Since the 1980s, Russian and US sources have repeatedly claimed that various groups of terrorists are dangerously close to acquiring a mysterious substance known as 'red mercury.' But what exactly is this stuff -- and why can't anyone agree about its chemical makeup, uses, or effects? Tune in and learn why there might be more to the story.
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From you at those two psychic powers and government conspiracies history is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the stop. They don't want you to know. Well,
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all right like a sideways thumb, low red, maybe
sideways thumb, low red, maybe
low with a young red yeah yeah. That's why
that's the one well, this
name that we're assigning is not just out of the blue or out of the red as safe. This case, I eat pertain
To this episode,
in in a weird for shadowy way. So Matt you dry
frank. I do all the time. Dr most most days
yeah almost every single day and you are driving on interstates, probably
Those are the one, the long roads that connects the states and drive through the states. Yes, yet the loser what's epithet! Yet if you
We're been on the road like Matt and I again
and I assume in no
You ve seen trucks or other vehicles, hauling hazmat
were hazardous materials. These could be,
thing from toxic chemicals used in manufacturing to it
Close are just really mess
waste in most countries. The transport and storage of this stuff is extensively regulated, because you know that it is
yours it most certainly is, and in the United States for
bull
FED the government, the old big g
divides these hazardous materials into several different categories: nine, to be exact, we'll find explosives, gases flammable and combustible liquids. Those are all kind of lumped together there are you ve got flammable solids now. This includes things. That would say dangerous, win, wet, so something like you,
sodium in solid form. You don't wanna get that stuff wet and
continuously combustible. That much has happened. Yeah, that's the most terrifying of all of them. I think I M just driving my truck in it. It did its thing. You ve got
oxidizing, inorganic, peroxide poison
so the toxic sign that you ve seen the old days at the school in Crossbones one year old, school and then also inhalation, hazard poison, which is again
as you, as you said, man, it's kind of push
together into a you know. This
categories like duplexing course
into the weird yourself: are radioactive materials, corrosive materials and
category that sounds like it was totally four forty seven on a Friday when they were finishing the list,
miscellaneous.
Generally danger, which the
could be as so many different things by
all of the materials that are good
did these nine categories are
essential too.
Functioning of society and industry is not just a bunch of people with a weird hobby.
Euro hauling sodium through the desert or something I guess. It's not
mad max you always middle school size. Teachers really need that sodium to throw it into a puddle at school one day. So you gotta get it oh yeah, yeah, exactly think of the children so
There's a organization here in this-
and if you live somewhere else as that is not the: U S, your kind,
probably has an organization like this too in the EU
This stuff is regulated by a group with the
credibly sexy name, the federal Motor carrier, safety, administration or films or fin stuff
and ignored appreciate that end
we're story,
and I was checking out some of the
material on their site and doing some research into hazardous materials. See why very soon! Ladies and gentlemen,
I was baffled
and a little disturbed that the thing was like
filled with typos yeah
two major one specifically that I didn't even notice when I looked at it Ben had to go and look at that word again, I that's the thing men because it is
federal level website so
I assumed that there were
closely related words that I was not aware of. You know like that. You like how absorb and adds orb are two different things. Your I thought
become possible
as was a word, combustible, ah see they're. Just discussing the different ways. You can transported, I yeah
failure. Convertible be possible, comes down on the Danube.
Comes at Annabelle comes damnable, that's a funding, weirdly, but
is, let's just let's just imagine, let's assume the most up,
Mr Way possible. There
they have some typos there, because they are focusing on keeping
he's from blowing up
because roadway safety, first, not spelling right. Yes- and
ever you're driving publishing a hazmat sighing you can
easily go to these websites and they will show you the clock
vacation
very.
Get a very IKEA approach, no other their heavier on symbols, and they are on letters but,
There is another class of hazardous material. It's one most members of the public will hopefully never encounter
first hand. These are weapon eyes,
hazardous substances. These are substances that just or don't just like.
Hurt you as a by product of what they are supposed to do and manufacturing. They were created specifically to
kill you and everything you love. If you disagree with the people in charge,
yeah, the least the people that have their hands on this,
Duff, and thankfully this many of these things we're gonna go through here, aren't gonna, be just ship
down eighty five, you no hope
hopefully per
We don't know the ins and outs out of you know. Whatever of black budget group is doing this, but
let's get into these. So there's the x
this is an odorless tasteless nerve agent- that in its pure form, appears this
We're brownish oily liquid and it was done
in the UK, the United Kingdom, in the early nineteenth fifties, and
stuff- is particularly potent because it's a persistent agent,
yeah well, what does that mean exactly Balkis once it gets released out into the atmosphere it takes longer than a lot of these other substances to
operate?
if you ve just got regular weather conditions in your outside, it will persist.
Four days on top of services, wherever it just happens to land
can even last four months, if you're in the right, cold conditions,
stuff is very, very dangerous in you probably heard
about it before it is Asia.
A weapon of war- and that is its only purpose, then
things like Sarah, and also known as GB. It's it's volatile,
it's also nerve agent in its highly toxic sue. Toxic, unfair,
that a single drop
the size of a of the head of a pin p. I left my
Some betrayed me just that
accept betray me just that rob is enough to kill a human being like that, adult human being its colourless,
that's when its room temperature play a little heat it evaporates rapidly and it will
spread into the environment.
The good news is it's. A short lived threat
You may recognize this from some recent news reports. Two thousand thirteen. The United Nations confirmed that a chemical weapons attack
involving siren song.
The especially design brackets took place.
In the suburbs of the syrian capital
was called the most significant confirmed use of chemical weapons against civilians, since Saddam Hussein use them in hullabaloo
in nineteen eighty- eight
yeah by Ban Ki Moon Right, Ban, Ki Moon, you in
and I was wondering Secretary General yeah. We have to take bankers.
Well, look at a lot of these stories that come out when there's a suspected attack sure I wonder if far listeners like believe that that
is truly what happened.
It's interesting. You know there is a.
There is a wealth of contradictory reporting
all sides in the least, and maybe that's his entire episode to itself. I think so
where's, there's mustard gas. This is also known as sulphur mustard and
its name from this smell the limits cycle, so rotten,
stirred color, like mix with garlic,
AIDS. I love you dont want to smell it now right behind you.
Definitely don't wanna smell a year
tell me
live. My truth broke. My truth does not only involve inhaling sulphur,
stirred because it's pretty
nasty right, yeah. It's it's in this group of agent
called blister agents or vesicles and
target the eyes respiratory tract skin in
It starts off as justice irritant right in your your body cells. Your skin particularly gets a little red, but then it's
The poison yourselves and when skins
spoke to it like I, it turned red than it burns for a little while, then these large blisters appear ethnic causes, some serious scarring and
the pain has been described as unbelievable. Your
will swell up tear you might even go blind if you are exposed to to muster gas ends
It is more well known, then, a another chemical agent.
One of the most dangerous chemical weapons in exist.
This now in.
Of course, is just counting the public stuff. We know about
Pretty compelling evidence that duty
the cold war, both the? U S and Russia conducted
very!
very unethical, highly illegal experiments in weapons, rising different agents and
Are you familiar with that? Show the Americans? Yes,
eyes right right right, so there
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What are we talking about?
what is one of the most dangerous existing chemical weapons that we know of its foes gene
it was first used in combination with chlorine gas in nineteen fifteen. This is all stuff too.
This is an old evil and
Germany dropped eighty eight tonnes of it on british troops, causing hundreds,
that's really nasty stuff during World WAR, one in fact, it accounted
This substance loan for eighty percent of all chemical fatalities, cheese, and we know that there is a lot of mustard gas and other things that are being used during that time. The air
like that dodgy at the S, poem re, air and thereof
other things were barely scratching the poisonous surface of chemical weapon re. There also cyanides butts
When we come to weapon,
as dangerous substances, theirs
one substance that or a type of substance. That is by far more
much more dangerous, so the x
persist in a place right, Sarian can spread rapidly rice,
plays a big role in nations. Yeah yeah
polonium right, which is the Russia's version of. I want you to know who, through this stone by them
important, Kite
for the survival of would be radiological and nuclear threats. Mrs stuff, like dirty bombs, improvise
nuclear.
Vices that terrifying yeah right
not linger, Improv show its second city, it's no!
It's not a yes and bomb.
Oh yeah! You just throw that that inward in there and even something that's a scary as an improvised device or an I e, who throw that inward in good God, but wait there's more
since the late nineteen eighties.
Televisions, agencies and criminal organizations alike around the world have been chasing after another type of dangerous substance. A mistake,
Material thought to have terrifying potential for destruction, exceeding
capacity of almost every other sort of nuclear material available
thing known as red mercury.
See that's what we got to the nearer again yeah we're we're we're there now
We finally get it we're christening soup.
Producer, Tristan,
with a
how full of weapons of potential mass destruction that's correct,
School makes an impression in the room. You know when you walk in, but first things
first questions. First, what is this stuff or regionally when it was first reported by the? U S and soviet sources. The west called this substance read because a k
from Russia
everybody in listening
going past like the lazy as propaganda.
Allegedly a came from Russia is very important to say, because leader reports suddenly claimed the material was called red.
Mercury because it had a red tent, a reddish tinge,
and, as will see later in the episode here, that
the problems begin reports of red Mercury's composition. Very. Why
ITALY yeah
You can see that if you just start taking a look at the reporting, that's been done on this substance Sophie
nineteen ninety five in
the new scientist or new scientists. Excuse me: there's no thee
they have an called cherry red and very dangerous
and it says that new information was leaked from south
Russia and the United States
convinced leading nuclear scientists that this stuff red mercury, the potential
risks of it should now be taken seriously.
The site is by. We were talking about, or not just
guys we're talking.
Same Cohen. He was nuclear physicist who invented the neutron bomb and also
Barnaby, who was the former
rector of the Stockholm International Peace, research institutes and
It says that these guys specifically were worried that red mercury could make it much easier for nations or terrorist groups to consider
small but deadly thermonuclear fusion weapons. That's that
sounds pretty terrifying. When you read it in something is reputable as new scientist
Consequently, from same Cohen, who says
I dont want to sound melodramatic, but
Mercury is real and it is terrifying. I think that it is part of a terrorist weapon that could potentially spell the end of organised
society time.
Well and he's not saying it. Of course, he literally says he's not trying to be mellow dramatic. He hath frank, born bees group talk to
before anonymous scientist in Russia and said
they provided detailed information about red Mercury and, at the time,
this is nineteen. Eighty four, he concluded
that is a parliament with a job like consistency, in which
Green and antimony have been bound together after radiation for up to twenty days in a nuclear reactor, and his belief, gun at the time, was that this
substance could yield enough chemical energy wind compressed to fuse
try to him atoms and produce a demo nuclear explosion Yan in this article. What these guys were calling for, like the reason why they're bringing all this stuff out into the public sphere is because they are trying to get tritium to be
To put more controls over the
action in trade and try to him which
thank you know. If you have this other substance, red mercury, aunt, putting together an you, make this device rights and we,
there are other stories to that, you have possibly seen headlines over the years and will just swill Wallace the couple, but there is one that I like.
Explore and a little more detail, because it's the one that inspired
the follow up on this in
the BBC two thousand and four ten
were arrested because
they were trying to buy red mercury
yeah alleged terrorists. So there is this newspaper reporter who
Parents like did one of those meetings. He was posing as somebody that he wasn't and try
to get them or interest them in purchasing this red mercury that he had.
And anyway, these guys want to trial. It took a long time thinking two thousand sixes when it was finally over because
all of these dudes got cleared
because the substance that he had wasn't ready.
Fury he didn't have anything of the sort. The newspaper the journal
right and these guys,
I know how do you it's that whole entrapment thing that happened
and they were saying that they were trying to turn the
order in
they didn't know as a rapporteur for trying to sell them really did,
materials. No,
Color reminds me of the FBI.
The attempts of years back to infiltrate mosque and tried
You make the people at the mosque my
localism yeah and then they end up calling the cops, the feds on the feds, so
there was another story, a local story.
Two thousand seventeen just a few months ago here,
in Atlanta, where our podcast is based,
reach downtown closed, because
ouch thirtieth. There were
words that a man had brought
had mercury from Africa and he was walking into the. U S nuclear Regulatory commission well too. So people
now you I mean many people have never heard
of this you, I think, ok, mercury! What is that? That's a planet!
the monitors I mean
You're, probably few people honestly thought and I'm not making fun of anyone. This would like this was
Oswald me who obviously thought I thought more
was the right one. You know what I mean I so we have a clue here.
From Atlanta Police officer, Stephanie Brown, who said we received a call regarding a male coming into the facility carrying red Mercury from Africa, were still gathering details on the cod
on in that article red Mercury is described as a substance used to create nuclear bombs
security was called a hazmat team bomb
wide via drugs who rose men, veterinarians, maybe an airplane pilot
every authority. You can imagine. I really old, angry librarian, everybody showed yeah and major parts of Atlantis were shut down, parts of some of the big streets in downtown Lana and then the next day turned up.
That there were no arrests made. No,
Nobody was arrested
the guy had was quote, not read Mercury whom they need. You know it was
a clean somebody made. I guess
According to this article, you know they go on to talk about red Mercury, what it might be
it says you S, homeland security agents responded, which is
that's a big time.
Has yet all the people that have been talked about came through. I made the angry librarian up. I don't know if she was actually there and I'm been. After all of this, no arrests and the
I would not say what substance was actually found, there's just
Evidently, not this red mercury stuff
yeah, or is this one of those nothing to see here? Folks, right, that's a good question. I injustice
shall we say in begin. The sphere here
let's, let's look at red murder
ports in other parts of the world. It's no big deal so, for instance,
two thousand and nine. This was one of the more interesting stores we dug up about this in Saudi Arabia.
Singular sewing machines pretty popular and others,
by got so right, erratic out we're close
two thousand and nine a rumor
bread
these sewing machines, not all of them, but some of them can t.
And read: Mercury, oh and ICT.
As the prices, the massively increase, and here here the two odd things. First,
People believe the rumour were convinced that you could detect red
I agree that it was in small amounts in the needles of some so emissions in the way that you detect it is, you would have cellular phone and you would put the phone
you're on.
Near the needs of the wine cut off when it got near the needle. You knew that Red Mercury,
was present
Weird sides right, yeah, it's true. Second thing: nobody agreed
Nobody agreed on what this, what this look like. It was really read I what
it could be used for, but they came up with some ideas it they had said. Perhaps it was an essential component of nuclear power. Ok, oppression
ability to extract gold? What
or the ability to summon gin. Oh man, like genius,
yet in this potentially could be either giving you lots of power from a military perspective or,
from a wishes granting presented magical, recalled perspective and for anybody interested in learning more about Jane, I do wonder refer.
You two hour earlier episode. Yes, I if you have not checked it,
You can find it on our website deep breath stuff
I want you to know dot com and also watch american gods,
There is a gene in the episode that, when
last example. Is it actually
oh it is active role, is environs of gin, yeah! Ok, right! I think I believe
got my heart. Corrector, silk.
Also that's a thousand book of removing the idea of a book is great. The show is turning out much better than I expected
school man a minute by minute check it out? I hears here's the thing that the officials
person for police forces in Saudi Arabia said
these rumours had been started by gangs who are trained us swindle people out of their money, Cavallo Buncher, singer sewing machine is initiating a ride
that's a weird woody
a weird when they go to jail. For really is you did during that phase? This was off here
what I was trying to figure out like the most insignificant or petty crimes. Yes,
Add the wine- I I don't know this decried. Please tell me if this is a real thing. Folks ever looked into it yet stamp fraud. You know, like
making fake postage stamps. Apparently that was a thing back in the day and you see
weird they put your profit margin,
yeah, why
its help, people you got locked up word when you get caught. You know,
I think that is all about bulk, like how many can you sell and eighty million thirty seven, since it is time that ink isn't cheap.
No and that you got adhesives you gotta get. I guess some special scissors to get that pattern
four, eighty lines yet red lines. I don't know,
they have not a guy what're. You gonna shit like that for and
it does sound like this was the sole emission thing was.
Here and gone hysteria or fat.
You know like tulips with the dutch shore.
This version beanie babies. You have something like that, but
because of these real life reports, is real life events in what
for the past thirty.
Almost forty years red
Victory is earned a place in pop culture.
There were video games made about this well, one in particular that we can point to called shadow ops, colon red mercury. If this
that he doesn't for first person shooter for X,
oxen windows and
it's one of those. You know
standard wartime piazzas, where you're a delta force operative attempting to recover what up.
If case nuclear bomb, so as essentially in improved
as nuclear device
code named red Mercury and
here. This is two thousand for when it came out, but it's from a terrorist mercenary whose operating out of Syria interesting, whom
Syria, Syria, pops up again and then there's movie from two thousand five that has to do.
It's called red mercury and do if people trying to chase down sources of this substance,
men have you checked it out
I see now and I'll take it that I couldn't find it anyway standard place in certain criteria
collection? So, what's what's interesting,
these pop culture references is. They show how the rumours of this substance spread from the realm of journalism.
Into the world of fiction, and that happens on a fairly
routine basis? But what, if red, mercury?
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Here's where it gets crazy,
No one knows
agrees, or
what exactly this stuff is that there is no indication that red Mercury is even a mercury compounds. However, there are some
forms of mercury that fit a little bit of the report
criteria,
there's a red for
mercury, that's very toxic, but it's not explosive
there's a red colored or of mercury, mercuric sulfide cinnabar, which is toxic but not explosive. Theirs
reforming eight, which is
sensitive and explosive.
Been used in some ammunition cartridges and there are a couple of other things. There was one there
as one substance die, methyl mercury that was considered briefly is rocket. Fuel nineteen fifties by chemical company
who supplied tests materials were not mess around with it. So now
an ugly mercury compounds, none
jobs in a Winnie how
they have some sort of partial red mercury property can
the actual red mercury YE?
and I haven't stop people from
having theories and in describing it. We can tell you a little bit about what this
The slaughter was used for
yeah back and ninety ninety three: according to quote soviet sources, this red
mercury. Had a straightening called mercuric, Steinbeck HEP Toxic,
Which is a fun thing to say this,
is superconductive
allegedly, it's used to produce high precision, conventional and nuclear bomb explosives. It could also make stealth services, which is
kind of cool
and also to make self guided warheads and what's blue, let's just reiterate that.
Yeah you, the nuclear bombs stealth surfaces,
Self, guided warhead man, it's a lot of things that stuff can do. Does youth also three very different things: men and the poor
it that red mercury is typically assigned are some of the most common parts of the description of this substance. Yes, it's what is called
Bobo Technic, which is just a euro, a fancy way of saying it produces immense pressure when ignited, however-
when combined with other claims about Red Mercury's capabilities. It sounds more like a work of science fiction.
An emphasis on fiction too good to be true right.
In addition to releasing massive pressure, this stuff, is also,
strongly insensitive to shock or fire that strongly resisted is a better way to say it. So you you could
substitute, Urim, Brennan Stumpy I do,
You could substitute you could take the log song and
The syllables don't work out, but if you put red mercury and there you know all that stuff with red Mercury and it still would explode, but.
Despite this durability, apparently has very fast ignition rate. That's
seems contradictory. It does doesn't end again extremely high energy density, its
difficult to identify a class of substances that has all of these qualities as a sort of a silver bullet Holy GRAIL situation, and that we should say
that none of us on this team are chemist. No
trade and where neither physicists might be
This is by hobby, but her. He hurt waiter, you physicist, I'm interested in it
I'll read a book about physics, ok,
I definitely deal with physics, honoured
secondly, basis a thing.
I'm, not euro planning to a height black holes,
anytime soon darn. It
I dont get in
arguments were Stephen Hawking, yet ok he's probably
brutal. I man, I know if you have it the aboriginal,
he's got a good heart, absolutely good heart. There
here's something else. Remember we mention the nuclear physicist speaking a physicist, Frank bar.
Earlier. I he worked at the atomic
happens, establishment in the nineteen fifties and
claims that
There is evidence that the Soviet turned out vast quantities of mercury, antimony oxide, the intermediate end
Equally elusive, compound from which read mercury is supposedly produced by plane.
Inside a nuclear reactor,
No doubt they made a large amount of that stuff. I've talked to
store of analyzed it in EAST Germany, but what he did with it he says is
Three? Who I like this guy, let's bring him back for something.
So
what people say about the software, so some people think that the intermediate compound, the one that Frank there is kind of.
Discussing
actually multiply the yield of an explosion. So if you
you take this and use it inside a conventional, let's say a nuclear warhead or rocket, or something it would work
the fuel additive,
You know: that's interesting did that
You could use that. I guess for that purpose. Just do justice,
crease the yield. I guess that's the idea you make it stronger NEA.
And other say, the compound was irradiated at the core of a nuclear reactor to produce pure red mercury and
that would be capable exploding with enough heat and pressure to act as a team.
Bigger inside a brief case, sized fusion bomb
so you're red mercury in this case would just be the thing that makes the reaction occur right, right, right, the instigator
in the crowd of nuclear reactions.
There are massive problems with this stuff here. First, the story changes often reports
Mercury dancing,
The consistent in any substantive way other than this stuff is powerful. Bad guys want it. According to experts like Barnaby, even if the substance A was discover, it wouldn't be that useful.
And according to experts like born of either guy, we keep talking about, even if this
Duff was real,
really wouldn't be that useful and we have another quote fortune.
Rush to would offer no, she advantages over an ordinary high explosives or if they wanted a dirty
a radioactive source to go to the trouble
spending, huge amounts of money on red mercury makes no sense at all makes no
since it all. I couldn't agree with Barnaby more. If He'S-
if you re an according to official sources
Nobody has actually real fast
obtained the substance. So who is this?
cover up. If so, what
and was one of those things where one or two, maybe even five governments, officially know that this stuff exists in what it can do. They have.
Humiliation they know how to make it, but they want
the press that knowledge
I can see that as being a possibility. Here's an
there are in fact net
Spain, for the International Atomic Energy Authority said
Red mercury doesn't exist, the whole thing
is a bunch of malarkey, oh well,
are we saying that the leprechaun there
thing. Is it
You know me, I'm just the malarkey took me to Leprechaun MRI. Ok, I just I don't know man you're hyper than I am so did no flake leprechaun was like the new thing you say now I mean it can't be.
When your friends, we hang out at the girl you but
Let her go.
More like an exclamation. If something is tremendously cool in, if green is involved whatsoever,
ok, ok man, that is so leprechaun.
No obvious? I dont want to steal your your bit a minute. Try it maybe ok, sir,
it's out and if it, if it goes well I'll I'll, tell people that you all credit you ok,
poorly I'll. Take the fall. I like it better than some of the current.
Slang, words like what combustible
yeah combustible his combats idler here, but.
That's the thing: a fleet of fleet you'll care for fleet. I can't flagrant
I just don't like the way it roles of the tone is a little.
It smoother than leprechaun. I'm just saying that as your friends. Well, that's why I like leprechaun, because it takes a little more effort
and you know, there's a There'S- a guy
gold, but
like red Mercury is the ever worth it
All eyes. Also lets you get too far off the rails. Ok, I don't want to bury the lead here. An official
spokesperson for the International Atomic Energy Authority said this stuff doesn't exist.
It never existed. What yeah
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Korea is either a long running propaganda, sting operation on behalf of intelligence agencies or
for when tensions were so haughty and rumors were everywhere yeah, that's the thing we do have a couple of different path.
Yeah, that's the thing we do have a couple of different path. So let's look at the idea that this
all things was. A shaggy dog story that for decades not
the? U S, not just Russia but multi
their countries, including South Africa me
up a bogeyman to catch.
As to criminal organizations or likely each other.
We have the euro. We have some indications
experts who searched for real red mercury, like Peter Zimmermann found
story, quickly deteriorated and do that
the everything about his search led him. To conclude, this was a disinformation campaign of phony news articles planet decades ago by the KGB and then by
successor the efforts and there are other variance in the store, including one where Washington and Moscow worked together.
You have circulating these stories to flesh out
clear smugglers and the thing what that is
This idea of these two.
Ostensibly enemy governments
while operating in this way is really popular with
a lot of soldiers and officers. Embalmed disposal encountered WMD weapons of mass destruction, jobs, but Zimmermann felt like he couldn't
prove it. He felt he could definitely prove
whatever this stuff is it's not real, yeah or
as a fishing expedition as a way to draw people to it, yeah yeah yeah, which is incredibly
I gotta get admire the art in some
Things, even if you don't agree
the idea just me,
These rumours, I've been so persistent throughout the years, still exist and that we can have a story in twenty seventeen where people somebody somewhere
authority said o red
mercury, ok, shutting thing down shut it all down it. Could
he'll be here,
the different idea. Maybe a middle ground forces can also be a code name for some
type of nuclear.
The street related material right,
it could have been a soviet code name for something else, like
The six, which was I controlled material that was actually used in nuclear weapons and may be traffickers
ray purpose. The label for whenever erased
the crap they were trying to sell to of unsuspecting
because if you read the accounts of people,
even ISIS.
This organisation of you really
how do people trying to purchase this
the way that its explained to them when they finally find it and by it
enormously expensive prices by the way I won
One great example would be I
Was described as a small box,
that'd be carried in special container and had to be
opened in a special way
special device, these results
separately and
could never be opened, because when I did, everything would blow up.
Like a multi kilometer rate hold out. I thought this thing with super stable
that's what you know yet have the device ok sold separately Gach, but
that's also that smacks of classic
to job, because, yes, you can
get the merging eyes, but you're gonna handsome money over something arrested. What's it all, with an old saying, a pig in a poke.
Is it just something I say in Tennessee
Yeah, let's it's like, don't don't
a pig in a bag. Unless you look in the bag, its given a poke, firstly make sure squeals, you know I I had a check
I gotta check before
we sign off on that as official stuff. They don't want you to know pig bite, advice. Ok, it sounds good.
If you happen to run into somebody you as it,
Secondly, the hell, you there's a pagan their and our sell it to you this. I really. What are you doing anyway? Don't think
That person just leave it alone. Men, pig bag, man is gonna, be fine.
Get leave him his own devices as long as they are not nuclear and now
to the scariest possibility of all, ladies and gentlemen, red mercury, what
is real, but somehow it spin
continually over the decades, suppressed right
this is
I'm gonna, go and say this is.
The most disturbing, as, as you said earlier, but its fall soup, thankfully one would have
police plausible, but think about it's been in all these new stories. Over and over the decades it's never been verified with law enforcement is attempted to quite acquire the stuff it has in every single case
and find turned out to be something
elsewhere, nothing at all. According to the story, yeah these or not,.
The nuclear devices you're. Looking for her eye it. It's we're both doing that star weary, harrowing droid wave. I feel we need to explain
you know what we're talking about late? It's the force using the forced to coerce somebody using force yet and its
it turned,
that most
birds. Believe red mercury is about as real as the force, so
Regardless of how you feel about star wars,
regardless of what
conclusions you draw about red mercury, regardless whether it is in fact real or if it is in
act, an elaborate sting operation that people are still falling for. One shilling fact remains: people are dying as a result. Act,
will people are actually dying because
one rumour that spread. We talked about the one in Saudi Arabia. Kind of funny sewing machine taken soon. I love it, love it, but in F,
this time it was a little different because rumours sir
that land mines
contained red mercury and numerous
who died
up to these live mines and attempting to dismantle them an extract, the stuff.
He thought was in their cheese,
when dismantling alive mine is, as you may assume, a job for the experts near that's bad yeah but
isn't it isn't it we're? Because I had no idea that this
system. This is such a strange thing to do. I am persuaded I'm like eighty per
sure this does not exist and
percent of food.
You know what every yeah exactly that's
I hate to agree completely with you on this, just because I want to offer a different opinion, but ever
we that I've seen in the research that was done for this leaves
we believe that it's not real, but it
hard for me
my head around it lasting this long, a rumour persisting this long and then what? If you like, what
for lack of a better phrase fuelled this rumour for so long and right up what, if
There is some sort of power
full substance capable
Ah,.
Jump, starting a fusion reaction and
so dangerous that
People discovered it
Are they
including including doktor coin.
When they discovered it, they said
everybody needs did
shut it down.
We know that we like. We know we don't get along all the time but we'd like we look forward to not getting along for a long long time, and if anybody has this, it's the end. Imagine the implications. If one of these small nuclear devices goes off in a city.
Anywhere in the world?
de the reaction of other countries right
and with all those who also have nuclear devices, who are going to be trying to point the finger in theirs that it's only
few. What is it a few seconds?
when some of their nuclear systems in the world from the dead hand stuff, when some of that can be triggered
Ah, yes, the dead hand system is very, very
In its I'm, assuming still a russian
That's it in that was a soviet thing in it
I'm assuming still russian thing and then the United States, who knows what kind of systems that we have with all the other minute men that exist around
around the globe. Now the spooky thing
the way. The. U S handles its nuclear arsenal is that
large percentage of it, is continued
travelling around the globe, nouns armies, which
is spooky stuff,
so frightening,
semi apocalyptic stuff, and it doesn't even matter that point who set off a bomb.
Yeah right, because
in the early part of it. At least whatever reaction occurs is gonna be before you can ino confirm who it is
one of our listeners, who have lived through the cold war.
Time period. You know you
probably seen those accounts they came out years later of how close to you
Our species got to just call in one long night and.
We'd like to hear what you think about Red Mercury
several popped up and you're it in your lack of the woods as anybody ever been on the news for attempting to smuggle red Mercury's, you might try to sell you some hat.
And did have you seen any other pop references to this. I couldn't recall if in call of duty or any these other games, that I've played it like showed its face somewhere
I couldn't remember. I just you know
baffled still, because neither explanation is particularly. I
I'm glad you know what I mean. It sounds crazy,
to say that there is some
real substance that is enormously powerful. That has just been continually popping up in the news and then being removed
but it also sounds crazy for to be this elaborate like we
before the show Rube Goldberg Esque hoax.
Game mousetrap. You know what I mean you could just arrest people
Maybe it's still divided. Mank is maybe it's safer,
thing that you know is in the substance right yeah
just get something that has a red pigment to it and in the sea.
Like all, that's obviously red mercury. So
like maybe these intelligence agencies just took a page from shady drug dealers and some paprica.
We will do the people or other sullen paprika as read
fury. I dont know because no one knows what it looks like a threat but yeah we weren't. We want to hear from you we wanna hear which of these sides. You tend to fall on
and if you think,
this is nicely incidents
this kind of subterfuge or
If there are other examples and speed,
of emails from you it's time for she had gone asked. Our first met
it comes from Andrew Allison,
I'm ready to let you guys know how influential you ve been to me and my team for the past two years. I'm not
asking you to plug my project or anything like that. Just wanted to let you know that it exists and to give you a little back story.
Now we're gonna see the name of the game. We are
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the game revolves around a primitive early nineteen nine. These are called message board. That's kind of cool,
the various threads led to different question the game.
A fan of reading about weird things happening since I was a child and came across your podcasting Youtube channel. When I want
for some ideas to fill out the various threats in the Games forum,
Your podcast, soon reactions to conspiracies were invaluable to getting into the minds of the form users and making the
feel real. So I just want to say thank you for what you're doing and keep up the good work. That is supremely cool
You know they ve been, and I are both gamers as well as no nor talks about that. A lot,
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wouldn't comes from our next year.
Rather comes from crystal of who says
Ireland is an animal disease research facility, at least according to silence of the lambs. This would certainly account for any perceived air of secrecy about the place also-
Clarice was the one who suggested she could arrange for letters vacation
to the island in exchange for identifying Buffalo bill
Thank you. So much crystal you, but I dont know prevention. This on the air, but oh that Anthony,
can steer how how much is actually in silence the lambs.
The original size overwhelm as Hannibal Lecter. Is it
The percentage he's it's like fourteen minutes of he really made an impression
I mean those are the kind of rules you live for. You know, do a cool creepy for
many cameo yeah, who happens to be a cannibal, goes like who the most
important character in
him for Godot
who does it show so true or Robocop or Robocop yeah
A brief your robocop shows up at robot, I don't. I was just trying to try to figure out the most important character is, if not Robocop, but listeners you to help me out. I don't know, there's a fringe play called part, two
before the vote.
Reading years ago, and for the first.
Easily two thirds of its people are talking about this time too,
and he doesn't show up until the end is baffled
Kyle, is up to the high, but not really
It was sort of the robocop of its time. I get it.
You know we are offering he'd do these jostlers. One of us goes back, watches Robocop, oh no problem, I'm not going to take the floor, I'm gonna do it and if you, if you write to us,
our confirm or deny whatever you say out: New Robocop Ex Maria Albania Robocop CUP, a we have.
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Our next message says.
I am me, you are you, and this is an email to stuff. They don't want you to tell course. I love that opening love show guys yo. You helped keep me sane whilst at work.
This study should no boys all cool, that's good company, not down to business. Vapor thing you heard of it
we have heard of it,
raping, is a smoking cessation, its away for smokers to get off the cigarettes in a healthy and safe way
a basic form. It gives the user the sensation of smoking. Then
eighteen delivery from smoking, but it leaves out the seven thousand plus nasty chemicals and carcinogens smoking cigarettes delivers into your body baby.
It has turned into an international multi billion dollar industry, creating thousands of jobs and businesses, its created, French,
some families throughout the world are ok. I like I mean that's like the way he too,
and above all else it saved hundreds of millions of lives but been here's where things get crazy
currently at this moment in time? That's right. Whilst your reading, this email- don't anthem, the- U S, government and FDA are trying to destroy it.
Mean trying to get the booming industry that is facing under control. I mean these guys want too.
About the whole thing. One hundred per cent gone in the blink of an eye they wanted gone and there trying anything to do it.
And they all man.
Ok, so Jack. This is.
Jack by the way it did. We ever save me from Jack, not yet how Jack, ok, Jack. Thank you. Writing and he goes on and he trusts
He gives us so much great information about favouring, along with his fun storytelling
we're gonna end it right here,
So why is the? U S government so against raping if it is a health benefit to the millions of citizens in the billions of people worldwide? Is it because it's a dangerous and will kill people quicker than a bullet to the head
would you say it's because the cigarette companies who sponsor these state officials and senators and government organizations are losing millions of dollars worth of revenue each week. Two people not
Smoking know that
can't be people would think
That's some sort of crazy conspiracy, Jack! That's better spent!
thanks so much for writing in Jack Crystal
and Andrew? Then that's a good point about
borri yeah yeah. I mean
There are so many conflicting studies.
Coming out over the past five years, yet they
is a pretty, and
seeing you know
is anyone? I've heard a lot of people talk about how it has helped them
smoking or at least been a part of quitting smoking.
Ray and then
a lot of the rumours about babying the science behind them in evaporates. After I'm, sorry
not really
I'm inordinately proud of every stupid, but I've ever made beautiful, but you you allow the science is still to contradict
yes in various studies, Huns conflicting and just like the stuff with sugar. We have to ask ourselves: who
funding whom, when these things come up. Thank you. So much writing guys can. This concludes our
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