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An anonymous source we always talk about our call in line the various ways you can contact us who someone called one. Eighty, three, three s d, W Whitey K recently left a message that sent us down a bit of a rabbit whole years, person called in after did. I believe us, trials in the UK. We did that episode in this person wrote in to tell us about the topic. We're gonna be covering today just mentioned to us hey. We should look into it. And what we found was surprising. Yeah yeah regardless of where you live nowadays, regardless of where you, where you reside in a globe of ours. Your local news is probably full of crises they're both real and imagined, and there terrible things right? That's how that's how news makes money so

these disasters like the war on Christmas, are more or less piano, seasonal, hoaxes, everybody's hip, to it there meant riled people up to can behave as certain away. Others like with nineteen are unfortunately, all too real, Today we are exploring something that was once upon a time considered a conspiracy theory all its own and now is global, Warming over the past decades, numerous government institutions thousand private entities have been aware of the massive threat posed by global warming, the gist of global warming is this evening tiny changes in our average temperatures on earth surface or in its atmosphere can have long reaching death

stating effects on the world over all we see small amounts. We mean lake of five degrees. Fight like daddy's, dead. How fragile our exists, is that the small kind of variable that out entire our entire ecosystem depends on five degrees, up eight degrees up things or wild. At that point, most people is a thing nowadays. Most people agree. This is a problem everyone's aware of it is she come to you come as no surprise, however, that No one has proposed a solution that everyone supports. So what going on, I know I've probably already made a couple of people are angry in the audience today by saying that global warming is not in fact a conspiracy, but little what's, let's look at it, but let's Look what what is global warming? What is climate change here? The facts

climate change is certainly something that you can observe wicked. Definitely see our climate changing year over year, a gets hotter quicker, and it's just kind of something that you can very much experience with your senses. Self I'd I'd. I don't understand why its controversial but yet talk about whether versus climate, for example, whether refers to localised atmosphere, conditions occurring over short periods of time anywhere from couple of days to just a few minutes, so things like rain snow cloud cover. Storms, floods. These are examples of of weather events, they happen and then they're gone over a short period of time. Climate is just a pull back view of all that. It refers to a series of these kinds of events patterns that happen over a longer period of time. Long term, regional or even global averages of Temperature humidity rainfall patterns these things are seasonal. They happen

four seasons years or even decades, so unease If you about it is, if you look outside, are you listening and theirs under storm going on. That is your friendly neighbourhood weather, and that's just how it's going to be you see, and oddly rain free weekend and the time when you usually see rain. That's also gonna be whether but let's say you deal with a year. Long, drought or let's say that the amount rain that's happening every year decreasing year every year, for you know, let's say a day eight or to that's gonna, be climate and that that thing is changing yet this is the issue of legal escapes, a lot of people, even people who should know better climate change is the long term change in the average weather patterns, and you know the big patterns, the things that the fine on Local, regional and global climatic scale. Warming is just that. What it's like a subdivision of its laws.

Firm heating of earth's climate system- and we ve observed this since the pre industrial, that would be about. You know. Eighteen, fifty two, the early twentieth century, we ve, observed it due to human activities mainly fossil fuel burning, because fossil burning increases. The amount carbon dioxide, nitrogen oxide, methane ozone, so on the so called greenhouse gases and they're called greenhouse gases because they trap heat in from the sun in earths, admin you're, a good. You know it's like the old roach motel advertisements. You know what I mean the sun's energy checks in, but it can't check out- and this is This is bad for us because we above all, to live in an environment where there is not as much greenhouse gas. So when you think about climate change- and we think about global warming kind of like how

or mazes or puzzles, but not all puzzles or maize is like how all case India's are snacks, but not all snacks. Your case d, how enemy is animated, but not all animation is Europe. You get it. You get the moving picture here then I take issue with case a deer being a snack that is an honorary my friend there's an answer: I don't know man, I don't know. I'm working life but agree to disagree that I you know I can eat like two. Three cases is setting a may ever problem, but the his feet but case these aside. One of the most important differences between climate change and global warming is that clear, we change can occur now. Truly and people don't mention this enough. It gets wrapped up in all these weird can spare she theories. We have to run Were the ice ages came and went way before human started, human being or whatever? The thing is that

most, probably not all changes in earth's climate. Since the early nineteen, hundreds that we can measure they have been driven by human act ready, but there were still there were still natural. Things are very important part of the story which is also a matter band of you, know those ice age that came and went naturally. That was a much longer time line and we're talkin about two. When, when the human intervention comes into the picture, we start to see these things happen a little more rapidly in like our lifetime right yeah, that's! Lee. We have to remember, of course, that We are very much not super important humans are very much not super important to life on earth. As anything more than a threat. Billy the billions of years pass. Ice ages came a wit. Kay, knows erupted which that super cool. You know there were earthquakes, there were floods or tectonic shifts the continents where for positions and then we showed up basic

very recently the like the very end, like we on the place but Yellow Sacho changes are things like I lie mean yeah I, and so I or changes in the sun's output earth or There were one of one of them, who most metal examples which would be giant volcanic eruptions, yeah, there's a great those who do a real number on the atmosphere. They actually naturally do some of the things that were talking about today. Humans will have any control over the stuff, but we, like all living things on earth. For the best and also kind. It have a little bit of a God complex where we want to figure out how to do these kinds of things year in you do when you get it. You some of the climate change debate, one of the major argue arguments, you're gonna, see for climate change being a hoax. Is why? we just mentioned here: changes in the sun and

how much energy is actually being omitted from the sun and at what time and what kinds of cycles the sun goes through compared to the cycles. Europe is going on and then how those two things interact and whether or not Climate change is actually just the sun changing that's a debate. Were a different day for this episode, we're going to take it in Oregon it it is though that is not the problem. Everything that is affecting the earth and the atmosphere is being affected in the climate is actually changing. Their building baby? Give Yes, exactly so we're gonna talk about a real. We are thinking about. Man made things here again: fossil fuels, alot of methane that gets up into the atmosphere, Other gases again up the atmosphere because of factory farming and things like that, but as always the that all black old you know the Texas That's gonna, be one of the main things just burning off these things. Traps that he, because of these because

Here too, in the other things that are being released, This is also died, One thing is in the newest, but this is coming. This is important developing. Countries have a problem with industrial countries are the so called punctual. First world countries, telling them to practise pollution controls, because the ideas like old you're making us run race with a backpack bricks, because you already you all right, burned all the call you needed. You know what I mean: Hydro, electric energy and solar energy is all well and good for you guys, but you shouldn't have to like you couldn't have gotten where you are. You know Western Europe United Kingdom, you Et Cetera, if you hadn't been able to just thrown all this garbage into the sky for evil. Century or more, did you go replace the game age of empires, yes

was that sort of like a sin city but like with thick of civilizations kind over now more than war strategy game, I gotta financially, but it was also civilization building, but one of the press. Things you have to do in that game and I think it is very telling here it's exactly what what civilizations have to do, what countries after you have to build up at the level of essentially your technology, and one of the primary steps you have to get too is essentially fossil, burning the industrial age where you have to make enough power to do all the things that you need to do to advance further and yet exactly what you're seeing their vanishes. If you, if you remove that step by maybe making countries and governments control exactly how much emissions are allowed to put out there? Then you're really just the organ, a handicap them yeah? It's like, we it's like this.

People who built their fortunes on these sorts of acts right this kind of energy or the same institutions that are telling other up in commerce that they cannot play by the same rules and the Euro Hypocritical. Sure, yes, but also our understanding as a species of the problem has changed. We know a lot more about. What's going on, learned it a little too late. My nihilism is probably going to come to the forefront here, because that there are some consequences right. We know your very well. The consequences, the I answer would be no political party, science obeys no religious ideology. Science does not would not care less about. Well, do you know what part of the world you live in, what you like for breakfast, etc. There are general

consequences of human create a global warming, as far as we can tell, they are biblical level like book of revelations things like first off whether I love wiggers Skype, whether as a function of climate right. So if the climate changing the weather is changing and because, This is the real world, those chain, these are not like super awesome, unite, convenient or whatever a warmer climate creates this atmosphere that collects retains and drops more water, but in different places, so wet areas are becoming wetter than they should be. You know the year, monsoon season or so on and dry areas are becoming drier. Then should be floods in bed we're dash pretty soon like within your lifetime. There again we be parts of the world that are uninhabitable because of record breaking heat in the Middle EAST, for instance, or in Africa theirs,

not enough of a sea for everybody and some world governments seem to be pretending. There is, but they have to know better whether in climate affect agriculture, food supplies off everybody thought was crazy for those mres, but they last forever by some here There's this concept of climate jeez this. This notion that the part of the world, where you find yourself and could potentially become unlivable, basically the closer the equator that you get the higher the likelihood that your descendants or potentially even you might to move your kids had become climate refugees. As well as yourself as the stuff? Ok, and of escalate, and as we talked about the timeline Moose pretty, quickly when human intervention becomes involved. Sea levels will continue to rise as ice caps mouth so goodbye to some of your favorite vacation spots like like the Maldives or what have you and then there's

you know the issue of wildlife not being able to adapt. We know wildlife, Canada, We know that you know the evolution does occur for changing conditions, but that requires a very long time line. So wild life can adapt quickly enough and it can cause extinction. Events, the human species will, for all intents and purposes, descend into a different kind the war, which is the war for resources, a different kind of war, no they're all resource war is now just shook. None of them, but most of them yeah. I agree I thought you would you would pick up on that point especially map, because we had talked for years about What was it? The third World war will be about water, that jail fills, drew

whether its rising sea levels are just not having enough potable water? It I mean guys we're in one right now at least two things are sort of levelling out, but there was a few weeks or months even where you couldn't get toilet paper. People were losing their minds about it. I mean that's just like sort of an inkling of how bad things could get right. Oh I I actually, I did some research off the son there and I think it? I think I am an explanation for it, which is pretty interest, and also I'm eighty percent shirts, true, it might be, it might be for another day, but I think I think I figured at least the toilet paper? And it's not because there was an enough it's bizarre, but but yet we ve we painted these These problems right, first off to your point, whether its the paper or water, though the in the entire EU

species is just so ready to baulk at each other at any given point about any given thing, it doesn't does in the matter people of the same religion, wage religious wars on each other, because they disagree with the interpretation of one sentence of one chapter of an unimportant part of their favourite book. You know it and maybe have offended people by saying some parts of your favorite book might not be as important as others. But the point is this: he's. Very bad. Human beings are in it. Bad situation were driving headlong over a cliff, an existential cliff and the rest of the living things on earth are so in the back seat of the car with us say where we going. What are we doing it two human beings to find the solution to this problem we have created. What are the solutions will tell you after a word from our sponsor an eye an problems, inspire us to push the world forward. That's why so many people

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and we're back. So yes, in addition to creating tons of problems for every living thing on earth, our human species has also created a couple of solutions. You know we ve been in our writers rule. We get our whiteboard within brainstorming, but first- and this is very important- don't at the various misleading discourses. Full you d, where the people news or the Weird Lake Coke brand. Is found funded documentaries, and don't let any of that fool you. The experts threw out the planet. We're pretty much universally on the same page about global warming and have been for decades, and when I see experts do you mean Do you mean government's new? I do mean academics Alchemy oil

companies like Axon Exxon knew about this. The new global warming was real and the people were doing it way. In nineteen, seventy seven more than like more than a decade before any The US publicly cared about it when and tell anybody Bin Laden. Those who themselves, to what end. Why, wouldn't they tell everybody? Why would they d come scream in this scene? Owed to the to the high Heavens Ban, will be there definitely screaming something tat. A public was a money order. They scream screaming. Ban yeah. Well, the the spend money on the studies. The studies were pretty conclusive. Internal memos confirmed that the executors talked about this and how real it was, and in these and millions over the next few decades, try days trying to fight any legislation, because you see

in global warming would affect the bottom line of the fossil fuel company gathering we actually interviewed Amy Westerfield, who makes I just called drilled. We did at last year and twenty nineteen and we went over in great detail what these companies knew when they learn and if you want to check that are out, please go do it now, but what are the your things to remember here, one of the videos were watching in research, for this was a Stanford University, Professor David Keith, and he was speaking about the nineteen. Sixty four academic papers that were coming out, where their discussing a hey, guys, there seems to be an issue here it just raising their hands. You know interesting, may maybe we should start thinking about ways. We can prevent the earth from warming up too much because it looks like we might be having an effect so yeah

still a jump from sixty four to seventy seven yourself, but soon that's pretty early to be aware of this by everybody, knew it was a real conspiracy. It was not a conspiracy theory. These the same it just like those senators who we're doing insider trading and lumping all their stocks while they were telling people not to worry about the quorum quotes. Called pandemic right. The oil companies were doing the same thing. The point is, we could have had a much much Your head start current salute, The proposed solutions for global warming include things like a car, in tax? This is this is something the NEO people who read the economist, for instance- would really enjoy the gist. Is that you We make countries or companies pay a premium somehow for their king

been emissions or fossil fuels, You can see, of course, how the developing world would say. This is massively unfair. This you know, victimizing the impoverished geopolitically, euro, because it is in terms of development. It's it's not a perfect pollution and also euro companies and entities that are at the top the ones that rule the rest. Dont tend to pay. Axes anyway, not really yeah. The other major issue here is that other actions have to be taken rather than just you know me. Terry Incentive a incentivize, ing and paying like having to pay more money if you're going to essentially put carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, because now its inevitable,

warming is going to happen and it has been for quite a while. Now we have to find ways to actually is like call it down or prevent the warming or get stuff out of the atmosphere. We have to go. More drastic measures now and then are not easy. Yeah? We ve been incentivize in alternative energy right and one thing is interesting. The world is required. Green right now, because people are flying less their travelling less there, we are producing fewer things. This is actually a record breaking year for alternative energy in a couple of places in Western Europe like there are a couple of countries that have gone completely free from coal or have drastically reduce their usage of it, but to your point, met even taxing people for fossil fuels even

you're, making a cheaper for them to use solar, geothermal, hydroelectric energy that still not enough, and so the question is what, if we tried nothing else because there's another answer here. Just just maybe just maybe remember those epic giant volcanic, Russians what? If what? If we could just ordered you to do that? Here's where it gets crazy. Yeah, all the reason why we would want to do. That is because it actually has a cooling effect. A measurable cooling affect anytime A giant volcano explodes so mimicking there there we're talking about here. It's it's a thing. It's real. It's a proposed solution or part of a proposed solution to global climate change and its called stress. Fearing irrational injection oh boy. It certainly will

let's say at this point, it is a theoretical solution, but it is a. It is a GEO engineering technique that could possibly happen in the near future and away to combat manmade, temperature rise on planet earth right, like GEO Engineering, a sort of a blanket term for things like that, could include everything from clouds eating with this notion of you know at changing the weather through science, this is just one of of numerous sad techniques and technology. Some more theoretical than others. This one does seem to be mean up something that could absolutely be impulse and so GEO Engineering in terms of, like you, know, cooling, the earth's temperatures to kind of big paths that that legal down the first would be this concept of sucking up all of the kind of scare scattered seo to power, causing greenhouse gases that are already in the atmosphere, sort of hoovering them up

and then the second would be solar radiation management. I e affecting the way. The sun's rays interact with the atmosphere and that absolutely where, as I comes in an essay, I stands for staff it is feared aerosol injection. The not the Euro cash is the terms it sounds a little technical and it should because it is but it's pretty wild. Ok, are we talking about impersonating volcanoes, yes kind of but the. Why walk with us here? You know, let us finish the pitch. What have we a of balloons right or airships, were drones or planes, or you know what missiles, why not artillery and we just aunt em up in the stratosphere to release sulphates into the air. To the point bout ploughed seeding. This is something this is

is similar to the stuff that Government of China and the government of the United States, as well as the government of the United Kingdom, have all done in the past with clouds seeding, you disperse I believe, its silver I died and the idea is that it will attract. Moisture droplets shoe can form cloud a cloud seedlings all about forming clouds. Organ energy is all about busting clouds. You can check out both of those episodes for more information, but we would we would be doing this autumn. Larger scale, and a much higher scale. Yeah literally literally tee. What yours, earlier. Matt, volcano do this. Naturally, when they erupt leash tons of aerosol particles in the air and they create something that is known as global dimming, the pot goals released by volcanoes. If the volcano is large enough for a time,

they run a sort of scrimmage line. A filter between the earth's surface and the sun. They were the amount of light and heat that enters the atmosphere, so you can see the logic start to form here. Right and acid, I am going to try and mimic this by delivering sulfide gases, the same kind of stuff, sulphur dioxide, hydrogen, sulfide, sulphuric acid weigh up. There we're talking of around sixty thousand feet into the air lets them this fear and stratosphere, and we currently don't I worry in its arguments, but there's no. A good way to do that at sixty doesn't feel right now we'll get into that. But the research shows that if we could do this effectively and enough, this would or could at least count changes to temperature This temperatures in the oceans changed the water temperature.

To a place where animals could live. You know instead of just die with the ocean, acidification and all the other things that are happening every here's. The other thing too, It's not like this would be a crazy, slow process. You should all this stuff up into the sky sphere, and then you gonna, wait and wait and wait? No, it would happen pretty quickly if we didn't write so you're saying we shed pomp selfish Rick ass it up into the sky. That was I'm. So I'm getting here, yeah, not not you like the! U you Emily, you of sight answer. Whoever sameness at sounds. That sounds like there could be some issues, we're gonna blot out the sun. No, So why have we done it right that the question? Why haven't you know? I don't know about you guys, I'm sold. Why have we just shot a time of sulphur?

dioxide. As to hydrogen sulfide sulphuric acid into the sky I mean, God knows we are putting our planes pollution, as it is what's a little more. Let's ants, that question, because spoiler it turns out there are some issues with strategy, York, aerosol injection and will explore them. After a word from our sponsors worker from covered schools, Aristotle, New John, with everything we have going on right. Now. It's never been more important to sleep. We need quality, It is a natural immune boost and only the sweet number three sixty smarter, centred your movements and automatically just confidence appoint on both sides, you're sweet number setting. So all those other things going to stay healthy and happy well, they work better job now during lowest price of the season queen sleep number three sixty C4 sport, that is only twelve nineteen, say port at all. It's only for a limited time to learn more go to sleep number, dot, com,

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pretty low tech. Ultimately I mean you know it involves. Planes are drones or balloons or airships, or would have you, but it's stuff that we already have, and then we could even use artillery. We could actually fire these chemicals up into the atmosphere Chemicals are super easy to obtain. So that's that's not really an issue at all, I saw some I mean it's Zenos like this has been like. You know, spread sheeted out exactly at, but I saw somewhere would be only be in the handful of billions of dollars, not like the trillion see. Now I would definitely be costly. In terms of like you know, you are I money, but in terms of government big brother money kind of a drop in the bucket. Well, so, ok maybe maybe my understanding, as is off here. The way I've been thinking about from some of the writing was that it would take years. Right now as a right. Now it would take years.

To engineer a plain that would be needed to to make these like too? M trail style, see this stuff out there into the atmosphere because of the the attitude that the the planes would have her. The jets would have to operate at and cause you're. A major city is around sixty thousand feet is where you need to put the stuff of these chemicals. And then you would have to make a constant runs. Basically, oh yeah, you would have a fleet of planes that are just going up there. I don't know the exact frequency, but, let's say just forsake of argument. Every day the end, they also had to carry enough of a payload at sixty thousand feet to actually make it worth

trip? What I mean I don't mean to imply that it would be LE yes, we're ready to roll with this yesterday, but I mean the basis of the technology exists. Do it obviously require some retrofitting to eat? You know it. Do you end up with some kind, a hybrid vehicles somewhere between a regular plain and like a spacecraft? Does he really would need to have some of those protections be able to go to that attitude, but the chemicals are available, the technology, the basis of that we don't have to reinvent the wheel. We gonna kind of have to improve it a little bit to make it happen. One thing there is this nothing where beloved to hear from you conspiracy realise this science here is looking pretty sound, but we as global community, we ass, a species are what in the brainstorming phase? So if you have any idea about how this would about how best to

deliver this if you're in favor of it, which not everybody is let us know, you know it is up conspiracy at Iheartradio, DOT, com or any of the various ways you want to find us. You know our facebook page. We'll probably blow up was weird threads about this year. You know you're, u both right here, it's it's, not stupor, expensive, detect, I'll do exist. It needs tweaking because, for instance, you're one, the first things I thought about was what about recoverable icy beams, intercontinental ballistic missiles. Some of the can go, could function high enough, but don't have ITALY Sam aware they don't have the ceding kind of apparatus right. They can't really be the crop dusters for the stratosphere that we need. So it's late we do have all the technology, but we don't have it all. In the then the one thing we need right. We have some stuff, they can do task

we have some stuff. They can do task b. We need something that can just do the alphabet of the task in a one stop shop. When you add to your point, no, we we can make or obtain the chemicals, this is so way reminds me of the Mr Shoe sketch about blow yet the moon, because they figured out they could do it happens, and we we figured out. We could do it, but here's the problem. We know that, theoretically, we really to be able to do this. The technology there, we just need to get the perfect remix. We have to ask ourselves how efficient will it be? What will the efficacy b Will this actually work? And this is a big sticking point something we talked a lot- but about in the corset These episode, those chemicals

so too in all its the rest of its entourage, their short lived and that's a good thing for the bulk of human history, because That's that's the reason that a volcanic eruption, even a massive one, does it put us the game forever. That's the reason why we're not living in some horrible a different kind of horror situation in the area chemicals there can B, where we really need them to be, for a couple weeks, maybe one or two months, and we would have be in that's. If we're a hundred percent certain that the poor goals are the right size. That makes a huge difference It's also why we would have to institute a pro so like that number, eighty billion, is kind of aid. Is kind of a watermark. We here a get started right as it gets.

Started number. I just want to say for the record Jeff basis if you're listening, I see that now. As of me, 18th, two, twenty twenty, your network, is over an estimated one hundred and forty billion dollars call this kind of saving bond villain working for good project, billion dollars. Then that means you Jeff alone, can the seven times? Do you can you can to save the world in this way seven times, but here's the thing Among many things and sticky parts of this whole concept it would require lake global consensus right. Like I mean it, would it would ever there to do it in a way that benefited everyone in like a single, unilateral kind of like Ino implementation of this, it would require the car U n level, cooperation that we just don't really, typically c and

So again, this is. This is very new now mean that supernova like new in the scale of civilization new, acknowledging concept I've read. There's a lot of varying opinions about this and within that I've read, is that it wouldn't be a one size fits all for all regions like there would be potentially regions that would not benefit from this and they could be actually harmed by this and could harm agriculture in certain regions been. This thing could liking to benefit you know, research, certain areas of the country, and then there are other areas that it could actually harm in terms of like their normal. You know levels of agricultural output and then it could really We now have a ever of negative effect on that. Have you guys seen anything about about these? These issues yet for sure, and the american meter meteorological society put out a book statement in twenty third teen. Yes, twenty thirteen were they

talked about some of these issues, and you know it. Similarly to other major, the problems that are out there, basically were saying hey. We need more research on all of this stuff. The potential for everything we need study, historical, ethical, legal and social implications that this year, GEO Engineering could have across the planet different places He too develop and analyze, policy options, so basically it's it's. The same thing we ve seen time, I'm again for decades now, when it comes to hard problems like like climate change, in its everybody doesn't want to deal with it while they are in office, what it feels like to me I mean the mere meteorological society is corrected. We need way more research. We need way more information on this before we act, but if we do, act soon in some major way. What are we

it's already too late. Just it's a tough thing a just lasting hears David David Keith. I got it wrong. I said I think I said he was with Stanford. He spoke at Stanford he's from the University of Calgary. That's that's my bad sorry about that. Professor Keith yeah he's gotta he's got a great, rate lecture on this runs little more than an hour, but if you're interested in it, he he go through the different angles, he's really spent so some time on the cognitive rude with this. When I do want to mention two that, like many more brewer level changes. Mobile proposed changes first off. Yes, obviously, as you know, longtime listeners, human being cannot agree on anything and the greater good is a very dangerous subjective, Qaeda Roar, Shack, inkblot

So we know we know that humans probably won't cooperate. I think to your point: Matt its especially instructive to look back over you know the weakness of the market You know- and I am not arguing for authoritarianism- were fascism or whatever I will point out that we ve, seen time and time again. You know. People who were elected for to fall six years, ten to focus on that will show results within two four to six years: you're, not going If you're, if you're president asking someone to to sacrifice. Literally anything about their life because it'll be better in five years you prob, we not gonna get reelected in. It doesn't really doesn't matter what you believe. How around you are people are like hey buddy. I elected you for two. Four to six.

Years, and that is the metric upon which you are being graded, weeds you know as whom We just socket this kind of stuff, so I don't even think it's corporations net certainly being insidious, we're just very it's the tragedy of the car and right were very, very bad at wreck allowing other people to exist whether there are people who are alive at the same time as us, whether there who who inherit the earth we leave behind, and that's like that that goes across the board, I'm sorry there's not a person alive. Does that problem. That is the solution, then, that we, is this solution, then some kind of world government, some kind, a guy that says hey, look. We know that this is going to hurt people in parts of the world. Europe specifically, we know this is going to hurt some very disadvantaged people who don't have the infrastructure, where the technology to deal with them

in that we would be creating. We would be creating this. We know that volcanic eruptions like volcanic eruptions linked to famine in the nineteen nineteen. Because of that global dimming, the crops don't grow, and this is he's gonna exacerbate the horrific live conditions for some people who are already living in dire straits. Right now, without without any essay I and volcanic. Russians, Euro Lee, being to famine are just are just one example of the deleterious side effects would occur. You know The thing about this is where essentially were shooting stuff into the atmosphere and that stuff benefits very tiny is still at the wheel. Of gravity. That means that these parties, depending on how they are distributed or dispersed, could return to earth's surface

and if they do, they can worse in existing measures what conditions they can If you have asthma, you watch stay away from these chemicals. But imagine They just start raining down on you, and then you know it's all about placement could be good for us for a little while if we get the right size particles in the right place, but we put him in the wrong place like if we put them in the is stratospheric clouds, the earth's poles. They could do. Which the ozone layer which does euro, which has been having a hard time lately in general, and not to mention that it could potentially reduce. Global rainfall, how in the world, especially in the summer when you ve got these monsoon seasons, there's some pretty solid scientific evidence that links volcanic eruption too famine in Ethiopia, the ninety, so maybe The best mooted me now

approximately effects of tons of volcanic explosions, cuz, who knows what the side effects could be it. It really does feel like you know the way things are kind of fast track through like FDA approval and then all of a sudden, we realize what the side effects are once it's actually out there in the world and it's kind of hard to put those badgers back in those those bags. So I don't know it's it's I always am concerned with, should give it a try, just shoot up there and see what happens in our I died. I feel like there definitely be more research. What we need is a giant vacuum that just sex all this year to upper needs to be. Ionized pole of some sorts does attacks, to a plain data like sixty days, a fiend just gets all this year to me like a shot back whoop. Never my second turn from the office. Never my dear remember,

and you know- you can't deny that this essay I or any of its GEO engineering stuff- is really just a band aid and has just kind of a quick fix so that we don't have to think on a longer time line, which you know, governments and corporate? Well, governments, specifically Ben to your point, have proven pretty incapable of doing. I mean even the current situation we find ourselves in with covert nineteen. We see the government just kind of like ringing their hands and pulling their hair out with even attempting to think about things more than two weeks out in the future. I mean it just seems you know absolutely mind boggling to think about something on as long a time line as climate change requires an and that's why you start getting. You know this rhetoric around the idea that it's not real in some kind of hoax, and it really is just kind of an excuse to not do anything about it, and that is exactly what this technology would be as an excuse to not do anything about it like like a phrase here

It's a new space age way of kicking the can down the road, so it's interesting to because we're tell you is that despite all of the people who have been Poohpooh, the idea of Kim trails or said you know, I am a sceptic came trail. You got exist this our but sect. Episode in a few months proving that things like. Can whales are very much on the enough and of the mind of this sort of certain areas of the scientific community. This is, I can trail proposal, essentially at the Euro, Matt I cannot read your mind because we are according virtually here, but I do. I was

thinking a view during the research for this- and I have to ask you- does this- sound just a little bit like what humans did in the air. I battle that that lay prison. Aids the events of the matrix. They block the sun. Yes, it sounds exactly like that, in fact, in that They brought out the sun because all the machines, you, solar energy right, that's the whole concept of there and in our case words trying to blood out the sun to make it a little is hot. Just a little bit the ever when they do that in the matrix dont the machines adapt and figure out how to like harvest energy from like human spines brains. Yes, come the batteries? Isn't it just like a band aid that creates a much much worse situation, not to put too fine a point on it? Now as large as an impact that movie had on me

just a movie guys plight those like maybe a bad cold Because it made most of the surface of the earth uninhabitable to humans. If, because you got it, hand, essentially I'm imagining Orwell, no, In the movie, it was an extreme case right where they actually wanted to do all the giant volcano explosions tube the sun and in our case, were trying to do a moderate number of. Volcanic explosions control over time through aerosol injection- So really guys, there's nothing to worry about we're fine. We should just do it. Why not Do you know what I mean you pick a right, let's hop on the bomb and doktor strange love it put down into down in fame guys? If, if I may just do a little sarcasm alert here, sarcasm alert. Please do not read the things been and matches set as their as them speaking their hearts. That is correct

but there is also a will to an extent at least but there's also like guinea. There seems like there could be something here. We just don't know enough. Yet I would say in my gut says it feels like a bad idea, but we have to do something, and maybe this is one way to at least attempt to tackle the problem, it gives us a little more time to figure out an act. Or solution. They have it. I mean that That's why we used the phrase bandaid so often right idea is that the euro is often please go well, which thing ever do. We will he able to fix something we'll, be able to find a permanent solution, or at least if our our species in life on earth here a chance to

move beyond this planet into the stars which is or a different dimensions, etc, but moving into the stars is ultimately the goal of life on earth right. That's what we ve been kind of work for that are big next season if we survive. One note on this. Experts believe that, if we do, ACT is stratospheric, aerosol injections. It will affect the color the sky was dark in it. The way that these means in the matrix did it. Work actually lead to something called sky. Whitening sunsets will be more colorful you will it'll be the kind of change that you can walk outside and notice, so what you're? One of the questions I think a lot of people are wondering is: is this already happening? Good news? maybe not yet. We will probably know whether this is the case if it was because there would be visible changes, it would have to to Nepal

we made a couple times? They would have to be an all at once. Situation will have to be global right leg you can do city in the way that Uncle SAM did in South EAST Asia and you could create regional floods, but if you tried to practice as a in one region of the world, it probably wouldn't do much if it did something, it wouldn't be very helpful right. As so. That's the even bigger question should we do this? I would. I would propose to you this ban because of the amount of scientific research, swim. Going into this. The number of articles scholarly articles you can find on this subject. There are several beak because there are several start ups. They tech start ups that are trying to come up with a way for this to be able to happen, at least starting from the United States and then moving outward. It feel

like maybe there are some tests going on or some tech being developed in the background like for those playing for instance, that we are talking about the ones I have to go to very high altitude. I would suspected there's testing going on now, but that the actual full on spraying is not happening for sure. So what do you think? Should this happen at a full scale? Knowing that we will? You know if, if Earth somehow agrees to do this. We make this a priority, we agree. Did we ok the almost billion of us are going to collectively impersonal, volcanoes and to do it. You know like every couple of months just to give us some more time did not destroy ourselves We know that we are going to be killing. Many People along the way we're just not can be killing. Everybody is that the right thing to do is

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