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person or a couple is in a remote rural parts of the world, usually at night, and they see he's something strange in the sky. They may even experience a loss of time. Electronics, may function in an anomalous way and days weeks month sore in some cases. Years later, they begin to recall a dish. details of that experience of that lost time and all too often They have no hard proof of what they believe have. other then of course the certitude that some strange occurred? This is very similar to the Borneo, Betty Hill story that we covered very So we do that that thing just described. That's exactly it. An airline and wasn't that in fact, kind of the sort of genesis of that troop that sorry we're

talking about the subject of the strange arrivals, podcast, really kind of created. So many of these repeating images that we think of today media, especially your last at least exactly in the U S and because it originated nineteen sixty one- or at least that's when deciding was said to have heard? So today's question is what does it mean when a single person or not a couple, but instead multiple people appear to report same experience, not just the same emotive experience. Not you know not a hundred people saying I was scared, but people say I saw something it looked like This what happens when their descriptions match timeline matches up as well. We, be able to find the answer to this question in of all places for

Strong rural Massachusetts here are the facts, unless you live somewhere in Massachusetts or in the Northeast United States. You probably have never heard of Berkshire or Berkshire County Massachusetts. It's on the far western side of state, and it is very very far from like a large city like Boston, it's it's and in this is in the sticks, shall we say a bit? a bit of the sticks. Unifil part of this text, then, who, to my understanding, oh yeah, it's incredible there and This area Berkshire County its home to a number of small towns, one of the most him porn and prominent we're gonna talk about today is great Barrington, and this is just just. Side no ear This is one of those names that is kind of like a little John name, I'd

don't think you should never have great in a city name because its it's like doing it. It's like doing it prompt and then having won your character, attributes be funny. You know what I mean it sets expectations. High Barrington is a great place indeed, but it's not great place in terms of population, it's pretty small and again another troop that we see in a lot of these narratives. You know this is this county or this. What was a county is, is in those places where most people in town know each other or no of each other. In these small towns, the protagonist of our worry that were just about to meet ease is an outsider, is We either considered outsiders because the

We have a long period of ancestry in these towns and that something will be familiar to anybody from New England. That kind of I would say my old xenophobia. Not only do they not have along lineage of family history in this part of the country, and I believe they had recently moved from New York City, so they were almost fish out of water type situations, united, adapting to small town life they exactly from queens, yes, Just a note, your great Barrington has been around for a long time as a town and As of just to give you a sense of- small. It is as of two thousand and ten, the since its bureau reported that there were just over seven thousand people that lived in that town and like many small town there are further away from metro areas,

community doesn't seem set for explosive population growth or anything. It's been this way for a long time since about the seventeen hundreds, what it was one of the I believe, the original fourteen colonies Massachusetts anyway, fast forward, hundreds of years September, first, one thousand nine hundred and sixty nine there's a kid named Tom Reed riding in a car late at night. His mother, is driving grandma, writing, shot gun and is other brother mats is sitting in the back of the car within these kids. Probably a little bit tired, because it's late at night, they V Ger they're just heading home from their diner, which is called village on the green, their vehicle. A state and wagging crossing the Sheffield Bridge when something went wrong and

doubly fastening thing by the story is that we have so many first hand. Accounts of of what of these encounters this is the one from Red himself, as he told in a recent episode of the rebooted unsolved mysteries, conceal Netflix, I was giving my brother fireball a little fireball candy, my grandma There are turned around to see some lights coming up. What looked like from behind the bridge or trees? We all looked at it. it was kind of a self contained glow. It rose up a little bit and looked like it followed. The dirt road which are sure it probably didn't, but it appeared that way because we can see it through the trees. The light started to bleed through we broke into a bit of a clearing. We could see the car. It was dark, so the light was flooding inside the car and then that's when red remember seeing what he described as a white sphere.

And his mother also recalls in described it as a disk shaped objects. And they estimated it was about a hundred yards long. This thing At least a hundred yards yonder justice, a little bit of credit thinking there we do have to know these are not trained pilots or anything like that. Not soon, we don't believe them were there not giving a sincere estimate, but it is, it is difficult to estimate the trousseau something when you don't know the distance and you dont, you don't know how far away you are. You don't know how high up it is. The. Core lights up with this. The AIDS, like the lights, envelops consumers the car. This doesn't feel like the typical Light

you see shiny on Matt and all myself right now, there's something energetic almost palpable about it, and then the family, recalls an eerie silence followed by a crescendo wind, sorceress, an eruption of wild life, noises cicadas cricket. So on an right that happens. According to Tom, recollection. They see in Burke Lou, on both sides of the road and wake up three where's later here, Ray says, we'll go back to reads words here. He says that was the last thing we really remembered from the station wagon. It came to a stop off the right. Side of the road everything got really call. It was he says. Being in the middle of a hurricane, there was like a barometric change in pressure. It was just a dead silence.

Then there was an eruption of crickets and frogs got really loud, and that was it then This is interesting, then we remember bits and pieces of being in, like a hanger other bore there. It was quite confusing when they, when they come to something different first off there, like a mile away from where they blacked out I think it's worth really quickly through other articles about this with that with some more detail about this hangar and he describes it as lake like a walmart situation or, like you know, like a massive sort of indoor football, yield almost with a fluorescent lights, and Really this go into his description is that in this on grunge dot com that he describes. This amber glow emerging on both sides of the road, and then he was

sudden transported to this indoor hangar. There was bigger than a football field. Me says we encountered something. It was deafening. None of this world. We had a black and white television at time, The imagery that we saw on this thing was unbelievable. There were lights and would play for assent to being inside this hangar. This hallway, had seen was circular with a. Why configuration almost to control the flow of traffic, one room had abode in wall. That was rounded. This is not something that you the scene and nineteen sixty nine anywhere else. I have no idea where I was? But I know that what I saw was very different than anything I've seen today. Fifty years later, he talks about being a forest the lie on a table but jump up and running away and he just kind of described these little glimpses of these rooms in then this facility. I guess

and then there were back in the car and two hours. They ve lost time yeah they lost where between two or three hours, more than two as you often see it described by round up. It's three important point, though, about that description: that something that they remember later when they wake up in the car. according to their own accounts when they wake up in the car. They don't know what's happened. They have just lie this time. It is only later that they remember this except science and a hanger and later that other well spoilers. their people start to corroborate, big thing. They notice, though, immediately before they rediscovered these memories of what happened inspire during this missing time is the notice some is amiss with the arrangement of the people in the station wagon. Remember picture in your head. Folks, mom is driving, grew mothers in the shock and seat the kids

the back seat now and they come to in their vehicle mom. in the short then see grandmother is in the driver's seat. Is this trick of memory, possibly nineteen nine was a long time ago. However, it doesn't make sense she would be in the driver's seat because the grandmother didn't drive in speaking of tricks memory Ben there's another account that that he has given where he describes. The grandmother went upon coming to the grand other being walking aimlessly outside of the vehicle and them There are being unconscious in the driver's seat. More or the mother, at least being on TK, Jesus somewhere in the car in the ground, mother outside of the and then having to get the grandmother back in the car yeah oh that when, in its it's tough, you know it is tough to get the right narrative because we

seen both accounts. The one I've seen most often is the description of the seat, switching hugger yeah, but you're right, you're right. The paths diverge there So the red family, in these four people are these folks most closely associated with this Berkshires powerful incident or Barrington UFO Incident, but are not the only witnesses alleging they saw something up there in the sky, though local radio station Ws B S back and nineteen sixty nine September first broadcast accounts of this event from from what we know based on witness testimony right or witness stories in accounts. People calling in through the local radio station. I must ve been a great night for radio because you get

you'll get one of these accounts, but then, when you start getting two three four five a dozen, it gets more were difficult to say: oh someone's just the loose, eating or something and its because for a long time, this incident kind of languished in public. Scores in it was something you would learn about. If you talk the folks at move, fought right or if you talk to their you apologists friends till I tell recently unsolved. Stories in the Netflix reboot covered this on an episode of their show. You it's funny, I think. When did this to you a while back then there's a Amazon movie called the vast of night man, it's just wonderful. First, Lloyd's, its view of old story takes place in around this time period like in the sixties, and it has a bride. ass component sea, where there is like a switchboard operator that, like here's, this crazy for we see an calls into this radio station, the kind of report it and then,

I get your camera exactly the way it goes, but no spoilers anyway, but it has a very similar by then. I think that was actually based on the text Burg UFO incident. When and in nineteen sixty five in Pennsylvania by V a lot of similarities thematically and I highly recommend everyone give that movie a shot. It's really cool, I believe. Yes, We agree and I believe we have an episode on the export- or at least we live video. Ok yeah does another great account of something strange like this happening. I just wanted job, if you want to watch this, it ah Netflix, on unsolved mysteries. It's the first season of the new reboot and his titled Berkshires UFO in in this Well, when you check this out, you can hear interviews with Nancy Reed.

Jane Green Tom Warner Melanie a coach door for each of whom or people claiming to have encountered something strange in the sky. You also hear extensive interview sections with Tom and Matt Reed. They would we can maybe get into this after the break, but they ve describe what appears to be a craft, a physical craft or strange series of lights and then, sir, say they remember to some degree being abducted being too in forty time by something and then returned to earth the reason I'm using the air quotes on abducted will become clear. Later. That's not me a jerk, some of the witnesses object to that term soon more What's of bizarre activity, arrive in nearby areas, including Sheffield, their small towns in the vicinity. Even over

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Listen on the Iheart radio up or wherever you get your podcast hey. This whole had passed the vital test, while Zephyr Indiana Jones. Now he ruined everything. Here's where it gets crazy, so he started today's episode with a look at the the quintessential UFO shouldn't trope, which we have to Spock. You know, with the help of Toby Ball to the incident covered in his podcast strange arrivals. What makes this case I think there are a couple of different characteristics, one that there are multiple witnesses. According to the Barrington historical society, there are as many as forty witnesses of varying descriptions, and you know varying credibility. I think

Maybe a better way to say it is are more hesitant to come forward than others, but have examples of them would maybe we can explore some, of those example. Some of the non red examples of that would be great. I think, we're Start with Tom Warner, their Tom by the way Tom Reed. Well th, o em. Why, and Thomas this this time as well, tell em. Tom Warner was child, the time a younger person at the time he describes. a pretty harrowing situation. Maybe we can start like with the beginning until it a bit cinematic the way, It did on unsolved mysteries, just as it tends to lead to a little more drama here but he was at a neighbour's house not too far from where he lived

he was doing some colouring. He was a bit of a young artists and he was a house colouring with crayons. He says, and there were two sisters, these Shaws, and one of them is Jane. Who we get to hear from in the unsolved mysteries episode, and this is the account of what Tom said he experienced and what Jean seems to confirm, at least in part. It was labour day, like we said September first eighteen, sixty nine Tom Who was doing his thing- and he says He walked over to a window and experienced a voice December voice, coming to him, which he calls mental to Levin. Which is a lot like saying ATM machine or then number he, I hear hear that's a whole separate thing that we're gonna have to just take here and put food over to the side

right that doesn't come up in a lot of other occasion, but also also in his defence, he speaking extemporaneous Lee I do want to point out that this unsolved mysteries episode is heavily edit. It it is. It is so We don't know as just the consumers of this episode. What fully was said We do know that he experienced some kind of voice that told him to go home. and he was looking out the window. It said, go home, and recently. The scared him. It would probably freak any of us out experiencing something like that and he told his Debbie Shaw who's, the sister of Jane Shaw that he had to leave so the here's. Here's a quote from him, so I started bowl now the door. I could feel this entered that was inside me. That was like fear from the mental telepathy that I just experienced, and I was running false need- and I remember just feeling like I was flying at this point-

yeah and any it describes like running, but not going anywhere like it's. Almost any ethic is partly the most distant. Same thing, you could ever say to anybody that shares a story, as I am sure you are dreaming, but a lot of these details, do feel nightmarish. Sure, like dream, like the idea of like right, from an inescapable larger than life force and not being able to get away You know I mean but that's it describes. He says they, sleep paralysis, just so, and allegedly Jane Chaw Saul. this God go down, but I'm its interesting to make cuz she's describing seeing something that I hope you really really and he was. like running right here in place. Just content, For about five minutes. He was running in place. You I mean, like yeah it is that, like literally running in place like jogging

was tractor beam being re or like a treadmill. You know as interesting. I'm tryin to picture this will mean just them. That in the council mysteries show they do a recovery, a recreation of this and it's just someone levitating just above the but running furiously as though they you know, don't realize that their stock in one position right just just for the visual image to give you fellows piracy realists. Imagine in so many cartoons win a character begins to run really quickly and just for a second there furiously running in the air, but they're not going anywhere, and then they zip off that's in nets. Of course, that's, not to be dismissive of whites, why Tom is saying here, because another thing that makes a distinct is: we have a name a separate person saying

they saw one he was experiencing, and he also said that he was receiving assurances from this voice in his head that Let him do kind the same way that a veterinarian talks to an animal when they are giving you know about like giving it a shot, her checking it for fleas or something said okay it'll be over in just a minute. related to describe it and think about it. That way, that's that's a perfect way to describe. It enjoys He also has a quantitative aspect. to her to her discreet, she's right because she doesn't it with a beam. She does here any weird voice. She's, just watching very strange stuff happened to her neighbor. Oh yeah, a exact so she just an observer and she describes the she talks about getting hit by like him.

Being in a beam in in a light, some some kind of light surrounding him and this what this is, what Tom says he's he's even as I was running, but I wasn't moving, I turned and a UFO dry, right out of the sky in front of me, this being they were describing came on me and as the law- It was on him. He said that his arm, Scott jerked back to those to the back of him. Basically, if you imagine at the shoulders the arm, your arms being stretched and then behind you as far as they can, and you know that to me just would be uncomfortable in almost as if their force being applied or something to the front of him so that his arms, or going back, where he's being pulled, Then he says my hands jerked back and it's like the air got sucked out of me, and that is and Jane comes through and says she's disk

in this light. The came around him in the next thing. I know she says he disappeared and the onlookers, which would be Jane, Shaw, Debbie, Shaw in assuming seemingly the parents of the Shaw's. If they were present weed, I don't I don't have that information. They could not find Tom. He disappeared and from the span of seven minutes or so that's, that's, the quantitative stuff were taken. yeah. She puts a number on this in. She says you oh Tom, says the next thing he knows so she loses a little better time here. It sounds like he is being laid down on the other side of his property. Any he's seems to save kind of gentle like the way you would lay a baby down onto the ground he by the time the he reappears, Jane, says it's been seven.

This is happening again just info. Is this. This is happening around the same time. Releases day that that there Each family is running into an incident on the Sheffield Bridge, but Tom's not the only Tom and gene or not the only people involved. They think we mentioned will be early, Melanie Kurtz Door for her story is pretty interesting to. It is not sponsored by dairy queen. But dairy queen does play role in this story. Yes, Melanie and her sister and mother and father were in the v therein of go and they were at Lake Mansfield wishes roughly two miles from the great Harrington area, and enjoying ice cream. They are just going to hang out at that lake. And get there clean on

and this is what Melanie says my father backed in the parking lot in this bridge. bright, aura came around and the father looked up and said holy and she describes how her father was excited by seeing this thing, and he wanted to just chase it. You want to find out what it was, and I think many of us listening can pride probably identify with that feeling of once we actually get a chance. To see a light in the sky that we can't explain. We very much want to explore it as long as we can. You know I guess until the fear creeps in but though the mother, you know was will say: oh no, it's probably just a shooting star for some reason Melanie under Then it was not a shooting stars and it was not something they should pursue. A father takes off chase it with everybody in the vehicle and milk

describes how she and her sister were shaking back there with their dairy, Queen cones and her sister doesn't seem to remember anything after that moment, but Melanie apparently experience thing, similar to to Tom, at least somewhat similar to Tom some kind of abduction experience again they are really care for the a word when Tom doesn't mean e describes, like a lot of the accounts, is like being blocked were blown uncertain, miss represented, but here describe being taken to a place. and you know sodas Melanie Mellaril money does like there are living in a room. That's what I'm saying there lay is the term abduction, inherently loaded alike, who I guess that's up, for right, yeah, yeah, yeah, total like we'll get to it is a matter of semantics right. Is it splitting hairs, but just then just as so up the

He's not read Non Reed story, your experiences. When he did, as you say, Matt maintain that her sister didn't, remember anything but in interviews. She says she remembered stuff. She just doesn't say whether she hasn't say when she remembered it, which is very important votes, but she says she remembers being on a ship, ah, she remembers being in a room with people who were all young specifically a child, a trade and she would watch them. disappear, one by one and then she says this interesting there's something common with the red account extreme version. She says she woke up and she was at that lake that man just mentioned by herself and she had to walk home and

for the record at the time Melanie Church door. Fur is fourteen years old, let's loop Tom back in time who are just per his account, disappeared in his yard and came back seven minutes later. Tom says he also remembers. I should Ray, I also remember, some sort of destination was taken to and what's more he says, He saw a fourteen year old, Melanie Kurtz door, for on the ship of for her part, and I'm I'm trying not to be done severe, but for her part, she says in this makes me think, they're being sincere nods says she doesn't remember seeing him in this place right but that when they met in soon. I r, as they say she felt an instant connection to him and about an instinct connection. I mean I love Cloud ATLAS as much as the next person thing about it. Instead

an is it cannot be quantified and instinct connection is not evidence. It's not They didn't know each other at the time through it, but without instant connection. The melody describes ta describes remembering her eyes from that from being ownership and connecting somehow with her eyes in remembered that aspect of the whole situation. But this thing about this you ve got three young people who describe fair We similar stories of experiencing light. and then being taken somewhere And then being returned later on, I don't wanna, be a jostlers. Whenever here and puts the thing is: is it not more? Accurate for us to say what we have are three separate people who are rope. Pauline events,

that occurred when they were children in nineteen sixty nine driving. Both, I think both are true. there were calling events aben. Ninety six sixty nine, but there also recalling events that they believe our true. It feels like right, rape and, at the same time did they owe we don't find a cow some of them as children Journal entry from day where they was run down the day other immediately after other hurried. I will hundred percent agree to that. So let's take those young those experiences whatever they were or remembrances of experiences and put them to the side for a moment and jump two totally different account one were is told by Jane Green another witness who experience something while she was on the highway with a friend levelling, I think she was north of Greece, Barrington travelling south towards the town- and she saw something on the highway.

Thomson. Jaynes in the story. The languages good. I did it. I, like I said with the air of its Chinatown JAM as Massachusetts Baby, so the emails. I feel a disturbance in the correspondence worse by there's a really interesting, interesting phenomenon that is probably more suited to break stuff a camera for did on their about the rise and fall generationally of popularity of certain names, and it is sick. Local, so that a story for another great Emily. Yes, Thomas, J, Thomas Matthew, Good Catholic Place like Massachusetts, come on. They're gonna, be everywhere They're gonna be its common. They re so Jane Green differ from Jean Shop. It's just after dark right.

in the sky. The sun has western witches were never get to use and Jane, is with her friends in a vehicle, their travelling from stock bridge to Great Barrington, Cyprus being other town of Massachusetts G sees a bunch of lights ahead and she is to be absolutely fair multiple portrayals. She seems to be the most sceptical of our first hand witten is below yeah she's we're This is a bunch of lies ahead. She makes the assumption there are a lot of us would make, which is cops. Accident or a fire. You know what I mean: that's, where you see a lot roadside lights, maybe construction vote. What do you say that like cops, Oh no slowdown those under my brain would do come up like a fewer

and now we have a LEO's in the in the audience today- law enforcement officers right yeah, sorry where's. My officers, and one thing I think, a lot of none legalised civilians. Lot of L, Ellio's encounter when you, when you see please go with sirens on your first, something. You is the check to make sure that it's not you like now asked by going for windows down that doesn't me everybody's automatically criminal is just a got reaction that were programme to have ensued. She thinks she thinks. Ok, there's something happening down the road and she doesn't think aliens or anything like that, but the lights are so bright. That she has the polo, first can't safely drive and other cars or on the road which is different from London, again stereotype will you have those stories back a cornfield repulse over to Jane,

a friend exit the vehicle to see what's going on. and because we all have that kind of vicarious. More Betty with car accidents, raw rubber neck and what they re right. That's the reason that that's in the traffic jams follow car accidents is not because the road is impaired. It's because everybody has this sort of sick inclination to slow down and watch yeah yeah. I think here you'll have the I wanna I want to look at one detail here, just We move forward. I think we have all had to succeed where you're driving either a pretty early in the morning or as dusk, is occurring were just as the sun is setting the sun is at an angle in your having on a road, that's probably Easter, its EAST or west. Definitely where the sun just appears to be- directly in your field of view, its size in Atlanta,

there are several streets where it happens. To me a lot in I'm just this is the only thing I can imagine where there is so much bright light. Entering the windshield that you are unable to continue driving where you have to drive so slowly and attempts to cover in some to continue on safely. To me on the interstate. Sometimes, when traffic is crazy- and I like that- I don't know what to do. I do I pull over like. Isn't it's not gonna go with a bitter tears power through it. Or do I wait for the position of the sun to move? It is you're right. It's debilitating and it's very scary, would just imagine that amount of light the equivalent of that amount of light occurring at night here and still being in force, of your vehicle, where you can't you can't continuing, you feel like continue on we don't have any information about Jane Greens eyesight

or like well, whether or not she can drive whither without corrective lends is or how light may affect perverse and because it does affect our vision, and we other's individually at night, but still Just trying to imagine that in there and then imagining that there is that other person or vehicle full of people in front of her that experienced the same thing. That's very, very important here. and we have, we actually have a quote from Jane Green from an unsolved mysteries episode. This huge arms floated right there and I couldn't see the end of it from the right or from the left. It was immense and most of all, there was no noise that show that tracks right with the other account de I dislike com before like being in the eye of the hurricane or whatever, wherever just takes on this area com back to the court There was no motor. There was nothing. It was just there

Lights were coming and I just looked at it and within a period of seconds it lifted up where this way lifted up again and went over the mountain and she's, she's using your hands to describe in that quite that it just it went it would ve Clearly then horizontally forbid than vertically again I I want to hear from the account of the person who is driving in front of Jane, Green and her friend, because if there is, if that person, if that, it is a witness and has a voice a similar story, then, my goodness. it would make me believe it a whole lot more if it wasn't for Jane Greens statements about what you said been her ITALY, self identity station as a non believer at the time. Yet going back. Who my earlier point about some witnesses being more reticent to reach their stories or to go on those sorts of programmes then solve mysteries, we

No well saw something and decided not reported if those people were there and to your point, Matt, what's resting about Jane is she does describe herself as a sceptic flying saucers are bologna, a lot of people say lake alot of people in this area, of the country, seemed to say Bologna, pretty frequently the radio friendly version of bs so any help. This is changed her mind. This sum can't explain sheet her spouse and he says you know, go go The radio station W S, p S finds a guide him Tom re he's the director of the radio station at the time in nineteen sixty nine sheet, soon. He starts to laugh and says Ok, why even drinking has been time went on you get space drop.

And which is more than just made up so says you know. Well, ok, calm down, it's probably swamp gas, which is of course well aware of the F o version of its probably the wind dash Amazon a dream. I used to reword up magazine cited above its buy up, but she she six her guns. We don't know what the other people in this cars may have seen, and if the lights were so bright I urge that someone could not drive then other. people would have noticed it either they were in their homes near the road. You know what I mean: that's right in This is really important that she went to the radio station to tell someone no matter what the reaction was. She was you know, should be an account of that there, could be records. we can look at and war

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green, went to the director because she was familiar with it. but other people were just calling in on fortunately, no audio recordings of those calls exists today. and it also seems that some of these witnesses we explored for just there some. Those forty witnesses came forward later after hearing about reports from re or someone else. Additionally. if you look at local law enforcement thereof, good show, this was a quiet night. Even for a quiet town. There are two incidents on the books for that evening, one he's good news, there was woman who was reported missing and she was later found that day September, first, nineteen sixty nine in stock bridge and there was a guy who called the cops to complain about mysterious people. In beer cans and trash is yard.

calling about dumpster problem about littering with those two reports you with I think that a massive object, sky, displaying bright lights, altering the behaviour of wild life detaining people and so on would also be something that local law enforcement wrote down in their log of the evening if they took it seriously, but they do have a or of a woman who went missing and was found just like those kids like Tom, went missing for about seven, its and then he came back There are no very good boy, another another distinction that often reported in this case as a as of lending credibility to leave. This is our experiences as their often called. Is this Tom Reed is kind of protagonist in the story he took a polygraph test and he passed

what we mean. What we say passed it is that the person administering the polygraph test felt that he was giving truthful answers to those questions doesn't proof that he saw stuff. But it proves that he believes it like it he's not lying unless, of course, he's gay mean they polygraph tests, because it is far from a solid diagnostic tool. It's kind of ridiculous that is still used as often as it it's it's funny how the whole polygraph test concept really is just a series of traps. To try and get somebody to confess to something by making them think they you oh that they're lying colluding there, the new chair mechanisms, because, like their clinching of the book, in tightening of the king, oh yeah, there's there's all kinds of ways to try and be this thing and then all new ways to try and beat the beating of it. It's a fascinating thing. This

I'll. Take my polygraph, but I'll only do a standing season get away and get away with it. Thumbtack in your shoe and then Jackson flexing your cakes relaxing the kegs value the old holding in the p joscelyn the Apostle legs in the cakes. That's the take away, but like its, we talked about the possibility of polygraph a lot like over the years on the show is it is. You know like it's, not in fully admissible right like him in a courtroom situation or is it it's considered kind of a little bit dubious right, yeah really shouldn't be because it's because is far from full right, and there are still organizations, of course, that requires part of a background investigation, the administration of a polygraph tests, but that, I would argue, is sort of me. A legacy anything or it's a framework for people who are very proficient in two

gaiters to use like that. The people in out of investigations of background checks. The people who are using a polygraph tests are usually can be good enough at discerning folks, who intentions motivations of believes that they probably we need a neat little gadget on the side, Bacon Prob, just called red the crap out of you. But you know Mason official their needles such an and stuff correct me. If I'm wrong, was it an episode, wire, where they do a thing with the copier. They a guy over by. The writer Emily convincingly lie detector, they make copies of different things in the teacher. Writes that might feel warfare. Its psychological influences really is yes dear yeah, like an eager, but the shots fired. I guess what the look eight

here. There are very important things. This rail, along with their very important things we have to clarify when we asked What may or may not have happened. First, the he'd brothers, wave leave seen ufos before this time and is something that the unsolved. Mysteries episode in particular, does not cover. In fact they believe this was the third dancing UFO. They said they had four encounters total one and nineteen thousand six hundred and sixty one and one thousand nine hundred and sixty seven, the famous one thousand nine hundred and sixty instead with mother and grandmother, and then a fourth exe Inspire met, Reed alone in truth nine in Indiana, but no you raised an interesting point that affair that the story of the family in Ufos may start before. Nineteen sixty six yeah its interest in the

red family, ass, sort of a history of UFO sightings back and nineteen. Fifty four Nancy and Howard, who were the the parents of the red Kid the pan and experts in view of their own Nancy was fifteen she and her mother and her brother and her brothers girlfriend had rented cabin at a place called Moosehead Lake in Massachusetts. And they will in the middle of the night. To a strange light situation and they claim to have seen squat pudgy fee years standing in the room were king them in silence and she- and this really does sound like a sleep around situation, Nancy claims that she was unable to move, but could feed her body moving as though it was being moved by some force. Some force was moving her legs

and then all of this kind of faded when the sun came up, but she felt I afterwards, and you know and then the sun's pad in an experience like I think, five or six years but for the most famous one in the car where they see these, like orbs of light, come into their bedroom, interesting legs. What we do know who talked about the fellow Letty of Memory- and you know the idea, of man and planting herself with memories or whatever, but that certainly something that we know can happen, but it in This is like generational thing within this family. Like Does that mean it's more credible orders mean if less like. Is this something that may be mom tone the kids about growing up and it was just part of their world and it was like something they wanted to be a part of, and you know, protein up further trouble.

Errors in the audience. It may mean that this family is targeted for one reason or another because of their dna or for some other reason that we just don't know, but for we're skeptical. It would mean a completely different thing: yeah yeah! That's what I've seen off air before we start rolling on this. That's the thing that gets me there's a roar, Shack inkblot too this kind of thing, and I am glad that you guys are bringing this up on air and it didn't. It didn't just die, never behind his deeds, governance issues because we're. I see that as a common thread, and we already have, I would argue, a psychologist- he say. Perhaps the mother was knowingly or unknowingly, manipulating people I also believe I can replace it the voice are rolling, but I also believe that it's it's woefully unhelpful to try to ascribe tension or motivation to these folks without studying, right, like if you haven't met

If you haven't met Nancy Red, then you really it's unfair to her and to her family to say that she's tilting the scale, but it's also unfair to ourselves not to adopt. That is a possibility so again yet It's kind of an eye. The holder thing the this, in part here. Is that the second clarification he's the Tom read in particular feels story has been massively sensationalize and perhaps experience has therefore been exploited or cheapened. He described It's pretty shady editing process, that's familiar to any of us who have worked it all in the world of reality. Television were checked out. Our episode on that may be frank and biting. Maybe he says something completely euro complete valid. Sincere than is taken out of context, and they ve got some really like weekly world news. Ask veto

ending it. You know he particularly like he's appeared on a number of different shows he's been on Sunday, paranormal paparazzi, which I haven't, seen alien mysteries and says that these producers, these companies, promised to take his story seriously. A tree with respect before they went on air and the exaggerated everything at once. those one of those big things that he objected, specifically, was terminology- the use of the word abductions he said He never use that word and he makes a good point because he feels it unfair, the characterizes his family. He says you know we are credible. Nor accounts were not a bunch of raving lunatics lunacy,

By the way, animal logically is interesting. It mean and walk taking long walks under the moon re or the idea of the moon like being a source of madness or something rain is very just knowing that they will. We can have a leading to a little earlier like is this just an issue of semantics, but it's true when ear when you're doing sort of a loaded type. You a bow sort of leg gab, sensationalize story yeah. for around terms like abduction and Shannon and all that kind of stuff- and it doesn't necessarily mean the themselves are loaded, but it's all about like the context and the way the stories portrayed and I think that's what he took issue. It was the editing and like the way it was sort of characterized, but on a show called you, a foe, paparazzi any. What do you think is going to happen? Does problem here I mean it's- some between incredibly dismissive and disrespectful. You know what I mean

adding in some crazy move, sound effects or something cheapens, but No malign the mode my friend dont and I have to say that the misuse tonight I agree- and I was telling you you guys off ere- I listen to a podcast called lights out the discuss the story and most of it, Susan was well done, and I was able to check out in most of the stories and they they tied to sources that I read and though we discuss, but there was this whole account of like he's alien beings in the Walmart be no hangar situation with, like almond shaped heads, unlike limbs like bamboo, unlike mushroom colors in, and I invite accounts of that anywhere leg. It certainly I dont believe was anything that Red spoke of so that fell some real stylin, an ape creators of that show. If, if you hear that

I'd love to take care. Your sources could certainly wasn't cited, and I Google, the hell out of it and couldn't find any mention of these things style it on him the idea of credibility and legitimacy is- is crucial. here. It is fundamentally important because this is a controversial account of an experience right there, there is good news the true believers, it's a relatively small piece of good news, but it gives an air of legitimacy in twenty fifty in the south he hit a milestone, the local historical society. great Barrington, historical society decided they would recognize this incident as a quote official historical events, the director of society. One Debbie Oppermint said quote its significantly historic event, be cause check. This part out because it's an event,

that was important to many people in South County at the time, which is a real convert, replace her for that Berkshire County area. So they're, not we believe aliens, real they're, saying in the story of our community. This is a big event, because a lot of people were involved. You know what I mean yeah, but then the plaque red- in a way that surely seems to offer Belief in our legitimacy did to the accounts right, but it's also over the top. It I'll just remedies as the Black reads the official induction of our nations first off world, you F, O incident elsewhere flash you have clearly sort of men to be like a tourist draw perhaps rightly roadside at oddity, and it's not like they've, never heard of the Roswell.

Sure that's. It gives a mighty other things. Like some of these events came big news. Even Barney Hill is this sort of like a best cup of coffee in town situation. In our later Nick, you really quantify something. That's that object subject a rather your will that old uncle to Blue joke lake. The the fourth best country bear in Missouri or something inside. In said what I like it- but this was you know this Wasn'T- this was met with the universal excitement from the community right lie. It was definitely controversial and folks dinner, Tagged, vandalized it and then recently last year in June, on June, the fourth it was removed and I've seen Reed commenting on this and he actually petition the city to not do that as he he be found it to be

Jim. His story and his family's legacy you or whatever right to to give us some historical haft, but I did feel to me a little more like a bit of an opportunistic move on the cities, part her ear it's so their official reasoning- and some of this is probably continuing through courts. It's been slowed because the pandemic, their official reasoning, is that it was a property. This like, where can the monument be legally located, wish also Tom Reed is one of those private supporters who raised money to build this oblast gets novelist of course, I like those elections yeah, I think, if I work stranger driving through this town. For the first time, I'm yet up, and look at that. You know two hundred percent, think of em off man. Statue come on guys back east.

dick has six pack Frazier. Its collaboration back home, I was liberation as part of that sculpture and made me feel things every vote before you guys the less list really quickly over run on time. Here, let's get into the reasons to that feels a little weird. We got all these witnesses, but we don't have friggin proof, whereas, whereas the proof of occurring where the photographs were where the radio reporters, whereas the local newspaper writing about this. While vicious talk about We ve got in that room, yeah yeah. This leads to link. This is the soil. Fighting kind of talking about before. When I hear too, like the the Don't rush Roy Shack Nature of it? You know what I mean. The t leave reading here because in juices us to a standing conspiracy theory, one of the most intriguing concepts about this

hinges on the idea that government agents for one reason or another may have actively conspired to cover up reports of this recover up hard evidence. Cheer point met there are key pieces of hard evidence that we would reasonably expect to find them are missing. For instance, There is no record of that radio broadcasts from the evening of September. First, one sixty nine. Why well could be because they didn't take. It seriously didn't decide to record it for posterity. would it be because it was just there s o standard operating procedure to not keep audio copies of every single programme. They did every single night back in nineteen, sixty nine, probably yes, and also slowly yak isn't it. You know it's not like they had digital recording where recording spaces unlimited, and you can this record thing. I personally would have had it been recorded on tape like on real to real and those take

space, there's no reasonable expectation that a radio station the sixties like that would have recorded everything unless it was special broadcast. He now some kind of like Christmas thing right, who knows are like something noteworthy enough for the d there Ankara to like flip on a tape, though, I would argue that this does fall into that category II raise only in the oddity is kind of camp. I would certainly be lay off road tape, I'm as you can use this for some crazy. Lepers me now one day, this up in the Hallooing Clip show right ought does always record always record let's border newspapers, because there was a local historian from Berkshire can Gary Le Ville level. He he was-

going through archives at the local newspapers, form at least a month, and he was unable to find anything in that time period around September first, both before and after that mentioned any sightings from any locals. Em again is that, because the paper didn't think it was credible it appears that that at least was true in a couple cases where the pay- didn't wanna it to writing because they didn't want the town to be this weird place where you are foes happen or where delusional people think they say you of those depending on how you feel about it In both of those cases. That's an editorial choice right, it's completely legal for them. To do that, however, there is a third case when weak willed get to the matter of law enforcement. Those Organizations are required to document stuff legally, so

guiding Santy glue lotta, it was these Sheffield chief of police in nineteen, sixty nine, when this occurred according to his son Eddie in later interviews allotted, actually receive phone calls about some sort of mysterious object in the sky, but he did I believe the reports, because I was running if you running open fallen line. You probably got a lotta crazy calls one eight three three s tea. d W Whitey K Larry Jail, but we do have an account of their not anything on the books whatsoever on that day. Size, the missing woman that I still contend may have something to do with this one. One there's one big elephant in the zoom call, though, in its this there's a socio political kind of contacts that in which This occurs and it's not isolated from it

we're in the middle of the Cold war right also. This is just months after the first Official moon landing rights spaces very much on everybody's mind at ease certain that the alphabet soup is gonna tabs on any unusual activity that the world militaries forget. Just the: U S, military! If you hear about a strange object in the sky, your first thought is gonna, maybe be aliens, but it's gonna be like. Is this the weather balloon or did the other guys the bad guys build something we don't have so. I like. We no there were extensive investigations? Oh yes, absolutely Here is the other part of that say: you're an advanced civilization, keeping light tabs on you know of a group of semi allergens, animals that can drive

hours and fly airplanes and they can shoot things up into the atmosphere a bit, but they can't really do much else. Besides that, in all of a sudden, you notice that a ship has made its way all the way to the lunar surface of the moon of that plan. It maybe start doing a little more closer research right after closer monitoring, just where else yells Likud. This, let's see what they're up to re again you got, so you got a great Barrington Massachusetts right right. because you would earlier abducted someone from that agent, and now you want to see what their, how your genetics you're in seven affected their offspring, ray you can madly anything in two that I mean that's them compelling kind of more out their way of life does I love the multi, the generational idea of like the parents. Being you now

targeted in some way and there like lineage or whatever, I think that's pretty cool, add enough. It's that it's a thing, but it certainly interesting thing to think about. Well then, the other question is, of course, the bet. I Put this very diplomatically. This is not my personal belief by eighty. He's an understandable belief? Why, on the part of some sceptics to say- there's something inherently narcissistic about the idea that out of Billy the people on the planet. Who are all you know physiologically world pretty much the iter regions on a theme or variations on a theme? Is simply kind of nurses about, say wildly singled meal multiple times I therefore have a special for that reason. We

and it's like you know, like paranoia, is ultimately a narcissistic flavor flavour of thought or idea I don't agree with that, but I see where people are coming from with that in mind: Dignan, I don't think there there's anyone whose lay purposefully lying to folks for, tension, and I think you know to say that is the case. Without solid proof become comes very close to victim, blaming which it which would be irresponsible of us at this point I met you had, from Jane Green that you quite liked in the unsolved mysteries episode. Oh yes, I do in you'll have to forgive us unsolved mysteries and we very enjoy your your episode and I'm pulling another direct quote from your programme. I am doing it because Jean Green, just the highly convincing to me personally

her reasoning, in telling the story behind wanting you to hear her story. So much can read it. I just- that everyone that sees this talk, email bones all mysteries episode. Really. Would open their minds because I know that all that are being interviewed, our people just like everyone out there that probably, at one time, didn't believe, doubted and when happens. There is no doubt I have no reason to make anything up. I'm eighty four five years old- and this is not something that I expected to do or ever to talk about its real. It's for real people have got to under that- and this shares a common thread with Tom reads earlier statement for the record. I want to point out that, while is true, he and others have made multiple appearances on various. I will call them paranormal. Awkward shows just

I like the obliteration now trying to start a new trend get me beef points, but just because they made appearances on these shows Does it mean that there are somehow con artist? You know we have to listen to people clearly and objectively. It is safe to say that these events participation in these shoes or other media outlets made them wealthy they're not milking this as some sort of extra terrestrial cash cow. They simply in fact established hold their story once and stuck with it through a multiple decades, it is safety. at the very least that they believe this story is true. So what about you, conspiracy, realist. What are your thoughts? We would love to hear them. You can feel free to abduct us in your ufo and and give us the first hand scoop If you were involved with this and if not

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