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Firstly, ghosts and government cameras histories unexplained again, you can turn back learning stuff, unique amongst all the heavenly bodies man has found with the circumference of twenty four thousand nine hundred mile animals, sects and, of course, human being almost seven point: four billion of them, as we record is podcast, but the projected ten billion people on the planet, twenty fifty's but wait, there's more. The earth faces peril just this past year. Four million

five hundred and sixty six thousand seven hundred and twenty six hectares of forest were loss to put that into perspective. Since he ninety. Over one hundred and twenty nine million hectares of forest, the equivalent area of South Africa have been lost. Also, certification Soil is being destroyed at an alarming rate over ten and a half million hectares this year, and that's not all the air is being polluted. Thirty two in sixty seven million tonnes and count of co2 emissions are released each year even to mention the methane and other gases that all is not lost in this epoch, battle of destruction and creation in the dock. Has emerged a shining white light of hope? That is the EPA?

the Environmental Protection Agency is here. Yes, welcome to the show, ladies and gentlemen, we did it a little bit differently today, but we hope you enjoyed it. I'm Ben I met I'm no, and hopefully who are you and in the right place which makes this stuff? They don't want you to know this week we did a video on the EPA Yes, it is one that we shot. While we were in Washington D C this year under the EPA is environmental protection agency kind of like a lot of other countries have its also, oh, I don't know, let's just say, but it's supposed to do ocean sleep here was actually established on December, second of nineteen. Seventy to consolidate into a single agency, a variety of federal research, monitoring standard setting, an enforcement activities to ensure the protection of our.

Now the mission of the EPA, there are many of them They are wide ranging. Then it goes from everything to to ensure that Americans are protected from threats to health right. And that's where they work where they live and where they learn what else? let's see also to hold companies, or even other governmental bodies were principle for pollution, contamination keeping people up to the stand. Instead are issued in their policies right exactly holding corporations accountable for their pollution. They re perfect. Stop putting all of this. Sir Launcelot. What's all this, all these things in derivatives into the river strike. A monk thorn lead, but they lead.

I'm an old gold mine, perhaps sure yes, IRAN's the gaming pressure, and so these efforts, these national efforts to reduce environmental risk. Let's call it are new, ultimately, based on the best scientific data. That's available and federal laws that protect human health and the environment are enforced. Hopefully fairly and effectively in theory in theory. Indeed, if you go to he aid our Gov. You can find their entire mission statement all the things that they are supposed to do at least officially No, then, I would just going over the mission statement and they said develop. The EPA actually develops regulations. Horses them as well so Phoenix Congress. And rights and environmental law, or, let's say maybe, a lobby or a company rights rights alone and Congress rewrite signs it? Maybe maybe that happens. Maybe they re read it tv. They write it down.

Be able then right the regulation to go along with. Congress says needs to happen. Oh and they will also set national standards and enforced those regulations that they put forth in theory. In theory, in something, nor that I found. I was that one of the big parts of the money they goes to the EPA. Actually spent on giving out grants here. It's nearly half of the EPA budget actually goes into grants. Tuesday, environment programmes, nonprofits, educational stationed in alike, and these grants are intended to fund environmental studies and research allows across the U S and to share these findings with private organizations, academic institutions, other agencies

and other countries, as you ve heard, we ve been peppering this conversation, thus far with the ivy caveats of in theory and in a perfect world. This is supposed to happen so Ben Matt. How does the EPA ultimately stack up to them? mission. We see this thing that's in anyone is supplied. The you see we ve been peppering with we ve been peppering show with in theory, has for the past couple points were made. I was just sitting back my arms cross leaning an insane in theory. Because it's true the EPA does always reach the goals. It sets right. Even it's maybe There's a fair amount of of defense. We could say about that. What's wrong? Is Robert Browning Man's reach must exceed his grasp else. What's a heaven for

very nice way to say it's very nice way to look at ambition, but the thing is that the EPA gets numerous criticism, not just from people who think it's too big government into regulatory, not just from people who that is too too in the hands or in the pockets rather of corporate Amerika and even people who would say that the EPA is part of a lot of government agencies that do too much hand holding and prevent private industry, from creating the wealth that it should be right and add to that another group of critics people were formerly employed at the EPA who have a lot of stuff to say about it. Just like Joseph Stiglitz, you know going from one the World Bank, to be one of its largest detract earlier, because when you're inside you know the belly of the beast, it's the most stinky inside right

Yes, not a biologist, but I was what do you think I had always reminds me that seen in Britain, He has to get inside the kangaroo monster things at a time. Yes, citizen Hollywood punch me for not knowing that by now really shouldn't punch me she's a punch. You would hunch me with her eyes of your Europe for into Holly freely rise. District clashes, inhabit, star wars, addition, I don't, let's say but yeah they were stuck about, smells What if it's not a talent on, and I just as just a word that I know it is ok. I we literally have this conversation before, and I questioned what a taunt on whether he said you know the one that smells worse in the end, doesn't answer nice, as my friend references that's! Where you're! Coming from what the belly of the beast, I D, the belly of the EPA beasts, really comes to light in so critical.

By guy named William Sand Jordi for about twenty years. Sandra worked for the thirty thirty one, thirty. So for decades he worked at the EPA and he did not come out a happy per he says, the entire place is corrupt here, any he wasn't just somebody who works in a small office as part of the easy EPA or a small lab love worried about. Pierre, started as a consultant, but then he ended up as a branch cheap in the hazardous waste management division so he knows his stuff. He he's been in charge some things there has been in the belly of that It is right that I steal your habit. Was yours in aid does go fairly far back? He I think he's been employed ring. Three presidencies worked for three different. White houses while he was working there he's got this really great.

GOSH its car long bodies will laugh at me just because I think it is it really this leads to the criticism that he's making an insider perspective. So I mean it's certainly to be taken relatively seriously So this is from what's wrong, with the EPA by William Sandra written to ninety five. Ninety four absolutely could to understand why the EPA is the way that it is, you have to start at the top, and since the EPA is part of the executive That means the White House, the President, any President Republican or Democrat and his immediate staff have an agenda of about half a dozen issues with which is concerned. These are usually national security, foreign affairs, the economy, the budget and maybe one or two others call them class a priorities, all others housing, education, transportation, the environment, are classed be. The president expects performance in

said he will expect the military to to be able to deploy forces anywhere in the world when an emergency arises, and if it isn't your back heads until it is, if Congress doesn't what is budget he'll bring the budget after into his office in slam, is fist on the table. But can you picture the president bringing in the Secretary of transportation to his office and yelling because of poor bus services? Sheboygan are calling the admission. The Environmental Protection Agency into the oval office to chew amount for pollution in the core yoga river. I can't that is the difference. The president expects performance and class a in class, be he expects peace and quiet yeah. I really thought that just I mean, and and standing of. If you tear out different things that a White House has to deal with a president and all the people who work in the White House the environment while It is not currently up there. Doesn't it feel like it? should be. Today's episode is brought to you by IBM

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that comes less give back for more info and eligibility. Well, that's that's part of the that further That's something we're gonna talk about spoiler alert, ladies and gentlemen, in an upcoming podcast next week on Congress, and it is going to be how individuals elected officials are or are not incentivize too. To take certain. Action, you know if your president, the thing is, the president is such a I'll say it. On job to have. I know you only get to have one at a time here in the: U S, and so psychologically everybody wants to do something like that is your place. It has more than one at a time when I mean you could be president of other things you can be present, have been ball and fan club, whom you know and attacks Ex attorney, you can be present no brown Enthusiast Association, we started those, On the same day, crap I didn't get the memo sides pretty exclusive mailing list.

I bet you but you're. The point is that no point is that if you are present for forty heck. Let's say a you get a double whammy, then the a hard and bitter truth about. It is a lot of meaningful change for a country at all anything that size is gonna, take more than four to eight years to reach fruition. I'm u occurred to me we're talking about. You know this class, a class be in order to make something that is considered class, be under our presidency in the nineties, Review

move up the ladder. That's gonna take a long time things move slow. The system is designed for things to move slow, and here I would argue in some cases for good reason should I. It takes a whole, the height of support from both sides of the Isle, for something to become a class, a consideration that has been historically clasping consideration. They were just now starting to see inklings of acceptance of things like. I'm a change. You know actually making its way to the forefront of political, this guy and furthermore, Sandro, were also accuses the EPA of something that that we heard a lot As for research, which is cronyism protecting the bureaucracy or the status quo, rather than protecting. The mission critical policies, rape, which would be the environment. So a lot of people counter. The EPA were expecting

thing to be on their side, but they find that it can be adversarial instead or those are the reports. One thing that soldier said that the reason for german paraphrase. He says. Regulatory agencies, by their very nature, can do little that doesn't adversely affect business, especially big business, and that disturbs the prey So what seemed like that class be priority. All the sudden has some class. A price once you know what I mean yes, champagne problems on a p b, our budget, and it's it's not it's not a good look at if we're being varying slaying but the We're going Sandra can't write regulations governing big industries like petroleum without the oil companies going away about an energy crisis. This is this is again his is again his opinion, and what we found is that in

Each year there have been repeated cases of cronyism or people, people kind playing along and jumping through the hoop so that they can later get a job in the private sector. Yes, helping out industry while you're inside the EPA so that eventually you're on the other side and helping of accounts. Another interesting thing that Senor rights here that I am going to read a bit in full about how the agency is dealt with environmental groups, as opposed to industrial groups or private organizations in basically what are you saying a therefore the only thing is environmental groups will deal with the EPA, as organization through courts situation, in fact, you know through committee,

courts and through the top EPA executive? So you go through the main channels right right by what he saying is that industry does the same thing, but it also interacts with individual EPA employees at the lower levels, so they will come through and talk to an inspector, let's say, and it would it what it seems like since you are saying, is that they almost groom these employees from an early stage of working at the EPA. You eventually become one of theirs her. What's almost like. Oh, I would think, from the perspective of like a ceo of a big corporation that you know, does dealings with EPA having high level board member that was once in the ranks of the EPA. How would be helpful for weeks and dealing with the EPA right was sure it's a strategy move. I mean that's easy that all the time

see that with like ACC Rubio folks ending up on boards of big banks in no way, it's simply to vary the lot of potential for abuse there. It's a common practice. If we could run through some other criticisms of the EPA just want a laundry list. These real, quick and slows down too much the usual criticism of the EPA according to a lot of people is a political one. Is that these regulations key people from making money, so the idea would be like It is the seawater. Emissions regulations are costing coal mining right eroding the margins or you'll, also here When I do the car show on car stuff with Skype. Benjamin you'll also hear people I'm talking about the regular since, in the way, the impact that the price performance of cars and another criticism again I'll keep this really fast saw not you know,

When I was gonna say we saw a great example of the last one with Volkswagen recently gonna talk about already, but just there were they were getting around EPA standards and guidelines? Yeah excellent example: the criticism that kind of is used to support the first one. Is this idea like what is the matter? You know what I mean other developing nations like the bricks nations care as much you know, and then- and I think there is a vote questionnaire about pollution from developing. Countries, because a lot of the developed countries talking about pollution to developing world. Are just sort of in ignoring the fact that does your revolution it on the that kind of that. Full of pollution and without their then there wouldn't be anything. Is that have gotten you passed.

That might training humming, that's crazy. I mean it's it's interesting. Idea to two to what, if in her, to explore a hypothetical world in which everybody was super concerned about the environment from day one would we be as far as a species? I don't know. What's a good question asked probably not another criticism, The EPA is that it serves the political interest, from levers charged, let's remember and listeners outside the. U S, just to be clear: the e p, a employees are not elected a lot of the policy makers in the. U S are not elected, they d get an interview and they get hired appointed pointed yes, and so there are many that are under multiple president's. Like met was talking about, and I just want to run through those criticisms, because it's something that people need to hear- I think oh yeah

I turn to you, don't hear about the yea very often in the news right Something really really bad happens like still or something that the EPA is being culpable for Or if you hear someone talking about budget cuts, because organizations like the EPA they are either fodder a lot of times depending on the administration. That's coming. The White House right, because it's one of those things it's yes, again going back to what the guy said, a class, be issue, and so now weave Hang it some of those pictures right and I hope, or doing, ok job you guys out there. When we talk about the criticism, The organization like this. Has we also point out,

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They also there are some that we found that there were real interesting that we want to explore what you guys today. Yes, You have a foot in reality for me and then a foot in tat of the fanciful where a word? It would require. One of those big can viruses there are so many human beings. They would have to be behind it and just seems a little out of the reach of reality for me, but the first one is that the Pierre is trying to enforce gun control by limiting and removing lead from bullets. Yeah, I've known for Well, it was a use, an idea. You saying that if everything that doing it is failing is really about bullets earlier. Well, I mean maybe there's no lead in those bullets. I don't know. I haven't bought bullets ever and my life Kabila's even still made of when they have to be right,

God obeyed, let's go out with his story. Tell me: is there to say Tell me really they so they actually said they. They said that people thought they were going to say ok. That is one of those one of those reports that comes in. That will mention something like the EPA is looking into effects of lead, environment? Ok! and they want to see more where some of the man made sources of lead. Where's account from now we dont use lead paint anymore there, a lot of places where we reduced our you lead as a human species, especially in the United States, where the gleam yeah where's it coming from now. Well, one of cases his ammunition ammunition and get this ban fishing tackle the silent killer. I guess it

rises. Fish has also what's what's the truth. No clue canoe had his up with the truth bomb. Real quick are hitherto so, according to our sources, the centre for biological diversity and other environmental groups, while the petition asking the EPA to consider banning the use of lead and ammunition in fishing, tackle, arguing that these products are exposing wildlife and the people who consume said wildlife to harmful levels of this having up by the appeal for its part, has no plans to actually implement this agenda quote epee was not and is not considering. Taking action on whether the lead content in hunting ammunition poses an undue threat, wildlife new, it's kind of interesting that that the proposition, because ammunition in a hunting situation inherently poses a threat to wildlife. That's what is supposed to. I certainly hope so. Fishing tackle

apparently aids in a bets fish, guy. I love fishing I suck at it, but I love the idea that fishing tackle AIDS and a Betsy harm of wildlife right. Yet so it's it's just to me, it's strange, and I am glad that you point this out and all that there is a grain of truth to this, that I guess became alarmist it doesn't. It doesn't make sense to me just it doesn't make sent to ban that in that way, will ya and you can see if you ve got a political agenda. There to make Someone make person be or group, be look bad, our work, the EU, this guy's trying to get the EPA to ban guns and ammunition will do this and you know

see. I will be used in a political matter, pretty pretty blatant yeah. I did a gag toy, see there s a guess would make sense, but I would just like so where's where's, the money where's, the money Lebowski right in doing this reform in China that it had. It seems like we're talking about conspiracies within govern organizations. Usually it's about someone make some money, though. What benefit is therefore an EPA official to get behind this, to outlaw led down Well, there would be the I think, the origin point there is the idea that big brother will do any to read you're. Well, I'm populous irrelevance or get take your guns away right, an egg having that was the application for me as well. That is not just don't see it coming from this

I think there is a better way if, if there is, if the government really does want to get rid of all of the bullets, there is a better way to do. Then the epa- I don't know what that way is cause. I'm not trying to do that. You thought I was trying to, I was: I'm really think you a better way to do that giant magnets gigantic magnets. Really really. What I love is how simple it is like that. Breaking that you know, I was magnets. Yes, But how did they work that you have asked the insane client composting Something tells me they don't know. Let's do one more. What's let's talk about this idea that the EPA itself is polluting that the EPA like the World Bank allegedly might be the evil. Is creating or propagating

problem, it was built ostensibly to solve their people. Well I mean, if you believe this theory the here a couple means that I can imagine you saying to yourself. Well, they have done their budget year every year, so there have there have to be. Freezing singly bad things that they have to take care of, that they need more money to handle. No do you hear my head, getting a year it. She untried here, I'm trying to read in the things that would be said We need a government, his Asian to actively you know, One thing is those people who work in the organization need to keep their jobs in order to keep their jobs. They have to just saying people do that for them they dont need to help. The corporations are due in a fine job of polluting job. They don't need The aim the EPA has helped generally

time, reassure no doubt that I'm just saying in terms of a conspiracy involving EPA actually on their lunch break. They go out and dump a bucket of toxic waste, and the river is our come on? Let's get money behind somebody's back from an industry on purpose is to make dumps and toxic waste. Let's say: oh, I don't know from the old gold king, mine Ben, I was gonna say well. Yes, there is this idea that gained a little traction with the legislature neuter, which was that the EPA did not Don't we release three million gallons of mining waste water into the animal River in Colorado. That, instead, they purposefully did it and the states attorney general was kind of Lake

You know, I don't know, maybe maybe who those two buckminster realise last year. It stems from the idea that there were warned well Van. So there is an issue here, and not only with this one, king, gold or gold king mine, There- all these other minds in that area that or are connected direct, directly to rivers and. Groups, they are just warning and mourning in more detail at these. Mines have wastewater and terrible things in them that are gonna get into the rivers. We have to do something about it and it stinks because the EPA really colors. Has the table it to a certain extent until they can get the resources to take care of it. At least that's what the EPA says. A rare named MIKE. No in this way will the subway said that the EPA might have caused the spilled environmental has put an end to the hard rock mining industry. I just don't see that

I don't know how that would. That's like such a Rube Goldberg machine of a plan. I would need some proof to believe that do moment. Boardgame game mousetrap. Oh here it's it's like I'm mousetrap level. Overly complicated plan thus the whole in this retaining wall and lit out all the stops by the way, the pool. They were led out and ended up an animal river and they got polluted are you extremely high levels of lead, arsenic, cadmium, but really and mercury in my work, so anything living in that water? Anyone using that water? This is not good and a coup to this once in a report that was looking at an actual EPA report was too about perhaps because these are heavy metals right They just go away once there in a river like this, they sink to the bottom,

and then, if you have cabbage catfish nothing else who lives in there or even if there's a lot of alone for water moving through with a little bit of flooding, you're gonna get that stuff. It's gonna get up with the silt get more problems anyway. I just thought this was a really interesting and color scary thing that happened on my birthday this year, so that a lot of things Lahti, be it yeah. Pierre created in eighteen. Seventy to look after the environment and a ruin birthday ruin my facebook posts on birth. A yes well, I'm glad that they are doing something. Now, I'm kidding, I'm kidding you there. So the EPA does a lot of good work that gets ignored right. The sweetie wheels get the Greece and the Barton dogs are the ones you here and other various figures of speech pointing we are focusing on the

stuff that has been alleged or proven to be shady to be incorrect to be corrupt, because that's what we're going? to do this. The idea does the job. Then we have no idea and can EPA do their job structurally when the relationship between business and in a government right or just the sheer size of this regulatory body. How How are they doing? Why do eggs? Employees complained, but I guess ex employees will always come out of the woodwork for anything right. So we once again- and I guess we get Have it up, unfortunately, only want to hear from you guys. What do you think of the EPA? Are you one of the people who thinks it shouldn't exist? If so, I want to hear from you. I think that something like it needs to exist,

That's what I think is personally no doubt I don't know, but I'm really interested in hearing the opinions of a people who think that it shouldn't or that something different should exist. What would that be and tell us? tells with things like in your neck of the woods, especially if you live in a different country. Do something like the EPA or do you think of them? Do you have any Romanes with let save stuff it's in your well water. If you live out in the northwest or something the midwife I want the I'd love to hear stories of just dealing with things like this. Visor ease Lawiya, absolutely so you can find out in various corners of the internet, as we always say, we're on Facebook and Twitter, where we add on that, you can find, as we are concerned,

stuff on those. Are we like using those? Yes, but there are two places two ways to hang out with us that I think are most profitable until it terms Yes, I look at the first line is to go to stuff. They don't want you to know dot com. Does he can find this there? doing right now it exists there reversion of our audio podcast every episode of the videos. All the pictures abandoned Matt hang out around pylons sue, nor will be hang around Taiwan to get away for picture. Can I lean on it? Oh yes, you can Neil, you do all the hamlet, ok, while meal I gotta get in there, when we what we will do they might websites, but if they do not have sent us a I honestly don't know, with what do you do? I suppose you could send an email to conspiracy.

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