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here, we have leave. Certainly, we haven't been limited to true cried out, but I think there's sand, to earn a lot of the cases you found or a lot of the phenomenon we have investigated can be traced back to when I see mundane, I dont want to sound like him, diminish in it, but earthly mundane terrestrial crimes varied you, no anger, lusts gluttony, the hits the since all the sense so we should also say at the top. I M very excited about some stuff. We have coming up I d a mention and believe off air about a very interesting story. I found through folklore that also interacts are intertwined rather with true crime. Ok and then,

that folklore stuff is going to get dark, so stay tuned for that in a few weeks. But for now, Today's episode we are travelling through the power the mind to Texas to South Texas, to town called Laredo and Laredo is going to be fascinating, for Anyone who is not familiar with the area for anyone who is not from the states even and that's because borders despite all the above, be here in the news Borders historically have now been sharply. The marketed things borders, slide into one another ripen than the first borders were old terrestrial obstacles. Impassable mountain ranges Unfordable rivers were gigantic oceans. Orb deserts were nothing, could go.

Yes, essentially, everything on this side of whatever this on thing is, is one place and, on the other, to other absolute but if you look at La Radio Texas, I in then you look at new wave overrate o, which is immediately across the border, like it looks like almost a city in two or a town in he looks like a city with a river that by sex it exerts Rio Grande exactly so that this is agreed because now it is increasingly borders are politically Denmark hated Ray, one of the one of these, incredibly effective. An entirely immoral. I was he

we'll strategies that european powers used to subjugate native peoples on the african continent was the creation of political borders. So let us take a look at the european forces, would say at the natural demarcations people have made for thousands of thousands of years this community, or this try Bore or this nation tier well, let's bisected! So now they live in three different areas and they can't gather is easily it. Some Sesar gerrymandering but much more brutal one. Yes, either with the with the fact being, of course, the removal of power from the people in this means. That in terms of social impact borders, whether there based on an insurmountable obstacle or whether there are based on the political aims of

people drawing the maps, lay still have a very powerful effects on the people who live in the area, and this border between the United States of America and Mexico has been The domestic and international news for time now for for a couple of years, really the campaign slogan from the Trump administration that launch listen to the list of international media and, as we are were this, these President issued a national emergency dealing with border security. Yes, that is correct. Declared a national emergency Win Congress rejected the executive branches. Initial request for money to build a wall, a physical bear

physical barriers already exist different points. The border, but this pitch was for the construction of a contiguous barrier of some sort. What would that barrier be exactly and sordid changes depending on the new cycle. You know but when you hear about these southern border between the United States and Mexico. Nowadays, Europe, merrily going to hear about the ongoing debate? Should the? U S, old or extend the existing physical barriers across the span of the border. If so, who should pay for this you know, and what would be? What would the benefits? If any be? What would the consequences, if any be you will hear widely varying and Wild Lee varying ideas and takes this, whatever you tune into the news or whatever pie cast you listen to

Today's episode is not about that wall, not about that to barrier. Nor is it about the debate involved. Is physically, where we are. It is the where we are right. You see folks there as side of the border, and it's about two hundred and forty kilometers southwest crime or the lack of crime along this. Very border and today story does concern crime, but perhaps not the some of us might initially assumed, so we somewhere in Laredo where's, the radium out. What can you tell us about Laredo? What is this? What is this thing yet it's in its in southern taxes in the seat of web county there. It's immediately honour the the Rio Grande, as we discussed the Rio Grande Separate it from New Laredo, which is on the mexican side of the border, and about two hundred and four,

we kilometers southwest of San Antonio, that's your biggest a landmark of sorts, serious city. Mark It is about a hundred fifty miles gave yes roughly and it's what you know it's one of the most poured in one of the principal boarding border crossings that exists between Mexico and and taxes, and specifically from to get from Mexico into texts and that's illegal border crossing. Correct, ok, legal boy, s little border crossing. Yes, man, it's so red leather, yellow right, yes from theatre, kids in the audience, absolutely let's talk about the human beings that are there, so as of twenty seventeen, the population of Laredo was estimated to be about about two hundred and sixty thousand, almost two hundred and sixty one thousand,

population, is roughly ninety five. Ninety five point: six percent hispanic or latino- and this too- the city is rings one the least ethnically diverse cities in the entire country and quick up day I dug in. And a little bit more it isn t. It is, though, on top of the volley least ethnically d, which is another way of saying the most homogenous terms of ethnic, the air in the nation, while witches, which is pretty nuts, because the United States has a lot of pockets of population write us, but Then these will occur in areas where there are there, part of a city that is composed of other pockets. I mean absolutely that's. I would say that very much describes Atlanta, yet reality of pockets, sure an Atlantic is more degraded than many other cities

you're in the modern day, Laredo does have a popular more than, as you said, ninety five percent hispanic were letting identifying people and for some some people. This would be indicative of the the point we made earlier that borders tend we re greying areas, snazzy, what I mean is often people either side of a border wills. The same language turn have a lot of the same customs. Ignore know what I mean, the especially its political border, its dividing an area that already existed. Without the wine marked through it especially if their borders between two countries, like the United States in Mexico, that for centuries early decades we ve had

Trade deals where businesses in them long! That border are also going across that border constantly and all the time when you just think about the the population that actually lives on one side or exists on one side for a large amount of their day, her debt? That area becomes even more yeah yeah yeah. This is not solely a? U S, Mexico phenomenon. You know there are many people who live in the: U S, working Canada, oh yes, versa thing about the the EU, I was yeah. That's it that's what the primo examples for sure, because of the way, that the Eu Travel residency laws. Work is plainly normal too Also, the proximity. The countries is completely normal to wake in one country where you live in then go work in another one and and I don't know- I don't know

be stop and see your your boyfriend, your girlfriend or significant other in a third country just on the way home all the time, all appalled it has done that having I'm? U S? Emission control life. We amend laws on a compromise, we can envying several. So with this idea of borders Here in the? U s we encounter concerns about crime, usually concerns about smuggling of one sort or another drugs, people or we hear things about violence, crime, robberies, gang activity, murder, assault, police, that's reported and then becomes a a noose newsworthy story, at least for a few hours right. It bleeds it leads and one the concerns that often crops up when we talk about I'm at any international border is going

to be the concern of how overblown or how? Nord a phenomenon. Is there a ton of crime, it that's being unreported is there a dearth of crime or a lack of crime with that's being over reported No one murder occur and then that murder leads the news for four months. Those are those are definitely, I would say, the viewpoints from which allowed people form an opinion about crime at borders, yeah yeah biggest realistically, most people don't have time to take week off, drive down or fly down to the border and watch themselves? No you after you have to find new sources were reporting sources that you can trust or or even to take the time just to do some research from a computer. Oh yeah, like what

you on the show you sit down in you know, researching, write about it, nobody s time for that, unless you're getting paid for it, that's not a bad point. It's it's tough, but fair, stuff, but fair, so Let's talk about crime in Laredo from what we we went straight to the official government statistics so passed. Upon the headlines and so on, and what we found is that over the past nine years or so crime in Laredo, has dropped significantly it has not escalated, one of the pitches that you are here for the construction of more physical barriers or contiguous physical barrier is not designed to be a political argument, is designed to be an argument about

security in the idea here is that a crime is increasing and that be Sort of physical barrier will help reduce or mitigate that increase. That's just the argument, as its laid up tunnel p. I agree with it. China people disagree with it. That's the argument, Could he couldn't be more polar? It could not be more bullet. That's that's excellent observation, however, the assumptions of the argument. Follow little bit short in Laredo, because in this town, homicide cases dropped thirty six percent from two Nine to twenty seventeen robbery declined forty seven percent and aggravated assault dropped, thirty percent? This is according to the Laredo Police Department, annual report and twenty seventeen. So crime appears to at least in several key areas, be

going down in Laredo rather than escalating, but there's something else at play here. It's It's not just everybody pull in an shiny, happy people thing every Baden. Suddenly become friends, yeah most violent crime. Rates have dropped by double digits, but sexual offences cases have increased by forty eight percent, during that same nine year span from two thousand nine to twenty seventeen, so other stuff dropped by a third in some cases almost halved, but this stuff increased by almost fifty percent. Dear, that's, that's a tough statistic. Who is certainly wonder why in were not here to analyze that, but it it's a terrible reality.

Terrible reality in force. You could make arguments saying that, maybe there's something wonky in the way it reported. Of course, we do know that, in this country, as unfortunately, is the case in many other Countries there are a lot lotta homicides. They go unreported well in this case, see that there's an anomalous spike everything else is going down. This thing is spiking. Let's look at murder, murder, specifically, murder is dropped, but it's still occurring and you can find some fair. Robust murder statistics in Laredo. Website called City Dash data dot com, and it this compiled all of the murders, sexual assaults- robber. He's burglaries car thats non car theft, arson and so on. Across the town of Cross

Laredo and Nuevo Laredo as well. So let's lists think about who these murderers are or who? These? criminals are, should we give them now like some numbers as to some of these dates- oh yeah, just that so everyone understands so We're looking release this table. That goes from two thousand to until two thousand. Sixteen, the four Looking at murders below number you're going to find between those dates occurred in twenty thirteen, at least the reported ones. And there were only three murders that year. Then, if you see a max would be two thousand three, which is twenty nine murders in that year, so those numbers are fairly low. They seem very low. I we don't have a really good thing. Like compare it to, but over you know, in a big city There are significantly more murders, then, that generally on average per year

I guess the big question is who are people in Laredo, O anew Laredo, who are killing other humans right, who are these murderers? No, we wouldn't wrong. If we were listening to this, someone just shrugged and said, will you Unfortunately, the usual gangs, maybe jilted lovers in Times of passion or employees who are former employees rather may be drug dealers. Human traffickers, you know, criminals, sleaze backs, scam. There are always elements of these crimes. Was in the mix but Laredo It turns out, may have birth, something else, something that is Fortunately much less common, something that is

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years where it gets crazy. Want David Ortiz was a veteran of the. U S navy. He was married with children. Held a bachelors degree from the American Military University and a masters degree. Saint marries Academy in Texas after leave, the Navy Ortiz finds work for the. U S border patrol and he spends ten years their functioning as an intelligence operator or an intelligence officer as an intelligence officer or tease well aware of Laredo Cd Underbelly, the sex workers, the drug dealers, the drug attics, The criminals in the smugglers everywhere making a living on the run. Inside of the law for one reason or another, and so

where along the way, he became a killer. So, let's go to the night of September. Fifteenth twenty eighteen there's an unidentified woman who was at the time she was at least functioning as a sex worker on that night? And met up with a man that she knew at least as David David and she was feeling uneasy about Deciding to, I guess, hang with David were go on a date with David or whatever, and there were two other sex workers that she knew of dead who, by law that she was aware of hadn't been recently killed in one of the People was her personal friend named Melissa, Melissa Ramirez now this man named David earlier, that is called David and this unified woman had already spent some time at the Manor House, and this is the

I guess, overtime, they'd been there for a little while and she began to get increasingly crept out by this man and she was becoming frightened by some of his since he was taking some of his words and especially when she mentioned her friend, Melissa, who had recently been killed. He had reacted so strangely, in fact, she later told it cities and the situation had grown so tense during the conversation that she vile Indeed in the front yard of the house before they went back into the truck and left ostensibly to go to a gas station as this woman who remains unidentified it time, recording leader recounted too,

he's the thought of malicious, stayed on her mind, it's fair to say at haunted her. Then she kept bringing up her dead friend and response. Suddenly, this man, this David, pulled out a gun and grabbed the woman by her shirt. Luckily, I figure fight or flight reflexes were already pretty amp up. At this point, she manages to jump out of the vehicle and her shirt rips from her body during the process, David screeches off he fleas the scene and the woman finds State trooper a near by gas station. She tells the trooper what happened, and then she is also able to tell law enforcement, the location of this David's home David

later be identified as Juan David Ortiz hit out in a hotel parking lot after fleeing officers attempting to apprehend him. He was found and arrested at two hundred and thirty, a dot m and here's the thing Dave was arrested and shortly after he was arrested, he begins spilling the beans essentially just telling all, and he was confessing to very specific things, and when we talk about his motivations of why he was doing what he was doing, which we're gonna get into here in a moment, but his we stated motivation was that he wanted to quote clean up the city and he said that he had in fact killed. This unidentified woman's friend Melissa. He He admitted that he did that on the third of September in that year, twenty eighteen, but that wasn't all he also

first that he had committed more than just that. One murder- that's right according to web county district Ernie cedar online is, or tease saw himself. Someone is vigilante sex workers. He said were the scum of the earth and he wanted to clean the streets. He believed he was doing a service for the city. By committing these murders, he argued that law enforcement was doing enough to curb what and to curb the sex trade tissues sought, which is which, requires a new complication when we consider that certain Tangible evidence indicates Ortiz, wasn't just socially familiar with several of these workers. Several of these victims. He had been sexually involved near with at least one, and she did

he did confessed to these. They were murdered in very similar ways. Furthermore, during his descriptions, the murders and during the arrest and during his confession, he was described as cool or motionless almost robotic, but let's go back to that in a moment. First, Maybe we should talk about who these victims are. We mention Melissa Ramirez, yes, so in total, Ortiz is suspected of care. Four and one kidnapping that would that would be the unidentified woman. Then we simply talk about the timeframe here when you're talking about a serial killer or a spree killer, or even of the differences that we ve covered in several episodes over the course of the years here but all of the murders that at least David or tease,

is wanderer tease is accused of was accused of. There happen from September third tis to September fifteenth. Of the same month. So not much of a cooling down period there between these killings for killings in that time span. So let's go to the first victim that we discussed a tiny bit Melissa Ramirez. She, twenty nine years old when she died, she was killed on the third of September, two thousand eighteen. She was taken to Jeffreys Road in the area and she was shot in the head and then on the thirteenth of September Claudine an lira. Forty two years old was murdered. She was taken to U S eighty three and spur road to fifty five on September thirteenth and she was shot. She do

reach hospital. She died shortly after she reached the hospital, as resulted the gunshot wounds. Essentially, she was shot left for dead now, Griselda Lisi earn end is she was five when she died and she was killed on the fifteenth of September twenty eighteen. She was she was shot, but according to corners, she died due to blunt force, trauma then so shot and then battered yes and the last identified victim at this point is on board this is out there. It is not unreasonable to assume the or tease me have committed on the same day as Griselda on fifteenth of September, two thousand, a eighteen, also through a shot to the head. This victim was a trans woman. Identify

it is such as far as authorities can tell at this time. As far as what's been made publicly available about these confessions that didn't that didn't play into the factor, he was hunting, killing specifically people based on the rocky yes, so this leads us to ask, What else is out there? is not unreasonable to assume that Ortiz may have committed other murders, but it seems odd that he would not have confessed to these as well while admitting to the other four there's, also giving the happen sometimes with cereal murder confessions. We we ve seen this in a cup. Of other earlier serial killer cases, which is if law enforcement as a bunch of opener cold cases. They want to resolve the issue.

They say they, like the monolithic some departments have in the past, offered a prisoner, different perch, no better food, better housing, exe or if they will also the cop to these other unsolved cases, its away to clear the books, yes audibly, unethical, probably on common improbably uncommon thing. So it's happened before so. It's not creed to assume that this could happen again or even is happening now until they differ unrelated case in the piece of or tease it seems that he didn't do it quite possibly with his service weapon, he confessed to every murder he did, and so this leads us to two things. The first thing is was there a serial killer active on the? U S, Mexico Border, this

been the one of those rumours its cropped up in years past, and in this case yes, yes, there was, operating for a very short amount of time. As far as we know just in September of twenty eighteen before his thankfully apprehended, but some of us will call earlier episodes. We talked about the difference between a spree killer and a serial killer yes serial killers, as I think you pointed out earlier, met use We have some sort of cooling down period, it's called so whatever that's civic m O. Is there They commit murder using that specific use, ritualistic set of circumstances or approach, and then they stop for anywhere from days to mom in some cases years and then they rinsing repeat the same behaviour this guy.

In increasingly short interval of cooling down right yet from the thirty September, to the thirteenth and then just two days to the fifteenth and then twice on the fifteen. So this could this was building. Oh yeah, you can, you can definitely Ceuta and again it thank goodness. He was caught when he was because you can only imagine where that gone. I rise as it was wrapping up like that, so the people working in law enforcement who apprehended and arrested him again all things to do quick thinking of this unidentified fifth person. They have literally save lives area, it literally saved lives, so it would seem that, although immense human tragedy and losses occur, here there is, if not a happy ending something.

A bit more satisfactory rank. The we found the monster. The monster was stopped. Damn it get high and again, I know Wheatley were required to say the alleged murderer, because the guy is not gone to court. Yet yeah, it's not been convicted of a crime yet, but he did confess yeah I order you the confession. By do we know There are such things, as course, confessions through TAT, is a very real thing, but it would be a massive surprise if it turned out that he was not, in fact, the person committed these murders. I would agree, however, that not there's not a satisfactory and into the snow. This is one wrinkle right there yeah one David or tease. You know, is in x

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We're back, let's jump to a few months prior to win one David or cheese, was arrested. Let's go to June of two thousand eighteen in that month, Last year, a another border agent, Ronald Anthony Burgos, Aviles, was indicted on two counts of capital. Murder for allegedly killing his twenty seven year old lover. I guess at the time and their twin month year, old, son and prosecutors are currently seeking the death penalty in his case, as well as Ortiz. Exactly there are fewer details of it, the Bible here partially, because the judge presiding over this case issued a gag order at the defendants request. This thence all involved parties from discussing the case publicly. You can still

were journalist interested person I involved in the case. You can still go to public hearings. Those are closed, but a gag order means that prosecutors, the attorneys for the defense, witnesses, police and other officers of the court, the bailiff, stenographer, etc, anywhere were ties. The investigation cannot discuss summarize or comment on the case in anyway. So this case is nascent it's still developing. It has not yet completed its passage through the legal system, that that's one example, but you will see other people arguing that the these two terrible and tragic examples are part of a vigorous,

worry the Texas Observer recently wrote an article called the border patrols. Serial killer is part of a long troubled history, this by a journalist, Gus Bovine, and what we find is that now the the Laredo sector of border patrol alone host around seventeen hundred of the twenty thousand total border patrol agents, and according to this article Ortiz was at least the fourth patrolman tippit instead this year the other cases include Burgos Aviles. We mentioned earlier another another sir, who allegedly sexually assaulted a woman after threatening or with deportation. Another agent, who has not been identified nor arrested, shot and killed an unarmed dear old guatemalan woman in may- and this has been done

a series of very tragic coincidences near our you know maybe a pattern of abuse within loan. For somebody s probably not it is just too that's noted appears to be maybe right and he goes back to the bad apple. Argument were, of course, not people who, work and law enforcement, go outside every day and risk their lives. Yes, sir, in any way casting Spurgeon. On that the questions more about accountability in in these cases know what's happening from two thousand five to two thousand twelve Eu Us customs and border protection agents were arrested over tooth thousand times for misconduct? Things like not all murder, yeah, still things

against lot drunk driving domestic violence, things you to lose your job for a and c p b, customers border protection includes border patrol and customs agents. So it's a larger pool ripe. Two thousand thirteen gum The commission report found that border patrol agencies regularly stepped in the paths of cars to justify firing. Drivers swell shooting a p all throwing rocks, including teenagers, on the mexican side of the border. Yeah remember hearing about a few of those occurrences in the in the news rough now, There has already been widespread speculation that Ortiz might have other victims that have yet to be publicly identified or conclusively linked to him and, as we said before, AIDS weird, it's not impossible, but it's weird that he would readily confess to

four murders, a fifth kidnapping and somehow keep the other stuff out of the news now there's Definitely more to this story. We already noted that, according to the U S legal system, he stalinist he's been tried for crimes. Bentleys convicted can legally be called confirmed, serial killer. But we have to ask: is there more to the story or their murders occurring along the border that are being unreported and if so, where the victims, who are the perpetrators ripe and in how can we bring? How can we be sure that they're, all being found like all of the victims are being even are even known to be missing there such potential, on a border for

someone who may be a part of trafficking or either willingly or unwillingly, that ends up just a victim in never found its. It's pretty terrifying right. These are tough questions in many cases. Unfortunately, they may be unanswerable people can fall through the cracks? You know someone who is. Coverage. Absolutely please please write to us just get give us your experience, if you, if you will, if you want to, because we would like to learn along with Bodies might never be discovered or when discovered, not identified. What we have for today's episode, then is is not a happy ending other than your a buddy, serial killer there, a newly active serial killer was apprehended, thankfully right, but this

is a small snapshot into what may be a larger systemic problem, and if it is a larger systemic problem. If it's not a case of a few bad apples or something like that, then what is this Ocean doesn't solution, exists we'd like to hear from you. You can. Let us know on Instagram let us on Facebook. Let us know on Twitter, additionally tell us about the tell us about the crimes in your neck of the Woods Weather in the: U S were your own country or just a crime. You ve heard of that you boy, the EU has been under reported, tells what happened and why you think it's not getting more coverage. Absolutely please, please write to us. Just get give us yours if you, if you will, if you want to because of

he would like to learn along with you in and learn from your experience, just just before we kind of like do the full wrap up here. I just want to point out something that the Texas Observer pointed out, and that is the number of staff working on border patrol officially at least, and how its increased from leaving the past nineteen years are. I guess they have statistic, for the past seventeen years as of two years ago. That makes sense, though, two thousand to two thousand: seventy and just showing that it will around nine thousand two hundred people officially staffing the United States border in the year, two thousand in that through all the way up. To seventeen days. Five hundred roughly in two thousand eight over the course of eight years, so it does Almost then the now

sheer two thousand: nine it jumped up to the twenty thousand range and it's kind of state between let's say nineteen thousand end when he one fifty over the course from two dozen age does seventeen just to show that you're. That's a lot of people, if you think about. A couple of thousand human beings that your vetting in bringing in to be police officers, essentially in border patrol agents and and the Texas Observer, just makes the point that it's that kind of growth over that amount time seems to be too rapid in order to fully vet all of the humans that your hiring Yes, so maybe they're, just this be a more in depth that in process. Oh, who knows in that's one an argument, you'll, probably here, and you may have heard that one. But again, sometimes you just can't catch that anomaly, because,

operating essentially right in front of your eyes, and you just don't realize it in the case of the kind of festering mental condition that can lead someone to become an active serial killer, it may be rotting away internally. You know where I mean yeah. Exactly all right So right to us or call us: well you, if you call us you can leave a message in making on the show and we love to hear you're sure stories and then respond to them in an episode in the future. So call us. We are one eight three, three S, T d w why tea came as just an acronym for stuff. I want you to know and do that if you don't want to do that and is a good old fashioned email, we art conspiracy had house of works, dot com,

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