty, seven participants, twelve thousand six hundred and eighty nine said they had covid with some degree of respiratory severity. So there are other people are probably symptomatic. They didn't know it. Maybe they didn't get tested There was a very small subset of people. Only two hundred and seventy five people who did the intelligence test both before and after control with nineteen so

study mostly employed what is called a cross sectional methodology. This is this is the right thing to do. In this case, as long as we remember, it limits your ability to draw solid conclusions about cause and effect so This is a large sample size for a new research, but we have to ask ourselves whether there are other factors working in tandem with this loss of intelligence also could be getting a bit of a false positive with the idea. Of contracting covered, leading to lower intelligence because there might be peep. who were more.

More likely to read in depth about things like the importance of social, distancing or quarantining right? You could make you could make an argument, I'm not making this. I will think any of us were making this argument, but you could make an argument that there was some sort of factor there that the study is not not designed right to understand, but what this means to me. They hope I think you guys all agree. But what this means to me is that there are. There is potential for long term effects of covert that we do not know yet, but we do not understand I ends you can find, unfortunately, no shortage of anecdotes from people who are saying yes, I've got antibodies Cove is out of my system, but now I am experiencing long Cove it. The infection left, but the symptoms remained. Studies are still

building on this year on the idea that you start fatigue that you start your brain far cough chest: stomach pain, headaches, the coming go in course, difficulty breathing. We don't know yet we don't know how much of that is directly related to Covid vs, a person's pre existing lifestyle. We don't know how much of that is related to the trauma, the psychological trauma of surviving a pandemic, the physical trauma of surviving a disease, and at this point we are going to know until more research is done. If that is, I do believe the science direction is heading, and now is the right. You know- and I am lucky to say, like new several people who have experienced covert, Luckily none too ventilator level, but we have a colleague

who is tremendously safe to the utmost degree and after you know, this person's pod got backs needed. They all got together for a celebration for a holiday and they were all either vaccinated, reprieve obviously had cultivate and gone to the other side of it, or so they thought, because it is very small gathering, maybe ten or so people. Fifty percent of them, including our friend, contracted this infection, So it's it's nothing to play with, especially because we don't know the symptoms yet, but it does appear that there may be long term cognitive consequence. And thou. Thankfully, in the situation, you're describing the symptoms were practically not exist. and I mean there, there were some very minor symptoms. There is some loss. East and smell some of the ones that you now got got out. Oppressed I really know, nothing, debilitating nothing, of course nothing along the lines of ventilator or hostile.

As I mentioned by it, does appear that the vaccine still protects you against symptoms, extreme symptoms, even from the variant now. Of course, Pfizer in particular, is all about the possibility of a third booster shot. Hopefully that's cause the science. Is there also but Pfizer's of private entity so Dolly the donor for free, but lest we get to cynical, when I hear your stories we were, I had particular would like to hear about people's own experiences. If you, if you were a loved one, have corridor You have to be someone, you love it someone you know when they had Corbett did. Did anyone experience this brain fog? Did it seem like there was a time limit on it. In other words, did the fog seemed to disperse? You know what I mean several weeks or several months,

after you were on the other side of covert and if not, what other effects have experienced a. What do you think about the ongoing debate over astronauts and billionaires in space. What do you think we may learn? about the wing Williams case, I'll we'd love to hear from you. We try to make it easy to find us all light that's right and finest on the internet where, on Facebook we are on twitter and and on you too, all under the handle conspiracy stuff. You can also find us on Instagram, aware, conspiracy, stuff show and while you're on the internet, do us a solid and leave us a five star review on Apple podcast. It helps people discover show and it just means about us the twofold kind of approach. Yes, yes, yes, and if you want to call us, We got this great phone number Ben mentioned it already. It's one, eight three, three std w whitey K give us a call givers, the cool, nickname and let us know if we can use your name whatever. It is your message on the air. You have three minutes

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