For centuries communities in France and Spain practiced a brutal, widely-accepted system of discrimination against a group of families and individuals known as Cagots -- but who were these people? Where did they come from, and where are they now?
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spected right, the most frightening.
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What people in twenty fifty look back on this is the good old days. Oh,
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minutely manner the world is big depends on where
you live right and even
More importantly, what your position,
given. Society has been in that something were exploring today much
human history has been a study in on equal rights, either by this concept, conflict right either by groups striving for better representation or other groups fighting to
take a system of oppression, the benefits them. You are not a big believer in hierarchies. I think they're garbage, I think, they're for the birds, not even the cool birds. Like the crappy birds like us, seagulls right, there haven't seen many crow hierarchy.
Maybe there are some other officer, I'm sure there are but you're absolutely right. I idle
these things hierarchies in general?
understand whether necessary, presented some people but philosophic.
The edge historically there used to apply
the many for the benefit of the few.
That is what happens with hierarchies weather.
I can about the tribal system in the UK which continues to exist. Of course, I guess people
feel better about it. We called an aristocracy or whether you're talking about continued culture,
Repression in other countries
It all boils down to the same thing and it's a source of massive conflict in these.
Which have occurred, the cycle of conflict, rather as occurred multiple times in the? U S, for example, we have these struggle for civil rights. That was again a group of people who
were benefiting from a system of oppression, verses, a group of people who were
We're losing out because it seemed system
the reasoning behind these
oppressive systems are based on so many different things. There are so many different reasons. I know it sounds like I just picked on the United Kingdom, and I just picked on the United States.
But these are just two examples like their multiple kinds of oppression. Yet
You can go to gender discrimination where you
looking at male and female in one is treated differently
The course of history is largely fallen on the females who have been oppressed in this way
forget women in the United States, could not vote here
For president can vote for anything just a few decades ago. It hasn't been that long, a right as we record this this country and many
the countries in the West or in the groups,
of a new kind of gender discrimination with people who are trapped
Sweden sue
the idea that a person
identifies as female but was
logically identifies a mail at the time of their birth that that's becoming a huge legal issue. Here.
U S and twenty sixteen
then there are other things too right. There's the untouchable cast of India and these folks have endured.
Horrific discrimination and the government of course has taken stock.
To try to mitigate the situation, but they cast
system of India.
Is not some
that's going to be swept away by a convenient law? You know what I mean it's it's tuneup said, then you
various systems of slavery, everything
from China
slavery like in the union
states, for example,
in the day, wage slavery, bondage labour, mandatory minimums, Anna and prison labour. I mean it's a version of it: it out outright slavery, wage slavery. At my house,
be its own episode, yeah yeah. We can do.
That we should definitely have no end. Is anybody would write to us and let us know your opinion,
wage slavery. Actually, this is a cyber this aside, bugger up, could I ask what your first
was my.
Job was working poolside as a server at.
The Piedmont Driving Club Nancy
and then I got an internship here, so I guess not.
Man, ok I'll without
going to deepen and I've has usually say a source of my. Firstly,
the job was at a at a grocery store, nice
and I tried eventually
tried man to get fired? I didn't know
things they just wooden fire me because the other p
will the grocery store, where that bad,
Eventually, I just stopped going man
You are worried about the stigma of being fired from one job. No
I went ahead and told them that I was just going to stop showing up because
I'm getting another job, and I got a different job and then just stopped going
That was your way because I said I'll quit before and there
call with with a follow up thing, but
very strange, is surreal situation. Sure
you like your opening up more than I have heard you open up in a while, so want to keep going, but I know we have to ask you and setting it up, because ok, let's
you're a servant. I was a grocer, those types of occupations. Writer
and I saw a servant, so our real wealth, most of us theirs,
the ethnic or so called racial discrimination as when you,
about minorities being improved.
Or when you hear about group
that may be to an outsider, seem pretty much identical
Sure right when you hear about these groups having bitter
rivalries
famous
situation in Europe. Of course,
The Roma.
Or is one famous situation?
types of prejudice and discrimination in stereotyping and have, in many cases, never fully assimilated into the local culture of wherever they are
yeah, you see, say it's a lot of that has to do with cultural differences and clashing with
whichever power is seen as the norm or whichever group is seen as the norm in an area, then there's cult
discrimination right
One example of this would be world war, two era, Japan,
nationalistic superiority complex over China and the puppets
It has been cheerier that they don't they did unspeakable things. They did it.
Because they thought the other people were like really human yeah. That's a common theme
That's a common theme in theirs religious discrimination to right! Yes,
for examples of this. You can look to catholic persecution,
jewish people's Protestants me
peoples in colonized countries- and you can also see this in the various forms of discrimination practice between Islam,
and jewish quarters, yeah yeah,
There is another aspect to this, however- and this is the
the strangest thing ways and German. In some cases, societies have no concrete reasoning behind discriminatory practice, none
I wanted to say that I feel that a lot of times there's not that much
the concrete basis for a lot of these discriminatory practices, but these
in particular, there were about
Look at you
Feels like why
yeah. For instance, the Brooklyn of Japan were historically treated in a man very similar to the dollar
or Untouchables in India, despite the fact that
not just not just vision.
The identical but genetically identical to mainstream japanese population and they are practising Buddhists and they are not in all
any other way: distinguishable from the rest of Japan, we're talking about discrimination based on name or neighbourhood, but day later.
Gentlemen. Yes, there is a point to our own exploration,
they were looking at another, perhaps lesser known example, of a similarly mysterious case of persecution. The group
people known as the Iccat go also
Hu. I go go ahead or Christa, which stands were christian right
so who are these people.
Going on
why have most of the world's population never ever heard of them. We,
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Welcome back so we're looking at this group calls they could go now. Snorkel records have proven that for centuries, communities in western France and nor
in Spain practiced brutal
this discrimination against this group of people, the
There there is a system that was well established and it was
hardly uniform throughout much of France.
Because this is unusual, because this time, people weren't
Communicating is easily as people communicate today, which means that there is a lot of drift or creep in local customs and
This was also one of the reasons why heresy was such a big concern for the catholic church. Let's see, there's a churches gun isolated. It's out in the Alps are something nobody's seen these people for fifteen twenty years in some weird ideas and changing stuff around those weird things right. So this happened
haven't constantly and that
is one of the reasons why the
right. So this happen
the persecution of cargo.
France and in the area of Spain, is.
Fascinating no course. It evolves over time, but
it seemed to have a very.
Oddly specific system to Euro, to this persecution and the cook
we're catholic. They were. They were
just as catholic as their neighbors were not coo, EE, oh, but they were only reluctantly what allowed into the auspices of the church. Let's talk about some of the community rules applying to these people. They could not
communion the same way as their community
and sit in separate parts of the church, and they were also very in separate graveyards and when it came to the church, there are several instances of
urges that had entrance is just in the back. You know smaller doors. I that appear to be that's what, therefore, some of them have signs that even have the word could go, or one of these other names refer to them as it. There are also a few that had
strange entrances where you had to climb up a ladder in order to get in to another ladder system inside the church, fascinating. The links that some
churches went to two separate
people from the rest of their flock. They were seen somehow is tainted yet dirty yet
they were also not allowed to walk barefoot, which gave rise to rumours that their feet were webbed and in some places they were
wired? Where a badge there was occasionally in the shape of a goose his foot,
here it was read yeah, so
the badger yet aware sign, read footed, asking to say gains
familiar to historical references I'll here.
Oh, and also they were only allowed to make.
Purchases in town on Mondays. This is according to an eighteen, forty, eight years,
account yeah, so
this already sounds weird, but it goes
There are restricted to certain trades, particularly carpentry
led to situations in which could go
and up building
the very same church that's going to persecute them and their family later
talk about a hedge report, yeah a little bit and
by the way. One of the
great resources we got for this was from
an alternate Daniel Hawkins, who wrote paper called comparison.
The great humanity they can go
discrimination, so
We we found some
the things you I want to read a small selection from this paper
stricter legislation concerning could go, appeared many times after twelve, eighty eight, which is where
we see more detailed municipal records while details differ, prohibitions typically express similar concerns. They require that could go we're segregated in their living quarters, occupations and day to day interactions. There were four
for Mary Non cargo. They could not.
Her taverns hold, cabarets use, public, fountains, sell food and wine touch food in the market, work with livestock or enter a mill. There were
allowed to carry arms other than professional tools and
Goes to the example talked about earlier. There was
severe and brutal punishment for train.
Grasser. So if we go back with our
time, travelling hypothetical French Matt, Frederick
by the way, I'm like in this character poker,
I assume in Bahrain, but I don't know, that's historically accurate. I don't think so, but nonetheless go that what about it?
a classic yes, yes,
If we go back to that time, we were,
now now
your french name, Pierre Pierre. Ok, our, I fear, Frederick
Pierre, Frederick, is walking by e mail and sees that hair
be nailed to the door. He may well have not said a word. If you
million with the discrimination against could go because
We know what happened several times. One could go. Merchant was punished for touching the main back.
Small fought by hand
his hands severed from his arm and nailed through a door. I don't think so.
The door of the church,
That would be. That seems like that. A bad idea near
severed armed to the teeth,
whereas I hadn't enter Jessica hand to hand for me,
there is another account of a man who allegedly grew food.
On his land, informed it and he had middle spikes pushed.
Feet as punishment ha. That's that's fair
very odd woman, incense disturbing they get when you consider that these people, although he might have heard them described as swarthy at some point, I also read
something where they were described as being fair skinned, yeah
there- are widely differing accounts of how what a cargo looks like fright.
Rumours about them, were wide ranging rampant stuff. We can
go down the list re, oh sure, yeah they be reviewed, as heretics like we said, despite their regular tends to church. Despite being Catholics are reviewed, is not being catholic. Yes,
accused of being lepers, which will get into there was
there were rumours about them, holding secret meetings for nefarious unknown purposes. Yeah again we
see this throughout history like water. They meeting in secret about
actually meeting in secret duties. Are you? Are you just little paranoid anyway
probably saying hey,
Is everybody have their hands yeah? How water strategies we can use to not be as persecuted? Yeah we're pro hand,
also accused of being descendants of hussy. I dont have I'm saying
really. But this was the wicked servant of the prophet Eliza, and
Being the children of this person, it was believed that they were all cursed with the curse that was placed on gauzy, others that similar to the old latter day, saints policy of discrimination against again starker skinned people right
yeah guys he is a figure found in the book of kings. Yes, he was in a position of power, but he was crops
Kipling wrote a poem about him, but I can't
where exactly what it was yet. So this
this was something that was coming in.
This era of Christianity, which was to find a biblical basis
however tenuous, to rationalize mistreatment of an individual? So
so long book, he read
tenuous to rationalize mistreatment of an individual. So it's a long book. You re closely enough and think creatively.
So his big scene was avarice right, who is stealing stuff? He was racking up
change in his masters, names tricking
boy yeah she
guilty of duplicity and dishonesty, so Elijah the prophet, denounced in and passed upon him the terrible doom- and this is a quote from kings that leopard.
Of Norman would cleave to him and his descendants forever. So
I swear you pull some. You know, someone in the church
believing that
true and hey here, someone I can apply that too, but but this
first came with the least some allegations of dark powers is their right,
gatherer there are allegations that they were sorcerers, whose believed that they could be which cattle, which sounds
a little more fun than it probably should to me. It sounds like the euro courses
largely agricultural communities. But right now it sounds like one of the most useless superpowers ever whether you agree with
you're, a
a villain or a hero, you're pretty much restricted. You deliver our livestock for it, the even matter
the cattle witcheries, not gonna, be a threat in New York City cash. That's a great character! The
the council, which are the cattle which her on the net
the pursuit of the cattle which her
It was also believed that perhaps they had the power of the evil. I wear if they stared at your child long enough or anyone really. They can cause terrible thing
to happen to them like a cursed with a glance here in this.
This ties in to some of the more wide ranging
accusations of paranormal ability that occur with this
persecution, you'll, also your stuff about being able
poison wells or being able to
you're in there take my bewitching cattle they're talking about the cattle falling ill,
or perhaps miss, carrying dream, birth and stuff like that
when they were allowed to food,
it was. It was believed that any food that they touch no matter at what stage is why can't farm it wool wrought in
really will be soiled meal. You cannot eat or do anything.
With edible objects that are touched by these could go. That's the belief, cattle witches
I'm stuck out it out of witches, yet so
You also find that any real estate right, you find evidence in this belief in the real estate, know. Yet
his powers? That's why a lot of times you would see their there.
Residences the areas where they lived had to be separated by some body of water, a stream of water just enough to where those missed,
powers can't carry over because their beliefs about how magic operates
day you're not going to hear much about the Congo. It families
discover this heritage in the matter.
Day, often will hide it in fear.
Continuing low level discrimination gets their spouses or their children.
Very, very, very, very, very few come forward
in the modern day and the population
Itself was always relatively small in comparison to the rest of France and Spain.
Now it seems set to feed
two nothingness, but there are still so many I'm answered. Questions met
Who are these people? Why
they become the repressed class, and maybe most
Thirdly, where did they come from.
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Here is where we get crazy. No one really knows no one knows for certain, where
could go, originate yeah, but
and theories. There are many many many many many theories, but.
There are varying plausibility and they are all,
Somewhat fascinating, I would say, for instance, worthy the
and in some moorish soldiers who, for it
during the most
conquests, Spain
or areas of Spain simply
migrated up at out into France two possibilities.
Did they begin as a gilded skill
maybe he would workers with their persecution, rising as a form of commercial rivalry that eventually get solidified and tradition. So people didn't know why these
due to a dirty, but they knew that their parents thought that
They were moorish medieval woodworkers in ensue
get this ties back into the question that I earlier ass? You may about your first occupation, because the strange thing is that if we lose
in a different society.
Lived in IE even a different time period. We were
overwhelmingly be likely to continue the work that our parents
Did as even a guild or cast or something so because we would.
Apprentices. Hopefully, if we're lucky rang talented. So if your father,
the cobbler you're a cobbler. If
your father-
is her
yeah, then you are accounted for fathers, military officer. You follow the same thing. If your father,
the cattle which her
you are off,
I'm sorry, you also cattle which are ohguro. Let it go Oda Lerigo, I'm not in any way
condoning the which means of livestock of cattle they ve got a tough enough. I, however, I am
percent levy which all the cattle that you possibly can in then tell me how you did it right to us
conspiracy, house, the worst of it
yes, yes, please
Let me know
source of your dark bovine, related powers. So
that we see here. That strange is that when
people had
less social mobility win your parents,
your grandparents occupations would largely determine your own occupation.
We also see as a society where certain occupations are considered more valuable than others or maybe a better way to say it is Sir Knight occupations are seen as much less valuable. For instance, execution
had some of these same.
Laws against their behaviour, as did could go in
And this was in Germany, perhaps the next
use your cat goaded
bar can't touch food or drink around people, because
executioner like his father before him,
makes a living by killing people
seen as mere morally reprehensible.
Necessary for society
and we see this in some other cultures, for instance, working with hides or
supposing of human,
least like the Untouchables right that would be.
I'll be a lower cast job so
it seems to arise from almost
It's it's a combination of lack of scientific understanding, of how some of it works a lack
technology for cleaning,
like I'm and being able to cleanse oneself after working a job such as killing people, or you know,
in the hides off of animals. Sure you know
perception of unclean. I mean it's rife with disease,
in four germ theory in its true, then it is like it actually is so
not having the technology also creates. That system were somebody in the historical record experienced you know drinking with the
commissioner, who happened to kill somebody who had a terrible disease and boom
next thing, you know you're a meme cool
no one who nobody
I couldn't. I mean that's just how it happened. This is the only way that happens right and it's something that people accept and also, of course, undressing Kourou, because I, like the word, the only way that somebody can get Kourou is by consuming brains, hearing brass yeah
which will give you those priorities.
What would your bad news speaking of bad news, met,
I just realized something.
You're avatar in the middle ages there, and here Pierre, in the thirteen hundreds right. Yes, if, if he
cassock it makes
the situation even worse, no cause you're. Probably the priest
more able east.
Ok, I have a lot to get ready for Theirs mass later here, yet
You don't want to get you you're you. Maybe we're gonna help the guy be like get net filthy cargo
blood on my cassock to use my
you to open the door, she says you to open the door.
Everyone check the cattle soup
There's another idea that they were
descendants of earlier ah cultural groups,
and that this somehow made there
not worthy of trust or made them
tainted made them somehow other made them threatening through degree.
One would be that
They were descendants of the Goths the could go for.
Appear in records as early as the tenth century, but they make
more prominent from the thirteenth century on and they were in both sides- the western Pyrenees.
Lived in these small poor, segregated communities on the periphery of these villages and towns,.
So they ve been around for so long that its
easily ease
the understandable
someone rationalize persecution by saying. Well, you know you remember those other guys from centre
ago yeah. It's then yeah, don't trust him
there have been other theories about groups that came through France
since Spain as conquerors, at one point or another, like the saracens like there again remnants who perhaps have.
Switched over to Catholicism another. They continue to live in the area of their families. Do yeah, you know,
their bad news just because of that,
Again, these are all possibilities and maybe
It's a range of these, like it's a combination of all of these things of just people that look other yeah yeah, possibly like that.
We'll get to the conspiratorial angle of this, but there are more than you might think, because obviously we're looking at a mainstream community that conspired to
press a very small minority which is odd
I think in the sixteen hundreds, six
Ago, go or maybe two percent of the population, so never never in large numbers, although I do
real remember some some other stuff
I wanted to mention. I dont know if you found this in your research
as the more specificity
could go. So like me, what I said they were described as fair scheme by some as swarthy by others.
Skin dogskin later in the lobes, gassing ass, the thing: that's why one dimension they
supposedly lacked ear. Lobes air were missed, magician sorcerers had an effect
his terrible odor,
and always accused the bad, and they gave off great heat
when the south wind blew their lips, juggler glance and the dutch foot mark under their left,
all swelled life.
Here. So the ok. So
They are considered to be
smelly.
Strange physical
it's an act
One in their biggest rash one,
the biggest rationalizations from her purse. Chinese people, which was the
They are lepers and credence.
So I'm familiar lepers
That would be
RO. I know that encompasses several different diseases of the time, but a lot of it has to do with infectious disease that could be transmitted easily if interacting with this person right- and that would make sense of me
sure these people are interacting with the everyday public as tonight.
Everyone in the village pray. I mean that that makes sense.
So one of the prevailing beliefs among historians about the Congo is that
Percy was the essence of this phenomenon. People use
think that leprosy was inherited Ray.
I've got a point
the generations in the blood. However, even
after people knew that leprosy was not a purely inherited treat you like him,
Kate between
Unrelated people, some
first consider that can go to be a special case of hereditary lepers that the disease was just Quetta concentrated in them.
However, another writer said that my
be what happens. Maybe the birth of the Congo
when the records are appearing in the tenth century started when
who were already infected
being considered lepers bandit
gather on the periphery
the town
solidarity into yet
throne
thrown village and
later
descendants were
to buy the stigma, the disease, even though they didn't carry it, came from that crappy homes situation. So
The weird thing is, though, that, aside from
You, these vestigial traits
also. We know that groups of cooking
tough, with your hands still go through the same door, etc. Peoples,
the interacts they see,
exist in the community.
Doing woodworking. He would still take a table from the person yeah
Somehow somehow the wood was fine
Now. The wood was fine, yet also
we know that groups of cargo were proven not to have leprosy
In sixteen hundred after decades of dispute, people complain.
Discrimination could go complainants subs discrimination to parliament and it
give them a thorough medical.
Examination examined twenty two people, all carpenters or joiners, and they
Jim said this time were not we're not
turn you hadn't cough
conveniences of the modern age. These people
their bodies, POW painted their arms.
Bled.
They applied, I hear cops, didn't check
circulation and the dock
came back with the results. They say what is just ordinary people, their fine there in
the quotas there,
all health in their body exempt from all contagious maladies and without any disposition to those maladies requiring them to be separated from the company of other healthy people.
So they blew out the wire you have it
find any court
Soulier diseases, but leprosy
the time was not consider purely a fist. Specific physical ale
in earlier years it was more of a umbrella catch all description for possibly a spiritual things. You in your body,
fine, you might be morally or spiritually leprous.
Are, they could go, were also occasionally called white lepers, which is just a very appealing name. Yeah
What could it simply be that they were discriminated against because they were poor? We know that
the state of the poor in France and Spain,
The time was the suit
position was very, very different, it was concerned an affront.
To have to see the poor.
Yeah but then their accounts, at least from that eighteen. Forty eight reference I gave where the poor people, the peasants, are the
ones who were brought yeah. The could go there, the most opposed so
This attack chicken negative was their poverty, resulted this discrimination or is the discrimination result of the poverty? I tend to think the former, but
You're right- and we see this in modern societies today too, if you want
all to be satisfied.
Position in an unfair hierarchy we have to do is put
at least one more wrong on the ladder below them
them somewhere to look down on and there
stop looking up to wonder what's happening at the top. That is unfortunate
to true to true it seems
later
the rise of racially based accusations, lake.
These
swarthy more soldiers, whatever that they came about,
The decline of leprosy after the client.
The goal threat from disease
In that racism, having afterward
to rationalize the pre existing prejudice in you know, that's so crazy.
So the story- if it's not one thing, it's another fool,
What I found what I found is that the way a lot of these
these rumours that we discussed earlier and all these things at their cargo were purportedly to be able to do and smell like and all these things a lot of it,
handed down through songs. That were
They call them party songs, there would be spread in probably a tavern wear
the again the peasants all drinking together in this makes no sense to me now. Ben.
Drinking together singing about the wrong of the wire? That's below them to make themselves feel better?
I can totally see that now as Pierre in the tavern wildly.
That is really disturbing yeah
no kidding in here
is another thing. Next question right: we were proud
never gonna have an answer about
where, where this group of people came from, where they actually came from and why
they were originally persecuted. We just have those best guesses,
and sadly we are probably not going to find out, because I know there's some
People the audience now, who are probably yelling at the speaker,
Do you know you guys just you
dna tests. Fantastic point,
If there were some one to do, a dna test on you can
Probably the most recent thing you can read about this disappearing group of people
is an article in the independent from about two thousand and eight, where one
one woman from the french Pyrenees.
Are Pierre Minute bills as
talking about her ancestry
the time she was a forty something mother of three and she was being build as the last living Kayo or at least the last known
the last one who will admit to being a girl, and they said
It's a bad. She said it's still a bad thing in the mountains into doesn't it.
The French ashamed shamed, what they did, they could go or ashamed of what they were and no one will confess to their cargo descent. So.
This means that.
This means that this entire concept, whatever
space time is
superior, because now the Irish, the conspiracy is shifted it
from mainstream french communities can,
firing to essentially make life hell and keep these people at the bottom of the sea.
We'll barrel too,
conspiracy by those peoples, descendants by they could go descendants to.
You ve been erased, surpass just like that guy I gotta go play bathed in hock movie.
Thank you. Thank you. Shouldn t go back to work
like to really Pierre, really fast. Yes, at the very end of that article, she they're asking about her. Children
differs. Yes, they called the
and the big thing she says it is. I know I can show you pictures.
Children because the stigma
remains so much in this area today,
and give you can't even know my children look at just in case
He also says that Congo she's gonna, be who says that could go are described as swarthy members.
Workers skipped pestiferous. Yes, they called the pestiferous people
which has an unfortunate ring to it, and with this
oh we with this, we end our narrative of the could go this the shifting social conspiracy first of a group
other means. Your group to essential.
Slave socially bind
Banana that groups collective effort to end itself mouse very successful efforts to do so.
But these are not the only vanishing people in the world.
Oh, that there are several other examples right. The Romanians and the Ruffians were both mentioned in the article in the independence.
The Armenians and they d back,
roaming, colonization, their spread across the southern Balkans, but
I believe to be almost extinct, their cultural identity and evidence of their culture lives on with some grecian festivals.
And then the other reasons are their one point: two million expected to arrest waited to live in Europe over
Furthermore, in the Ukraine there now
I recognise that Ukraine, because
communist regime in the fifties
that's the time the church was also eradicated, but but there
sponsible for a lot of those beautiful wooden churches that you can see in the area one or two points here.
Is that our species doesn't
lose memory
doesn't just lose cities which were covered doesn't just lose civilizations. No eight also loses entire cultures, entire groups of people who
who are alike by blood who are also alike
by language and by custom. You know
Then, when the other things we lose our entire animal
this is another
part gas, but yeah. That's enough,
like us to end its true, unfortunately, but
it is also true that now.
In the modern age. We have the ability to preserve some of this stuff,
And we have the ability of thanks to rise,
easily affordable, recording technology too.
Some piece of the past some knowledge, some essence of the days and the people. They came back
and that's why I would
suggest. This is just
opinion, bowers suggest to all of you out there listening to this weather
Twenty, sixteen or twenty one o six don't hesitate to
If you have other family members, if you have some an older in your community and you think that that community
It is not long.
World the happens. Every
Jose rises and false. You can eat
We take a second to just interview them and record their answers, and it's something that you will like in and
kids will liken on and on.
On and on and nobody has to be, a cattle which are so
with that being said before we had out today at
four hours had gone asked.
We have a single shout out to give today.
Is from redirected, that's
I would recall that
here goes
I'm a military psychiatry is currently in residency training. So when you asked for stories from people who use mind altering drugs in the military, well, it's kind of my thing
regarding drugs in general, all active duty personnel get randomly drug tested frequently and unless you have very good medical reasons, Vienna drug you're,
that means stimulate vastly preferred over and
I continued reading, just some excerpts from red Jacket, email were
she's, fantastic by the way he says
or she says regarding
uppers. Yes, some are still used, but to a substantially lesser degree than you might six suspect.
Prove a job which is the brand name for moved up to now,
is a non amphetamine, stimulate vastly preferred over and thorough mean derivatives
We still have no exactly how it works, but it seems the simile alpha brainwave activity, while decreasing delta and data waves,
actively simulating wakefulness rigour,
Amphetamines, while ADHD is still probably under diagnosed chances.
If you ve made it through basic training. You dont need ADHD meds. Personally, I hate them
I've seen several sailors and Marines get kicked out of the service after getting caught, using them to try and boost their performance of also seen several service members get tipped over into a frank:
Kosis that appears to have been triggered by amphetamine overdoses. It's scary, it's dangerous!
I keep my sailors as far away from the stuff is possible. About
battlefield medications, all
which really crazy stuff goes down firefight. Sometimes you cannot afford to lose. Riflemen, no matter what the cause we have combinations of common medicines, they can keep a trigger puller in the fight for longer than nature would allow, but its last
kind of move and deeply flawed.
Upon by almost all medical professionals, that is fascinating, that no one in particular,
I ve talked about new tropics, which may be something that you heard from the Joe Rogan, podcast or somewhere else. That's how I heard about them and the person rain is email says I have personally care for patients that have had substantially catastrophic reactions from trying to get a quote Bradley Cooper in limitless, unquote state
and these people of crash and burned on the way there. I strongly advise a patient's avoid this type of supplicant supplement or medication. So finish up
came out. Withdrawal said in the vast majority of cases. Morphine withdrawal cannot kill, you they say is awful, is painful grotesque by unlikely to be life, threatening nowhere near as dangerous as opiate overdose. I end so it says hope that helps if you have any other questions about medicine psychiatry, the military, particularly military, a medicine, I believe
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