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Dave Matt you and I are diving into a crucial event in american history, one that, despite clap, we change in the course of american politics is relatively obscure. Were to a lot of people living today, especially younger members of our audience. Yes, you you- and I know about this, because we ve been paid to delve into history, Michael strangeness for quite a time now and again, people, listening are going to be familiar with the story we discussed today because of their interests these things, but over all. The american public is maybe specially younger people are not aware of this something that happened on July, eighteen, nineteen, sixty nine one day, essentially one night and it changed course of one man's life quite a bit,

And today we have two gentlemen on the show who wrote in entire green play about that day and the aftermath why it occurred? What heard, and we're we're gonna jump right in and introduce them right now, that's great! This screenwriters of Chappaquiddick Taylor, Alan and Andrew Logan. Welcome to the show gentlemen! Thank you so much for joining us today. Thank you with regard to beer, Celestial Britain and today we are discussing the Kennedy family. An american detention, a group of people who have captured fascination of Americans for decades upon decades and let's first start off by guessing just how powerful the Kennedy institution was in the nineteen sixties. So I got the family, you know for sure one of the most powerful families and merit and politics are making

John F Kennedy was obviously president and the early sixties and Robert Kennedy was running for president in eighteen, sixty eight when he was tragically assassinated and our story takes place the year after Bobby the fascination. A year later, when his younger brother TAT Kennedy go to mothers vineyard too heavy a party for a group of women caught the boiler room, girls who are actually Bobby Kennedy Campaign a and there were their sort of celebrate the memory of recently deceased, Jan Mulder, Katy brother and much has and made over the tone or the atmosphere of this. The rain. We know

There were, let's see we were there for boiler room girls in attendance at this time, boiler room, growled, actually, they were all single and five of the men were there were all married, which led to a lot of perilous rumour than heading, about what that might mean because of the more aid that the time in the late nineteenth sixty one thing is good. You get on the record now at every step. Girls were campaign worker than strategist bought up late, and that in the news for the time they were often miss characterize. The secretaries am, I think, that added to this sort of rumour and misinformation bed had taken prominence in the press at the time.

I believe these were very smart, breaking all women and they were very close with the Kennedy badly because of how skilled they and how close they became with the senator rob activity over the prior. You do you feel that the newspaper air media outlets of the time we're pursuing a salacious angle with the with the goal of may be, making the the gathering seem more lurid than it actually was with this With this, Miss characterisation is secretaries versus strategist. Undoubtedly, I think that that was where people mine, when I think It was covered that way in part to push newspapers, but in part just because of a problem that is still a problem today, where you try to prevent both sides.

The argument that, at the end of the day, there was no foundation, in fact, in discernible truth that, anything immoral, was happening. It was simply a party it was simply a reunion and there was nothing else to add other than that kind of a history you at least with it Kennedy and a little bit with Robert in having Your actions with women outside of their marriage super there something to it, but but, as you said, probably wasn't, actually anything salacious so who, specifically one of the boiler room girls who was Mary joke. Apparently, Mary girl packing you In this she end up dying as a result of action to take them, took him didn't bake in or out when we were researching her well,

found was tat, the most brilliant and YO a woman of the highest standard, and it was really a life cut way too short, why in the movie, we really tried to honour her memory by having her express all important to show how everyone around her thought she was so talented and just How she really did have a lot of dreams that emissions and one of the line that I quite like is when she describes the difference between. With Dixon Public Service and in keeping with the family about her. With that? Definitely not in it. For the politics you within it to serve the public interest, and I really appreciate point you make about a life cut short, because I share. Was twenty eight

on the night of this incident, and when we, like many others, look at the time line What we see is that for many years afterwards, question remained. Could you could you walk us through briefly the the timeline are the events and the order which we believe they transpired. After unity and Copeck left. The gathering so I'm going to try to walk this third simply its path. The ball while pointing out what is on the right and by whom? were there in Martha's vineyard, that we then for the EDGAR town regatta. And became a night that day and after the race. They went back to Chappaquiddick Island which important too,

story is a fairy ride off of the mainland. There's no, If you accept that other than by ferry, no one was planning on staying at Chappaquiddick that evening agenda be had a room and your town at the town, in all the the girl had a room at a different hotel on the mainland and the only person. I think that was actually going. They just put a guideline was the person who arranged for the party and that was taken in these cousin, Joe Garden he becomes more important. The story as we continue. As we said, the party was simply that a cook out with friends, reminisced thing music, the played we now we a thunder was dancing. Ultimately, the boy room girl that was to cut out the damn for there's. No doubt the mobility one,

and what TAT Kennedy in what many thing Boiler Room girl said under oath. Why the tape? me and Mary Joe. What that eleven fifteen take Emily You said that Mary JO said that she wasn't feeling well and that he was taking her back to her hotel. I don't know if we're getting too deep into the weeds here, but you bet marriage left her purse with her about dollar. We see at the cottage, and so it leads to questions about how you expecting to get into a room. If that was the case, Kennedy said to the accident happened shortly thereafter after he made a wrong turn up main road onto dyke road. This is again a very complicated things try to describe in audio but to say that this was a mistake in turn you

little bit stretching credulity because main road roads they pay a road. It is obviously the way that you would go to get to the fairy. Adobe had been back and forth on multiple times a day and probably had been many times in life prior to that It also occur bureau that curves last thought not like you would go to that sign in and make the right turn away. I continue older you don't let him curve so according to take any testimony he makes this accidents will right turn on to be unpaid. In very bumpy dyke, road and travels or abroad only half a mile to beg bridge which at the time had no guy railed unwise to this point. Built at an angle to the road and he drove off the

mystery around. How he got out of the car is something that continues to badly people. I will actually Smith, but right now and say that his window was rolled down, it's not implausible to assume that he was able to get out of the window. Relative view, especially in a light, preserving moment. Obviously, in his death, when he says that he tried to dived down several times retrieve Mary Joe and was unsuccessful and then this is the point. I have to bring, in other point of view and other notions about what the truth might be in Certainly, what me and Andrew blamed the truth is and that as we then take every put the accurate around

Twenty eleven twenty five p m and the reason He does that it becomes the last very leaves at midnight and so when I tell you that a sheriff death, you deputy operator, Huck, look saw an old while bill matching thanked Emily. Those mobile description, with a license plate be getting without the same whatever. Secondly, like replay began with, remember who had to seven which tend to move like the plate, had, I think it very credible that a police officer- and I witnessed says that that old mobile went through that intersection. At twelve. Forty five, a m. Why now described this as the missing our in, that missing our. We don't know what happened but I'm willing to believe that thank them Mary Joe left a lever team as long as we can,

I believe that they were not seen again until twelve point five, ok, so, ultimately, the the car ends up in the water, it's overturned and said He does get out of the vehicle, but Mary Joe does not I wish us continue with the story, because I think our listeners want to know exactly how, you believe. It's happened now that you ve done all the research and constructed and entire story around it. The birthplace to enter Jack, where we got our backs, wasn't from conspiracy theory paper back, some people have we actually got the court records into the inquest into the death of marriage or go back. Where everyone involved, everybody at the party actually was convene in Martha's vineyard about six months later and had to speak to me under oath and or that primary source of

All that lived through it speaking under out that the most shore research that we could do that why we felt like, if we stuck to the fact that we learn from that testimony that we were doing our best to recreate and interpret what happened that night and I think that one thing that really stands out for us, and hopefully for viewers of the film as well, is the fact driven buying of the narrative. You can tell listeners as Taylor is walking through the time line of events. Here, oh everyone's, being being very liberate in saying this is the tribulation of this description as, as you have established, Matt the the ultimate the ultimate sticking his sir or are

lack of unify perspective here does come about the in the hours following the and in the hours following the incident. I we appreciate till her that the term you use their thee. Missing our because This sounds like. One period of time where the is no witness between you know between this. This from shortly after eleven, too, after twelve there, and it may be far to ask what the to ask for a conjecture- and what would have happened during. Missing our, but we do you know that after the incident based kennedys accounts based on the innkeeper accounts of do other accounts of phone calls and stuff, we do

rough time line of what Kennedy was. Probably doing in the hours following the accident. Is that correct and I'll. Tell you even more. We read autobiography. I think anybody would that when trying to sell the very seriously and talk about what you were thinking and doing during these. You're getting our those well Oh I'll, continue on from where we kind of leaped up in a kind of wind. Up perfectly with the point that I wanted to make, which is the death penalty does escape from the car, and I do believe that he probably true to rescue Mary job, but he was unsuccessful, because the current was very strong, his back with bad from a plane crash in making sick for. I am sure that it was probably not easy for him to enter that vehicle.

And then we get to the first negligent decision. That, for me, is inexcusable, even if it might be stand up, and then I want to make it clear delineation between something that I think that is understandable and predictable, and I tried to get into the ecology of the generally, and the first moment that you had a real problem is that there is, called the Dyke house is not more than a hundred yards from that date bridge and he walked half dead end? it had its light on that evening and I feel like any person. Has done into an accurate one worth

Life is in danger or a worst case scenario already dead. It is your responsibility to report that accident agreed. Ah, I think that it is fair to say based off of what They tell said in interviews and elsewhere that immediately realised that this accident was going to have great impact on his political career. Now must directly attributing that, to the reason why he didn't report, the immediately to whoever lived in the dyke, but that was on his mind, and so he makes approximately about a mile and a half walked back from the bridge to Laurens Cottage, where the party was taking place, and Several happened along the way. The lessons I walked me and Andrew had made ourselves,

recently. We show the movie in markets figured for the marketing of that's. What is it Five minute walk the long walk, there's a lot. They could go through one mind and in the movie TAT Kennedy Debts into the back seat of the value of the other. Are the party had on the island that night and he asks for his cousin, Joe Bargain And in the movie Derby tell a bargain, I'm never going to be president. Now Y know created a lot of consternation in virginity camp and in certain opinion, people around him any our time with such is my invention in advance. Invention that it may be said that in that moment, but it is based basis of the fact that again we acknowledge that,

He didn't recognize immediately that his political career had been impacted by the backward. In terms of how we talk about negligent behaviour in terms of this walk back to IE, what's more virtuous, Barnes Cottage, where the party was being held, that he also in addition to the data which had their light on outside and the occupants of that home were there. He also walked right by a fire station which we almost directly across the street from the Lord's cottage, which is another which would have been another opportunity for him to go, seek help to get through to get help her marriage. Well, I will paraphrase centrality speech to the entire nation at the end of the movie by banks and without

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immediately is: who did you talk to that night and if passed people without relying too much on conjecture. What what was the substance those conversations because to the earlier points he walked past. He bypassed house. Is that had that they had the lights on right, a fire station where wherein one would assume just on surface we would. We would assume that after an accident a spell Lee with another person still left at the scene of the accident. The first move you would take is to contact and authority figure so who were the people that he contacted before contacting the police or the fire department, I'm so excited? They asked this question in a way that, because I get to talk about one of the detail,

we tried desperately to make them for the movie and in any adoration became too expostulatory to explain. That is that the first person that he talk You was a gentleman named railroad that, nor that the party up more cottage, I believe that he was a certified diaper, certainly had a lot of experience, diving, scooper in the ocean, etc and use the very first. I M a TED talk to an what he told them is get Joe Garden. We ve got a problem. Or this was already kind about shocking thing. For everyone to agree on the record to be exactly what happened. He was

interested in telling Ray Larosa up Brenda bears and someone that could have helped what had happened. He first wanted to talk to somebody that he was very close with them. Arguably one of the people that said with close this within the world, his cousin Joe Garden, and I should here the Joe Garden with not simply cousin, I have gathered, but I would argue, in five years, study was carried out. Tat Kennedy go to advance man who would go in advance of TED to every location. That would go to to prepare repay and that he actually lived with the Kennedys Father and mother died tragically at a young age, and so he and his sister end up living with the Kennedy, and I feel so indebted we're gonna. Be

and actually end his sister is Joe Gonna, be senior birth. We see in the film all the way through the red lights out. Very close relationship is my point at all. Rail are also going to inside any grabs, Joe Garden and the next thing out of ten kemys mouth you better get all Markham too, who is very close with a gun in family and was yeah not more than six months prior to the? U S attorney to the state of mind this listen, power, very intelligent group of oil. The campaign friends now I dont want to point out really quite on poor Markham here, the absolute worst person at the party to ask for help in anything.

Rescue mission, because you, the only for third party, who is suffering from a significant injury which he sustained in the boat that they were raised, actually in reality, he got that injury voting on the way from wherever it was originally doc. You Martha's vineyard. We put it during the race. I hope don't mind without without will acceptable. Bunch. Though he is walking with a limp, ran through the weekend, because good, and yet this is one of the two people with a demi as requested to help and according to gardens testimony it will still moments later before. Tat actually explained what was going on and it was on their drive over that. He explained that there was an accident and the car had thrown off the bridge, and merry go inside

we still moments later before. Tat actually explained what we ve got in reality and in the movie, in very few people, to care about the political decision, Joe Garden and Paul Markham, stripped down through their underwear to jump into the putsch upon to try to rescue her Dont understand that and I want to turn to the whole European. You can help me now to this day. I still want to buy, why do men trying to If a woman would make clear struck down, it seemed like the urgent. They would have you wanting either? I make a phone call, somebody more capable or be just jump right, immense someone like might be a big yeah. It's a question that many people I believe or trying to answer one one arguments might be the idea, of course, the most meat

argument would be let's keep this but We us lead. So, let's solve this. No buts get the other person in the vehicle out safely. We can go home, get warm and and call the insurance folks tomorrow right that would That would be the most immediate assumption. What do you think that? Well, when you into account the roles that all three of these men had the third person there was with them, wasn't he what was his role hallmark yeah? He knew at that needs to those data method. So ok, so these These are men who have powerful positions and know the law so there they, I believe there. Slightly saying on multiple occasions: TED you ve gotta call the cops yes, so my my thought of them stripping down to their underwear, is not

maybe a little bit of self preservation in that they could put their clothes back on sands underwear after jumping in and look as though Nothing had happened if they needed to have that option. That's my only thinking women would not regards at all Oh you, making a movies and evolutionary brought that We learned a lot throughout writing the threats and coming up with a way to best tell the truth, as we knew it and so to this point about what you just said in the script he'll be that the wine from Joe Garden as their stripping down is coming back in wet clothes. Dumping, give us many options or thumb to that effect in the movie come across in the town very deliberately at the New York Times Interview with Donald Trump, and it's just garbled but

open the way I feel like that is the right decision for the movie, because we do know for a fact that they did stripped down, but we really dont know why you did a great job making it the most possible version, at least in my mind, so. Ok, all this is going down, there's much more to do we're about what exactly happens following the incident, but I kind of unwanted leaves of that too, to the person who's going to eventually watch the movie sure so I'd like to jump into while, while this, carrying what else is happening in the United States. World news that kind of exists as a cover for all incident. Well, I don't know about cover well happening, concurrent, it's ok! It's ninety cover it provides a one position in a newspaper right. Well, this other thing that's occurring in the news

another way to put it is that the MAGIC the most relevant thing that could possibly be happening at the time and for me the writer. It was one of the reasons why the story had to be told that emphatically, for the first time was that this is the weekend of the moon. And so what you have is the greatest residents of these John F Kennedy presidential legacy, the greatest achievement of his older brother and possibly the lowest moment for its activity? A senator considering our premises in our understanding of the human being. Was that as the youngest Kennedy, he never expected the spotlight to beyond him In fact, not even Jonathan respected the fat like to be on him. Everyone assume the joke here. The eldest will hear the prodigal son and then

tragically in world WAR two and then that lead to, everyone hoping for John Ability to run for president. Obviously that became president and only after two more drowsy would be that nation. The job and Bobby did suddenly all the hopes and dreams of the committee legacy rap on tat, children and broad, we looked at it like as a sort of shakespearian, further tragedy leading in the events of this weekend. Man, that's what made it. To understand how TAT made some of the wrong decisions. The debate that with them and with this with this confluence of events we we see several things happening right. We we see, as Matt said, the a one story, the net and, as you said, tailor the one one, the high points of J, F K, career

her at the same time as this majesty. So perhaps there wasn't as much media attention on it their otherwise would have been, but investigations did occur in one of the things that we notice in the film is that really fast forward bit way, authorities. Finally do recover compactness body: one person believes that she may have been dead or expired before the accident the argument being that there was not enough water in her lungs for her to have drowned? Was this possibility actually examined in in real life by the investigators oh, I want to make Clear

how old Mary Joe weak position in the car you they long description, within the back of the car, and that has led to a lot confusion about- oh, maybe she but even right near the passenger. Maybe she was asleep in the bag and all that doesn't make any sense outcomes. Razor velvet said Emily petrified under oath that she was this happened or people all that divide, but she left there reason to believe that to be very true. What also very interesting about the way, the tooth position is that her arms were the car that upside down. I should back and arms are clutched into the poor boy again upside down and to prop herself up in her neck.

Craig that away where her mouth is polluted upward and the only person, Da Mary Joe in the car, a man named John corroborate who was a balance here for the fire department, I believe and was the diver that new suit it up and got into the car to excavate her out of the vehicle, and he said that it quote. Look like she was gasping. For a last breath of air, and this is where we get into something really at your thing, which is that I I know they said Kennedy assume that we'll minutes after the accident that she, had to have drowned, but not an unreasonable conclusion for someone to make, but once you start researching that you find out that even before

this accident there, the woman in New Zealand. I believe- and I think the midnight in sixty who survive two hours in a day, similar accidents in an airport it and because someone called they were. Ok get this New Zealand woman out of the car and paper life and that's what John per hour that under oath and when we talk to him personally, that I could have gotten or out of the car and twenty minutes if someone called, but no one called well too so with this in mind, with the questions that came into being there The incident the hours and days following and even the years following we do have some inevitable consequences that we ve mentioned before I didn't, let's exe

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Harry's, dot com code for four four four enjoy. Here's the thing. Saving money with Geico was almost better than playing pick up. Basketball is always that guy who joins your game, he never passes the rock he certainly bricks theories, and completely hack you and then put his hands up and say no foul, no foul with Geico. It's easy to switch and save on car insurance no need to fake an angel sprain because you're absolutely exhausted we can save with Geiger. It's almost better than sports welcome back everyone. Let's begin by quickly discussing the political machine that was standing dry, really behind TAT Ted Kennedy. As all of this is going down, he contacts his father

and his father least according to the film puts him in touch with a whole host of polluted, advisers and lawyers who then begin constructing the narrative of what happened, what their, what the official stance is, what the official story is an ambitious go through just a bit of that before we hit the count of the aftermath. Yeah. That's perfect topic to talk about today that movie came out in better than I as reporting, let em down the New York Times to publish an opinion case by in writing. A new biography about said Kennedy, who inexplicably thinks that this is not something to be included. A me public yeah discussion about that. Guy At the moment, as he in this writers opinion not moved on to the public domain again, I can quite understand that, but is hidden.

The issue with the movie is a theme We had to invent witches The wind tat returns to the mainland. To his hotel He goes to the paper out front and the call Hyaena port where his father a victim and has trouble communicating Lynn, and that explains the father and the theme has occurred and he is incredibly remorse all and unsure of what to do and the one word that his Bob They won't. You speak alibi and the two conjecture Andrew and my heart, but war. It is talking to an emotional truth and at the magic trick,

that we feel is incredibly relevant to TED and here's. What I'm trying to think. We know that the fact that occurred in the ten didn't report it even after he returned to the shower down in and then We also know that yeah, presumably according to thank them for the money about an hour after he returned with a shower down in. He went down to talk to a hotel clerk any at all the time, in all dry. Now, there's nothing visually apparent. Have you been in an accident and the hotel but said that, although something up with nothing all about his appear now. Asking for the time is what you do it's yours trying to create an alibi for yourself in a situation. Where a crime might have been might have occurred, and I do think that ugly

what about the other line? I'll, never be, president that he has suggested that we consider the impact that this would have on its political, we ve, already discussed the millennium agenda the legacy and how much about ways on his shoulders. I don't think that it is at all, except too far to say that his father's opinion of this probably weighed on him and what he might have concluded that this would be a huge. Mark on the Kennedy legacy, and then we know that they did something that looked a lot like crafting an alibi and that other things seem to be. Am. I have no shame in admitting that it is an invention. There are phone records, would imply that called were made from a paper on collect balls, etc. I I don't know, but I

I feel like it- is incredibly relevant to his character and the emotions in going through everything that people I've seen right about as well, specifically with the alibi line, Joe Kennedy had had a massive stroking couldn't really speak and it was actually something the Taylor and I really disgusted Lincoln. We were writing described because obviously we wanted to get a factually correct in

we knew that he had a stroke them do that. He did that speech with impaired and so what we are doing. This finding. A recording of President Johnson calling Joseph Kennedy from the oval office integrity was actually the oval office without behaved well and in this recording you can hear exactly what Joe Candy sound like, which is that he's able to utter actual words, and that he's got the heavy breathing of other line, and you know I just think it important that people know that we did our due diligence and much research as we could like this. If at all possible- and I should better call with President Guidelines- wait, they make you fifty eight. So now I just over a year before these events- and No, you help Gary aided from there even at the time a line in the movie, but ten thousand in the phone call, and that you're still demand

all the employment referring to his father and that's why it was not surprising to us or three pounds a stretch when we read the incredibly. No one saw it by either that we're at higher, or you know, tat arriving with people like former Secretary of Defence, Robert Mcnamara included, John F Kennedy, speechwriter had Sorenson congressmen, lawyers, Burke, Marshall, sergeant, Schreiber, etc. A man of great historical danger all were already convene or helping TED navigate. His way out of this crisis and tat in the movie, so you're still demand with all the imports to his father, and I dont think that no to bar the stretch to suggest that perhaps all Joe was able to build up some strings

Agreed at least on our end, that almost seems the Roman seems without question, or perhaps naive, to assume otherwise wise in as we're as we're. Exploring your collective experience writing this screenplay and bringing this story The large screen and and thus to the public at large we'd like to Ask some questions about Europe experience and what you found afterwards and would like to begin by asking what inspired the two of you to go so far into this research to pursue this story above other so because you have mentioned before that there was maybe some controversy about the cinematic look at it, but you connect

dinner, views are actually walked the row you delved into court records. What what was the impetus for you to pursue this by the obstacles that may have been put up in your path. Now one word a very long but still quotable answer danger- and I are lifelong democrat- incredibly huge band- of the work TAT Kennedy senator, especially after me the lady, it was actually at one of his most historic moment when we endorse then Senator Barack Obama over Hillary Clinton, immature will a primary in what was unexpected and by many to be a game changing moment in

that election cycle and we were and still are, incredibly huge bands of morocco- I, really miss that man and the oval office and- when we were watching real time with no more that night. Marwood like TAT, changing residential history again, you would have been president when night came suddenly through, had it not been for Chappaquiddick an answer and I never heard of it before We don't even know how to spell it. When we went to the Google machine that try to type it in and figure out what bill was talking about, and for us because story. While under tall and too, generation younger than my parents, I think completely obscure That was the reason why we were dying to tell the story

and it became clear quickly. Was an important story and one that a lot of rumour conspiracy theory had got a lot of traction, the other, Wikipedia littered with conspiracy. For that The reason why we wanted to get to the truth as best we could find it also That is, a lawyer Andrew, would very inspired like the committee, to honour his father legacy Victor the back every goodbye So what were some of the as yet said? The film Chappaquiddick has only recently been released. In theatres. What were some of the things you ran into that might be considered obstacles, and course your research and what have the.

Reactions been, like so far as as the film has been screen during countered by both. Film critics Randall S, but then also by people who have some sort of personal or professional relationship with the wood. Individuals. In the story, I want say something: birth but found like marketing by the Gaza Strip I have been overwhelmed by the positive reaction from audiences and dome critics alike about that I knew that we were by the time we were made movie. I finally understood that we were dealing with what was a third rail in political history, and it's like the original source of what about, in our modern political history m.

For me. I expected the reactions to sadly be divided on partisan line, but in reality, I have been so yo eager and I did the reviews and keep his eyes that everyone feels incredibly passionate about how the story is partly. And all, and even the people that are critical of the movie. I think acknowledge that listen did and it's something that deserves re examination couldn't agree more watching this film. My reaction to it specifically watching their political machine happen, because is something that I had imagined. After just during about the story, those scenes, I imagine them in my head and you captured them almost

well the the unnerving feeling that if a powerful person gets in trouble, there is this institution they can come through and basically save you You know somewhat by changing detail somewhat, just by controlling the situation and just by making the optics correct for what you need. I want to jump to just what I will say this. There was a press conference, a televised. While it was more of a toll statement that Tete, a tete Kennedy gave no questions, no questions. Yeah, do you can have anybody there? Their allotted stipulations about it. It was just TAT Kennedy speaking to the camera, and I was on July, twenty fifth nineteen sixty nine and in the film he is having a just. Quick discussion with Joe Garden and I'm just going

feed this line and see. If you can give me the one that comes right after it, Moses had a temper Peter betrayed Jesus. I have Chappaquiddick Moses Jumper, but he didn't leave a girl at the bottom, the red thing. Ah dude talk about some screen earning their. Guys. I now that hit homelike perfectly. You just an awesome line, and it made it really encapsulate everything that you had seen inexperienced up until that moment. Because jobs character play by at Helms, really is kind of the the human side. Story. At least it feels that way, the the conscience that exists within this worry, and I really pre that you brought that in in that that moment of at the moment where TED was trying to reach greatness, to be a Kennedy and

he had the courage to make a decision there about whether he wanted to move forward as a politician or kind of let it go. And I just I don't I'm really precisely what you did there I don't really have a question about that. So much is not really question it's just. I appreciate it You know I certainly myself about moments, where grids barley, obligate, come. I appreciate the question on questions like through your point I do want to say or the list throughout their. If you gave a movie, they seem like you, referring to Joe then end up doing something immediately afterwards, the reading of the alibi. They meant that I actually want boiled here, but I do want to say that unbelievable That is exactly one hundred percent true and the job.

I did in fact supper the ambiguity that we show him suffering well and If you want to learn what we are referring to, the best way to do it is to check out the film Chappaquiddick in theatres, near you yeah, recording. This is preparing today in theatres, and we want to think you, Taylor and you Andrew so much for coming on the show with us and exploring this all too often neglected chapter in american history and invokes as you're thinking about the episode today you have to. Ask yourself. Inevitably how would the course of history have changed, I had this incident not occurred or had it been processed differently,

bye, bye Kennedy by the media at large yeah. You cheated up perfect By saying how would it three have been different all day, is that now, after researching for the bellman, hopefully burn your audience after seeing the film The movie area, with a sort of yeah jaywalking man on the street interview where people are asked what they thought of this fellow by statement and more pointedly. Would they still vote for him and with the YO joy of Monday morning, quarter backing and knowing all the great things that he didn't senator and maybe he might have changed presidential election to three second time in two thousand and eight with Brok Obama. For me, one of the driving, quite The morning to tell the story was: was it worth it? Wise

I tell going on to be senator for so many more years becoming the line of the Senate and driving through policies with a one hundred percent agree with was that the right choice and for me the only If I ever came up with, was that the truth has no political party, and that was relating to nine, and that is especially true today in two thousand I e eighteen, the mid term they're coming up twenty and I would love another red emanation of the truth or executive branch thou. That's up my boys I had to make that is unfair ass. The point in very well said the truth. As no allegiance other than to the facts,

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