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jeez. You know aware I kind of like it when it's like when they see. If you go into really great restaurant, you know it's great because they may only have things on the menu but their mass. Over. All of those. I just look at the pictures. I preferred it what are often Have you ever been on a cruise I have no really start, it's not for me. I didn't really think it was for me either upon doing it, but yes sitting experience to be out in the ocean with several fell. And other people just on a big floating metal thing. Nor was it was. It was like a family cruiser was a themed crews, because you know those things occur. I could I don't exactly what it was. It was. Norwegian, I think, was the name of the company. Did you see any icebergs? I saw zero icebergs and I was looking for that's a good thing that you have some reason they don't hang out in the Caribbean.

That's why you signal region. I figured you bore away, that's what I thought to Lucy. Caribbean cruiser was I'm glad you had a good time. How old were you? That was a long ago. Maybe two three years: oh, that's where you it I'm a bad friend I remember you said you were at sea and I thought you were just joking and let it go to be clear. Wasn't my idea, but it was fun. We should also major before really they could do a gas here. I don't know if I, if any of you folks, if I've heard of this before but a while ago, Matt and no and I found out about Conspiracy, fiend crews, concern as a Finn, fear a sea crews and you were you briefly. We briefly kicked around the idea of going, but I don't know, Firstly, if cruises aren't knolls thing, and it just seems like an awful a lot of like being corralled in kind of you now,

heard it around and I'm not really into shuffle board. So they'll be limited stuff for me I'd like to travel on cargo ship visa icebreaker into the pool but I don't know if I would go on a normal crews. Justice their own economies, your world here. There's no escape I like to read on a cruise in asylum, maybe because that can cover the cowboy haha what, there or not we or you are fans of crews is. One thing is for sure. Cruises are super popular people love the idea right happen both get away from it all see. A couple foreign countries may be the practice of. Cruising recreational entirely for pleasure. You know where you dont have to bring home like spoils of war or bore salmon de smokers, something I e dates back for,

for a while, it began with the formation something called the peninsular and oriental steam Navigation company in eighteen. Twenty two now I started out as just a shipping company they're gonna, take your stuff, we're not about and take it somewhere else where we need it to be then they realize hey, maybe there's something else to this. They were gone on routes between England and the Iberian Peninsula and they to their name, peninsular steam, nation company. From that peninsular routing that they are taking its agreement. Who peninsular I feel like some law enforcement officer probably uses that sobriety test and I repeat the following: words to me right. Rural juror peninsular. Yes, anyway, I, the young man, is absolutely correct. They began actually as a They began travelling to this peninsula and to Egypt,

to deliver mail as yet as a postal route, but are they began becoming new known for this great route and you could ride along for a nominal fee. The first vessel built asked for luxury cruising came only a few decades later Prepossessing Victoria, Louise of Germany, designed by a guy with the name, get this Albert Balin designing ships decades, and that was in nineteen hundred? and so now fast forward to twenty seventeen. Is we record this crucial or popular around the globe, and every market trained just indicates that they will become even more popular in the coming years. Window of the full name be pleasure, crews, it's a pleasure crew That's really good point pleasure crews, there's a wide variety of pleasures taken a pleasure cruised play

That's nice, any leaders street to think of how harrowing a journey a law both trip would be and has in round history. I how many people die when you take a long ship journey back in. They are even not long before this time in nineteen hundred, you would have serious issues with having enough food and water on the ship for enough for the people and be comfortable there and, if sickness. The major machine, like you know best Sant sanitary conditions and spreading disease. You know, and people here about people getting now. Curvy and what not? Unlike an malnutrition, I would think that the idea of a pleasure crews had to be a pretty big marketing, push to make that fly, nothingness, red and also, probably you now for the wealthy, the ones you gotta, who hang up top, while we know that the steerage,

down below was where the air my guest, the employee in some of the less fortunate. Passengers and hang out and honestly as it hasn't changed since it beyond the sea or the Arabs, have flown coach only rough. Why are there always knew weird gradations of luxury? complains, there's like economy me plus they all have significantly more. I don't change anything. The latest change the wording I mean always planes that you fly on their like the same ones from they still have ashtrays and re. Read re now feel that when a dogma but I think it is a good comparison sue. I, the market predictions estimated by twenty twenty. Almost twenty five million people will take a cruise each year and, of course, this the current every industry. When something goes wrong in the world a cruise ships, people can die one of them,

famous cruise ship tragedies. Yes, that's true! Folks, we are getting to appoint here. It's not just us talking about whether we're going to take a cruise. We are exploring one of the most infamous tragedies in modern maritime history, the sinking of the titanic. What's a bummer the silent for Thou art is talk about cruises. They didn't sign up to sink, or did they lightweight never mind if you were a refund on your ticket for the bikers then we'll have to Celtic there's some cool stuff here you guys stuff that I was unaware of, and it certainly was not addressed in june- Cameron's blockbuster smash. Titanic loves which allegedly have you heard the rumour about I'd. Have they got dosed with their lsd or something like that. Oh I will, with the making of the film I heard the James Cameron, really just wanted to explore the wreck

judge in a submarine. We may that movie to neither the Marianna trenchant, little tiny silver but now I heard that he was such a monster- that, somebody dose was trying to dose him with LSD and ended up like dosing all of the food on the spread of suddenly, therefore, the click click the whole crew and cast with LSD, there. They burn, causing me Oh, I'm not heard that work with that Someone with do don't worry. We won't put you on. The summer with experience and that in that field, let us know if a fairytale dosing, multiple people, if LSD, would work in food. I'd never heard that. That's fascinating our guys I found it is. Apparently it was some much lsd, laced chowder that was intended for Mr Cameron by others, ended up eating. I envy assistant zone and I are nine article by the way excellence I ve some director, apparently guess how freaked out he stabbed James Cameron in the face with a pencil. Oh my

sure, I'll see you shouldn t other people's chowder multiple lessons to learn here. An end, the history of the Well, I don't know the history of the real titanic is, as in dignan. Bizarre as that he is no on the film, but we do the history of the actual Titanic too, which is relatively lsd, free CAS dates, to nineteen o seven. What a guy named James Bruce is May, who is the son of the other guy named Thomas? He founded the way, star line of ocean liners on the idea that people would travel farther by ship. If the vessels were chest, of luxury is enough for them to two wanna stay on that ship, like a pleasure crew yeah. The idea of I don't want to be on the ship for two days, but if I can go both

on that ship. Maybe I will, if there's a tab if its opulent, even if there are servants you like a drink ends as much as I want. Whenever I want sure for some reason I feel like people in the early twentieth century did that anyway, I'm feeling getting drunk on a cruise ship would be a recipe for disaster businesslike. What have you of mild seasickness wouldn't have been exacerbated by you. No alcohol consumption the two. I wonder if you I imagine the many people acclimated to run for a week. Gipsy legs did you see, lags yes exactly, and mostly people are on the slots the casino just cleaner, you a cruise Part of the reason that is me was inspired? Do this he had a partner Word Pirie, whose chairman of horror, the wolf shipbuilders and purer kept

I can about the Mauritania and the Lusitania, which were the newest vessels of something called the king, ordered line. He's Mean Pirie were convinced, They can create bigger and better and more luxurious ships. So then they imagined three giants. The gigantic which would has an added also enabling it later would change its name to the Britain. It re much more luxurious sounding the olympic and the Titanic, the title, initiatives taking to be so partially guys. You have no idea how posh they're gonna, be there fast there going to be so safe, we're gonna, get you there in style and their huge. I gigantic was an appropriate name. A Jew doesn't have the same. Ring is britannic, but then you you think Titanic is, after a titan, which is another just giant thing, saying nor giant. I want,

They had another name for Olympicum, we're just too embarrassed to put it in the history books. Was it just big Bigley Big, big boy, bigger, drawn so the titanic itself. Was you know not I likely named. It was almost nine hundred feet long and wise was ninety three feet wide. It wade almost forty five thousand times two reciprocating engines, each of which were about four stories tall, that's incomprehensible! For me, There were three propellers. Two of them were like look over twenty three feet in diameter and one. There was affordably propeller that was seventeen feet near the seventeen feet in diameter near the ship's, rudder and eight could make it they could generate enough horse power too.

I get it to the insane speed of twenty seven point six miles per hour, which I know does not sound impressive. But again, this thing is like nine hundred feet, long to be that you jack and then stopping it is an issue river ship with so much. Fifthly, titanic that it actually could not be constructed on Ding docks and launching side, so they actually had to build Whole new set of dogs called the White STAR dogs and the great gain tree, which was a series of fifteen massive frame the allowed them to accommodate all of them Parts of the ship building process, so the title: was finished and nineteen twelve token estimated eleven, thousand people to build it. I can't even picture what that would like? How do you even like manage eleven thousand people

that I can egyptian period. I was thinking the same thing. It's insane and all in all, the cost estimated seven point five million dollars, which today would amount with inflation to about a hundred and eighty nine million one hundred eighty six thousand seven hundred and seven dollars and ninety sense that twenty seventeen dollars and here's the big thing They called it unsinkable. Spoiler relating to follow through with that promise him. They were wrong. We're so so very wrong in here, lies the kernel of today's episode. Or is it he'll thought that let's do it commercial brick, though we're

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And we are back, as you know. Well as we, you may very few assumptions on the show book for this, we're just going to assume that everyone knows that the Titanic is indeed single and sank, what you may not know is the true story of how this disaster occurred. We're gonna set the scene for you walk through this pretty quickly, hopefully and ass. We relying a lot on some excellent work by our colleagues at House of war, Website on their article, how the titanic worked, which you can breed for more information, but things are eventually going crazy, Erin, yes school this set sail from his large insight in Belfast. Southampton. England, in April of nineteen twelve Titanic picked, that passengers from England it moved along, France and not Queenstown Ireland, to get the rest

like you ve there about two thousand two hundred neat passengers and eight hundred ninety nine officers and crew, so going to the class system we mentioned earlier. There were three hundred and twenty nine first class travellers, several of whom work titans of industry for of industry. So I dont see tight, not the time to an eighty five second class travellers and seven hundred and ten third class travellers. Salzburg down from these clauses. Really fossils! Look at the cream of the crop that first class we're done primarily wealthy industrialists and the people, they call their families, hopefully actually therefrom. These are entourage, Roger sure, their personal servants and among these people were too well known John Jacob Astor, the fourth of the Astor family that you may have heard of before on the show one of these wealthy that made their money on what Ben Opium opium

They put a lot of its and then J P Morgan, another name that you have heard before they undoubtedly and Mr Morgan was forced to cancel his passage due to insert and here there are so many different since I have been given for him having to cancel. He says, One thing other it will seem do other things will explore it a little later Among the second class, passengers were business, members of the clergy were also teacher signal schoeffer who were traveling second class and and third class or steerage are the part where who is that actor leaner, Dicaprio? That's where he would have been in the in the titanic film? First class tickets were pretty expensive around twenty five.

Five hundred dollars, that's between forty four thousand in over eighty thousand today Oh and eighty thousand dollar take it now granted that's top of the line yeah, I'm sure you essentially have an apartment on the sea. At that point, but then you will be the third class ticket and it's gonna be obtained for around thirty five dollars at the time or six hundred dish dollars now Cyber Cuvier, seeing this for which one for the third class steerage six hundred and six hundred bucks and precis today's dollars. I know about anything like you know, even for today's dollars when paints. Six hundred, I would expect more than. Steer a six hundred dollars to how many days, crews, you know you're talking multiple days alone, issue that we are laying their last. I gotcha but lead also point out that for their ticket, I dont know if we have the notes, but it is true.

That the conditions did radically different. There were two bathtubs for everybody in third class, like two bathtubs for seven, people, but that also, where are the sweet? Irish dancing took place if we are to believe the excellent documentary by James Cameron, rats yet in so fast forward its April fourteen nineteen, twelve third day of the of the voice, the water is around twenty eight degrees. Fahrenheit is very colds dangerously called if round the open ocean around new. That day, the type tactics Call me wireless operators, that of Marconi Radio very cutting edge it this time, but also very new technology they received, The first of what would be a total were cautionary messages about large ice floes ahead

second message: five, thirty, five from a ship that reported three icebergs, just nineteen miles north of titanic path. And just one hour before, the collision vessel name the californian message, the titanic we so and surrounded by ice, and apparently the person who was manning the Marconi much what they called it at that? there's no Mean Marconi on the Titanic, replied shut up, I am busy. I am working Cape Race, the captain, Captain Smith, wasn't worried about icebergs. After all, he was piloting a mass or captain rather massive steel behemoth. Instead the story goes. He was concerned about shattering speed records set by other means, maritime behemoths high. I can imagine that, taking your mind awful, what's around you and just focused on the instrumentation goin on

to be tried to be responsible. It is his jobs. We told an officer name like dollar, who was station on the captain's bridge that, if the night in two hazy he should be alerted immediately and they would slow the ship's speed, but the night was clear and so the titanic sped on there were two officers, one by the name of Frederick Fleet, the other Reginald Lee, who were The observation port fleet was getting at the end of a shift when he saw the iceberg and said I think so he sounded the alarm, call down the bridge and a full thirty seven seconds pass before first officer, William Murdoch, shut off the engines dropped the watertight doors to the bottom. Compare because the ship was made up of these different departments that were unable to flood and keep the water from spreading elsewhere, and that's a big issue

led to the ultimate sinking of the ship was that these things did not work as expected. I'm sorry, kill the engines shut the doors and turned the ship away from its front end so that the iceberg till the ticket, on the side, the right right. They did not have enough time to make a complete stop or even to turn away. Sobbing ship would have required. A half mile in this iceberg was nine hundred feet from the ship there. That's that oh no moment if you're in your car and you're in traffic or something- and you realize you have to stop, but oh I'm too, close to fully apply the brakes here. I have to go to the side of this vehicle or the enemy one and then have happening. Was the iceberg. Just gonna shredded the side of the ship and dragged along the edge of Erin, creating up huge distance scar. Enriched and for a few minutes. I look like their last Maneuver may have worked from this

earth is the ship appeared. Is the iceberg, but under need, whereas we know icebergs a much larger, ripe, protruding fragment of ice ripped a hole through the title told just like I know said if this was shuddering were or showing initial irregularities in movement. It was subtle and were undetected or excused as the heavy groaning. Machinery Captain Smith surveyed the flood damage he and phoning Thomas Andrews. The whole must be nearly three hundred feet. Why? But in reality it was a tear smaller and smaller, like six lacerations about three and a half square feet, but

not only did the captain's navigation attempt not work. It made things worse and move the titanic from the sturdiest place to withstand the impact to the most vulnerable point, and even the smallest gash cause is terrible result. So earlier we mentioned how the compartments could close ripe. These watertight things to prevent the spread of floodwater five compartments had already begun to flooding. Captain Smith said this was going to sink. Unquestionably, we have, he predicted an hour or an hour and a half left before it would slip to the bottom of the Atlantic and here's the thing the titanic. Didn't just sick. There ports, where my witnesses that testified that it acts. We broke completely in half an hour. It's actually supports these accounts You see the middle of the ship. The you ve got stress of these- the Waterford compartments it we're talking about right. That's a ton of weight and

as one of the like ends began the keel out of the water like come up and rise. You got all that weight in the centre and it just broke in half, there's so much pressure. Their distress reached around thirty five hundred pounds per square inch on the boat deck itself. In that's fifty percent more stress, then this whole ship was meant to take their weapon life jacket to go around. That's the Good NEWS. There were built of cork, which is weird but that's weird back then one would hope. However, those of the two thousand and two hundred million passengers in the almost nine hundred crew members room for only eleven hundred and seventy six for them in the lifeboats at twelve Forty five, a m so April of now the captain gave the crew orders to start lowering lifeboats, leading the first class passengers through the boat, DEC ah and everyone Billy's aim kick that little girl off the lifeboat. I remember

without a bill is aimed at least not at night to disparage permanent begbie. In the actor playing a jerky first class passenger who was roses original love interest, but as it turned out the happy young lad leaf record Africa, one her heart there is a moment, well now I she was in love with him died. She was alive and as far as it goes further than I think sounds got absolutely spoiling the assassination Miriam wherever right, so forging lifeboats, they can carry sixty five people to emergency, see boats. They can carry thirty five people, afore collapsible boats. They can carry forty nine people by two a m. All these boats been lowered the ships, passengers and crew, still remained in that port from the film is a true story. The ban did play on as the ship sank, though, books have some real.

They have real spine ever less and less and less great yeah trading. The family friendly way to sit on is here as a spur who's gonna go at first. Actually, they played the sum choice they played. This is ever and I am very bizarre mecca trivia. Gay for you at the sound of choice, was nearer my God to the, which is a old him went ashore called the car Pavia arrived rescue survivors. They found a floating disaster, you know lifeboats or adrift passengers or shivering death. Surely deeply traumatize the ship gap Fort boats in seven hundred and twelve survivors, which more than fifteen hundred passengers and crew were dead, and I'm sure, maybe another specifically, but in a regulations now would require you not to book more people than you have safety equipment for re yeah, that's a pretty big oversight. Usually I buy tickets that you know

six hundred dollar inflated ticket value price for that low level. Also, that's where the flooding happen too was down in steering nearer. He and I are having to deal with that. And then they get up top escape only to realise that they are doomed yeah. Apparently, the third class passengers were not allowed up until the first and clap and second class passengers been accounted for, which is just discussed in every time. Every time I think I've got a handle on, I humanity's dark potential man. Something like this happens. The show is changing me yeah one there's something to be said about cruising enough swear if you do fall into the water, it's over pretty quickly like that, I don't know that. Seems like yeah just seems. Are you behind the, unless you ve got contained see a contingency measures

Also. You know this is the top of the line, its best in class ship, unthinkable right right right, but apparently not unbreakable on terrible, terrible, yeah, so the official story. It see a tremendous loss of life, finance catastrophe a cultural catastrophe, they take spend almost a century rotting at the bottom of the ocean, creating new shipwreck ecosystem and added official story, but what, if something more to the story? Here's where it gets crazed so, as with any large scale disaster in the modern age. We all know this I'll turn theories about the titanic, begin to circulate in the years following events, so we got together and looked at some of the most prevalent some of the most plausible, which there are few them

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it is making that thing. Beep, the first theory surrounding the sinking of the Titanic is when you may have heard, and it has to do with the glue banking elites that sank, their ship kill off their opponents and people who think that this is true believe This was essentially in assassination of sorts a scatter shot a wide shot assassination attempt on Several highly important people in the banking world. There is a legacy british crime show I saw where there was a story line involving a man murderer there was actually trying to assassinate a very specific group of people, but just killed a bunch of People to cover the tracks of the motive is gonna like that, make it look like an accident. Well, we know that people have a bizarre plane crashes, often

so this this then be an act of terrorism who are they actually after in a way it? Would they weren't killing the firstly killing the entire boat, they wanted. A few people write like like now This mentioning what you got the Astor the gentleman asked or John Jacob EAST Strauss and Benjamin Guggenheim, another familiar name of rings, a little somethin there of the Guggenheim like Museum in last year's all were millionaires and they're all opposed to this idea of creating a central a private central bank within the United States, because it's gonna negatively affect their personal, regions and the fingers you ve got in the pies of the banking world inside the: U S, eight, that analogy,

its grocer, let its eyes like his you ever seen. Somebody actually have their finger and apply movie back in the early two, thousands american pine. It wasn't a finger right. Yes, Europe ok the pictures, our ethical, that humanity in the pie, but we guys eyesore using so these three men particular. According to this theory, were against them formation of the federal reserve- oh yes, the creek, from Jackal Island. Yes, so named, because the plans for the Federal Reserve were controversially created, a faint Ass island off the coast of Georgia, the state another country in nineteen thirteen. So it is a controversial thing retiring? You know the central bank for an entire country will whoa whoa whoa

we use now. Is quasi government? Was I government investor? Ok? So, according to this, p, Morgan and Rock of Rockefeller in the various franchises. Excuse me: families are thing were conspiring to remove what could be saved two opposition, here's the thing It is true that J P Morgan had a personal sweet. Board, the ship with his own private deck. If you believe that and He had a customized living area and there he was booked on. Ships Maiden voyage, but instead he cancelled the trip and you may you hurt us earlier allude to what the various reasons? Why wouldn't what did you guys here, man it all kinds of stuff? I already said he wouldn't feel so well, no stay home and then convalesce

but he may have just stayed in France member how you're saying how the Titanic left whenever the France then went to Ireland, it seems that he he stayed in the french resort to enjoy. You know some morning massages some sulphur bass that the kind of things you do in your Morgan. Sulphur bath sulphur bath, if I go about would solve, instead of water now- and I am so line- I am I not. Are you lying as you don't know? No, I imagine I don't know for sure, but I imagine explanation or some feeling, if its first be restored of ending. This is a time when people really believed in curative springs, so it was probably Natural naturally occurring source, sad sulphurous content in the water smell animas, your honour, the area on Harvey Kellogg smells great, over bathroom yogurt all over your parts.

To mention the guy who invented Graham crackers. That's a whole another as a whole. Another, no don't know your story that for another day, This is a black hole. Gummy bears the whole boy is that Morgan's abroad, cancellation decision to not beyond the ship seen as asbestos at all and we will also just as I know this is so interesting. We will also do another episode in the future. If you would like on, bizarre, strange origins of commonplace: snacks silverware, another seemingly innocuous products. You are absolutely right that this last minute cancellation. Whatever reason did, apparently, the story is there was last minute: if fuelled speculation. He had it.

Knowledge of the fate of the titanic, and there are very few variations in the steering in some versions. De three men on the boat were opposed to income tax legislation chronologically that when doesn't really work out, a court into other people, Jesuits for some reason: Lord these men on their ship we should point out that there is also no. There's, not a lotta hard evidence on this one particular end Are we do know that maybe plane crash can occur. We know that there have been questionable ass were aircraft accidents before this seems like it's asking why they could would bring down a ship

with a hundred and ninety million dollars to kill three people. That's exactly my thought of spending that much money to make the ship we do have it now destroyed. We must ensure this also likeness, better ways to assassinate people, easier, not that they don't rely on hitting a nice spur seems I haven't, stands going on. It's like a rube Goldberg really is I mean I I would be brilliant. It would be brilliant when I fear this is a stress. Some of the other ones, though, are a little less stretching. Will here is the other thing I did what, if Titanic, never sank, it all. That's preposterous That's real with that. I will with the real when I hear we outlined, with which I was not familiar, so we said earlier that there were three boats in this giant class right: the jet

again to the massive on the big boy boy. And showed to do and low nuggets whatever there? names are their official names when they launch were the Olympic, the Britannic and the Titanic. What, if people argue the titanic, rather than sinking was the victim. Or a beneficiary of identity theft but if it was switched at the last minute for its sister ship, the limp here I just don't understand why you would do that today. And it is the big reason lay. This is the thing you're showing off right accordingly, most famous police theory returning robbing gardener theirs. Much more to the story gardener. Were called titanic. The ship never sank. The question mark we put near there. We go so this author,

which several other events and coincidence is that occurred in the months days. Hours leading up to the disaster and concludes Should that sank was actually the olympic disguised as the Titanic, and it was insurance scam by the owners of the ocean the concern which was the International Mercantile Marine group who bought It's our line in nineteen o to end the controller of Marine Group wise J, p Morgan, O J P, O J P, Heavy J himself. Okay, I so the Olympic check this out was the slightly older sister of the Titanic. It was launched in October of nineteen tens or a couple years earlier, the exterior profile, was nearly identical to the Tight annex II for a few minor details on we're talking about stuff, like the number of portholes on one area of the ship. So here's one example: gardeners argument: the guard.

Says, the most ships were built with linoleum floors, but shortly before she was due to set sail J Bruce is made a direct your wife's, our line. Legally ordered the floors aboard Titanic be carpeted over something else. The motivation in this theory is that the Olympic had already been involved in a couple of accidents, and it This would essentially be an insurance scan so you'd collecting insurance. The first thinking the Olympic Right, you would still be in a killing. Hundreds of people near you you would essentially be killing hundreds of people for a little less than our day. Our modern equivalent of two hundred million dollars Do you think the Arab League, VAT, of a human life was in nineteen, twelve something the same thing. We should calculate that bring it back and another episode has that's frightening. What is our

value here, that's a good one day like that of the title yeah value of human life. I don't know I mean I don't know it, I said things were getting a little less stretching because animal cabins This year there is a lot of the time and there I dont think I would put it passed. A J P, Morgan type to value and investment over lives of hundreds of people. Here I can, I mean in principle like an absolutely agree, because I mean here it would be harder to do if it wasn't like. Actually active event It is only a candid blow up the ship. It dry dock at people, ask me about that, unlike in who thinking, how do you force it hidden? spurred like today, mess with the right like what? How would you accomplish this right? I think that Perfect set up no because we're gonna, go into theories about,

so gentle occurrences, but Within those were also going to find something that could lend a little credence to her aunt or perhaps the question of how someone would intentionally do this injustice jump here, talking about insurance. For you know we are discussing how people are devil. You know, collect insurance on this. This work, a huge investment right, no matter what happens to the titanic If something bad happens, the people there we are for sure gonna try and collect as much as they possibly can on it right. Like it matter they in their mind, I can't say what their thinking, but it doesn't matter how many people got hurt or died for declaring their unsure three eyes. You were saying here, and it is time to ascribe motive without hard documentation, let's go into even less star strategy. I like that, are less stretching theories. The aid password accidental occurrences one

and this is so terrible, so wrong turn Louise Padding was the granddaughter of the ships most senior surviving officer. The melee mentioned Charles Light or claims. He told his wife, a crew member turned the ship quote the wrong way and into the course of the iceberg. After officer William Murdoch, first spy and gave a hard STAR Board order crews. Liner was operating under two communication systems are in direct conflict with one another and two thousand ten Louise Patten told the Gordian Uk Paper that egg, and turn hard to. Starboard meant turn the wheel right under one system and left under the other cause I'd. Imagine they would have map of known iceberg. Areas Rayner like you know. If there was a cluster they problem,

it would have been charged it. I would think it would be a little difficult because it could be mobile. That's true, binding so by bus. Other communication systems, we're talking about you're. There are largely visual and verbal will you do or on these were on the ship to, but we have to keep in mind God numerous warnings. There were at least four different warnings throughout the day leading up to the accident after midnight so interest. Yesterday they kept on maybe the Damn was a bit arrogant speaking. I just said it's tough to ascribe mode of it now like doesn't this guy? Well, there things to re run. There were questions about whether or not the actual materials there. To build the ship were possibly not up to snuff or even a shortage, viewing binoculars a shortage of inability to view icebergs. That has the potential to be a problem which is

You know when you think about it. If that is true, if there were weak ship building materials, There was a shortage of binoculars and a shortage of lifeboats, the sustained some more more like some corners were being caught outside of the public eye, here is the most plausible this. My answer that earlier question about. How someone could purposefully plan to Poland, scam. If that's what? If that actually happened, is most plausible, or less at least the least impossible that a coal fire either significantly contributed to or is directly responsible for the disaster. Theirs is journalist, name. I sit on Maloney nuclear Mister Maloney, because I'm not sure if I'm pronounce your name correctly,. Maloney as documented called tightening the new evidence in it. He argues that a fire been smouldering bunker number six, one of them

school bunker boiler rooms the Titanic The ship left Belfast Well, was burning the whole time and. It sounds crazy, but it's true that call coal has the ability to combust like this. Here that bunkers, where the iceberg toward the biggest hole in the ship on its maiden voyage, according to the independent moorings Photos of the Titanic showed dark marks on the side of the ship not facing the dock, hinting at existing fire and there's never been put to sea, and we have a quote from Maloney for you: the affair, sure Titanic inquiry branded the sinking as an act of God in a simple story of colliding with an iceberg and thinking it's a perfect storm of extraordinary factors coming together. Fire

ice and criminal negligence. It was very game of those so that I'd when they really stuff was now it and I M so yeah. I wasn't expecting the fire nice bed, he goes on, I don't know why talks like this. Does he does? I guess we have experts telling us that we Get that level of temperature against steal. It may brittle and reduced strength by up to seventy five percent. The fire was known about and briefly addressed at the inquiry, but it was played down. It is absolutely true that there was a fire on the ship. What what how's the new regulatory or theoretical part of this- is blaming the fire for the sinking of the ship. Once the iceberg did the fight, create weakness. In the end the metal in the material According to an engineer for the geological society of America and Ohio State University, though anymore Albert eyes and I attach,

to control the core fire in the bunker could have been the reason the Titanic sailed so quickly through an area littered with icebergs, so that would are you know in the film they're trying to set a speed record and light. Some kind of oceanic Icarus, they go too far, Joe to hide my analogy not working today. The reasoning here would be that they're going that quickly because they're having an emergency essentially yet, There are huge issue with this fire. We have to get to a dark somewhere and take care of this quite possibly, and to connect the dots maybe Jp Morgan one could argue, knew about the fire and didn't go. To connect the dots further, if we're playing a little bit of breadcrumb rabbit whole game, maybe The fire was intentional to beef, There is absolutely no hard proof of this at all. This is this.

Speculative, the least the, BP, Morgan's reaction to the fire right near a lotta myths about this sort of stuff that are becoming folklore at this point. However, we do know that there really was a fire, and we know that this is not the end of the alternative Greece, because now we are waiting to be very, very strange, stuff, but even allegations of the paranormal yeah. Did some man tell them future or somehow prescribe the events that would occur to the titanic in a novel written in eighteen. Ninety eight new! futility or wreck of the type the guy named Morgan Robertson, enforced years. Before the titanic. Menace demise he wrote a novel, It had a lot of similarities to what happened to the Titanic.

Had to do with insurance fraud? and he her think that this guy predicted it was revised by the author in nineteen twelve after the Titanic, sank to make the ship a little bigger de France yeah just like me, a little more similar to the events of the titanic, probably to sell copies, and a soup. Still? There are multiple purported similarities between the events depicting the story in the true story, Botanic, which of course were some of us will call to mind leaf Miss narrative of Arthur Gordon Pimm of Nantucket written by EDGAR Allan POE a bizarre whence it in a very dark when, where poor writes a story about Some people lost at sea and survival, cannibalism and in later, something very much like that happen soon and when she spoke that postal reform,

Poor did a good job of spoiling himself. We sang enemies favorite of his stories on a hack? No, no, to see no in Robertson's tail futility, yet one of the main characters or one of the characters gets off onto the iceberg and with believe a child and then is for to do some battle with a polar bear that is also making residence on the iceberg. That's gets had a fine, then terrifying. Yeah, but you know it's a story that I would want to read. If I was in eighteen, hundreds speaking of game of France, This is why my group is zombie polar bears. Golly there right there I have No idea what you're talking about not really spoiler Salami polar bears. I've. Just I've. I've been pretending. You know a game or through answers for the past several years, so

no, please don't give me your head. I for one feel betrayed me: that's the Congo, not be mad at you, budgets disappointed which some have so much worse. I blame my parents upright, ah well, We can fantastic ass, were there couple, others that are their pretty strange. This isn't so much a conspiracy theories, paranormal stuff. There was a another writer in eighteen. Eighty six, british writer named William T stead who had a short story called how the Atlantic mail Steamer went down. Steamer in the Atlantic, collides with another vessel shortage of lifeboats on board, causing enormous loss of life, in a decade later, Stead was a passenger on the Titanic and he was one of the fifth around Tina thousand hundred. Who did not make it? Woe and then the very last one would receive because

it's just so it's so strange and feel feels more like creepy pastor Orient campfires story. Why The mystical versions of the crash is associated with the legendary folklore. Of the Faroes animal feed, ship was carrying the mummy of an ancient egyptian priestess that belong to Lord Centerville ship. Get to New York where their title, I remember the hold shipping days of these boats still happening to us. The damage to the box, with the exhibit, was placed on the captain's bridge. No allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, they ve got more kicks. The head of the mummy. There was a statue of OSIRIS according to the story or Cyrus courses. We remembers the egyptian God of death. Words. Inscribed on this were allegedly allegedly allegedly rise from the ashes. And let your eyes strike those who stand in your way.

So is it talking about the iceberg? Were the boat Will you do an entire episode? I would be surprised if our friends stuffy Missin history classes. The fish no have already done in episode on the alleged cursed a fair don't want? Have we I don't need a video and did a video, but we haven't done has been an audio guess why to write it down guys here we go and he D Ddt. Yes, so we have some great ideas for upcoming stuff. There we have. We the bizarre origins of otherwise innocuous things. Cereal, Graham crackers mystery shut up to our friends at food stuff. Who delve into some excellent history and culture of food, and if you want to check that out- and we also have the the faroes curse. So We hope that you have. We hope that you have enjoyed

Exploring these alternative theories at this point most people are the vast majority of humanity believe official narrative with me. Strongest other contender being the idea There was a fire control bidding the to the disaster, the other stuff It is interesting and it leads us to a bunch of different possible threats right but in the end way what he would do you guys think for me it remains a tragedy that happened, because a lot of a domino effect of things there were occurring. Maybe just I'm too deep in the official story, but I still see it as way. Nothing has convinced me thus far about this stuff, though the fire thing. That's it first, I would say

official story also as corroborating first hand witnesses in terms of survive people who are actually there, I It would be amazing if somebody could replace an entire ship and disguise it it's so amazing an astonishing, because it is a bit design, insanity in jars of planning, and it seems very difficult. Woody signal think it was those fat cats. Standards of industry. Just like wonder, kill everybody for insurance money they knew they were gonna, get a lifeboat, Mercedes colluded Dick! I don't know man, it is it just depends on who who holds the policy like who specifically holes policy to benefit vassenka, but still at that level of feels. Yes, remember that boardgame mouse trap that barely ever worked. It feels like

a level of unnecessary complexity comparable to mousetrap. Even in those days I mean you had some semblance of like you know, sniper, kind of equivalent to their poisoning early. Someone did someone with a terminal disease to perform a hit so that their family can benefit again. I wouldn't get should ensure its money, but a y know. What was the problem of the issue were now seems like an awfully could get if you wanted to make back on insurance scam. You think you do with like I've been assurance for a human merla yeah, another link, building, gazillion dollar luxury, dinner. Ranging em it sink with people on its citizens. Collect the insurance money It doesn't seem to add up right. Maybe these got into do they build three of rain, and that is true,

that is true, and that would be the equivalent of just under six hundred million dollars, but still, oh, yes, that other episode we're going to find out how much each of us is worth listen, I think just raw materials is the best is to later People ever get. It boils down the copper. We did their illegal organ training stuff. Maybe we can. We can fix I like what would each of our organs be worth on the black market and then would be the lifetime value of us like in like in slave labour, yeah yeah. That's it that's a pursuit to do check out the red market. If you have not, I have you ever listened, yet, but make sure you're not listening to it while you're eating it is. There is some very disturbing content in there and more

Importantly, we would like to know what you think about these stories. One of the more interesting things to us. I believe in these sorts of situations- is that so time has passed, knew that there's a pretty who clearly cemented com after narrative that every upon which everybody agrees But as we know, those sorts of things can be overturned, often throughout human civilization. Any it's! It's terrified. How often that can happen we have to remember this is a species that truly thought Troy was made up city for centuries, and then some guy found it and it's real So we'd like to hear your take not just on this flight on other maritime disasters of human history or your opinion on cruises, If you want to find us, look first twitter and Facebook, where we are conspiracy stuff.

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