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descriptions of sexual violence, descriptions of murder, homicide, suicide and aid, load of language that reasonable people would find incredibly offensive. So if that is something that would be difficult for you to listen to now the time to turn back. Assuming you're still here Stephen at sea, points in our lives, regardless of who we are and society or what, how we feel about ourselves: virtual every one of us has grapple with those heavy tough questions, of romance of ammo feelings of love and, of course, loves, ugly cousin, heartbreak, yeah unlikely experienced action or feeling of being some sort of outcast, at least for a time. People aren't usually Vizsla come out of the womb with complete and utter sexual finance. Something

work your way into me on other the Morrissey Nets. Are I well more sees a very special case if it is true, I dont know if more she was born or just sort of self generated you no more Caesar detours. A sexual younger, celibate, yeah yeah. Also through I would say in this. This unifying The motion is unifying set of questions runs across the human species, theirs. Pretty compelling evidence that other mammals, not just primates, experience, what we call love heartbreak grief envy jealousy the whole cavalcade of relief. Feelings today, episode explores and entire subculture dedicated in some ways to these questions. This group calls itself collectively. Incense I c e l

here. The facts would start with that. Let's start with that. One word what in sell me portmanteau it's uh stewards, involuntary and celebrate in the just, basically is its people who Dennis by themselves as this in cells. They believe they are the victims of some oppressive society, the one in which we all exist, but they view it as much more oppressive. Then perhaps the average person would and in this society women through their party control of sex, and relationships and sexual relationships, their able to control almost every single aspect of life and the person who identifies as an insult is the victim yeah yeah. The insult movement has a lot of different variations, but that's that's the key they ve constructed.

Theory of attractiveness and will explore more than a moment. I- and I believe the best way to describe it- is Of absolutist, sexual caste system yeah- and they ve also constructed this world view where sex is in in ale, universal human rights and a big part of the language in the Inter community, at least among most members, is the notion that they are entitled in some way to sex as heterosexual males and, as will discuss. Very much is a head or a sexual community ice shy away from using the term movement. Honestly, it gives me the creeps that I think of it more as a as a community its absolute we'll get nobody out for sure, I would, I would typically say community. Although many individuals in that in this world view, do see it as a movement. The difference between the community and a movement is

in a word right, a movement is oriented towards a specific set of goals that can be measured as success or failure in this community inherent kind of lax goals that gets largely about Furthering these negative feelings. If you can say there's a goal is to feel is horrible about yourself as you possibly can. There is some contradictory goals for sure. I don't know that everyone agrees then that community certainly not outside of it, but I don't want to lose that that point. The the idea that. Sex is a human right. Only a certain type of person is indeed a person, desiring sexual contact while not experiencing it at least the way one desires is both deeply traumatic and a great historical crime of our age. So out of all the horrible things human beings of ever done not getting

Wade, the crass about it is somewhere at the top forget about genocide of mass starvation, and We want to be very clear, nor you raise an excellent point here in world view, there is no room for same sex relationships. The trend community algae BT too. I and so on in this in this reality there is only a black and white again absolutist reckoning in which men and women are the only players and we ve read the three of us of gun farce far far down. This rabbit hole I've read some stuff about seems, relationships from this perspective. A lot of the people who are against it, but leave that get this era refused. If he s, others believe that people who feel they are gay or attracted to members of the same sex are just deluded because

The evils of feminism happens that they have been bamboozled for life the better word, because they have never met a quorum for real member of the other gender, very strange, very strict and, unlike many insular groups like all sore militaries or religions. The insult community both isolates and identifies its members through the use of acquired terminology or jargon right. We have phrases like nor me. For most of us. Listening and us here in the studio. That term is us we're either. Nor me, Sir chats well, I will also the norm is one that has meaning outside of this community. I mean it. Certainly the kind of up that at term for squares. I guess you know by then within the UN community its own thing. In some of the terms they use our very much exclude.

To the entire community in some like that they kind of co and give their own the Lisbon to right right right. So Stacy or Chad is an attractive popular person has in there view the majority of sex on earth. I mean that's literally what it is in there Other variations of this that we can explore there are. More examples. The use, the term woman is very, very, very rarely use and frank. It's either flee mood, fair, Boyd or female the best, the best female it's kind of kind of the really they really nice to me that just this inherently uttering name for women, it sounds like some kind of callous feeling robot like think like the femme Botz from Austin Powers Movie, also akin to like some kind of natural resource that has to be harvested and used rather than you know, like a thinking feeling. Human person who goes back to them, humanoid right there

resembling a human, exactly so there. There are other things like a beta. Maxine mugging mugging I enjoy. Mugging is essentially when someone feels that some other, I guess, maybe a competitive, the it's a competitive things, so the so, for instance, if, Paul mission Control, Deca door upon like using yours and an insult example. I know you'd, never forgive me I can see mats reaction to face right now. So, let's see- let's say Paul is in Singles party, mingling dating or something, and then as someone do some insight, person, one to talk about a book or a book becomes part of the conversation and Paul is read the book. If the person is in secure enough, they will feel Paul, has somehow mugged them or one to them or

them seem like they have less value by having at that book is well. You know what I mean, so it's really mugging beauty or porno if he is in the eye of the beholder interesting. There's US an inherently is, will get more into this later, as we start to talk about some physical qualities, but is an inherently problematic kind of racist language as well in the insult community, so you can be, and in cell of color if that is what you are, then they almost exclusively blame. Your lack of success on women are attributed to the race in them vision very offensive terms in a lot of this country, and ass, a video on Youtube called caught up from a technical, Contra points and there's a video on in cells. In that I cannot recommend highly enough, but terms like rice, cell or Axel or Currie Cell interim virtue, people of other races. So it's almost like they're making that focal point of their deficient

rather than some of the other details? Are we're gonna get into right, right and theirs there's important point here, because didn't times those those words are self applied. Would That's all such which would be startling. I think a lot of people from the outside because they are very races. Yes, this is a very self loathing. Centred community, and so there are- categories that in cells divide themselves into the reef category being one that's also, though, also base their description on what they see as their sex life, or what they see as the physical. Or mental or social defects, that's keeping them from attracting women, whereas they would say obtaining sex. These are things like brain cells. Near cells, people like they do have sexual contact, but the so sparse that they're they're almost in cells, were there almost red pilling, which comes up in just a second,

mare cells, morsels people who are married, but in his excellent merit treatments humming a specific, is having a week rest, they call it the wrist cells or being too short or too tall height cells. Yeah. And as I was really this list, I kept thinking you know, what are you All the person is gone, the longest amount of time. Are they Duracell do not step down from that. You don't need you. I won't die on this hill, but minutes. That's that's a little bit levity and, to be honest, I didn't see anything with Duracell, but let's about pills, so cells are big and so are pills. The concepts espoused first in the matrix which was made by people who be found objectionable by this community ripe, whether the What counts is awaited, ask about actually went onto both transition

yet we have yet to be. They realize they both turns yeah there like twins, I believe, and they clearly shared the same experience in terms of their sexuality, their identity? So We all remember in the matrix I'm assuming o gave you haven't seen the matrix yet spoiler airy watch it actually over the weekend with my kid yet amazing. Ok, it didn't quite hold up for me, and I very really the reason is this, because it's been parodied in ripped off so much that it almost looks like a parody of itself. At this point, at no fault of its own, Sure was, I make sense, yeah you were coming from. I leave The idea here back to be scene in the matrix, wherein oh, what what Morpheus wherein Morpheus offers. The protagonist NEO choice he can take blue pill and humans. Forget, the weird stuff that happened leading up to the moment and live out his life, or he can

Take the red pill and Have his eyes opened encounter a revelation to see the world is a truly is in the universe of insult em. The term red pill describe someone who, like me, you in the matrix takes that pill experiences a revelation and now recognises the quorum quote. True nature of human society, doing this absolute is black and white view. Primarily subscribing to the belief that society discriminates not against women, but Hence men specifically against you, you know what I mean. It's it's very bleak variable who are you and red killing, is just the active spreading this world view of convincing other people proselytizing for and seldom, and this applies to all right thinking and NEO Nazi ISM. The idea of rig being read pills is when you have a mentor of some kind of someone who welcomes you into this world in this way of thinking, and it takes yeah

well said this also occurs with how are they rebranded race priest, supremacy arguments. Oh ray surrealism. Did she has run into that one? That's that's the thing: people same with a straight face, and then there's black yeah, so red bill is societal, leg, world view change, kind of thing, black pill, is a little even more metaphysical. It's going deeper even than the red pill. It's this fatalistic version of the world in which people who believe it inside the insult community. They subscribe to this file Nicole determinism, where you are your body, was based as you were born, it was determined even before you were born that you are going to be an insult. Because of these traits that you have either at your height or your wrist, sir. Your forehead shape were shape of your skull, yeah yeah

whenever it is, these factors are going to make you unattractive this right and then the same. The same thing applies to people who are attractive and just you cannot change your in seldom, and you cannot change the Chad, dumb or whatever other version of human that exists at the area and the hold the black pill is, is really just the I'll ever that comes along with going forward. Or into this very nihilistic world view. Everything comes along with it and Natalie win a keg Contra points on the EU to challenge Mckenna breaks down in a really Mr Wei describes the black pearl as the cell. Defeating world view with no hope of happiness and sexual gratification. Sexual market value is genetic

We on changes to this idea that you will be a virgin forever, that you'll never be able to have sex. Therefore, you will never be able to have happiness, and you should just L D a are or lay down and rot a term again like like many. I want to call it. Halt but like many colts or movements that mess with your mind, there's this preponderance of very specific terminology and acronyms, Scientology uses a ton of acronyms for a reason. It work. When you want to make people do and think, as you would have them too and think if neither the red pill nor the black pill suits, you then Congratulations, shameful! You, along with personally are a blue pill. That means that you, like most of the world, don't accept this belief and in cells will consider you. Car Foolishly deluded gap

So how did they get here? Let's look timeline its fascinating because we mentioned okay, so we mentioned nor the Contra points very is a great exploration of this community of the matrix. Is founding mythology. With by Trans people, write or who have now transition to contravene channel evidence and Trans woman, who doesn't Joan incredibly intelligent and money and wonderfully produced and to the red shame of the insult community, where this is the first stuff. They don't want you to know this movement was originally the brainchild of believe it or not. A woman

in the ninety nine bisexual college student, known only by first name, a lotta was living in Toronto, Canada and started a website called alone as involuntary celibacy project. For those who, like her, were struggling to form loving relationships or felt, maybe they were late bloomers. You know and she described the site originally as a friendly place website where she posted articles. She ran a mailing list, people talked about their personal experiences, both the countryside, looking for love and all the wrong places, the unjust. The general feeling of loneliness was a forum for men and women to talk about that and much more of a support, community post to what will see that it kind of twisted mutated into metastasis good word right, so we have quotes I'm alone. She says there,

probably a bit of anger and some men wear a bit clueless about how women are unique, individual humans, but in general it was a supportive place, and this is from a interview that the BBC did with her a while back how supportive was. I can get this couple who met on this site ended up getting married and live happily ever after. So this was not an incredibly execution negative place fast, anything about the insular community and, as we see it, even in its earliest routes, the growth of it is very intertwined with a digital communication and over the past, Few years, numerous online forums have become home to in philosophy. Yeah. Originally I wanna had create the word inverse. So I We see our summit suggested in cell, was easier to say also its debts, homophobic with imbecile ripe, so

to align the word in cell used to mean anybody body of any gender who was, as you said, matches lonely but never had had sex or who had had a relationship in a long time and says now. We can call it that anymore. That, with the word has been appropriated by two thousand. She began to move away with the community and she thought you know. My work here is done this blossoming, this is growing. This is a good thing they did a world. The spontaneous communication, this Luke Such information is allowing people to me and support one another, but as the group grew it came something fundamentally different. Encountered. What psychologists would call the extreme principle or group polarization and we'll get to that right after quick word from our sponsor.

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a band, worry ice cream and met a group of other p, who also kind of like it, never screen club, oh yeah, I remember ice cream of that was great, and then you walk away. Studies show that if you talk to people who feel the same way, you do even about something relatively benign. Even if your feelings particularly strong one way or the other. If you already have that initial, tendency or baseline opinion, and you talk with people who have similar beliefs afterwards, You will tend to have your belief in that thing we're stream. So you might walk into some some conversation saying: oh yeah talking about been in Jerry's chocolate, peanut butter, fudged, stripe, toffee explosion. I made that up, they might be like oh yeah, it's pretty good like oh. What do you like about it now? You start talking mounted and think about that aspect and walk, walk back and you, like you know what that's my favorite

going flavour. Not only is it my favorite, it's the bet, possibly the best ever yeah. If there ever was ever existed under the sun and other people just don't get it up now. That is an example of group polarization, the extremity principle. Psychology shows, as the people who hold similar beliefs, ten congregate and as people with similar belief speak with one another. These beliefs tend to become more stream so it oh. Yes, this is what happens with people who, like fish, the band I think that it is shared out to a producer Josh as yes, this this? happens with bands until it getting, I think, fishes great fish is fine, but I don't see what the fish people see in it. You know

I think a part of that is possibly the community and the community nature of going to a fish show and being around your call him poor people and you now and then, if you, if you took all that away and just listen to their albums, I think it would be the same experience what you're doing it in isolation right. I agree, I think, to be fair world, pretty well outside the fishbowl me they're. Fine, there have any of us even been to official. Now I've had fish food ice cream by beneficiaries, which has great quite a gratefully little fudge. Fisher awesome, the closest for me, is the envy the Matthews been ahead. That happened with me. Won't you got you got red, tells you got an idea only well yeah. I hated Nirvana because of my insular dm be group met. Man have you been have even rehab, though? Are you? Are you a Dave, a divide and better? Now I still I they math. You can like both yeah good, angrily valorous on writing. Smart yeah,

Yes, it is ok. Ok also, I said some that's fair but that's these are. These are innocuous examples. Re studies show that, after these conversations happened both you listening and the people have spoken with will walk away. Agreeing more essentially with you. Your opinion will be, as the Simpsons would say in big and this It's true for opinions about sports teams, ice cream bands like fish, other snack films, philosophical beliefs. This also,

weird. This also holds true for stuff. We don't like. Let's say that you think Police Academy for is the weakest film in the entire French. I would ever think that I don't know man scythia. I wanted a harrowing example who interact with people who share that belief. After this conversation, you will likely think even less of what is arguably one of the most breathtaking cinematic achievements in this our modern age. I'm tearing up just thinking about it, to me, it's like mom mentality, where you have a bunch of people that are maybe a little bit racist and then you start getting them talking to each other and they manufacture like this problem that doesn't even exist in a merely the magnitude. They think it does. All of a sudden Devils everywhere and you gotta kill him yeah he's gonna kill em. They go from the though create new problems that don't exist. I love that you said that they go from. You know, Well, I think this step

type about the Germans, or I tend to think the french or somewhat arrogant, and then you know a few weeks later after joining the right Facebook groups there, like hang the Welsh jacket on this kind of your time, but a drift towards extremism, real s riots and doesn't just happen in these little things. Bins in the big things in the big communities. In my justly me, ladies hair thickly is political communities specially on Facebook? and it's exactly, it's exacerbated an accelerated by this social media bubble that people who live in, and that is what the insult community is. If nothing else, it is a bubble. Yes it's like when you only watch Fox news or you only watch, CNBC, MSNBC or whatever you choose to cure it. Your experiences and blot out any outside experiences, you're gonna become a more extreme version of that thing is going to happen, and digital platforms plays a huge role in this

is no question that twitter pleading huge role in the radicalization of, boy who later went on to join islamic insurgencies. There's no gin that Facebook and Russia plays a huge role in in making people in the. U S. Dream toward more extreme beliefs, not just political stuff, anyway again. There's a book called foundations of geopolitics. It's the playbook what's happening read. It has nothing to do with his episode. We're pluck we're flat, Ok good! I like it we're flax good Buck s there just so so we see there's some. We do video earlier. I think years back on radicalization ISIS, but this the star still plays a huge role just because you're, not seeing a video of someone getting beheaded, doesn't mean this isn't dangerous when it happens in other places, other communities other bubbles. So what, as the insult community believe now

what's, let's look at their modern beliefs, first off shout out to our house of Works DNA. How do you His work in cells are very adamant about this. Yet you know stuff, that you grew up around no lawyer, there's a soul mate. For u course, there's somebody out there waiting just familiar equal, yeah remember the whole thing like they're all these fish in the sea there enough fish for everyone. I lavish there is someone for you. That is some bowl crap buddy, what malarkey poppycock That's not very nice. Tell me more well her attractiveness, and you know that thing when somebody is ok. I, like you like the courier jib and dig in this vibe yeah. That's not an individual per person, real thing! There's no individuality involved. It's just a clear cut set of measurements. Our?

There are just a couple of factors in they. The eggs or exhibited a couple of things sounds very familiar: yeah vaguely eugenic in nature, but let's go. Let's go on with test these waterfront, illogical speaking of genetics. Let's talk about your height, your bone structure, your wrist size, your skin, color, your forehead size, yeah. Let s talk about that, because that right there is the heart of What makes you attractive There are some socially acute accrued things that can get you in attractive. Your can create a Chad nests in you an aura. Yet most of that is money. Just money, wealth, and but there are a couple of things: power influence, prominence being a celebrity in general that can cause you to have Chatham, even as a founder of Facebook like building, for instance correct, would be an example. There are other. Actors, let's see just a few,

personal initiative, if you look out alive if you have either healthy diet. You Well some of these things. I give you actually make a self improvement in one of these areas. It can be caught. Maxie yet, but that's the thing, though, in this community, that term is inherently kind of an egg right, it's sort of like. Oh you you how cute yours you're, trying to lift herself up out of your pathetic squalor. The trail dress matter, look smack yet your risk will still be exactly exactly yeah. That's that's! All one of the it's one of the inherently contradictory things there's also similar to its distant relation the world of p ways or pick up artist theirs. Inherent belief that everything is programmatic and that if one day,

action? A action be result be rather will inevitably and immediately follow shrank. Super producer Paul was telling me off air about a show and Netflix he's watching unbelief called you are one characters is somewhat of an insult type. Actually does pick up, get a girl, but its exclusively using these kind of manipulative took up artist techniques and the inner monologue. The whole time is sort of like expressing disbelief in a sort of like wow. It's really working kind of you now here, but it is very much a bit of a mark con kind of situation. I was ready Siena because in that I have not located Whelp I don't want to ruin it for anyone, it's it's worth watching. It is very lifetime is actually like lifetime after dark ten a thing, but very interested to hear what you guys. Think. After concluding the word, what use is problematic, fair enough. I think it's that I think it

great comparison. Making so one the great debates just like just you said when the great debates in the insult community revolves around this to do not to do question about whether one should attempt to max in one way or another ripe gonna get a better job dress maybe join club, like toast masters, where you learn to speak to other people or in dead to rebel against this society, an attempt somehow to fundamentally change or, in this view, correct the status quo. This leads to something called the beta uprising or the insult rebellion which which report this will get through. That suggests a seed that planting that a court, to grow into a really yoke, as the

pursue continuously beta uprisings uprisen. We got an what goes along with his too, is in the same way that maybe someone who's having depression would not take. Kindly to you d say I come, I d get over it get out of bed. You you'll be fine, you now, oh you got anxiety to go exercise. You know I'm in the in the contract points video. She, I believe, coins the term nothing. This is in the community. Chad Splaining, when Sir most in cells are not receptive to being told it does get their shit together and try and improve themselves, and that idea of MAC, saying is looked at often with scorn and has some form of vagary or is being not true to your in cell routes, which they all still despise and think that they are less than those very countered. The whole thing. Yeah, there's double think and there's also

this is something that you pointed out from the from the consequence, video. There is also this idea of catastrophes, and could you tell us a little bit more about what that is yeah, it's something that I think we can all relate to on some level at some point in our lives, but just this kind of we'll call negative thinking with anxiety and depression thrown in their psych central dotcom, describes it as an irrational thought. A lot of us have in believing that something is far worse than it actually is, and it can take two different forms making a catastrophe out of the current situation and imagining making a catastrophe out of a future situation. So it's one of these things where the stream transition from problem to we're all gonna die. Everything is

listen pointless is a real stretch, whereas the steps between the individual spots on that spectrum maybe aren't as much, but when you finally get to the end result or you're mine goes. He realized this is very rational, like the slow boiling of fraud, I would say that I am highly guilty of catastrophes and about my own life yet I think, is something any most people have experienced on some level another I am a have been as well and it had to work at it to not do that. But it's inherently part of this whole black pill. World view is that we will never find happiness, will never find love or sex or kindness of any kind will always be treated at these outside or pariahs, and therefore are doomed to a life of isolation and misery. What's that line that from the invisible everything is true, nothing is permitted right, no yeah, I think that is, I don't know if it's verbatim sounds the yeah there's a thematic similarity, so we the world painted more or less right move,

the gist. The bare bones of this: let's explore the most important aspect: I guess in the insult community, or at least philosophically women and men. According to insult me, humanity works on this adapted version of the preyed on principle. The eighty twenty principles called means that around twenty percent of the dude in existence, if that guy or obtain at least eighty percent of the women yet get, or obtain women are thought to be both intellectually and morally inferior in this. In this world view hype, game as meaning that the sleep around a lot from their teams to around aged thirty and there is also some very creepy stuff about under age people in the insult community, but at this time. This double think occurs because, despite

act that women are supposed to be markedly inferior? They are, at the same time enormously powerful, due to, as she said, met their perceived control over sexual relationships, and this is so similar to other discriminatory world views. A racist, for example, will also argue in terms of double think probably the most prominent in disturbing example, from world war, two was that the nuts tea party and Nazi people held nazi beliefs, thought that jewish both were inherently irredeemably inferior. You literally in charge of the planet. So how do you? How do you hold these two ideas in your head in any group like this. The target of discrimination, most must be portrayed, is fundamentally less than, but also for some enormous reason, incredibly powerful. Women. Therefore function according to the cells best as objects and we're not we're not gonna

do some song and dance and pretend like the world is not riddled. With massage any this, This did not come out of whole cloth. You know what I mean this came from somewhere, so that's how they think of women objects that are somehow inferior, but also all powerful and in charge of everything. Yeah but then what about the dunes? What about the dunes? Well, there are several types of mail and it's all based on really a misunderstanding of mammal hierarchy in studies that have come out of a while ago about this, a thing in its way. Phrase. You ve heard before Alpha's invade Really those are the two primary ones, but then there, third called the omega which sound awesome yeah. Butler. Let's continue our aim, so an alpha is

essentially a chat. It's a high status. Male who gets all the sexy wants just whenever he feels like it. He just kind of point sin and that's that's it. Alternately in alpha may refer to a males tall and muscular body type like if you silly Someone who say that guy looks like an alpha it's what you're talking about YO muscular dude right Essentially, that's it in this. They thought is that this alpha is just irresistibly attractive to all. Males not just Stacy's who, We can imagine before, but also Becky's, which only even if we mentioned a ban back easy just more average. Looking possibly a little nerdy females serve a female, one of a beta Jacqueline, ah a beta- so yes, in this case both alpha and beta females. I guess I find the alpha male irresistible.

And amnesia sit at the absolute top of the human sexual food chain, rights rights and There's a very bitter Comparison drawn here too, dark triad in the idea of being bad boy. You know this again in this? In this view, or from this perspective, and is different from a bad boy due to their restrained. So, unlike friends, and christian bail in American Psycho B, guys are able to not instantly immediately sexually assaulted and murder everyone, but that makes even more desirable is very strange, circuitous logic, path of their enemies, talk about. I know he mentioned the Stacy's, but Stacy's are kind of act.

As far as being sexually promiscuous lived, the life of luxury never have to work instantly. Arousing bodies with large brass curves that are attract Give two chats right and this also is a sign that they are fertile rights, and this is a very ages community. So the life of these Stacy is limited and stop The age thirty, no, according to most in. Then we ve got the beta right. The guy. The beta guy is not that's great in relationships again, they use the word females which its- many. Our our colleague learn Vogel Bomb pointed this out to me years ago and is still haunts me. Never people say female, cared can't not picture of Frankie you are

ask me about such a clinical way of looking at a human to categorizing. Has anyone ever called you a mail so weird now. That would seem very strange, and yet the some people say female in conversation and it's not bad eyes much, but it still is inherently kind of clinical and strange. I think, most times when guys get called male, it's either in a doctor's office over there, ap be out. You know male suspect, oh yeah, so so the the beta for some reason for one factor, another is not confident enough or competent, to be it alpha, maybe because he doesn't by into bad boy. Behaviour may be because of you Something unchangeable about his physical appearance or social position. Near often portrayed as the so

down types sue in seldom, would believe that once a woman is it what they call the wall run aged thirty. They seek beta mail to financially support them. Typically, through marriage while they still pursue offers on the side and then, if they really want to paint urban legend horror story of it, the beta male taking care of someone else's child while the four Stacy and you want to call it would have ruined, call this person while they go off to pursue their adventures, net, the terrible life, but still argue: it is better than the worst of the worst yeah, the omega. That is the guys with absolutely zero chance of ever having sexual intercourse far as they believe right yeah. So this is. This is the case with the the lowest. These are the people who end up,

the key of some of the more insane or fringe believe so these people perceive himself this way and we talked about the way that women are divided right. Stacy's, Becky's norms Or do we mention the term roasting? No, and then there is a real filthy urban dictionary. Now you're going, I would say, watch the video nor has mentioned multiple times here. You'll learn about it. So there is also this I think I mentioned earlier is very ages, but if anyone were to ask me, hey Ben It is the what is the p desirable age. To an answer. What's the peak desirable age for a meet there, I would say its gross, because often people will advocate being attracted to me, very, very young teenagers, and these are guys

thirties and fortys we'll just have to mention that no, this is just scratching the surface, but we delegates. Now we ve got this philosophy right. We understand the universe, we stand Lee the crucial pivotal relationship that Bates Rounded. But how does long winded background on philosophy, work out in the real, world answered we have to look at modern actions. First up communities are being banned, online, left and right, we are in for good reason right, I mean now are they violating rules of whatever surrendered wherever message board there on a special? concerning incitement to violence, and another really big problem? They have is hate speech in just continues to happen and there are also other things I mean when you get into some of these suicide talk

from the video where it's like an image of a bunch of women staring at the perspective of whoever the view stuff. You're you're, coming a danger, if you're talking about to us, I openly like the way it happens in these. It's crazy to cadets are also part of the language of these communities that they have a name for it. It's called SUI fuel and a lot of times. People will post these you know very hopeless, like kind of means or whatever, whereas like there's some from from the video where it's like an image of a bunch of women staring at the perspective of whoever the viewer is with disgust and sang like the the that feeling, when you're, the ugly guy and you walk into a room or whatever it's stuff like that, it just kind of like inherently make feel worse and they kind of when they get called on a people to post the stuff. They say I was just gallows humor and the certain trying to incite anybody, anything, but yet these boards are also filled with

actual suicidal radiations and people posting whether they be cry for Christ. Help. Or what have you? That's a very real part of the two and advice on how to do it. Rain so use when one or forum is banned. Another one will rise up beta style, her to take its place. They know what we're talking about this, idea of beta rising once let's explore the beta uprising, the also known as the in cell rebellion, the more extreme parts of the insult community call for a beta uprising. This would be defined as collective action by people identifying both his beta and omega too. Through acts of public violence, force a change in society. The logic in details of this plan shift with the prime goal being to create conditions wherein the in cells do not feel so oppressed and either force or induce women to sleep with them or in

in cases where the very very misogynistic angry individuals just for women to live in sort of servitude or even mass killings. This is dark plausible, very nasty stuff, but Unfortunately, as long time listeners to the show no winners as the three of us, no, it is not particularly anomalous in the vast says pit of opinions on the internet. There are people advocating all sorts, horrible, horrible horrible things, sometimes patrolling sometimes the serious. Sometimes it is a dark catharsis, but thing change when the digital trash again ideation creates real world consequence Lillian. Community- has done just that and will learn about it right, afterward from a sponsor

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several examples. Unfortunately, the first and most well known, I would say it would be the case of Elliot Roger who, on Twenty third, twenty fourteen a Vista just part of Santa Barbara County, California, murdered six people injured. Fourteen and took his own life in his car Yo Yo I began when he stabbed three men to death in his apartment and then he died to a sorority house. Any try to get anybody was unable to. He then shot Three women outside two of them died and he drove past in nearby Delhi and then shot to death. A male student who was inside that Delhi then he began. The speed through the area, three levies and he shot and wounded several other pedestrians. He hit people with his car, In the end he exchanged gunfire with police and he did that twice actually, whereas he was going to all of these places and he received a nonfatal gunshot wound to the hip. But

in the end, the variant hearing here he crushed his car into apart vehicle and police found him dead with a self inflicted gunshot wound to his head and before setting out for the sorority house. Shortly after he had stabbed three people in his apartment. He uploaded a video to Youtube titled Rogers retribution, the video He details his attack plan. He said steady wants to punish women for sexually rejecting them and to punish sexually active men and couples for essentially having sat feels rejected. He doesn't know me like. I don't see what you don't see me. I am the Supreme gentlemen. This moniker becomes important. It sticks round before does this: he sends a written document to about thirty four people in total. As friends, family is therapists. It is a long manifesto titled, my twisted world, the story of Elliot Roger in this

manifestoes, He claims that in his ideal world he would quarantine all women less. Not the term uses. Concentration camps, says that the vast majority of the population, these camps would be starved to death, deliberately Would be an efficient and fitting way to kill them all off? I would have an enormous tower built for myself and gleefully watched them all die. He also dreamed of a quote pure world where man's mind and developed to greater heights than ever before. Future generations will live their lives free from having to worry about the barbarity of sex in women, which will enable them to expand their intelligence in the human race to a state of perfect civilization by

cutting out more than half of the human population that last bar matting, because that's true, that's how the numbers work absolutely now an immense a thing to that that am, I meant to mentioned earlier. There obviously shades of in cells within this community, Lee most extreme being abject hatred. Of women, envy maybe lesser extreme. Being the more self loathing, I'm sad that women don't find me attractive than on ever find happiness, but then on a surly automatically. Take it to that level of make way our sex slaves and go kill them right, and this is not a defence sir, in any case, but he did have a very long history of mental illness as well. Which we see often in in these shooting deaths or in these mass murders, upon his death, The story of the tragedy hit the news. The insult

community began worshipping, Elliot Roger to one degree or another as a martyr. Fortunately, he spired other people. Just two go out on a limb and say this. We are, speaking about the insult community as one community. We do. I mean that every single individual who perhaps identifies in one way or another as an insult, believes This is the right thing out yet exactly it is, if you go online, you can message boards. You may feel that way that every single person on this board things sky did the right thing. I assure you that that that is not the case. In certain subsets of this community. He is held up and revered as some sort of Provo Messiah. Yet some yeah yeah harbinger of the revolution just add a bullet. Well, we are anything but absolutist and

would be an absolutist world view to take. I believe I also have to remember that in the age of the internet when you're reading the printed word, is often posted anonymously. It's very difficult to divine the sincerity or motivation for a piece of writing or piece of communication What's this martyrdom is real and it inspired more people. Next example, would be a guy named Chris Harper. Mercer October, first, twenty fifteen Chris Harper Mercer twenty six year old student at Clark Community College near Rose Burke, Oregon, shot nine people, and an injured, eight others he was wounded when the police arrived, and then he took his own life for the shooting he studied the actions of earlier shooters such as Cho and such as Roger and did. These people

his inspiration and influences and his he also had a history of unfortunately mental illness, which again, is not a it's it's a huge factor, but it's an excuse and is certainly never a justification, the timeline continues up to lie. Steer there were. There were several instances here, there's two of them: one in Canada, Alec Menagerie, and on April, twenty two thousand, a teen drove a rented van and sped through the North York City Centre, business district targeting pedestrians, with his van he killed too and he injured. Sixteen. This was steadily attack of its kind in Kenya in history, the private. The attack in ass had been active on. So forums and in self runs it. For some kind of rebellion and also saluting the aforementioned, pre, Gentlemen Rogers, yes

So the name came back and there's another example to just from, as recently as November. Right, Miss re, open, pronouncing his name right, actually, don't really care. Via Scott Paul Bury Bureau Barrel Bureau de I e r l e not spoken, by another member second of twenty eight team. This Forty year old gentleman shot and killed two people and wounded five others. Town Yoga studio in Tallahassee before he Look his own life he also cited Roger, is as an inspiration it's true. He also. Not only did he site Rogers inspiration body at this long history of grouping women and I ve been in legal trouble with this before she These guys also have some fortune posts you can find. This is well well. This is the moose publicized

on real world consequence of this community. Again, community does not move in lockstep this is far from the only case. There is a very high likelihood. The people some people. I dinner in cells have committed unsolved sex crimes because there is glorification of assault given some self identified. Members of the community have gone online to brag about everything from intimidation to outright. Your assault included planning this stuff by the way and advising each other how to do it. Disturbingly likely the several members of the community have actually committed acts. Actual violence again. In many cases, these could just be internet trolls, weapon telling tails were attention, but the fur Quincy of these sorts of post and the anonymity ripe make the unlikely that all of these are pranks were works. Fiction and then there's the the

find incredibly disturbing beyond an inn visual acts of sexual assault, and that is the concept of what they call the redistribution of sex, notably hit the mainstreaming in your times article, but the belief, It's more extreme members of the community will call for things like the legalization of sexual assault or some sort of state supported programme to force set meaning uncle SAM or some. You know or will in big brother kind of thing would make and more than half of the population sleep with the other half again. This idea argues that men are the only real humans and therefore the human right to sex applies primarily on virtually solely to men. This idea of systematic rape is it's a real thing

baffles me, and this is the stuff, the very stuff that Roger the and the original, we turned round about in his manifesto and in his video that you made before carrying out some of these bees crimes yap absolutely and at this. At this point These story continues its again important to note that there are tons, involuntarily celibate people of all ages, genders creeds and so on across this planet of ours, and these people, while- possibly unhappy with their sex lives, are certainly not out to harm anyone there. Just looking for human connection- and it also generally talked about the age range of these folks, because I used to call what's been described Here- is just being an awkward gawky. Teen are suddenly, you know get what point that it become kind of weapon ized in this way right, and I think

the bubble quality. They were talking about with a social media bubble and especially when you ve factor in some mental illness mental health issues and kind of described in the Contrapoints video death called model that we have here. So this this notion that sincerely never gonna win them. You might as well go for suicide or, worse murder, suicide, revenge right re in it its crucial to note that the difference years that this online community is radicalizing, isolated people and this creating real life murder, cheers one of the most common questions ensure a lot of us wondering this in the course of this episode. When the most common questions, people ass, when they learn about this community, is why in cells just engage with sex workers rights. Many places prostitution is legalised or decriminalize. So would that be a solution

The insult community largely seems to be against this, and there is some fantastic articles by sex workers who say this is not This is not safe. For sex workers, I also think it's kind of missing the point, because a lot of what these people crave is is the the companionship that comes with sex, not necessarily the sex act itself, more of the companionship and the genuine closeness and intimacy which we kind of now even gloss over. But it feels like that point as may be lost that it's all made about these little horned. That you can't get what they want, but Surely we all can relate to the idea being alone and not having any one, love you and give you kindness and tenderness or whatever that could cut him, make it go a little nuts. I could see that year. If, if you're K to watch something a little more mature online watch that contributions, video in the very first thing that it starts with it describes exactly

we're talking about here. The disease. Therefore intimacy. That's what I mean by human connection, the richer yeah sure that, it is true, you know it's not for the sake of sex could easily, a transactional, interaction, especially wouldn't concerning the summons paying for right. Also there are tons of social factors, We don't. Have time to get into. Today are available. If you want to write to us with questions or feedback, we'd love to hear from you, we want thank you for listening in this, and we want to hold this up as an example of how, on communities can have real world consequences. In just a point. This out, I personally can identify with that feeling of in down on yourself, not believing anything good about yourself. When someone compliments, you there

feeling of believing the worst about yourself, flake, whoever whoever apps on me. The most is probably the right person together telling me the truth, leeway with people compliment you guys, I only once every now and again, I haven't had one free again leave been can't hear it. He ate it doesn't register in his ears and it doesn't register in my ears very well either. I almost cannot hear that I, gets a very human thing: thou too, always trying to be the tube to tend to be your worst critic, air worst enemy, because you know yourself better than anyone out there, for you must know the deeps the deepest roots of your inadequacies, and then it's almost like this idea of seeking out those negative comments, the ones that cut to the core- and these are ya, see. I was right all along, because this is what I already believed, what these people there saying it's nice. I believe that therefore, lino

It's not true it. It's a tough world out there it's a tough one is a more to strike right. It's about mental health and Mental Wellness and being good do yourself and to Chad, splain or anything, but I do feel like this is a mental health issue in a lot of ways near it. If you are feeling that way, there's nothing I or anyone here could say to you to probably make you feel better in this moment, if you're feeling this way right now, but there are are people out there who really do care about you and really do think you're person whether you want to believe that are not its true from a lot of undiagnosed depression and anxiety in social stuff. That's going on here. Two minutes as to a later knowed everybody hates the here. You are not alone sunk, still we written by our Kelly, let people don't

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