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the move- one, oh yeah, that's me No, that's! Ok! You see what I'm saying you talking about happiness it away. So there's a very interesting thing that happens with happiness. There's a there's, a comparative factor to happiness. Very strange: If some you could have to people's rights and people want is guy making thirty granted here do you really does give imperfect up what you do lawnmower he's a lot one who most large Lenore man the eyes alone, more man thirty thousand dollars a year. If everybody else's Owen there's this other person she makes fifty. That Alice year. What does she do? She makes podcast Ok, she made a lot of money. Agatha Yasmine, oh yes, got this pie, castor, lady making fifty year and this law more guy making thirty, if all of the other,

both alarming company make like twenty five or even twenty eight thousand dollars. This guy is the king, of the mountain. He is thrilled to be alive. Things tastes we're how he found find out what everybody of me- let's just say that for the sake of ok, ok, but if the lady making fifty thousand dollars of the passing thing finds out that her coworkers making Europe fifty five thousand rider or fifty three. Even then she is gonna, be miserable and unhappy in that's because for a great deal of the human species, happiness is so compare given that there are other studies about their other studies, about further money makes you happy whether really buys having, as it turns out that that's true up to a certain point, in the U S at least and then after that it doesn't matter, is mine

How do you know where you're describing to me is I've always thought of a sort of like that grass is always greener kind of mentality, no sort of like you. Look at one of the people have keeping up with the Jones the Smiths, whenever numeric american last name you'd like to use this analogy, and you know I'm not guilty of any definite have to like it? It's a good thing to keep in check. Keep yourself in check over because very easy to. Like start, coveting what other people have when you realise that a day it they would necessarily make you happy you if you had it. That's a girl, that's a great point, because it can be of stuff works a couple different ways: listeners you problem had the same experience that almost every kid has growing up in the west. Where someone more apparent turn authority figure says he will think. People who have less than you or someone says no. It could be worse to my mother used to say all the time and edges hated it.

It can be worse, doesn't make anything it doesn't change. Anything they could be. Worse is just like. Also you shouldn't be upset about these horrible things, and Then it's strange is when we think about our unhappiness problems in relation to the larger field of humanity we have. I have as such, disconnect. You know like we were taken mothers briefly affair, and I think you alluded. We know, of wit, What what sir, where the problems, Oh yeah, oh we're just discussing problems that we are having in our daily lives. Right now My main one is that kid groups on, occasionally grocer. That's terrible, that's one of my biggest problems. Right now I mean that's messed up that is messed up. For me too, even though it makes you feel horrible think it's because maybe my mom Canna gave me some of the sea

things now she was doing it for him bad reasons for really good reason and think about. Other people have empathy mad. Yourself, if you dont, have all the things that you have now, but I did it definitely ways on me: pre heavily the pooping. No, these. I think that my problems are are bad, sometimes right. Really. You tend to wallow in what I'm dealing with. But then, if I put myself out a little bit, average Israelis are ridiculously great hey. I have Yeah me, like, I have a six year old daughter and the perfect way to sum up, these like first row problems is to observe the behaviour of us cereals, so she's constantly like we're in a store, He's like I want that thing why do you want it? Because it looks cool I really feel as though I need that deserve that to say things like. I never thought I would this, but I am like less worrying

worry about what you don't have and just think about what you do have and appreciate that in an endless, let's go from there s amazing doesnt, work of no here in it and in lino me she's, not a super tantrum type game. She defiling. You know she's gossamer, some, Some wants you gotta tell you get the thing you do know. You know that I'm not give her a no, no smartphone she's gonna villainous. One time she told me. I made a powerful enemy when I wouldn't give her a father, oh wow and I'd never happened Somebody did make a powerful. Recently, though, didn't yeah and a sore about it. I don't want a real Conway all right now. I could vent you and I'm in a better place, decide about mostly by Allister's Jes you just to make absolutely clear the thing that we're alluding to

doesn't matter in the grand scheme of problems. We are today talking about something that related to an earlier pie. Castro did right into the future of inequality. Now he came back to do the future of poverty, and so first we have to ask ourselves nor what what is poverty, young people? We talk to our help. Oh, ok, full disclosure for everybody, the slight jump you just heard was an edit because off a fair man, convince me that if everybody is talking about first war problem, I should talk about one too so difficult, because I fear is knowing might have the edit parts of this, because I know that you hold it in so I think but it s also mail from me. I was ordering full disclosure is we're doing some comics agree. Novel set from a serious that no turned aside to called, lock and key

it's fantastic waiting days? pretty sure some, burning issues of any stole it and there's this range. You know that we are seeing that movie, Brazil. Going through tightly, I have the packet packing. There's a tracking number, and I have all my didn't bureaucratic red tape. Ducks in a row and these people these people they just pusher, It's no help in the end there well says losing all will. Then it says it was because you came and picked it up in a signal I was with myself the whole time. I didn't go anywhere, you know, there's no sleep walking me right way. I'm not a somnambulist. Whatever will therefore feeling where you really you're gonna get it you're gonna get to get back into the story. They even way Four and NOS nine

such as stupid problem. They have euro, considering where would they I had? this story already encounters so many things we already have right or to have a phone where's possible too. All oppose office right already phone, where it's possible to call the people are supposed to be shipping. It already had a little bit act, scratch some graphic novels of all things in an economic system, an internet connection, not him as a crime against not dimension a shipping service that can send you think, oh yeah, totally your age. It has been very small minded and Brad Asian and stupid and spoiled. We talked about the hard on yourself, but above all we talked about real problems. Are we talking about the future of inequality in a previous podcast that you should check You don't have to listen to it to several we're talking about today, but it will help sort of pink the picture.

People, spend a lot of time asking how much money a person needs to live right, you see, marshals. Reversing the commercials feels for a dollar a day right, and this leads us to ask. What is poverty was poverty? How it defined whose defining it creates general. I guess we basically have understanding a part of a party is by tonight. I'll terms, its state of being poor, not sing adequate resources, whether in terms of money or basic needs that need to be men, such as food, water, shelter, medical services, the yards to go? He because this doesn't one person's poor is another person's wealth or another person's pension right. I guess it's, it's a wildly different across the world? We end. One of the hardest things we found in researching. This is its therein

decisions that are global, that are trying to kind of say what, if we look at poverty globally. What does it look like and then you're having to go down to each separate country, each separate region in each country and say well? What is poverty mean here and in trying to put say a dollar amount, like the? U N does the World Bank tries to put a dollar amount a day for how much a person must make or must not make to be considered poor or not right, yet is there there degrees of poverty is well. What we are talking about specifically will be extreme poverty this is measured, as you said, met in absolute terms mean people being on less than a dollar a day. I used to be a dollar twenty five day then went up to a dollar ninety cents a day World Bank users as a benchmark for these poverty statistics and yes this very wide,

but, ladies and gentlemen, we are happy to say there is good news, at least at the beginning of this, which is over time, the pot per cent of the population with extreme poverty has been in decline, Yeah, that's right, one of the one of its members we're looking. I was that in nineteen eighty one according to the World Bank, there were think forty four percent of human beings and the global population were considered to be below the poverty line. Then in nineteen ninety it was thirty. Seven percent then jump all the way up to two thousand twelve and we are currently at twelve point, seven percent, but even that's declining. That's yes, that's two, dozen twelve and hopefully weird twenty fifteen. I think the most recent estimates,

Let's see that it is good that the fourteen percent in two thousand fifteen, according to that is the Mdgs report, twenty fifteen summary, which is the United Nations Millennium development goals. That's their law summary from the last year that that was that we should prototype road. The millennia development goals are phenomena jumped out. Well, yes, said about it, so the United Nations, on the at the suggestion of then secretary at the time of Louis Kofi Annan, I decided the day would set forth. These odd goals on one of those goals was the eradication of extreme poverty. I ve met some of those benches- there and there still working on it. But what we're talking about now when it like, as we kick roundly statistics, is that if this were a game, the rule the game are changing.

While the game is, while the game is up to you, oh yeah, so we see that. We see the poverty. Doesn't necessarily mean the same, the same thing across the planet: I also see that, despite the wide misunderstanding and some of the key Agendas are alleged The agenda is that we will be discussing here despite all the stuff and the dwindling of extreme poverty, the numbers are still The numbers are still bad, not being inaction. Poverty does not mean Europe in any way, shape or form necessarily doing. Well, oh This means that you are not extremely impoverish. I soup let's say: listen those factors that we talk about the future of poverty. We talk also about the factors affecting

which are not necessarily what you might think. Ladies and gentlemen, we are talking about the big stuff right. One of the factors that I hadn't really thought about and how much affected would have on poverty globally is climate change and how it's going to be, Believe me, it's gonna make a lot more people more poor if you think about rising sea levels, if you think about whether an catastrophes that are going to be occurring at higher and higher frequencies early stage are projected to take place at higher frequencies thing too. The agrarian economies- oh yeah, droughts, fires there. All these things that are no at least equal, to the science being affected by global climate change, welders, yeah, that's it point. There is a double whammy there as well. Look. I know that the ideas.

Ideas. Circling around environmental catastrophes are often politicized, so let's just look at it from a geographical place years. Why? I called a double way: because the areas of the world that are being affected most by these things are typically in developing regions of the world, which me there's not much infrastructure. The states involved and the people affected don't have some of the same safeguards or safety nets, for instance Bangladesh, there's gonna, be a lot of problems with flooding gather already a lot of problems, and we can. I saw what there is to be done internally in Bangladesh, in what kind of safeguards there are end. I mean it's only gonna get worse. You, some Pacific nations, are already worried about. Keen on the water with in our lifetimes. This could create something that I think this is very strange,

and I never thought this would happen- suddenly called climate refugees where you have to where you currently live in order to either be at a higher elevation of you wear a place, a place where food is available. Right lay to your point know if there's no agrarian economy and people depend upon that for sustenance and livelihood. When that land is on arable, then they have to go. They can't there's not another option. Just quickly specifically? That study was saying that there are. There could be another one hundred million people who, I guess included, are added to the number of those who are extreme in extreme poverty. In the next fifteen years, especially in Sub Saharan Africa and South Asia deserve the place that are most at risk. Right, yes, and with that continuing, I think we should also note the future of inequalities skyrocketing in certain parts of the world. Our

country included on the list, but there's this other thing that maybe it will make for a different show in the future, but we should talk about it. Now. Technology you guys times, change here. Couple this occurred to me around technology. I was asleep tune and pr peace, a marketplace covered as you and I wish you could run groups- will be more specific about it, but they reference standard was really interested me that folks in lower income brackets, are more likely to get into traffic accidents that can cause them serious health problems, because on a have access to cars with the new safety features so, if you're not making as much money, you might be driving. Car. You might let things lab far as maintenance of that car and you also might be in a car, doesn't have any the newer, like you know, sensors if you tell you when you're out of your lane or like a backup cameras things like that to add to the safety of vehicles

in so doing that to try to figure out what the cellular and actually came upon this sir, on the World Bank website that said huge factor, or at least a fact, until larger than you might think in poverty is automotive accidents so a sort of ties it because a large number of people can actually lose their jobs after serious car accidents for a number of reasons, whether its health, a healthy functions required to do their job anymore. Maybe they warn insured operating and they are now daily and dad dealing with all kinds of medical bills and goes on to takes longer for victims of road crashes to find jobs, because the new the criteria is getting much more civic! If they actually have some serious injuries, and then you know there is huge income, gas from victims of travel crashes and non victim. So if, for example, you are at fault in a traffic accident and then you don't have adequate insurance. Are you

only real life, because Liar House can spiral out of control enemy. I think that is definitely in the technology factor, maybe not in the way that you're going with it, but I think the definition of think about a suggested, I think its eyes imperfectly, because it is something that we don't consider and it is in two the future poverty, because in some parts of the world you have to have some sort of transportation. You can have a car right in a cell phone and still leads dreamily poor, especially in a country where its necessity, doubtless things and the other thing It was I'm with technology. Here freezing automation are. We gonna get to a point where most of the jobs that are done by humans. Now, just don't need to. We don't need those people to work. I you know is very strong,

I was actually looking at Marshall Brains website for this who is Lee the founder of House, the words I come, the safer, which we work. His idea, Thomas yeah, exactly Mr Murphy Brain will he he writes about this stuff. What about automation and robotics in the future. What is gonna? Look like the first thing that he says it. That's going to be the first. That's going to be driven out through automation, he says, are truck. Drivers will be He thinks there are going to be automated trucks going all over the United States, delivering everything. Unfortunately, I mean does seem like that. One of the things that is just a matter of time I mean we know that self driving Where's exist You know in data testing that are damn good and you now, you just turn scale technology and put our fleet

but the thing is that job of being a truck driver, That's actually a fairly. I mean it's not amazingly lucrative, but it's a pretty darn good, steady job that you can get us. Very kind of Amerika, job. If you think about it, I mean it's a very like kind of grass roots kind of like in a working. Man stopped job. Well, yeah, it's! So, let's take these three large concepts and, let's port worst hypothetical picture doesn't have the necessarily be in the states, but, let's say person all given the name in it. If I use your name accidently listeners, I promise it's not on purpose let's say SAM right sure SAM So let's see that SAM grew up on a far shame grows up arm and becomes a truck driver right and this is so people can drive their own tracks. I like

SAM's that doing so well Cosette paying that well right and he can't afford the inch. And see the actual price. You have two pages since private life do you have, manually driven car, which is gonna, be more expensive, and that also means that he's it fall to the next curse. Some accident occurs and he can't he can't get back in tracking industry because he has at one striking trucks. Increasingly automated they dont need is energy Henry situation: they don't need a human driver, so it goes back to childhood farm, but that's not there, because they the desertification as occurred or whatever in the land as road at it's no longer arable and then in this disturbing in future our boy SAM into joining. Millions of other people who

have no job, there's no plausible, employ them We would live in the sounds like such a cypher soil, black mere, but we live in a place where the only people power and the only people, jobs or the people on the machines in repair them. That's one reason the black near some excellent, because its incredibly prescience in that way I mean the scenarios that it when it depicts are based on very real problems and very real technological situations that are reaching critical mass and that could have. Surely lead to some this Toby untenable situation and we describe. That is to me, because I think this is like like a one day. There are children and one day there are no more truck drivers, but you're right, it would be like a more gradual process or people would gradually would be more and more difficult to pay for the insurance and to actually do it. The old way room sort of like with cabs and Neuber. Right now, for example, that's that.

Pretty good point- and it is his turning point too so with but think Guys- not all hope- is lost for salmon his countrymen because he lives in a place where yes the crumbling infrastructure. Maybe yes, there's a corrupt government, there's not enough employment to go round, but what, if a friendly international agency dedicated entirely to the elimination of extreme poverty showed up and said, hey will help you out here's the safety net. Here's the safety net you wanted pay is back in. Oh just a couple will give you some money, it's alone, no stress I just all things go along with the world's standard business, where I can buy like a mafia, ask organization the o, We are talking about the World Bank and

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Damn, for instance, years alone, to build a project of great infrastructure rights and these loans, or attached often with conditions in these can do plans are meant to better the economic state of the country so For instance, corruption is a big problem and allow developing countries and its big problem everywhere. But it's a big problem in developing countries, different types of corruption, different types, that's right and what the bank will do in We to combat that, for instance, would say well we're taking. We need to privatized so your industries, because right now their state run and corrupt, which you always, unfortunately, common problem so with there sure goal being the reduction of poverty through this kind of capital, ass, winning capital programmes. They are in

a part of the United Nations there by the World Bank group, which is part of the United Nations Development Group, and they ve had some hits. They ve had Missus Dave. In accused the times are pursuing a free market ideology that flies in the face. Results so Guinea error of a lot of passionate evaded smart people to say I know will work, and so do this As I know, the result, even though I haven't done it before or even though before the exact same way and it had a horrible result. I'm gonna do it again we're because it my workers worked assembled in part of this too, to be completely fair, and these are huge problems. You know what I mean this is now This is not something that any group could get right all the time You're trying on a global scale to fix economies mean that's,

I don't know there are many more lofty goals besides getting humans to Mars, for our they met. Are they trying to fix the economy? Well, that's the questionnaire, people on, let's say the outskirts, who say no. There actually trying to perhaps destabilize certain areas of the world into going and maybe gain a little more control. For global institution like the World Bank again on the fringes we circle back to our hypothetical farmer, situate, regular and SAM okay. So SAM is one of the people affected and has been display Tis Trucker job is no more right, is tracker job a war, the farm sky, coming back to the homestead, nothing, not therein, tumble way too and so the World Bank comes There are any, roads. Their own disrepair there could be.

The US and potential to make new farm land was an irrigation projects right. We need money for that right. We need money for that and we need expertise. We need engineers, because a lot of the engineers have left the country for better paid jobs. Elsewhere there was a brain drain so either obeying comes in and says says, will would give us one more build this infrastructure projects and will make. We will increase the gdp of the country where the gross domestic product, we will kick start the economic growth. This country will go from stagnating to develop again and one day who knows, maybe you can t sing of war, I don't know that the queen. Always the World Bank is at the benchmark, so the target well Euro Singapore is a little. Tearing. But it's it's a pretty queen country, apparently so here's where things start to go wrong.

They say well, our building a stem. This irrigation project that can bring this farm land back. I knew SAM, and all your neighbors after move get out. Clear wind. We need in this area to work right. I mean you gotta get out here. We can at least tell you out those that how we roll ideally, but what it says, I don't wanna, go then Samuel be forcibly relocated. At least this happened before where where people are forced to get out, and yet happen. In any situation you, a state can, in many cases impose impose itself upon private property rights, happens in the states. I want to go imminent domain, a k, the reason that the roads can widening dear yard right. So Here are some of the criticisms that people say

Voting on these are all these are. Necessarily you too The idea of an orchestra conspiracy, not one of the more ardent Chris of the World Bank its former chief economist Joseph Stiglitz. I thought you were say stolen his elsewhere. So solid. Sorry, so This is your here. You'll hear people argue on side you'll hear some people. I read a very interesting thing where a guy accuse the World Bank. Being a socialist collectivist thing I and then other criticisms, of course, more criticism with it being a too far. Aren't you like a NEO liberal idea of the free market economy right that the invisible hand will guide people to civilization, but signalled said that the policies the bank implements happen too quickly and its referred

was shock therapy, but it's in the wrong, it's in the wrong sequence and that the bank Enterprising GDP over nothing else. So if there's a higher gdp that doesn't necessarily when economy, is good for a country, It doesn't necessarily mean the economy is good for the people in that country. Right I am not arguing for any political thing, that's just a fact, and so Stiglitz saying that These two ideas should not be conflated he's saying. Is he saying there's a maybe a degree of honest error in the implementation of this policy? but then other people are saying no de, international- that dialogue and the World Bank function as these tools of control as a way to keep cheap other,

states in subservient positions or even to practise resource extraction. And it strange because the I met in the eyes of the World Bank cracked, something called the washing consensus, which is where they decided that the World Bank will also institute these policies of privatisation and deregulation. Stuff like that Stiglitz subject to it then said, That is it hasn't. It hasn't worked out that it. Moreover, of people wanting I say to you to be true and maybe they're doing it. Way, he since says that the chilly success. A lot of people were proponents of the Washington Hence I believe that Chile is a success story economically because of World Bank. I am a policy. Stick however, says that it's because they had state ownership of key industries ticklish for industry, so the state still owned. The resources

Other people wildly disagree that that's why it happened, but that's the thing about the dismal site economics in older people can argue back and forth. All day. I can see that argument where, if, if Julia owned, they owned the copper industry in their country, they could use money coming in from that to perhaps bolster certain parts of their economy right of health. Some things out internally, rather than having this giant loan from the World Bank their having to pay off anyway, so this goes back to an earlier thing we talked about before, to which was to banks run the world. Yes, yes, Mary you believe in this. I see the strings everywhere. Man There is a lot of undue influence, their bullets. Seen in its difficult outside of apparently Iceland, it's difficult to regulate bacon industries, but I also see that the World Bank,

In my opinion, the World Bank has hard working people in it, just like any other industry in their trying they're trying to make the world a better place. But if we look at the future of poverty, right, and we ask ourselves why There is a larger concentration and poverty in certain places. Sub Saharan Africa is actually gaining more impoverished people, while the rest of the world is doing a little bit better and better and better and so I'm wondering I am asking you guys and I'm asking you listening as well. Do you think that the World Bank is tool of some sort of over Our key thing right we talked about. In our video episode. We talk about a different world to allege that the World Bank is on hand in hand with, genes. Agencies like will build a dam for you or

they usually do better villain voiced about the great like that. I was gonna tell you going on here. We're source. It's a fascinating point were verging on here, however, because the World Bank has reference, excuse me over a hundred and eighty countries, however its controlled, by a small amount of countries, the president of the world. Traditionally has always been american in the present. The I m F traditionally has always been european and a gun structure. The bank is not democratic there, this there, An interesting idea is that the funding members of the bank or to deal where it's one dollar one vote therefore, the more money you contribute to the World Bank, the more control you have over the org nation, that's why China? India might represent around four.

Percent of the world's population, but only five percent of the votes at the World Bank whereas six countries, the? U S, Canada, Japan, Germany, the UK, France Control about forty five hours the decision making power and it's not required to reveal its internal documents you can, if it was funny doesn't have to others. Why I keep talking. I apologise for this keep talking about the loans, There is one kind of alone, but there are three the first project loan that We talk about dams and power plants in copper, mines and stuff, the site the sector adjustment loan. That's that's, where a support, specific powers, see changes in an industrial sector, for instance a third the one that you hear a lot when it comes to those changes of deregulated Eau de regulation,

privatisation is the one that is. These structural adjustment programme the short term support change for major policy changes, so I don't know, I know this is kind of dry, but this time to the future of poverty because, we are looking at a world within your lifetime listeners we're looking at a world where it's quite possible. It's quite possible poverty becomes eliminated. If, if this group is, actually pursuing their goals. No, I mean in their allotted Ngos, train to the same thing non governmental organizations. But what are you guys think like? Do you think critics have some on grain of truth in their critics. This is the World Bank a wolf in Sheep's clothing, but there's a lot of fear about global organizations like this and we

spoke about the millennium development goals that the U N had put forward in two thousand that lasted up until two thousand fifteen. This year. They got replaced by these sustainable development goals, yet and I'm not going to read some of these off. Just to give you the idea of the let's see the goals for good. There are being put forth by the United Nations, one no power that's the one that we are talking about, and that was number one at the top of the millennium development goals, which was and back then it was eradicate extreme poverty and hunger. Now it's just no poverty, we're getting till it. It's done. Two is zero hunger review, which is really good, we want to look at good health and well being quality education, gender equality, clean water and sanitation all the way down to our climate action reduced inequality.

Throughout the world, and these are some huge lofty goals, but as we can from the millennium development goals. They did pretty well, at least who knows if they, the? U N, actually did all of the things to cause this. My world bank still having a Global organization, with those goals and and actively pursuing to rid the world of these terrible things, I mean, I think it's pretty great but on the same side to the other side of that coin, I think it is probably not going to be very effective on a global scale, again is: are these institutions make a change in the world or are they just enforcing a new call a clue? he'll status quo? That's a huge Pascal. How it feels to me in some sense yeah view was that working from home conference cause your stuff

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a lot of times. When I see the bigger limitations trying to make these big changes may involve you no kind of backroom deal type scenarios. We wonder you know where their motivations actually lie. Yeah yeah, that's true, then also its it's tough to guess, because there's ops, few cases in the internal documents right and it also took the guests- it's a new kind of thing. It's it's one of the first kind of entities doing this for this long right, but they ve been we are doing. They ve been accused of pursuing you're motors clearly, and I am sure there are multiple sites, the story, because, of course the bank is dealing with the corrupt places at the time but the allegation that the bank itself, that is corrupt desire, I've just gives its not crazy. It's not,

easy that people with a lot of power would play some underhand amendment I mean and corruption begets more corrupt, If you're working situation we can get away with something because of you know the status quo of that particular situation. Certain type of person might take advantage. Yeah That's a good point you. So I guess, though, we have to look at it in a great balance scale. On one side, we have the good. That's me done right and then the other side. We the latter sketchy stuff, so do we make the call about well when we make the call about whether this is a good thing, and listeners, especially if you listen and foreign country. What is your country's experience these institutions? We want to hear from you. And just to show you how oh man? I wish we had time to check all of that.

Listener mail from the last episode. Oh, we have, we got so much actually have a list of all the people who wrote to us. You have such a good, I'm just going to read them out at some point or do we have selection, I have available. I have one in particular that I want to shout out but you everyone for writing, of writing to us about sleep, sleep, paralysis, nigh terrors, shadow people, all that stuff, all kinds of just really interesting stories about sleep in what you experience when it happens, because sleep to us and dreaming, I think of the three of us in this room- is fascinating. Subject already, just the idea that we we deactivate for hours and hours and hours at a time every day. Still we are to us Thank you, Jessica. Liz JAMA, a J, Dwayne, Andy Michael Sean, an shown her Vanessa Tom Ellie Jasper,

George Lazy, finally yoga. Who did something that I am not aware. Anyone else has done so far. Show its first. She Yes, Eve Voice message: she was listening, are shorter car and she pulled out beside the road and decided to record a message and sent it to us thought those pretty awesome, so We're just gonna go ahead and listen to the story that she's telling about experience. She had back in the day. Hey guys I was listening. To sleep paralysis, podcast and, while driving at the story about the guy sleeping with the two. Laws and then having. Where little episode, I remember a while What kind of a similar thing happening to me? So I however, my family and two story house- and then there is I kind of like three.

There's that go down to a lower level. I guess he would say. My brother, my older brother. He lived in the room down at the lower level. The house now he kept complaining about, where things happening to him or he would you know, wake up in one at one point he soon like something extremely demonic in the corner of his room, and I was just No, I don't believe you at all like this is just crazy. I don't believe you and doing room was set up. Was there is like a family room downstairs and then right connected to the same was his bedroom I remember being like half asleep on the couch and he looks over it mean he's like hey are you sure you want to sleep down here and I'm way me why he's just like, Ok, you all something's gonna happen, and I'm just like. Ok like this, I just was not believing him.

All in India. The Sarkozy said anyway, I fell asleep and I don't know how long I was asleep for, but I do remember like winning my eyes, and it was. It was away sensation. To like me away. But not be awake, cannot not be able to move or get up when you want to get up just so we failing is never happened. To me before I remember this man, like standing behind me. So I could hear him I could hear where he was standing by. They couldn't see him and he saying you know. I know you you don't know me a lot of people they say like when they see needs really is frightened them and they get really scared and their knees, I've been watching you for a while, and he showed me like a bunch of pictures of me like just doing everyday scenes are getting out of Charlotte, really weird and then does so. Do I look at me- and I am I said: no

why. My I want to just remember like squeezing my eyes and like filling the weirdest force like on my head. Pushing me down and trying to opened my eyes and it was like the scariest like I'm shaking thinking monetary now, and then I just kept trying to raise. And finally I woke up- and I ran upstairs and now I welcome my mother had the time and I told her what had happened and she's just shocked, doesn't know how to react and she's like wall. Let's go get your brother and see how he's doing, and While we are walking down stairs he's, rushing upstairs and he's freaking out, I mean we're like were happening, he's, like I just remember, I'm sleeping just filling completely drained and here in the next room, a man talking. Yeah, I'm about some. I couldn't understand what she was. He was saying, but I heard how like deep his voice. Wasn't it freaking me out. I just was

energy and then I right when I called wake up then ran upstairs so take it, you want it, but that was awareness, weirdest thing What happened to me and I think that what really valid for me was the fact that my brother off heard what was going on in the other room, so I know something happened that night, I don't know exactly what it was, but I just They say like I don't do that These are like mass I'd, really in doing so, I just thought out are there. Any was scared of a weird story so hard for me to like riding in an email on asylum But I thought that you guys know. I love you. Fine can keep it. Thank you. However, I will simply creevy experience. I wouldn't I wouldn't want to go through that wonder if they haven't any other time, though, or something so it says that was pretty much it. But now indeed the rowers muscle weather.

I don't know, but maybe we will hear from the brother also also love the elevator who an audio files, if you, if you would like to you that we'd love to hear from you So I guess I want to follow that up. I've got three guys online game had the first one is much a wise of values, audio message can I wanted to show that we got a pretty cool collection that looked at both that sort of eggs that good examples of both sides of the sleep paralysis, a discussion surrounding yellow variety. So here's one from and she described her first experiences. Thus, first time, seriously paralysis. I was taking a nap after class and preparing for a late shift at work when I quote awoke end quote I couldn't move, but I could see my room as I was lying in my bed. I was

side and could see multiple white shadows were quickly floating across my room back and forth and disappearing through the walls. I was petrified and wanted to run and scream, but could not move and had trouble breathing. At this point in my life, I had no idea what had happened and figured. It was just a very, very vivid night man, a few weeks later, had a similar episodes. I was in the same exact position, except this time. There was an attic door in the ceiling of my room, the act or partly opened, and things were being thrown That's not even saw an arm again very tariff I am I couldn't move or make a sound, and my chest felt tight recurring thing going on you yes pressing, now pushing the life out of you. Now that I looked If a situation, I dont know what to think of it. There were so many factors, scientific, an supernatural that affected my life. So Now I want to say I want to follow up man with this one sort of that fear tat.

Kind of scenario. And now I've got a couple that sort of show a different angle on law Thirdly, because both of these folks report very specifically browser situations like we talked about, but they are kind of at peace with them. I thought that was released. The first one comes from George, and am forgive me if I take on a bit of a voice when I revision gender equality as wonderful as very compelling the pros here, gentlemen, I like I understand you live busy lies, will endeavour to keep this concise money George and I assume from the episode and sleep roused as you may be interested in a first hand, story on the matter, I'll start by saying happened to me many times and I am a firm believer. It is just a crazy and amazing interplay between our brain and body. Some of my experiences have seemed very dark or sinister in nature, but it was only at the very beginning. I thought they were other worldly knock over them. Thing is pretty one email, but I'm an agreed is first example here. The first occur I can remember his sharp detail. I was twenty three years

in San attending. My son or technical school, having been in the U S Navy for just over a year. It was like me the classic stories I felt fully awaken unable to move. When I came to censor dark intent in the room with me, I could feel something crawling up from the foot of my bed very suddenly, an intensely pressing down my chest ass. If trying to force all the air from my lungs and crush me, the feeling of being completely immobile suffering what you think is impending death, but at the same time, mentally awake and screaming. In your mind, is such a foreign experience in our mundane daily lives that it borders on the unexplainable simply said it is terrifying, on alone makes you feel like a little child again, hoping your mother or father will rush in and chase away the darkness, wonderful, here's where it gets interesting. I am one of those weirdos actually enjoys when this happens. To me. Georgia's word someone I quickly dry.

The notion that I was being haunted and grew to see it more as an extension of the lucid dreaming state living in a place and time where everything has a logical purpose and science rules the day it's fun to have the rules. Reality bent a little because your brain thinks you're awake when you are really in asleep limbo, love the pot cast respectfully George. I love that George, because it makes me feel less bad about wanting to experience it, and I think it's interesting because he has both sides of the coin through experience in our aim has any and he can splendid away and is probably leaning towards more of it being like a relic super. Revenge of some kind and the more he experiences it the more it's just fascinate him and then the more he realises this is you know an extension

his mind and he is experiencing. It ended something that you would normally experience Zob. I you know he's not taken for granted as pretty awesome speedily. Rational, like George, so for my second one, this person has to remain anonymous. Somebody's going to read one of his or her experiences, I had my first shadow prison, dance. When I was about fifteen at a summer camp, I was sleeping the top bunker room with eight other people, and suddenly I opened my eyes and saw a black shadow floating over me. I was star but, unlike the panic reaction of many others, my next feeling was a complete certainty. This entity was watching over me like a mother and making sure I was ok. A second later all the way- and I went back to sleep another night camp- I woke up very suddenly and saw a similar shadowy figure in the opposite corner of the room. I still get these once in a while and its change, but I'm not afraid it all. I still be afraid actually there I mean you can look at it so many different ways again. I like this kind of God.

He's your version of it. I mean you know any, even if its associated with kind of a negative experience, I think it's interesting to be able to see both sides are something like them. That's why I like George and this enormous, since letters. While you know I will we did this episode, I didn't know that it would strike a chord with the summary. Sat there listening some of the most useful, once we have a really yeah of people, just saying hey, yes, I've experienced this. I remember when this happened me the first time about gas- goes the largest number of letters that I've seen generated from a single episode. Fortunately, now is the time no- and I have to Mozart on out of here- why don't we get mosey sneak now? I'm gonna drive home as fast as I can various poop babies, diaper and I can smell it from here you, need to change our diaper, you guys so we're grew. Let me I get it

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