When you first ghosts and government coverings histories, riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back or learn stuff. They don't want you to know. Slavery in fact is doomed in whatever way the war is carried on. We, oh it's no good will its life has been opened and its death will be grateful to the nation, as was that of the old man and the sea to sin that comes to us from the New York Times March. Seventeen eighteen sixty two welcome back to the show everyone. My name is met and I've been and we are joined, as always

our super producer? No Magnum Mission, Brown man, you mission, yeah man, you mission or monuments, be man emitted being freed from slavery, essentially, ok, emancipated some senses of the word. This week we have in taking a look at slavery knife. The historical part by video, they comes out thirty three. Facts about modern slavery, which we shot in front of the Lincoln Memorial less. We did you know. Lincoln will be discussed in perhaps a little later in this episode, but me his his and his the people that worked with him. The emancipation proclamation It is cited as ending slavery in the United States. Of course, we know historically that Slavery, didn't just drop off immediately re everything wasn't hunky dory when President

one issue: the Emancipation proclamation. It was January. First, eighteen, sixty three. This was the third year of civil war. This proclamation famously declared that all persons, The slaves within the rebellious, confederate states are and henceforward shall be free Matt. You, you ve, made a great point that this was not near as complete, nor swift in ending as it should have been. So you and I know, are recording this in the United States, a country with a horrific history of slavery- and the lingering effects of this practice can still be seen across the culture today, and this is not. This is not a political point. This is a factor in arguable that the and of the end of slavery was not.

As concise nor as abrupt as the Emancipation proclamation aimed for it to be the sleeve indeed, in North America, still not as large as the trade in South America, and if you there's it there's a great program called in Latin America, which makes a case that Mexico and Peru imported or african slaves than the United States yea sites that between fifteen or two and eighteen, sixty six, that there were eleven point two million Africans in imported into those freeze like forcibly, kidnap, Dagon, yeah that'd and in the United. There were only around four hundred and fifty thousand here and there

rest were in Latin America and the Caribbean as early as the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, this was a long running practice and the struggle for equality, post emancipation, information continued through Jim Crow laws in the ballot test for voting tat still where people were? people were allowed to vote on paper, if they could decipher Mandarin and things like that, and then the struggle for civil rights and equality, and then are you it's up to voting rights, laws and needing ideas for certain things, up: laws being imprisoned. Man, you know if you're, if you ve been charged with a felony, certain things? You can do likewise vote right, what time

an end. That's it that's interesting question that you and I have kicked round off the air before what will change about the political climate in the? U s. If felons were allowed to vote as so we talked about some, stuff in and now we're talking about the future our look at human trafficking slavery, which are there's a nuance there. They are different things it brought us to this question: asking today with what's the state of human trafficking and slavery today, what's the future of slavery and to answer that we have we have to pass the couple myths and walked through some statistics The first thing we should point to hear is that, as we said slavery and human trafficking did not stop by any means throughout the world. At that time it had existed.

To the Emancipation proclamation for thousands of years, and it continues today until two thousand and fifteen right now right and it will probably continue as well. According to the International Labour Organisation, they did a report in two thousand twelve and they found that three out of every thousand people in world are in some form of forced labour and others. An important point that we are going to make about the statistics later, but Now we're just gonna give you some of these findings and one of those two too is that there are nearly twenty one million people who are in this kind of forced labour, including one five million in North America in this part of one definitions. There are two categories of human trafficking in the: U S, at least by definition, their sex trafficking and then there's labour trafficking.

And that is as defined by the victims of trafficking and violence protection ACT from two thousand right This brings us to another. This brings us to something that should be explored because- The line between labour and trafficking. Or enslaved. Indentured servitude is not as stark as people might think. There's there's a big misconception. The majority of people who are enslaved are enslaved for sexual purposes. However, it seems that from the numbers we can find them Jordi of people who are enslaved are enslaved in a forced labour, situation in the? U S, many of the victims of trafficking in them. Working. As you know, domestic workers, or even in a restaurant industry- or you can hear about of force labour in agricultural feel secure

research. There is all there are a lot more people enforced working a stronger than I would have ever imagined, right, yeah, so There's there, different stuff there too, because what is the lying between actual force neighbor, is forced labour, something where you are paid but irregularly paid or is it something where you are locked down and forced to do something by someone who possesses your vital? arguments or somebody get you deported. So there's there's a thing here about Erica's immigration policy and you'll hear lotta? Ngos say that Workers approach to immigration can be strengthened. The system of human trafficking and, of course I know

this- can be a very charged topic for people, not just in the U S, but also in Europe, for instance, the current. U S, guesswork ram has led to a host of problems for immigrants right. You might remember that human rights violations that were exposed in New Orleans, which led to the creation of the National Guest Workers Alliance two you'll find some sort of strength. Numbers and there's a fantastic. Both you carry called life, interrupted trafficking into forced labour in the United States by a professor name, Denise Brennan when she says that, contrary to claims that modern day slavery is all around us, the politically thorny reality is that exploited, migrant labour is all around us most workers are not in a situation of extreme abuse there, not technically traffic, that they work, and conditions in a kind of labour purgatory theirs

immigration or leave for protection for being almost trafficked in this professors. Who is that the current price? of immigration, deportation, those those rules, make it impossible to fight trafficking and this this is strange because the just number of human trafficking. This is not necessarily slavery. Right, big, overtaking someone forcibly to another place right, the them largest number of those that are reported, our sex trafficking. But how to decide how to support these victims or some is labelled. A victim is still a subject in debate right now, because You'll hear people talk about an end. This is this is dark topic right. This is near,

his young grisly, pleasant thing, but you're here people talk about the practice of survival. Having having sexual Congress with someone for you safety if you're homeless or if you China's arrive in a faster than foster care situation. So it's it's you you that currently in the: U S there, there could be better programmes, and support for people are survivors of human trafficking. This is, I know, we're being very specific to the: U S maybe let's make it a little bit broader and let's look at the world over all. Where in some cases us very, is more or less tacitly condoned by the government right. That's a big question right when we look at

we look at slavery across the world. We have to say wait despite this constant work from Ngos and governments today, Slavery still continues, and we have some. We have some pleasant news in this. In this regard, we one of the more brutal things that you hear mine that inside this topic is that there are more slaves that exist today on planet earth than ever before, and there a couple of things that work into that statement. Right, yeah cause that number comes from absolute numbers right, yet not as a percentage of the population lounges raw human life. Because there are a lot of us humans walking around right now, and some others Some of the people walking around let's say, don't take issue with things like putting someone in slavery, and that is a horrible

to think about, but there are human beings walking around right now that don't they dont mind so much, I guess, or their people who grow up in a situation where, because their parents were enslaved, they are also Modern day slavery differs from the traditional slavery, traditional slavery, is illegal in each of the hundred and sixty seven countries listed in the global slavery index under trips, slavery, these people were considered property, not people, but things But modern slavery is more about the possession or control of a person in a way that deprives them of their rights, so there there is a slight difference in that exist in each of the hundred and sixty seven nations that are part of this index and only five countries, five countries alone count for all. For about sixty one percent of people living

modern slavery yet in- has the highest number of people living in modern slavery. Right now estimated to be at over Fort million and one of the exam All of them is: are they killed workers and you listen may have seen something on vice or recently humans of New York peace on the killing workers and what they go through its systematic situation? Where your worker from Bangladesh, and you want to hear about your family and you want to make some money. This person comes in the town and says hey we can give, job. Let's say anything: We can give you the job and you're gonna make a certain amount of money. You ll be able to send it back Your family it'll be great. We just need some money to get you over here to do this kind of thing happens in Dubai couple or places like this shore of four different kind of work, and then you show up for work.

Then you find, I await they. Just they took my passport that's gonna we are now. How am I going to get back to my family? standing at all, you you'll get them back after you, ve paid off your debts rise of, then you know you're having to pay off you're the original lonelier give in the hands of interest and you're. Not he as much money as you thought you were going to make and you end up being stuck there. Yet another another whale again would be some of the cultural expectations allotted time to people who slave holders? Are you? terms that try to avoid it like what we're talking about with the killer workers, his debt bondage. Here right, you have to pay off your debt or bonded labour or attached labour people who live. A property that someone owns and therefore their part of the property, the same way the fields the trees in the buildings are or he'll, indentured servitude, winners,

nasty nasty fact thee the last country in the world to abolish slavery. Was Mauritania in night tool. Eighty one chief and this, of course, still continued at the time there, there are other people in The agenda, who are our though enslaved and slave status is passed down through the generations. So if your. Mother or your father was a slave and you, too can be born a slave. This. This abominable practice continues And then it also brings us to the question I like that you mentioned guest workers right cheap from Indonesia, perhaps for the Philippines, who were brought to middle eastern countries under the pretence that they will be

given job opportunities that do not exist. Somebody's euphemistic words were euphemisms that are used with their service nefarious right. It is an EU. As you said, these people may have their passports taken by their their sponsor their employer and then forced to live in horrific visions exposed to assault exposed to expose the beatings, Sexual harassment is rampant. Things more than her ass. Well, yeah, oh yeah. It's sorry, it's our from either even imagine the horrors that people have to go through other stuff and in oh and just back with Mauritania, while

India has the highest population estimated to be in slavery in terms of numbers. Mauritania has the largest percentage. As of two thousand fourteen four percent of Mauritania population can be considered enslaved. While for this? This is not to say that other countries are perfect themselves you can read the list of the countries with the most slaves, which is just a terrible run down that we can do. I dont know if we're going to laundry list that, but there is another factor here which is given the larger number of slaves in absolute terms as I we may have mentioned in the video to slaves are cheaper than ever before now near.

I think you pointed to work did we say while chattel slavery was the normal thing in the United States. If you do that visions of money back in those days toward would be now a bite. Person averaged around forty thousand: U S dollars and Nowadays, with modern money, you d, I think the average was around nine. Nine zero dollars right and if we look at a pie graph, fifty five percent of slavery, Victor these are women and girls, whereas forty five armed men and boys and as I was saying earlier, a lot of things feeling there being acquainted together: there is there there big difference in some of these numbers, because you know, if you throw

altogether in one big thing away. Some of these numbers are it's not taken. Into account the exact situation right in every every situation with this is different, more time Abounded. Labour versus guesswork as we in wandered bonded labour there's their differences there. Even and their differ differences through all of this and. Here, I think, there's a washing imposed article. You can find that discusses the minutiae of some of the statistics on their right. Yet to did this may seem like a cold question, but it is question that must be asked witches if a if an NGO exists to fight slavery right Where are the numbers drive from noise have to question sources and then is it small that there is exaggeration, because a lot of these numbers don't agree and that's not to say that, there's

levels or deception on the part of the Ngos make there's not a census right, every read its incredibly difficult to find a complete and accurate number of how many people are enslaved, because, as you can imagine, I met you pointed out it's difficult. To have a sense, and even the idea seems you near horrible, I'm sorry strange. Yet so we're going. Talk some more about the stuff. They don't want. You to know, regarding modern slavery. However, before we do we're going to pause for a word from today's sponsored at this moment forces working with businesses all over the world to adapt

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imagine that you are being tasked with building the structures that are going to hold thousands and thousands of people and me you're only going to be used one summer, one winter who knows, but you have to build them, do it now, yet the then how do you do that in a country that doesnt have rule of or labour. Regulations came out. Recently, you probably read some of the sum the report's regarding the use of slave labour in these enormous construction projects and also we're we're talking about countries that have a close relationships with other there are countries that have real. Strict anti slavery, anti human trafficking laws. Anything that's that's strange right leg in

and the? U S are GEO political partners rare, and in India has over fourteen million people enslaved to day we could also mention, ensure numerous examples spring to mind as you're thinking? this listeners but, for instance, forces were in North Korea right if the, if the court, if the problem of slavery, if this disgusting practice so inherently asking so such anathema to the exist of a modern civilization. Then the question Why is it tolerated? How does it her there there's an excellent reports by the United Nations that you can read for free online detailing the roles of corrupt government officials in assisting acumen African smoke works right,

human trafficking, which also say, is not Knesset again, not necessarily slavery. Its human trafficking when a karaoke takes takes a group of people a legally over a border between Mexico and the? U S, even if the even if the cowardly you know is paid his or her fee, and then just does lay people girl just takes off. It's still. Traffic is still trafficking in its euro smuggling, but the decline and then becomes answer is something very cold and geopolitics which is that, if it going to damage a status quo right for China or the? U S, two or even South Korea, to invade North Korea right and try to liberate people forced labour camps? Then this GEO political calculation hers where people people

the heads of government right people who either are the power or have the ear of power say. Well, you know there are different kinds of evil and which one is worse, is, which is a conversation I have never personally been in, thank goodness by it. Is a conversation that people have and What one of the things that the mind right here that maybe isn't the best thing his listening to let's say certain politicians inside the Eu S who have recently called for a global governance, This is the kind of thing that they would say. This is why we need a global governance who would say, it, doesn't matter what country or- and this is important this can't happen- now that sounds really nice right I know people right now just getting a ring in their ears, because I said global government,

and you know in the idea of that is very scary- and to me it's scary. But at the same time it could mean if we had something like that true governments on that kind of scale. Then maybe you could stop it. That's interesting he soon, because I I wonder if that type of global governance would be possible. We know that We talked about this earlier pie Castle. We talk about secret societies or people trying to control the world from what we can tell the truth of the matter is there are numerous groups, you think they should be controlling the world right at me always constantly trying The end at odds with one another right. It's very much a Highlander king of a hill who makes the ruthless right who watches the watchers Andy. The question is this. What extent I would say to what extent this could actually work, we ve talked before

Dunbar's number, the concept that there is a hot wired limitation in every human brain that limits how many people you can think of as other human beings, which in my mind, In my mind, Is it some difficult propositions when we talk about an elected representative wrapper dream. Anyone over a couple hundred people of thousands of people right and is, is- is there some sort of possibility that a global government would be able to address the atrocity? That is modern slavery. To me, that's a question that will be a great thing to because we still ass a species, have not proven, whether a one world global that would work, and my spider sense tells me that we do not

my spiders and tells me it would work very well for very small, but for most of humanity, it very much up in the air- and I don't know- I don't know very great- why don't you look, I don't know if it could even happened, we're talking about billions of people, how on earth literally. Would this with this occur, how would decisions be made the United Nations already at such a difficult time and the war? old superpowers right then clear powers even often, ignore the? U N, when it doesn't say something it suits them European Union is called currently trying to figure out how to be a government of multiple countries and this question about. Who would

throughout the world you know, financial institutions honestly probably have the best shot financial. The decisions and a coalition of nuclear powered governments. That sounds great. That's us! Yes, I said As you can hear, I did hear the sarcasm, its emanating off you and I'm receive all ok sober, because, in absence of some That would actually have the power to say no, don't do it. Right. We have something like the: U S, which, a lot of times seems to, or at least attempts to act as the global police force. There goes through and says: hey we're, gonna version of it nations on Yucas, we don't like this. What you're doing hey we're gonna invade you, because it is the EU doing an We ve learned through experiences here and listeners. I'm sure you have as well that perhaps does the reasons for doing those things? Aren't necessarily above board right

There is again a calculation at that ten years with this stuff right because having we title, before- and I know that it sounds a bit world weary, but when I hear people saying we're going to go to war leaders at any country, say we're going to war because of our values. I'm kind of suspicious rape. I, because if those values are so sacrosanct, if they are so powerful, then why? do human rights violations continue? You know in every country because the system can be perfect. I Just saying that, I cannot think of an example. Wherein a global government could work, perhaps as technology of It would be some sort of

it would be some sort of way to do it, but, given the distrust rightfully place distrust in something like this, some over our king global empty, I I I don't know the tough, so we ve got it. We got local examples too little, long time was, as you know, that no one I are based house of works in it, which me our cities, primary airport is hard spill jack international airport or recording this in twenty fifteen toward the end of it, distant as our recording time. This is the busiest airport in the. U S blue eye. It is also been a hub of human trafficking, for a few distressingly going to go to war. Leaders at any country say we're going to war because of our values. Then I'm kind of to the airport. You will see

signs about human trafficking. You saw somebody s time. We were there right, yeah, I dont see. I don't see how you tackle them. Problem and is perhaps just because I haven't lived inside of trying to a common I go for a very long, but it seems like such a herculean task to stop it. You have so many human beings going through that massive airport every moment right, yes, the when you fourteen, you can read some reports that are immensely depressing about the airport partnering with GB. I, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, the state level version of the Federal bureau, because there was a report that Atlanta had the biggest space underground sex economy in the nation ass. It puts yet the tuna hundred and ninety million a year?

in the sad thing about a lot of these human trafficking signs is that they are posted eye level so that a child can see the print read. The hundred number will that's enough good right the whole point, and maybe a child could call hopefully yeah and this this and this is one of those- this is one of as things. Sometimes you and I'll get the question where some will say well, who were they In this scenario. Writer, what is the cover up in the cover up appears to be people who are doing the actual tracking trafficking, actual enslaving as well as the officials who are helping them right as their either makings they're making money or there are countries making money more of their prefecture, whatever it is, their tiny. The region is making my other fiefdom rain or where they are the suzerain, but the the other there's another Folks here that I wanted to get your opinion on sea. Remember a few years back,

we recently here, where are they? the judge, excepting kickbacks, to sentence children too. On time. A juvenile. How does that you went to jail? He did does that count as trafficking and the forced the movement of a person for financial gain. Oh, I wouldn't have thought about it. That way I hate you, I won. I wonder what this is I wonder to how how this problem could be addressed like let's take it, in comparison. Let's take it to disease right. It's a well known fact: Some diseases persist because there is not financial incentive in the enormous of research. It would take to make medicine that secure, but there is an enormous financial, let's say incentive

to create some kind of drug or prescription that a human can take to maybe not cure the thing at least stop some of the worst a fax alleviate. This is their ok, sorry, I'm gettin other so box. I dont know if I'm already target of a moving away from an ownership society. A society is a young as I do. A very dangerous thing in its already happening. Laker with So many things now that used by unknown outright, and now you just pay for them. Are you afraid of a cloud man, the cloud gives you the decline. Is the cloud is a beautiful thing, while, alas, I wish all the best start, my favorite thing to participate in it, just really fast. I want to go back to that example of I said it gives to jail because it makes him. You really think about the private prison system that exists in the world and

They were discussed Cecy a before and a couple other organizations that they they profit off of running prisons, having human beings in prisons right in that goes to the question of whether or not incarceration is itself a substitute for slavery. Awoke? over time. As specifically is what is known as the kids for cash scandal. This was in two thousand and eight in Pennsylvania to judges. Mark see a Varela and Michael Qana, hand were Tuesday and Bleep ultimately convicted of accept money from a guy who builds private for profit, youth, sinners, juvy, halls, youth centre, a guy named Robert miracle. God, no less, not as nay, I spelled the same way: Ogier game e r

I see early, but he was. He was fairly paying them to bring children to the sooner we should say to be completely objective: that at least here in the states the there Majority of prisons are not private private prisons, A relatively small part of the percentage of prison structures overall, however, private prison, our branching out into immigration attainment centres are just sounds really. Nice immigration detentions, You know, that's something then that I think we ve said it before, but I really want to cover that in particular what what a detention centre is what it's like to be. Someone who gets stuck in one of those things then have made some contacts, so I think we can actually your horse, you wanna, have maybe even ask somebody on you

Watson is right in and let us know if you would like this to be a future episode of stuff. They don't want you to know. So We are looking at a really big thing. A large phenomenon and one that often may seem. I don't automation, abstract or or distant. You know people can easily read about that happened in history and say? Oh, that's not me right yeah! I would never. I Never do that and its true. It's here's another point. It's! It's true that even during the age of chattel slavery, in the U S most People could not afford to another human being any more than most people could afford to buy up something else, whose very expensive right jamming we said almost forty thousand dollars writing about spending three thousand dollars on anything right now

thing because people they take out alone to get a car today right and so this the while, stuff might seem abstract. Seen removed from our day to day existence, it's not the distant past and it's not As far away as you think the odds, are depending on what consumer products we pass each day that there spin and somewhere in the sun, in the operational production chain, they're here, then the use of forced labour or slave labour astray we in some agricultural products like chocolate, hat it is only I forget if it was a vice, quick documentary that I watched on there, but it just exposed children. They were working in getting the chocolate for you. Or even let's say device, your listening, this podcast on.

It's not necessarily slavery, but in a lot of other cases I mean really depends on how you you decide to categorize things like people who work in factories who build smartphones, you're talking civically, while Fox yes Fox gone, who build the phones right and then there is one that some near some people might not think about you. You ve heard about chocolate. You ve heard about electronics. You ve heard about clue: it can also apply to illegal drugs. Cocaine course marijuana. All can be part of this all can be part of these forced labour, grants and hear something that was really tricky thy learned about a while back the. U S has labour laws that, in theory, prevent the prevent the slave, like exploitation of workers, while in Congress

I believe a number of years back there was a there. Was this frightening recovery that something had the made in the USA label were made U S held territories that didn't have the same labour laws. Yeah for illegal purposes for the employees, they weren't a s territory, but for the ultimate destination for the customer is right and for pricing. This is their made in the USA, Yanks yeah, that's it the distressing thing, and we know we know of where's that this is such a big boy who is kind of like how it's kind of cancer met, because we often people who are not doctors often use the phrase cancer as though it is one thing where in truth, while there is a group term,

that group term is cancer. It describes a range of widely varying things right and when we say so, very modern slavery. What we are actually doing is we're describing a wide range of things, with one term and suicide completely. It's completely fair. It's it's worth is there some kind of silver bullet solution, and if so, what is it? Because another country that has a very high rate in terms of population and slave would be is back his son and What what will we do with Uzbekistan and Mauritania? Would there be an idea that some group men and create an infrastructure such that people didn't use slaves not because they all sudden became

magically better people were fundamentally changed, but because there was something more, swaller? They were incentivize towards something more useful, and that brings us to another point Matt. What's the future of slavery? Well, it's it's mostly robe yet homes or how they here is a quick stat from stat, he stir of all places. And I'm just going to read this verbatim statistics. Hope you don't mind. I regard. Worldwide shipments of multi purpose, industrial robots are forecast to exceed two hundred and seven thousand units in twenty fifteen. That's up from one hundred and fifty nine thousand in two thousand twelve check this out the robot density, particularly high in countries that have strong automotive industries. Looking at Japan

U S and several other places there are in Japan. One thousand five hundred and sixty two industrial robots installed per ten thousand automotive employees so that that's crazy, I mean you're getting around for the little over fifteen percent. Not to say that automotive workers are in any way slaves, and that is not what I'm saying at all: but what I M saying is the kind of jobs that would require some one to do manual. Labor of some sort of a lot of these jobs will we eventually be done by something that would not be considered a human, now we're going to have a guest on the show. Later, not this episode in the future. An old friend of mine spends a lot of time. Theorizing about what artificial intelligence is, whether what the Irish

between a robot or Circuit Board and software and a soul level, what is that it is applied? small the we reach a point where robots or euro soft, programmes are sentient to the point that it seems that it is violation somehow of their own rights, to force them to do task? For us? This would be such a move, in problem to have his would mean this crazy experiment called the human race somehow didn't blow itself up in the interim or run on a water or starve to death, and still it would be a very strange thing. Your earlier, we did and an episode or series on the concept of legal persons and this was This was an interesting episode and people had rising. We strong feelings about it. So it's. What was this idea? Will there a couple different

we looked at? One of them was animals and whether or not a a a situation or a ape could be considered to be a person, legal purposes which would mean they. They have things like the right, the right not to be. Fairly unjustly detained sure which, as you know, if you If your person, when you live in she does rule of law than the law tippit. He has something along the lines of. If you haven't done anything wrong. We can't just put you in a room, and we can't just keep you then, and if animals gain some sort of legal persons which is which is the topic is enormously vital to some people and seems silly to other people, but if Adam to attain some sort of personal it. Then as you becomes hike animal jail, which is a term I learned from you. I want to turn that I will continue to use the so it's

It's interesting in the criticism on both sides. I had some valid points. One of the things that stay with me, We had some one right in and say, but this is an interesting topic, but humanity should write its own house. First and I understand that, but also When we talk about these large global issues, questions are almost always the same, which is why continue? The answers usually profit right at least a second question who profits right at least a third question. Is? How do we change this relationship between a terrible thing and growing series of bank accounts, which is a witch. Ashamed to say it, I think, for a time it's you know it's quite possible that people will find

robots substituting, as you said, the traditional human interact here's the other side of that coin, for every robot that is installed. That is a being that is not working right. Yes, ok soon, quick etymology ology, I love etymology. There's no word robot is is pretty recent by this came from A check play right, and also a journalist named Carol. Capping. I see a p e k. He lived from eighteen, eighty, two, nineteen, thirty, eight nineteen twenty. He had a plague are you are which translates to rostrums unit her soul, robots and the word robot comes from Old slavonic word Rebecca It means servitude or fruit, forced labour. So, for the purposes of this conversation for this episode,

fascinating, because a lot of people use the term robot has evolved, mean something different, but originally did mean asleep. So perhaps at this were, is attaining the something search the original Mean all of it in and we we can see in other places. Rightly girl. You had a couple of examples. You are pointing out we can also see these six reed, being transformed, perhaps a little bit we are aware of this technology or perhaps not, but there's this technology in product called the real girl, which is something that it's a doll essentially or a real doll. I forgave think it's going to hold a real down. Ok, it's the it's a. Life size, or at least almost life size, human being that is made out of other material

It's a sex man, it's it's a sex mannequin! Yes, exactly! Ok, now thinking about movies like a high or some kind of replicate sex worker where it's you combine an artificial intelligence or some at some kind of artificial intelligence shortly that technology and then perhaps we won't have to have so many sex workers, but then again it comes a conversation of what is what is the nature of intelligence at what point? Does it become a more or unethical to force a thinking entity there dwelt you stuff! It wouldn't work to do or completely agree like the old recent story we imposed on Facebook about scientists were very close to growing. A brain and actual human yeah. Well, that's an ethics minefield her there right. You know: how do you break the news to thing? How do you do

We are just a brain. What if you can hear what, if you can teach this thing in study, the rate at which it becomes an entity no could could justness evolve without being. Inside a body, you know what I mean. I think I think yes, I think so, like the older. The cart thing right. I think therefore M Yak, as if, if you give the thinking brain sensors, which is essentially just what we have in the inviolable sensors, then why are housed in any different single question that so what have we would have we follow this even further into the future, let's say that automation increasingly replaces jobs would normally be done by humans and let's go away and imagine that, despite coming catastrophes

resources, potable water, edible food meter of ocean levels rising right, a quality of air things like that with let's say that resources are diminished, but we're picking assiduously to save them over coming back from a near disaster scenario and your human being growing up in a town. Where there are no jobs. Robots do them all so Then, how do you justify your existence in a society? How do you, how do you earn air to breathe food to eat water, to drink a place to live all you know, for me as long as the robots. Don't learn how to write stories and record podcast and make videos than I am I'm feeling pretty good totally.

Happen, though there he won't happen. He s waiver, no! Well, yes, Well, there's a there's, an interesting episode of forest given that our friends Jonathan enjoy more, did about so of the artificial and well maybe softwares better, where this boy I attempts to figure out how to edit footage together in rights. Right, how how to aim at a demographic. I think it's quite possible within our lifetimes- and perhaps yours is all yours is well listeners that there could be. Entirely artificially. Aided film and my head or it might good guys, whom I had all the story points it might you. Peter generated images for the actors as well as voices right there, and it

also it may also by this idea, however safe. I story which I'm gonna feel just so ripped off if it ever Comes real, don't say it almost MIKE. Really nobody my here and then to then do you think. So I think no you're talking. I think it's a good story. I refuse to participate in a cover up on this of all shows. Okay, so please listen. Trusting you, please don't steal. My idea is just cool I'd like to hear what you think about it Imagine how can you say in a world into. In a world! Imagine that we are in the few- Where in you can take a device right than you can take, One movie, really love what a movie really love met the matrix. Ok, so you can take the matrix. Then you can take another film. You really love that's completely different. What's that how about Titanic Titanic Great

So let's say that you live in a future where you can turn on by Sir Software and you say: computer combined the matrix and, and they can t Ruby like computing why then create a film that is a seamless mesh of those two films. Not just in terms of the actors in the sequences, but in terms of the things in terms of the philosophical quandaries and it will be coherent and unified. I think that it possible that something like that could exist. That's you that's the dream, big kind of story. It will be a lot easier to write about it than it would be to make the code. You know what I mean I was imagining. Neo rocketing offer the titanic at the end, while everybody's going down, you can fly now right king in the world? you know that there are other things that you could come by

with that, you had better examples, which I know that there is great, so I'm just seen like it. It is quite possible that the problem, of human slavery, mentally becomes changed by technology right by sea? the same things that are being built with slave labour may ultimate you're one day lead to the demise of this important practice. That's cool. That's going on in my head right now. I hope you listeners so getting some of that well, and I hope that we're I hope the were showing some the state of it, and I know man. Mass respect for you you're, the one who you're the one who pointed out in that I think a lot of people forget, which is the fact that these these numbers may well be exaggerated or that they may not agree whether that through

Can you please those Romania is just cool I'd like to hear what you think about maybe even self interested actors, it's important to realise that there is still a great deal. We do not know about modern slavery other than it exists and other than the fact that there are interested parties in the world in other countries, and maybe here in the U S on some level who are specifically supposed to be stopping this end, explicitly allowing it to occur, not just a blind eye, but assisting in the slave trade, No, that is a little bit soap boxes, boy, the fact of the matter is that this

is this is a problem that has followed you manatee, like a shadow, you know for the entirety of human civilization. Have you heard Lucy Kase bit about of course, but maybe we heard this heavy listeners of year. This sounds familiar. He I'm not gonna do that because I'm not Lucy Gay and he is he's the only they can deliver it, but is a he makes a point about how this kind of human suffering that exists. In the act of enslaving, a human being What has built every giant big thing that on this planet every huge, your big countries, every everything basically we have right now is because we through he says he suffering at it until it became a thing,

Ah, yes, I remember that it sees its difficult point, but it's not entirely out of part I mean Lucy K is pretty insightful guy, I'm a fan of your two bickering yet and Guess what we do is rather the show listen we would like to hear from. You would like to hear your perspective on the topics we addressed here: anything for privatized prisons to enslavement, human trafficking. Immigration would like your perspective on that as well. I know that some of those issues might be device, and you do here that yeah sort of thunder in the distance growing threat I think that the time has come for a moment with no, no you it is. I who oh, it's also any

You said that remain are so improvement describe as before, ban a matter for them question in this little box and am outside and the common area. So just ass. The real is on your hearing people about going about their going about their daily routine here who waited girl. The networks can convincing everyone that we're not not augur our here or not real human, be re brains and separate jars at least get supper. Jars, no offense guys. I think lawyer, you yeah, but a name. And you're gonna have separate charts, get have supper. Joys sue So no yes today was the heavy topic. Sometimes we have observed that we can have a little bit of fun with like online manipulation right, but this one. This one was. This was a little bit different and I don't know if we, if we ve done it justice, but I wanted to ask you: have you had any personal experience with with something like

in trafficking or seen something because out I'll be honest. I know we're family show some they're gonna talk to too much about this. Now that you're right Giving me a look in a slow night were not exact. The family show we do talk about stuff like slavery, but if you live in a city of any of any size than odds are that you have passed by and seeing no prostitutes? For instance, there there prostitutes in Atlanta that that you can, when you dry by you, can see someone or you're here someone say these prostitutes and when we know that there is a likelihood that these people have been found, into into this occupation. Then there's a question like. What can we do if anything right I don't know no love and looking for your perspective, because I

I can order of reasonableness. It goes mad at me the error rate higher twisted, they only nothing you're, not the most reasonable. Just I don't like being second. I should therefore be less and less but ok, candid. Where was I, you are the first real, the most reasonable and ok I'll take. It should be like you know, I'm in a different, never experienced anything first hand enough seen document. He's in there is a fantastic season of the wire is sort of like a one. It's largely people like as much rethink its programme. If everyone where the ports and she's real kings heels into and there's a whole thing where their these should be containers with some think their eastern european women than suffocated Then there minutes earlier was based on with some real news stories that came out and that's pretty Harrison.

I don't really know what to say about the whole concepts. Pretty horrific and the fact that, like you say there are more people and slave today than ever raised. Pretty it's pretty dreary statistic: Well, then, what could be done? What, if anything, could be done to eliminate This aim is: how do we think we are talking about like USA, people are raising these environments and grow to see it as being a norm, and then they day, maybe they were used in my way themselves, and so they choose to abuse others in that way, and it's like a cat totally get rid of that mentality and my way of looking at people as the means to an end. Then there is hard now and how you get rid of a problem like that and in their so many ways to do it now, in an organised crime the like it's just that the potential to be so prevalent in August and a home

I mean I e the sound like I am at a loss, but I kind of amateur puts a really big big problems. Maybe maybe the day, in my opinion, the bad I dont know how this will happen. The best way to combat this thing would be eliminate the economic incentive yeah. If it is Europe, often do things sure because of culture, but if it is more profitable to do something else, then that behaviour will likely chow. Because we live in a world that currently warships. You know I'm a money regime which male, may look justice silly and stupid thousands of years in the future. I think it most certainly will, so listeners, we would like to hear what you say as as we mentioned before, you can find us on Facebook and twitter. We also do a live show on a little thing called periscope

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